Is Pakistan the only nation with more than a dozen 140k pacers?

[Muhammad Saad]

I admit we don't have out and out genuine pacer for some time now but there are plenty of young and old pacers capable of hitting 140k mark regularly and I believe it's the most we have at the moment compared to any other cricketing nations.
Discuss.

 

[Rana]

I admit we don't have out and out genuine pacer for some time now but there are plenty of young and old pacers capable of hitting 140k mark regularly and I believe it's the most we have at the moment compared to any other cricketing nations.
Discuss.

I personally take interest in this. I believe South Africa has the best battery of fast bowlers.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

I am talking about pace only not the bowler quality.

 

[Rana]

I am talking about pace only not the bowler quality.

I am responding in the same manner.

 

[Major]

I think this is true.

We have abundance of fast bowlers who could hit 140,

and the funny thing is, there age doesnt matter

We got a 30+ Sami hitting 140 and we have a 20ish Musa hitting 140

 

[Major]

140+
Mohammad Amir
Hasan Ali
Usman Shinwari
Rahat Ali
Mohammad Sami
Rumman Raees(touches 135ish)
Ammad Butt
Mohammad Musa
Sohail khan
Harris Rauf
Aizaz Cheema(the guy does get 135ish)
Ali Shafiq(was getting above 130)
Junaid Khan
Wahab RIaz

130+
Sohail Tanvir
Mohammad Irfan
Sameen Gul
Irfan Jr.
Mohammad Abbas
Umaid Asif
Aamir Yamin
Anwar Ali
Ghulam Muddasir
Mohammad Hassan or Hossnain

THere are many more like Nasir Malik, Ehsan Adil that could be considered 125+

 

[Savak]

Where was this 140 km/hr pace on the SA tour?

Don't be fooled by the speeds in a T20 league. Much easier to bowl at 140 km/hr in 4 overs as compared to 20 plus overs in a day.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Add Naseem Shah, Hasnain, Shaheen Shah, Bilawal Bhatti, many PSL talent hunt guys who have clock over 140ks as well apart from Rauf,

 

[Rana]

Where was this 140 km/hr pace on the SA tour?

Don't be fooled by the speeds in a T20 league. Much easier to bowl at 140 km/hr in 4 overs as compared to 20 plus overs in a day.

Agreed.

Its not even a big deal to bowl 140. I would like to see a focus on 145+ bowlers

 

[ravisurya]

Pakistan are truly blessed, fast bowlers like Rahat Ali dont even get a chance while he would be starting for every other international team. No wonder Pakistan is dominating international cricket.

 

[as-95]

I don’t know what planet the posters in this thread are living on. We have had a dearth in fast bowling for quite some time now. The likes of Australia and South Africa have lots of Haris Rays type players in domestic but they don’t get mentioned because there is nothing special about bowling 140 unless you can get movement in the air/accurate deliveries.

We are deluding ourselves if we really think that we have some sort of abundance of bowlersnwith pace. The quicker we realise this, the faster we can resolve the problem!

 

[JibranAnsari]

Touching 140 isnt the thing , at least bowling 50% of deliveries over 140 matters.

Shaheen , rauf , rahat , wahab , amir , hasan , musa , sami etc , all can bowl 140 plus. Only wahab and rauf are consistently bowl 140 plus.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

No, don't think so.

Australia definitely has more and so do South Africa.

Unaware about England.

The only team that doesn't have too many 140 kph bowlers from the top teams is Bangladesh. Everyone else is well covered.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I was watching an interview with Shabbir Ahmed the former Pakistan fast bowler.he said there are quite a few over 90+ young bowlers around but they don't have the right contacts to get into academies.PCB has no system to bring in new talent.PCB should look beyond big cities and hunt for talent in small town.It is bound to find good fast bowlers.

 

[Salman4.]

140+
Mohammad Amir
Hasan Ali
Usman Shinwari
Rahat Ali
Mohammad Sami
Rumman Raees(touches 135ish)
Ammad Butt
Mohammad Musa
Sohail khan
Harris Rauf
Aizaz Cheema(the guy does get 135ish)
Ali Shafiq(was getting above 130)
Junaid Khan
Wahab RIaz

130+
Sohail Tanvir
Mohammad Irfan
Sameen Gul
Irfan Jr.
Mohammad Abbas
Umaid Asif
Aamir Yamin
Anwar Ali
Ghulam Muddasir
Mohammad Hassan or Hossnain

THere are many more like Nasir Malik, Ehsan Adil that could be considered 125+

Ehsan Adil is 135+ lol.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

I was watching an interview with Shabbir Ahmed the former Pakistan fast bowler.he said there are quite a few over 90+ young bowlers around but they don't have the right contacts to get into academies.PCB has no system to bring in new talent.PCB should look beyond big cities and hunt for talent in small town.It is bound to find good fast bowlers.

They might have no contacts but surely they can arrange a decent camera and make video of their bowling and send it to pcb?

 

[barah_admi]

SA might match them but yes, there arent many countries that produce pace like Pakistan.

 

[moghul]

With generosity you have shown please put my name in 140 plus bowlers also. Funny to see Rumman,s name there who’s effort ball hardy touches 130. And when was the last time you saw Sohail Khan touched 140 , also this new military medium bowler Shafiq . I simply don’t take your list seriously.

