Is Mustafizur Rahman more talented than Mohammad Amir was?

[imteaz]

Correction!

Except Bangla fans, no one think he is great bowler, lol OVERATED!

 

[rhony]

Fizz should stop playing test in order to prolong his career. Besides, nobody cares about test cricket in Bangladesh. Good to see that u aren't one of those who thinks test cricket is the ultimate form of cricket.

Some sane words finally on this thread. He should stop playing tests, stop bowling in the first 10 overs in LOIs as his confidence will be dented with the new ball. He should only bowl on slow wickets at death in LOIs.

 

[Executioner]

I don't understand why some Pakistani posters want Mustafiz to fail. Many love him, but if he excels whose loss it?

In an era where cricket needs talented youngsters a good number of posters here are praying that Mustafiz gets figured out/destroyed. Nope, they are not "expecting" mustafiz to become mediocre all of a sudden, they are actually "hoping"

 

[street cricketer]

I don't understand why some Pakistani posters want Mustafiz to fail. Many love him, but if he excels whose loss it?

In an era where cricket needs talented youngsters a good number of posters here are praying that Mustafiz gets figured out/destroyed. Nope, they are not "expecting" mustafiz to become mediocre all of a sudden, they are actually "hoping"

Amir and Mustafizur are this era's Sachin and Lara of bowling

So naturally there'll be rivalry

 

[Executioner]

Amir and Mustafizur are this era's Sachin and Lara of bowling

So naturally there'll be rivalry

Yeah but people feel that Mustafiz's performance are all fluke.

 

[carrom_ball]

Yeah but people feel that Mustafiz's performance are all fluke.

Which performance? People don't really care about t20 performance, if he produces great spells in test cricket then people might notice, being best in t20 isn't a big deal

 

[Bouncer]

Actually, he had natural swing & in those matches (UAE) & 1st IPL, he was indeed making the white ball talk. In his 1st 25/26 ODI, his career average was around 25/26, sometimes around 2008-09, which was great as most of his wickets were among top 5. His T20 bowling stats are 27/7.2 after 50 matches & after struggling in last few years which still isn't that bad.

Did they use SG balls in first edition of PSL? Maybe that helped with extra swing that you noticed. I too followed first season of IPL but IMO his wickets were more result of uniqueness of his action (IPL 1 happened within 6 month of ST's start of career) and not due to his swing or exceptional LnL.

Here is what I said about Sohail 3 days after he started playing international cricket.

Sohail started playing Int cricket on 14th Sep 2007,someone asked for my opinion on sohail and his initial success, 3 days after his first game and here is what I said about him and I believe my assessment was correct

He is being successful because he keeps the batsmen surprised with delivering the ball of wrong foot.
Speed: basically 80-84 MPH, not bad can always get better.

LnL: Slightly outside Right handed's off stump, angles across batsmen, length is quite correct for new bowler, slightly short i think but batsmen have not be able to capitalize on (slightly)shortness of bowling coz right now they are trying to figure out his action too much....and are preoccupied with that....

Variety: Not much from what i saw, doonoo if he uses Slow ball or changes length very often....when he went around the wicket in game against SL...surprised batsmen a bit but i think will be lollypop bowler from around the wicket for batsmen as soon as they get over his action...and wait for him to pitch the ball up in attempt to get batsmen out as that will be the only way for him to geta wicket as by bowling around the wicket, with his action, it will be very hard(nearly impossible) for him to get the ball to move across the batsmen.

What he needs: needs to develop in-Cutter like Pathan and Vaas....obviously needs to learn reverse swing, but with his action, i dont see him being able to generate reverse........BUT on bright side, if he does get any amount of reverse...that will be lethal....even more than Shoaib akhter's...coz his action is just way too strange one to expect reverse from.

If he helps Pak to T20, i ll be glad....but do not expect this guy in Pak, reversing the ball, gaining pace or developing in cutters like wasim or even Irfan...thats just the reality but i will be glad if he proves me wrong​

 

[Prince_]

Which performance? People don't really care about t20 performance, if he produces great spells in test cricket then people might notice, being best in t20 isn't a big deal

Nah, nobody cares about bogus test cricket. T20 and odi are the only true formats of cricket. Test cricket has become outdated and boring.

 

[Hawkeye]

Yeah but people feel that Mustafiz's performance are all fluke.

Which performance? People don't really care about t20 performance, if he produces great spells in test cricket then people might notice, being best in t20 isn't a big deal

carrom is right. If he runs through a lineup in England or Australia, he'll be taken seriously. Or even India.

Talking about Tests against major nations.

Otherwise, he can become the next Malinga in terms of being T20/LOI specialist. Naturally people are a bit critical of the hype he's getting from LOIs, where's definitely good.

 

[Syed1]

He is a good bowler, but BD fans are hyping him to the moon and are only setting themselves for failure with this much expectation.

Soon his novelty will wear off and teams would have analysed how he bowls, that is when we will know whether Mustafizur is just a good bowler or worthy of standing alongside the great bowlers of history.

 

[Hawkeye]

You said he is a one trick lulloo. What makes you think he is a one trick pony. Some of his wickets are conventional deliveries and he doesn't bowl his cutters as often as you think.

