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Is Pakistan really the problem in Kashmir?

Sher Khan

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Kashmir is the most militarised region in the world. You got it wrong if you think it's because of Pakistani army presence. It's the Indian army presence and they are committing open atrocities against the Kashmiri people there.

According to reputable sources, 60 percent of kashmiris want to be independent as a state whilst 35 percent want to be with Pakistan.

Then when even the people living there side with Pakistan. Surely it is India that is causing them harm. Why don't Indian people understand this???
 
Kashmir is the most militarised region in the world. You got it wrong if you think it's because of Pakistani army presence. It's the Indian army presence and they are committing open atrocities against the Kashmiri people there.

According to reputable sources, 60 percent of kashmiris want to be independent as a state whilst 35 percent want to be with Pakistan.

Then when even the people living there side with Pakistan. Surely it is India that is causing them harm. Why don't Indian people understand this???

They do understand it thier just hurt ever since Pakistan got independence , since than they always blame everything on Pakistan in fact they can make a hit song called blame it on Pakistan and it would be number one song in India for ever since that's what they have been doing for ever just blaming Pakistan
 
Bro, narendra modi was elected into power because of his anti Pakistan rhetoric. Indian people lie when they say they don't care about Pakistan. In reality their lives revolve around us.

If India really wants peace and good relations which I hope they do. Then why do they always back away from talks and dialogues. How can issues be resolved without communication?

People that talk sense like navjot Singh are given death threats.
 
Bro, narendra modi was elected into power because of his anti Pakistan rhetoric. Indian people lie when they say they don't care about Pakistan. In reality their lives revolve around us.

Why do Pakistanis on here think that they know everything about Indians and Indian politics?
 
[MENTION=139108]Sachin136[/MENTION] we don't. But it's no secret that modi was elected to power because he threatened to be tough on Pakistan.

Imran khan has degrees from Oxford, on the other hand modi has cleared his matric from railway banaswati government school. Surely they didn't elect him to make informed decisions about how to increase the literacy levels in India.
 
[MENTION=139108]Sachin136[/MENTION] we don't. But it's no secret that modi was elected to power because he threatened to be tough on Pakistan.

Imran khan has degrees from Oxford, on the other hand modi has cleared his matric from railway banaswati government school. Surely they didn't elect him to make informed decisions about how to increase the literacy levels in India.

What's this obsession with Oxford. Benazir was from Oxford too and hasn't done much. It's the beaurocrats that run the country and they are smart in every country.
 
What's this obsession with Oxford. Benazir was from Oxford too and hasn't done much. It's the beaurocrats that run the country and they are smart in every country.

Benazir had some brilliant ideas to shape the country’s future. But unfortunately like always the bigger forces in the country didn’t let her have her way.
 
Ask the Kashmiriss and they will tell you who the problem is. Who is killing and blinding them. India not Pakistan.
 
Kashmir is the most militarised region in the world. You got it wrong if you think it's because of Pakistani army presence. It's the Indian army presence and they are committing open atrocities against the Kashmiri people there.

According to reputable sources, 60 percent of kashmiris want to be independent as a state whilst 35 percent want to be with Pakistan.

Then when even the people living there side with Pakistan. Surely it is India that is causing them harm. Why don't Indian people understand this???

Can you post a few reputed sources which say 60% of Kashmiris want independence and 35% want to be with Pakistan?


Census shows that around 35% of the population of the state of J and K is non muslim. Another approx 5% is Shia and lives in Leh and have no interest in any separatist movement as Leh has no such movement.

In the remaining population 2 to 5% is of Gujjars Bakarwals and other nomadic tribes who are very pro Indian and regularly get recruited in the Army.


I have not included the approx 500k displace Kashmiri Pandits yet.

All approx figures are as per the last census.
 
Can you post a few reputed sources which say 60% of Kashmiris want independence and 35% want to be with Pakistan?


Census shows that around 35% of the population of the state of J and K is non muslim. Another approx 5% is Shia and lives in Leh and have no interest in any separatist movement as Leh has no such movement.