That itself shows that inside some don't think he can perform. Also show me where we compared him to steyn or Marshal. The comparison where with starc or amir. Current bowlers only

That too is OTT, considering they're the two premier Test class bowlers of this generation.

Let Mustafiz play in Eng/Aus/SA/India against major Test nations in 5 day cricket.

 

[rhony]

You said he is a one trick lulloo. What makes you think he is a one trick pony. Some of his wickets are conventional deliveries and he doesn't bowl his cutters as often as you think.

That itself shows that inside some don't think he can perform. Also show me where we compared him to steyn or Marshal. The comparison where with starc or amir. Current bowlers only

The reason why he is even discussed is because of the cutters. He can pick wickets on other deliveries but so do a lot of bowlers. He's famous for the cutter and rightly so. He deceived a lot of batsmen initially and once the batsmen have started reading them, he doesn't have a back up more often than not.

A left armer's biggest weapon is the incoming delivery to RHB. I've not seen him bowl that delivery consistently. His cutter, stock ball are the ones that move away from them and that's what caused the damage initially. Now that the batsmen have adapted and started playing him to the 3rd man area instead of covers, he is less effective without the incoming delivery. I haven't seen him swing the ball much even on a green pitch. He is frail and injury prone.

Look at the posts of other BD fans on this forum. According to some, he's already the best in LOIs ever!!! He is a decent death bowler and can pick wickets when the batsmen are going after him. That's no shame. There is a reason why Bravo gets paid so much money every year. These are the reasons why he should not be compared to Amir or Starc. If he is injury free and works hard on other variations, he can be the next Malinga or Bravo. I have no doubts about that.

 

[Executioner]

Smashed? He has had 3 midfielding in his spell, check the match again.

How can a bowler have good figures if your fielders just let the ball go through them?

He did come back well in the next over giving 4 runs courtesy of no misfields

 

[Belawal2014]

Amir > The Fizz. That is All.

 

[160KPH]

Smashed? He has had 3 midfielding in his spell, check the match again.

How can a bowler have good figures if your fielders just let the ball go through them?

He did come back well in the next over giving 4 runs courtesy of no misfields

Because Amir totally has the advantage of good fieldsmen.

Anyway, Fizz is great but overhyped because of a good start.

 

[Prince_]

He is a good bowler, but BD fans are hyping him to the moon and are only setting themselves for failure with this much expectation.

Soon his novelty will wear off and teams would have analysed how he bowls, that is when we will know whether Mustafizur is just a good bowler or worthy of standing alongside the great bowlers of history.

No body is over hyping him. He deserves all the recognition that he's currently getting from all the former and present cricketers.

Steyn is already finished in odis. Right now there isn't a single bowler in the world who's as good as fizz in limited overs cricket.

 

[Syed1]

So the fizz bowled well in the death and got toyed with in his opening overs seeing a pattern here. Maybe the fizz's competition is not with Amir but with Umar Gul

 

[160KPH]

No body is over hyping him. He deserves all the recognition that he's currently getting from all the former and present cricketers.

Steyn is already finished in odis. Right now there isn't a single bowler in the world who's as good as fizz in limited overs cricket.

Starc says hello.

 

[carrom_ball]

Smashed? He has had 3 midfielding in his spell, check the match again.

How can a bowler have good figures if your fielders just let the ball go through them?

He did come back well in the next over giving 4 runs courtesy of no misfields

Bhuvneshwar kumar played the same match with the same fielders, may be the Indian fielders were conspiring against the fizz

 

[Executioner]

Bhuvneshwar kumar played the same match with the same fielders, may be the Indian fielders were conspiring against the fizz

Misfields happen in cricket. Part of the game

 

[Dios]

Right now there is no comparison. Mustafiz is the far superior LOI bowler. Has Amir taken a 5fer since resuming international cricket? Has he even taken a 4fer? Mustafiz has four 5fers in a year. When Amir can take one maybe we can start this conversation again.

I don't know why people are talking about Tests. Mustafiz has barely even begun his Test career and in the one inning he did bowl he owned players like de Kock and Amla. Amir is yet to play a Test.

 

[rhony]

So the fizz bowled well in the death and got toyed with in his opening overs seeing a pattern here. Maybe the fizz's competition is not with Amir but with Umar Gul

Don't agree. Gul was out of this world at death during his peak. I will repeat. Bravo has found a successor in Fizz.

 

[Messiah]

Watch all these bangla fans hyping him up are going to be the ones throwing stones at his house once his amazing form comes to an end. Worst fans in the whole world in any sport by far

 

[Invincible_Tigers]

The Fizz was bowling in great pace today, hardly tried the cutter due to the pitch conditions and bowled in full venom, clocked 143 thrice and was mostly bowling 140+. Only gave away 10 runs in his last 2 overs but 4 misfielding, off which 3 of them went for fours, spoiled his figures a lot!

 

[Dios]

So every time Mustafiz has a below average performance in a T20 match (where bowlers are expected to go for runs) this thread will be bumped, haters will talk **** and Amir will become magically better without actually doing anything?

Mustafiz looked sharp today and bowled with good pace (consistently over 140) which was good to see. After going for runs in his first over he quickly realised that this isn't a pitch for cutters and switched to seam-up deliveries and increased his pace which was smart. He came back strongly at the death. His figures would have been better had it not been for some misfields. He didn't create a lot of wicket-taking opportunities but I am confident that if he plays a good amount of matches there'll be at least a couple of occasions where he'll run through the opposition batting line-up. There might also be one or two instances where he gets hammered but that's just modern-day cricket. No bowler is immune to it not even King Amir.

 

[160KPH]

So every time Mustafiz has a below average performance in a T20 match (where bowlers are expected to go for runs) this thread will be bumped, haters will talk **** and Amir will become magically better without actually doing anything?

You realize that after Amir had only two bad matches (in T20 where bowlers are expected to go for runs*) he was ridiculed like crazy by Bangladeshi and Pakistani posters alike?

Had an incredible series in New Zealand and then two matches where he

-looked sharp
-bowled with good pace (consistently over 140) which was good to see
-his figures would have been better had it not been for some misfields.
-he did create wicket-taking opportunities

Also you don't treat Amir the same way. He had one or two instances where he got hammered and as you say, that's just modern-day cricket.

 

[rhony]

So every time Mustafiz has a below average performance in a T20 match (where bowlers are expected to go for runs) this thread will be bumped, haters will talk **** and Amir will become magically better without actually doing anything?

Mustafiz looked sharp today and bowled with good pace (consistently over 140) which was good to see. After going for runs in his first over he quickly realised that this isn't a pitch for cutters and switched to seam-up deliveries and increased his pace which was smart. He came back strongly at the death. His figures would have been better had it not been for some misfields. He didn't create a lot of wicket-taking opportunities but I am confident that if he plays a good amount of matches there'll be at least a couple of occasions where he'll run through the opposition batting line-up. There might also be one or two instances where he gets hammered but that's just modern-day cricket. No bowler is immune to it not even King Amir.

Except that the seam wasn't up. He was bowling cross seamed phaasht balls

 

[Syed1]

So every time Mustafiz has a below average performance in a T20 match (where bowlers are expected to go for runs) this thread will be bumped, haters will talk **** and Amir will become magically better without actually doing anything?

Mustafiz looked sharp today and bowled with good pace (consistently over 140) which was good to see. After going for runs in his first over he quickly realised that this isn't a pitch for cutters and switched to seam-up deliveries and increased his pace which was smart. He came back strongly at the death. His figures would have been better had it not been for some misfields. He didn't create a lot of wicket-taking opportunities but I am confident that if he plays a good amount of matches there'll be at least a couple of occasions where he'll run through the opposition batting line-up. There might also be one or two instances where he gets hammered but that's just modern-day cricket. No bowler is immune to it not even King Amir.

But it ok for BD fans to bring up Amir's last two matches versus NZ and Aus?

Lol atleast keep the criteria the same for judging two bowlers that are being compared.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Nah, nobody cares about bogus test cricket. T20 and odi are the only true formats of cricket. Test cricket has become outdated and boring.

............
Amir can get 600 test wickets I don't care, I don't watch test cricket uncle, I have a life and a job. He needs to prove his worth in IT20s.

I hope Musta retires from Test cricket, Test cricket will destroy his career....

He's a very talented bowler but you don't have to run down Test cricket to big him up. But if you do deride Test cricket you're merely spittiing at the sky, it'll fall back on you ultimately.

The fact is that unless he excels in Tests he will struggle to get the respect he would have otherwise- respect that he would surely have got had he played for a stronger Test team. Unfortunately Bangladesh's current challenges in Test cricket means that he will probably will not get the support he needs.

 

[#GreenRoars]

In T20Is atm Fizz > Every fast bowler (In Asia)

But yet to find in ODIs, Test in away conditions.

 

[HitWicket]

So every time Mustafiz has a below average performance in a T20 match (where bowlers are expected to go for runs) this thread will be bumped, haters will talk **** and Amir will become magically better without actually doing anything?

Mustafiz looked sharp today and bowled with good pace (consistently over 140) which was good to see. After going for runs in his first over he quickly realised that this isn't a pitch for cutters and switched to seam-up deliveries and increased his pace which was smart. He came back strongly at the death. His figures would have been better had it not been for some misfields. He didn't create a lot of wicket-taking opportunities but I am confident that if he plays a good amount of matches there'll be at least a couple of occasions where he'll run through the opposition batting line-up. There might also be one or two instances where he gets hammered but that's just modern-day cricket. No bowler is immune to it not even King Amir.

Wouldn't exactly call 25% of his deliveries as 'consistently'.

 

[Imran Hasan]

I thought Mustafizur bowled well tonight considering the fact there was grass in the pitch and his cutters were not lethal but he consistently bowled good length and full length ball and also his delivery clocked 143kph.

 

[ExtraCoverDrive]

For all the hype surrounding Amir , he had a very average record in Test matches inspite of bowling outside the SC in the most bowling friendly conditions.