In the remaining population 2 to 5% is of Gujjars Bakarwals and other nomadic tribes who are very pro Indian and regularly get recruited in the Army.


I have not included the approx 500k displace Kashmiri Pandits yet.

All approx figures are as per the last census.

Can't you spot the difference between kashmir and jammu and kashmir?
 
Benazir had some brilliant ideas to shape the country’s future. But unfortunately like always the bigger forces in the country didn’t let her have her way.

Yea, she had brilliant ideas to shape Pakistan's future by looting her country, right?
 
Indians are not saints and neither are the Kashmiris, but by and large, Pakistan is responsible for this conflict.

To fully understand this, we need to go back to 1947, when northern tribes attempted to invade Kashmir and conquer it by force.

Pakistan’s critical mistake was that instead of stopping the invasion in its tracks, they sided with them. This forced Hari Singh to call India for help. As a result, he had no choice but to sign on the accession document.

At that point, Pakistan should have realized that they lost Kashmir because of their irrational aggression, and the smart thing to do was to step back and accept that J&K is no longer Pakistan’s business.

However, we have spent the last 72 years fighting a war that we cannot win, and have funded insurgencies and militants who do not belong to Pakistan.

Our involvement in Kashmir has been a major stumbling block in our growth and progression as a nation. It has made our army too rich and powerful which has allowed them to undermine civil supremacy.

Without involvement in Kashmir, Pakistan would have been in a similar position to India. A powerful democracy with modern industries. We would have been 20-25 years ahead of where we are now.
 
Indians are not saints and neither are the Kashmiris, but by and large, Pakistan is responsible for this conflict.

To fully understand this, we need to go back to 1947, when northern tribes attempted to invade Kashmir and conquer it by force.

Pakistan’s critical mistake was that instead of stopping the invasion in its tracks, they sided with them. This forced Hari Singh to call India for help. As a result, he had no choice but to sign on the accession document.

At that point, Pakistan should have realized that they lost Kashmir because of their irrational aggression, and the smart thing to do was to step back and accept that J&K is no longer Pakistan’s business.

However, we have spent the last 72 years fighting a war that we cannot win, and have funded insurgencies and militants who do not belong to Pakistan.

Our involvement in Kashmir has been a major stumbling block in our growth and progression as a nation. It has made our army too rich and powerful which has allowed them to undermine civil supremacy.

Without involvement in Kashmir, Pakistan would have been in a similar position to India. A powerful democracy with modern industries. We would have been 20-25 years ahead of where we are now.

Without Kashmir?

You forgot Russian invading Afghanistan then Internal Afghanistan war, millions of Afghan refugees, then 911.

Lol.

Stop distorting history and facts to troll and appease your ego.
 
Indians are not saints and neither are the Kashmiris, but by and large, Pakistan is responsible for this conflict.

To fully understand this, we need to go back to 1947, when northern tribes attempted to invade Kashmir and conquer it by force.

Pakistan’s critical mistake was that instead of stopping the invasion in its tracks, they sided with them. This forced Hari Singh to call India for help. As a result, he had no choice but to sign on the accession document.

At that point, Pakistan should have realized that they lost Kashmir because of their irrational aggression, and the smart thing to do was to step back and accept that J&K is no longer Pakistan’s business.

However, we have spent the last 72 years fighting a war that we cannot win, and have funded insurgencies and militants who do not belong to Pakistan.

Our involvement in Kashmir has been a major stumbling block in our growth and progression as a nation. It has made our army too rich and powerful which has allowed them to undermine civil supremacy.

Without involvement in Kashmir, Pakistan would have been in a similar position to India. A powerful democracy with modern industries. We would have been 20-25 years ahead of where we are now.

I don't really post here, just lurk. But this has to be most illogical comment I have read. To blame the lack of growth on the Kashmir conflict proves you have no idea what you are talking about.

You seem to be forgetting Russian invasion of Afghanistan, training of the Mujahideen, Afghan refugees, 9/11, America's war on terror, corrupt politicians and countless other issues.