Now if he turns out to be a flop bowler after his return , his ******* would blame his absence from Competitive Cricket for 5 years as the reason behind his decline.

Anyone who saw Amir bowl in England can tell you that Amir outbowled James Anderson in english conditions in tests. Let that sink in for a bit.

 

[rhony]

I thought Mustafizur bowled well tonight considering the fact there was grass in the pitch and his cutters were not lethal but he consistently bowled good length and full length ball and also his delivery clocked 143kph.

Every fast bowler today swung the ball except for Mustafizur. He bowled pace expecting his cutters wouldn't grip but he was found out again. His wrist position is weird when he tries to bowl seam up.

 

[Imran Hasan]

Every fast bowler today swung the ball except for Mustafizur. He bowled pace expecting his cutters wouldn't grip but he was found out again. His wrist position is weird when he tries to bowl seam up.

Give him some time and he will learn the capacity of swing too(He needs Akram or Waqar for that). Haters said earlier Mustafizur could not bowl pacy delivery but tonight his delivery was the fastest among all the bowlers. He is just 20 years of age and I am sure If he can maintain his fitness he will become more pacy.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

He's a very talented bowler but you don't have to run down Test cricket to big him up. But if you do deride Test cricket you're merely spittiing at the sky, it'll fall back on you ultimately.

The fact is that unless he excels in Tests he will struggle to get the respect he would have otherwise- respect that he would surely have got had he played for a stronger Test team. Unfortunately Bangladesh's current challenges in Test cricket means that he will probably will not get the support he needs.

Realistically speaking, when you work from 9 - 6, do you have time to watch Test cricket. I don't, neither do I enjoy Test cricket, from the boring commentary, to spectators falling asleep, bowlers getting injured, cricketers suffering from depression, Test cricket isn't worth it. Batsmen can bat for days and score 300 and 400, what's the fun in that? 5 days is a bit too long, 5 test match series, 4 test match series, you see the same players for 25 days, how painful can this get. Just because it was invented ages ago doesn't mean we need to obey and have an opinion 'Test cricket is the ultimate form'

Test cricket will die out, it's only big in Oz and England.

 

[Belawal2014]

Realistically speaking, when you work from 9 - 6, do you have time to watch Test cricket. I don't, neither do I enjoy Test cricket, from the boring commentary, to spectators falling asleep, bowlers getting injured, cricketers suffering from depression, Test cricket isn't worth it. Batsmen can bat for days and score 300 and 400, what's the fun in that? 5 days is a bit too long, 5 test match series, 4 test match series, you see the same players for 25 days, how painful can this get. Just because it was invented ages ago doesn't mean we need to obey and have an opinion 'Test cricket is the ultimate form'

Test cricket will die out, it's only big in Oz and England.

Just because BD sucks at it doesn't mean TESTS suck.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Just because BD sucks at it doesn't mean TESTS suck.

Read my earlier posts, BD sucks even I mentioned it, BD doesn't deserve to play Test cricket. I personally don't have time for it, love my life. You enjoy watching men in whites playing for 5 days with your lemonade. Too much free time aye?

 

[devilsadvocate]

Rahman was hit around the park by an 18 year old shezad. Rahman is just an over rated slow bowl bowler.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Rahman was hit around the park by an 18 year old shezad. Rahman is just an over rated slow bowl bowler.

Rahman just started his career, you are talking as if Rahman is a 40 year old uncle Rahman himself is 20

 

[Indian_Supporter]

Rahman just started his career, you are talking as if Rahman is a 40 year old uncle Rahman himself is 20

is not 40 year old. He is forever young...atleast in heart

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[Belawal2014]

Read my earlier posts, BD sucks even I mentioned it, BD doesn't deserve to play Test cricket. I personally don't have time for it, love my life. You enjoy watching men in whites playing for 5 days with your lemonade. Too much free time aye?

You make time for the things you love. Besides, you're out of your mind if you think ANYONE sits through all 8 hrs without taking a SINGLE break or completing a SINGLE other task.

Personally, I watch it in short bursts, but let me tell you, the ones that don't end in boring draws are far more exciting than T20s and ODIs imho.

P.S I personally don't have time to read your earlier posts, and I prefer an Iced Cap to a lemonade. :ahmed

 

[sshakir411]

Mustafiz is a one dimensional bowler...other than cutters he has nothing else to fall back on.

 

[BD-fan]

The Fizz was bowling in great pace today, hardly tried the cutter due to the pitch conditions and bowled in full venom, clocked 143 thrice and was mostly bowling 140+. Only gave away 10 runs in his last 2 overs but 4 misfielding, off which 3 of them went for fours, spoiled his figures a lot!

He can't bowl and field all at the same time.

5.2 Mustafizur Rahman to Rayudu, FOUR, loose fielding from Bipul. A bit too straight from Mustafizur and Rayudu clips it off his hips, Bipul runs across from short fine leg and puts in a dive, but his feet gets stuck in the surface and he lets it go through

14.2 Mustafizur Rahman to Rayudu, FOUR, four more. Runs leaking. Another sweetly-timed straight drive from Rayudu, Warner runs across but fumbles and lets it go through. Not easy but Warner will be disappointed to have let that go through

14.6 Mustafizur Rahman to KH Pandya, FOUR, sloppy from Ashish Reddy. Full outside off, quick delivery and Pandya drills a drive to wide mid-off where Ashish gets around, but dives over the ball. Four more as momentum is swinging wildly again

Those are the only FOURS he conceded.

 

[Syed1]

^Easy to blame the fielding when all three of those deliveries were hit-me balls and the batsmen "sweetly timed" them

 

[rhony]

^Easy to blame the fielding when all three of those deliveries were hit-me balls and the batsmen "sweetly timed" them

That was my point as well. The kid was confused on that pitch. He saw Bhuvi and even Sran bowling well on that pacer friendly deck and wanted to bowl fast. He couldn't land the ball on the seam even once. He needs a slow pitch and happy go lucky sloggers to pick wickets. BD fans quickly defend his failures by showing his age and how he'll learn in the future. The same fans also claim that he's one of the best ever when he picks up a wicket.

 

[BD-fan]

^Easy to blame the fielding when all three of those deliveries were hit-me balls and the batsmen "sweetly timed" them

The one with Bipul should have been stopped. Same with Warner's who prides himself on fielding. Even "hit me" balls can get you a wicket. At least as a fan I have an excuse for him.

You should know me by now on which side of the fence I am on this. I am not a biased fan unlike many on both sides. FYI, All of my posts favors Amir because it is a personal preference. 90 miles swinging Yorkers are not teachable. Nor can it be attained through training for 99% of bowlers. Fizz's flex wrist is also not normal. Thus the deception of the cutter and speed.

I'd compare Fizz with Vettori (NZ). They both work hard on their deliveries and variations. Vettori could bowl in the same spot with the same action in two different speed.

 

[10sion]

David Warner drew a lofty comparison between the Fizz and one of the best exponents of the white ball in recent times, Australia’s spearhead Mitchell Starc. "The ideal circumstance with Fuzzie (Mustafizur) is you bowl him one in the first six and keep three at the end. He's a very, very good death bowler. That's his art. I can bank on it. It's almost like Mitchell Starc. With the new ball, he's very dangerous. And then at the end, it's very hard to score (off him)," reports Cricbuzz.

A long way to go for Fizz but good players saying good things about him....

 

[sully3]

Comparing fizz with amir is ott ) ). Amir fans never fail to amaze me.

What has amir done in his career to get such recognition. Nothing. He's one of the most overhyped bowler in the history of the cricket.

Apart from 2 series in England he got hammered in every other places against every single opposition lol.

Right now fizz is way better than him. Amir need to renovate himself and learn how to bowl in less bowling friendly pitches if he really wants to compete with fizz. Otherwise he has absolutely no chance against fizz. yk

Amir was the youngest bowler in Test cricket to get to 50 wickets before the ban.

So your whole comment is a farce

 

[sully3]

BD fans are something else


The mighty Umar Gul was head and shoulders above any fast bowler in T20's for 5 years straight, doesn't mean he was ever a good Test or ODI Bowler. Being a good t20 bowler means nothing in todays day and age other than an IPL contract.

Till he starts winning BD Test matches you can not call Mustafizur a world class bowler. Just like Narine he is just a good t20 bowler, and they fall from grace the fastest

 

[sully3]

Mustafiz is a one dimensional bowler...other than cutters he has nothing else to fall back on.

Yup Off cuters are only really a dangerous bowl in T20's and at the death in Odi's so he needs to bring more to the table to be called a world class bowler.

 

[sully3]

Comparing fizz with amir is ott ) ). Amir fans never fail to amaze me.

What has amir done in his career to get such recognition. Nothing. He's one of the most overhyped bowler in the history of the cricket.

Apart from 2 series in England he got hammered in every other places against every single opposition lol.

Right now fizz is way better than him. Amir need to renovate himself and learn how to bowl in less bowling friendly pitches if he really wants to compete with fizz. Otherwise he has absolutely no chance against fizz. yk

And just to make you look ever more silly

Do you remember Amir's debut? A 17 year old Amir spare heading the fast bowling won Pakistan the world cup in 2009. You tube his spells in the tournament and educate yourself !

And now my question to you is what has Mustafizur done in his career ?

Youngest fast bowler to 50 wickets in Test cricket and winning your country a world cup at the age of 17 is some achievement, and anyone with half a brain would say Amir has achieved more in his career then Mustafizur has so far.

Next time someone says Mustaffizur is better than Amir, All amir has to do is show them his world cup medal and they will shut up.

 

[Syed1]

And just to make you look ever more silly

Do you remember Amir's debut? A 17 year old Amir spare heading the fast bowling won Pakistan the world cup in 2009. You tube his spells in the tournament and educate yourself !

And now my question to you is what has Mustafizur done in his career ?

Youngest fast bowler to 50 wickets in Test cricket and winning your country a world cup at the age of 17 is some achievement, and anyone with half a brain would say Amir has achieved more in his career then Mustafizur has so far.

Next time someone says Mustaffizur is better than Amir, All amir has to do is show them his world cup medal and they will shut up.