Pakistan's stagnation is due to a number of isses and pinning the blame of the Kashmiri conflict just screams of attention seeking.
 
Without Kashmir?

You forgot Russian invading Afghanistan then Internal Afghanistan war, millions of Afghan refugees, then 911.

Lol.

Stop distorting history and facts to troll and appease your ego.

Bar Pakistan's role in America's war against terror, all other conflicts you mentioned were for a certain period. None of them have been eating away Pakistan from 1947 till now. Even Pakistan's role in America's war on terror started in 2003, not before that. If there has been one factor that has hurt Pakistan since 1947 till date, there is only one.

None of my business, just wanted to make my point.
 
Bar Pakistan's role in America's war against terror, all other conflicts you mentioned were for a certain period. None of them have been eating away Pakistan from 1947 till now. Even Pakistan's role in America's war on terror started in 2003, not before that. If there has been one factor that has hurt Pakistan since 1947 till date, there is only one.

None of my business, just wanted to make my point.

Pakistan was never placed on sanction due to Kashmir conflict, not that I remember, correct me if I am wrong.

Pakistan fought two wars prior to Russian invasion of Afghanistan and Pakistan was doing way better than Indian during those time.

Pakistan's downfall began after Zia and excelled it during Afghan war, which was 10 years long.

Then came in sanctions.

Then in 96' came in supporting Taliban in Afghanistan.

Then came in Nuclear testing.

Then came in more sanctions.

Then 9/11.

Pakistan had supported insurgencies in Kashmir in 1989 for few years.

So supporting Kashmir struggle has never been a downfall of Pakistan, Sanctions have and mostly were due to in pursue of Nuclear weapons.

Now Pakistan have leadership, who genuinely wants to help Pakistan to become a stable economy of the world. Both establishment and elected government are on the same page, they both understand that Pakistan need to have security for the rest of the world to invest in Pakistan, Pakistan as a whole does not gain anything with supporting attacks on Indian army, particularly during the time when they need foreign investment. Pakistan gain absolutely nothing.


You are an Indian,whether like or not you are part of this conflict, and the only way to resolve this issue is by talk, so it is your business and if not then make it your business as both side need more loud voices who would rather promote dialogue than violence, because ultimately that will be the solution to it as soon as radicalized extremists government of Indian realized that this is the only option they have.
 
You are an Indian,whether like or not you are part of this conflict, and the only way to resolve this issue is by talk, so it is your business and if not then make it your business as both side need more loud voices who would rather promote dialogue than violence, because ultimately that will be the solution to it as soon as radicalized extremists government of Indian realized that this is the only option they have.

Dialogues regarding what? My country will never, ever let Kashmir slip away from it's hands under any circumstances. We know it, you know it. Hell, anyone with a brain knows it. If Pakistan wants to have dialogues keeping that in mind, good.
 
Dialogues regarding what? My country will never, ever let Kashmir slip away from it's hands under any circumstances. We know it, you know it. Hell, anyone with a brain knows it. If Pakistan wants to have dialogues keeping that in mind, good.

How else you expect to resolve this issue then?

Who are the three concerning parties? Kashmir, India and Pakistan.

India can't continue to kill Kashmiri for another 70 years.

Pakistan is not interested in going back into Kashmir or start any conflict in Kashmir but will continue to support morally for the geo-politics.

It is kashmir grown youth who are fighting the occupation.

Pakistan isn't asking to take the Indian occupying kashmir. It is false narrative spread by mostly Indian.

It is in India's best interest to find a solution to this conflicts and that will not happen until the general population of India wants the same.

Majority of Pakistani wants to resolve this issue with dialogue, whereas Majority of Indian wants to destroy Pakistan.
 
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Pakistan isn't asking to take the Indian occupying kashmir. It is false narrative spread by mostly Indian.

What else does Pakistan want? What's the other alternative? India will never give up Kashmir. If there is any other alternative, good.
 
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