Don't be bothered with him, he said nobody watches Test cricket so performances in that format do not matter. Only performances in T20 matter and in ODIs to a lesser extent.

 

[Shutdown Corner]

And just to make you look ever more silly

Do you remember Amir's debut? A 17 year old Amir spare heading the fast bowling won Pakistan the world cup in 2009. You tube his spells in the tournament and educate yourself !

And now my question to you is what has Mustafizur done in his career ?

Youngest fast bowler to 50 wickets in Test cricket and winning your country a world cup at the age of 17 is some achievement, and anyone with half a brain would say Amir has achieved more in his career then Mustafizur has so far.

Next time someone says Mustaffizur is better than Amir, All amir has to do is show them his world cup medal and they will shut up.

Pak won despite Amir's mediocre performance. Nice try tho.

 

[JibranAnsari]

At this stage mustafiz is slightly better because of his varieties in loi cricket , but amir has a lot of ability and every trick in his bag.

We will have a much better picture one year from now. Mustafiz will have played some test cricket as well during this period.

 

[kiriket]

I would say 70% neutral vote will go to Mustafiz, and only 30% will vote to Amir.
Amir has shown all his ability, but Mustafiz definitely has not shown what all he is capable to. in next 2/3 years we will see more weapons from him.

Amir has to improve to at least 1 level up. then we can compare him with Starc/Mustafiz.

 

[*syed59*]

Mustafizur lacks stamina that Aamir naturally has.

Plus he looks more fit for T20 hit and miss cricket. His first test will clear the picture

 

[JibranAnsari]

Mustafizur lacks stamina that Aamir naturally has.

Plus he looks more fit for T20 hit and miss cricket. His first test will clear the picture

Whose first test?

Mustafiz has played two test matches , has 4 wickets.

 

[*syed59*]

Whose first test?

Mustafiz has played two test matches , has 4 wickets.

yea just saw them.. basically he has bowled a good quota of overs just one innings in 2 tests and got big names out. Interesting.
I think only fitness issues might make a difference,imo.

 

[Dios]

David Warner drew a lofty comparison between the Fizz and one of the best exponents of the white ball in recent times, Australia’s spearhead Mitchell Starc. "The ideal circumstance with Fuzzie (Mustafizur) is you bowl him one in the first six and keep three at the end. He's a very, very good death bowler. That's his art. I can bank on it. It's almost like Mitchell Starc. With the new ball, he's very dangerous. And then at the end, it's very hard to score (off him)," reports Cricbuzz.

A long way to go for Fizz but good players saying good things about him....

If Warner said something like this about Amir there'd be a ten page thread right now lol. Syed1 would be losing his mind and bringing it up every opportunity he gets.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

David Warner drew a lofty comparison between the Fizz and one of the best exponents of the white ball in recent times, Australia’s spearhead Mitchell Starc. "The ideal circumstance with Fuzzie (Mustafizur) is you bowl him one in the first six and keep three at the end. He's a very, very good death bowler. That's his art. I can bank on it. It's almost like Mitchell Starc. With the new ball, he's very dangerous. And then at the end, it's very hard to score (off him)," reports Cricbuzz.

A long way to go for Fizz but good players saying good things about him....

Why are you posting this about Fizz here, every Pakistani poster has shown hatred towards our bowler. They just can't accept that Fizz has outdone Amir in the recent T20 tournament.

 

[Syed1]

Pak won despite Amir's mediocre performance. Nice try tho.

7 matches - 6 wickets - 29 average - 7.3 economy

For a 17 year old debutante those are far from mediocre numbers. Also got the wicket of the man of the tournament Dilshan in the final.

 

[Abdullah]

Fizz is a better death bowler (maybe only for now until he gets worked out)- that is it.

OVerall I would rather have amir. Every time

 

[#GreenRoars]

Why are you posting this about Fizz here, every Pakistani poster has shown hatred towards our bowler. They just can't accept that Fizz has outdone Amir in the recent T20 tournament.

Haha why so serious barry bhayya? There is no doubt that Fizzu is better bowler than Amir in LOIs at Asia wickets. Can't say any thing about Test and can't say anything about away conditions. Only time will tell.

But this is a fact that Fizzu got more varieties than Amir.

 

[Syed1]

Why are you posting this about Fizz here, every Pakistani poster has shown hatred towards our bowler. They just can't accept that Fizz has outdone Amir in the recent T20 tournament.

Nobody is showing hate towards Mustafizur. PP'ers are just perturbed that folks like you and Prince_ are putting down Amir just to big up your bowler. Amir and Mustafizur can both be good or bad and it has no bearing on the other bowler. Each's success is not linked to the other.

There is a reason why everybody wants BD to lose, not because of the team or the players but because of their fans who claim they are the best Asia after winning a couple of series at home after decades of losing left, right and center.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Nobody is showing hate towards Mustafizur. PP'ers are just perturbed that folks like you and Prince_ are putting down Amir just to big up your bowler. Amir and Mustafizur can both be good or bad and it has no bearing on the other bowler. Each's success is not linked to the other.

There is a reason why everybody wants BD to lose, not because of the team or the players but because of their fans who claim they are the best Asia after winning a couple of series at home after decades of losing left, right and center.

Chor day yar inhay in kay hal per...Cannot simply change minnow insecurities within the blink of an eye.

 

[Prince_]

Amir was the youngest bowler in Test cricket to get to 50 wickets before the ban.

So your whole comment is a farce

Is that supposed to be considered as something impressive? Should i be impressed because he got 50 wickets at an average of 30.

I really didn't know 30 is the standard average of a world class bowler)

Do u know who's the youngest player to score a test hundred ? Don't even bother searching because it doesn't matter.

What matters is how many matches Amir took to get those wickets. I think u r smart enough to not take the age of cricketers seriously

 

[Prince_]

And just to make you look ever more silly

Do you remember Amir's debut? A 17 year old Amir spare heading the fast bowling won Pakistan the world cup in 2009. You tube his spells in the tournament and educate yourself !

And now my question to you is what has Mustafizur done in his career ?

Youngest fast bowler to 50 wickets in Test cricket and winning your country a world cup at the age of 17 is some achievement, and anyone with half a brain would say Amir has achieved more in his career then Mustafizur has so far.

Next time someone says Mustaffizur is better than Amir, All amir has to do is show them his world cup medal and they will shut up.

I haven't seen such a ridiculous logic in my entire life. Pls stop!! U r making yourself look like a complete fool here.

So, according to ur newly invented logic next time if someone declares that fizz is better than amir, then amir will just have to show his world cup medal to shut them up ), oh man this is gold.


If above statement is true then obviously Raina and Gambhir both of them are better than ABD. Right? After all if someone questions their superiority then they will just show their world cup medal.


ENOUGH OF THIS NONSENSE, TIME FOR SOME REAL STATS

Amir in odis

Mat: 17
WKT: 30
Best: 4/28
Ave: 22.23
Eco: 4.48
SR: 29.7!!!


Fizz in odis

Mat: 9
Wkt: 26
Best: 6/43
Ave: 12.34
Eco: 4.26
SR: 17.3


ENJOY

 

[Bohemian]

Why are you posting this about Fizz here, every Pakistani poster has shown hatred towards our bowler. They just can't accept that Fizz has outdone Amir in the recent T20 tournament.

It took you so many years to figure out that Pakistanis hate us???

 

[ZaynM]

I haven't seen such a ridiculous logic in my entire life. Pls stop!! U r making yourself look like a complete fool here.

So, according to ur newly invented logic next time if someone declares that fizz is better than amir, then amir will just have to show his world cup medal to shut them up ), oh man this is gold.


If above statement is true then obviously Raina and Gambhir both of them are better than ABD. Right? After all if someone questions their superiority then they will just show their world cup medal.


ENOUGH OF THIS NONSENSE, TIME FOR SOME REAL STATS

Amir in odis

Mat: 17
WKT: 30
Best: 4/28
Ave: 22.23
Eco: 4.48
SR: 29.7!!!


Fizz in odis

Mat: 9
Wkt: 26
Best: 6/43
Ave: 12.34
Eco: 4.26
SR: 17.3


ENJOY

LOL. Mustafa is currently better than Amir without doubt in LOIs. However, both are quality bowlers. Fans need to take it easy.

 

[sully3]

I haven't seen such a ridiculous logic in my entire life. Pls stop!! U r making yourself look like a complete fool here.

So, according to ur newly invented logic next time if someone declares that fizz is better than amir, then amir will just have to show his world cup medal to shut them up ), oh man this is gold.


If above statement is true then obviously Raina and Gambhir both of them are better than ABD. Right? After all if someone questions their superiority then they will just show their world cup medal.


ENOUGH OF THIS NONSENSE, TIME FOR SOME REAL STATS

Amir in odis

Mat: 17
WKT: 30
Best: 4/28
Ave: 22.23
Eco: 4.48
SR: 29.7!!!


Fizz in odis

Mat: 9
Wkt: 26
Best: 6/43
Ave: 12.34
Eco: 4.26
SR: 17.3


ENJOY

You are up there with the most brain less posters i have ever come across

As your comment about Test cricket proved. You won't last long on this forum

enjoy

 

[sully3]

I haven't seen such a ridiculous logic in my entire life. Pls stop!! U r making yourself look like a complete fool here.

So, according to ur newly invented logic next time if someone declares that fizz is better than amir, then amir will just have to show his world cup medal to shut them up ), oh man this is gold.


If above statement is true then obviously Raina and Gambhir both of them are better than ABD. Right? After all if someone questions their superiority then they will just show their world cup medal.


ENOUGH OF THIS NONSENSE, TIME FOR SOME REAL STATS

Amir in odis

Mat: 17
WKT: 30
Best: 4/28
Ave: 22.23
Eco: 4.48
SR: 29.7!!!


Fizz in odis

Mat: 9
Wkt: 26
Best: 6/43
Ave: 12.34
Eco: 4.26
SR: 17.3


ENJOY

TIME FOR THE REAL STATS YEAH ??

so why didn't you upload their Test and T20 stats?

Tryna tell me Mustafizur is a better ODI bowler after only playing 9 matches. You really are clueless my friend, stick to another sport because cricket isn't for you

 

[BD-fan]

You are up there with the most brain less posters i have ever come across

As your comment about Test cricket proved. You won't last long on this forum

enjoy

Great comeback!!! I see real potential.

 

[sshakir411]

Nobody is showing hate towards Mustafizur. PP'ers are just perturbed that folks like you and Prince_ are putting down Amir just to big up your bowler. Amir and Mustafizur can both be good or bad and it has no bearing on the other bowler. Each's success is not linked to the other.

There is a reason why everybody wants BD to lose, not because of the team or the players but because of their fans who claim they are the best Asia after winning a couple of series at home after decades of losing left, right and center.

it's okay man...it's only taken them a few decades to produce a player they can chest thump about.and so far that player has played less than 10 ODIs. Hilarious thing is all the Indians hyping Mustafiz and saying he's better than Amir...same people who once called Bhuvneswar Kumar the best fast bowler in Asia.LOL. and Irfan Pathan as next Wasim Akram. I'm glad at least the Bangalis didn't compare their bowler to Wasim after 9 games but the way they seem to be...won't be surprised if that comparison starts after Mustafizs' next game.

 

[Syed1]

it's okay man...it's only taken them a few decades to produce a player they can chest thump about.and so far that player has played less than 10 ODIs. Hilarious thing is all the Indians hyping Mustafiz and saying he's better than Amir...same people who once called Bhuvneswar Kumar the best fast bowler in Asia.LOL. and Irfan Pathan as next Wasim Akram. I'm glad at least the Bangalis didn't compare their bowler to Wasim after 9 games but the way they seem to be...won't be surprised if that comparison starts after Mustafizs' next game.

Thank God we are not like BD fans. During the 90s-2000s our bowling attack was Wasim/Waqar/Akhtar/Saqlain and every single one of those bowlers is miles better than anything that BD have ever produced or will produce in the foreseeable future, yet we never saw this degree of chest thumping from Pakistanis.

 

[sully3]

Great comeback!!! I see real potential.

You read post number 728 and then tell me if this guy is a massive troll or just brainless


He brought up the Odi stats but then fails to post Test and T20 stats as they clearly shows Amir has better stats and is a better bowler in the other two formats.

 

[sully3]

it's okay man...it's only taken them a few decades to produce a player they can chest thump about.and so far that player has played less than 10 ODIs. Hilarious thing is all the Indians hyping Mustafiz and saying he's better than Amir...same people who once called Bhuvneswar Kumar the best fast bowler in Asia.LOL. and Irfan Pathan as next Wasim Akram. I'm glad at least the Bangalis didn't compare their bowler to Wasim after 9 games but the way they seem to be...won't be surprised if that comparison starts after Mustafizs' next game.

This

BD fans and Indian fans siding with each other is hilarious.

Its going to be so much fun bumping this thread during the England tour because we all know what Amir is going to do this summer in those conditions. This thread has the potential to be an epic humble pie thread for bangla fans.

 

[Prince_]

You read post number 728 and then tell me if this guy is a massive troll or just brainless


He brought up the Odi stats but then fails to post Test and T20 stats as they clearly shows Amir has better stats and is a better bowler in the other two formats.

OH God!! Sully my little brother, pls stop embarrassing yourself. U r looking really silly here!!! Trust me

In my previous post I was just trying to be generous towards amir. If I had posted his T20 stats and compared it with fizz he(amir) would've looked like a mediocre T20 bowler.

Fizz is one of the best T20 bowlers in the history of cricket. Compared to him amir is almost nothing . Anyway since u've asked for it

Amir in t20s

Mat: 29
Wkt: 34
Best: 3/18
Ave: 22.23
Eco: 7.06


Fizz in T20s

Mat: 13
Wkt: 22
Best: 5/22
Ave: 13.95
Eco: 5.98

Enjoy


Even in tests fizz has better stats than amir. But the sample size is too low. I'll let him play at least 10 tests before making any comparison.

But there is hardly any doubt that he'll definately do a lot better than amir in tests too.

 

[JibranAnsari]

It is hard for us Pakistanis to admit that mustafiz is actually doing better than amir in Odis and t20s. Though it's early days for mustafiz ur rehman but signs are there that he will have a wonderful career.
When amir first started he was only 18 but had unmatchable skills for any bowler of 18 years old. He started learning things pretty quickly and soon had everything in his armory he has come back after a long time and still he has turned some heads.

IMO mustafiz will soon be number 1 odi and t20 bowler but I don't see him doing that well in test matches. Amir will be a good bowler in Odis and t20s but nowhere close to mustafiz.

 

[Prince_]

IMO mustafiz will soon be number 1 odi and t20 bowler but I don't see him doing that well in test matches. Amir will be a good bowler in Odis and t20s but nowhere close to mustafiz.

Good observation. Although I think fizz can actually become a good test bowler too. He did pretty well in the only 2 test matches he has played so far.

I m not concerned about his performance. The only thing I m concerned about is his fitness.

I personally believe he shouldn't play tests. These days it's quite difficult for a player especially for a fast bowler to continuously play in all three formats.