 

[salman24]

I personally think SA, AUS and West Indies have more.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Here is the definition of a fast bowler:

Above 145 atleast 20% of the time
Above 150 atleast 5% of the time.

There is no fast bowler in Pakistan. End of.

 

[Saj]

Who is this dozen?

Can someone name them.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Lol no.

 

[Abdullah]

150 plus is real pace.
With all other speeds u need good skills

 

[gazza619]

Surprised with this thread

We are a weak bowling unit i am afraid

 

[coy0607]

i'm hard pressed to think of a single Pakistani who can consistently bowl at 140kmph

even M Sami and Wahab don't do it consistently anymore

 

[khan_aa]

who cares, they lack brains.

 

[Justcrazy]

Pakistan lacks wicket taking new ball bowlers , and that has hurt most in the recent years.

 

[Red Devil]

Most pacers around the world can touch 140 clicks, it's not that big of a deal. Now averaging around or above 140 is something that is rare and we probably have only one or two of those.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Who is this dozen?

Can someone name them.

Amir
Shinwari
Haris
Junaid
Irfan
Hasan
Shaheen
Musa
Sami
Riaz
Sameen
Ehsan
Naseem
Hasnain
Bilal Shah

All of them can touch 140ks

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Amir
Shinwari
Haris
Junaid
Irfan
Hasan
Shaheen
Musa
Sami
Riaz
Sameen
Ehsan
Naseem
Hasnain
Bilal Shah

All of them can touch 140ks

How is touching 140 fast bowling?

 

[Shoaib88]

Pakistan are truly blessed, fast bowlers like Rahat Ali dont even get a chance while he would be starting for every other international team. No wonder Pakistan is dominating international cricket.

Dont think Rahat Ali would make into South Africa, England or even Indian playing XI. You are either a big fan of rahat ali or just deluded.

 

[RainMan_]

Dont think Rahat Ali would make into South Africa, England or even Indian playing XI. You are either a big fan of rahat ali or just deluded.

U r Sheldon Cooper my friend.

 

[Rahul1]

Even Bhuvneshwar Kumar bowls 140 plus in T20s most of the time. Bumrah was bowling at 145+ during the fourth test of gruelling test series. That is what you call fast.

 

[Mobashir]

Australia have the most number of fast and fast medium bowlers.

For me these are bowlers who can bowl a 5 over spell at more than 140kph.
Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Stanlake, Jyhe Richardson, Meredith. Even other bowlers like Coulter Nile can do it.

Pakistani bowlers can at most ball an average spell at around 138kph I will say. These days we are way behind in fast bowling resources compared to other countries.
Shaheen Shah and Harris Rauf are promising tough. Shaheen who looks a more complete bowler at this stage and a hard worker can be touching 150kph in 2/3 years and balling at an average of 143-145kph.

 

[ARK Rafay]

What dozen bowlers? I don't consider a bowler 140K+ if he dosn't consistently bowl 140K+

 

[Muhammad Saad]

What dozen bowlers? I don't consider a bowler 140K+ if he dosn't consistently bowl 140K+

The bowlers that I mentioned above have the capacity to bowl an avg 136/137k on a consistent basis with their fastest bowl touching 140k or above. That is strictly Fast Medium and probably we have the highest brigade of fast Med bowlers at the moment. Sadly we dont have a genuine quickie.

 

[Sidilicious]

If just touching (or bowling a few deliveries at 140) is the criteria, then all Indian bowlers can touch 140.

Bumrah
Shami
Umesh Yadav
Varun Aaron
Ishant
Bhuvi
Nagarkoti
Shivam Mavi
Khaleel
Pandya
Navdeep saini
Gurbani
Khejroliya
Nathu Singh
Avesh Khan
MD Siraj

All of these touch 140

So given that India has the highest number of first class players, they will have the most numbers of bowlers who touch 140+

 

[DRsohail]

If just touching (or bowling a few deliveries at 140) is the criteria, then all Indian bowlers can touch 140.

Bumrah
Shami
Umesh Yadav
Varun Aaron
Ishant
Bhuvi
Nagarkoti
Shivam Mavi
Khaleel
Pandya
Navdeep saini
Gurbani
Khejroliya
Nathu Singh
Avesh Khan
MD Siraj

All of these touch 140

So given that India has the highest number of first class players, they will have the most numbers of bowlers who touch 140+

many od them has not pkayed IPL gow would we know they are 140kph?? In lak doneatics there are many more who can click 140kph loke Amir Bashir but posters has not mentioned, not saying india is inferior, skills wiae they are definitely better.

 

[JattMaula]

many od them has not pkayed IPL gow would we know they are 140kph?? In lak doneatics there are many more who can click 140kph loke Amir Bashir but posters has not mentioned, not saying india is inferior, skills wiae they are definitely better.

Every single one of the above has bowled multiple overs with speed gun. But I don't consider all these to be 140+ bowlers.

For example. Saini was bowling some balls at 145+ today in Syed mustaq Ali trophy(T20) today but in Ranji or with India A he has to bowl 20+ overs a day and he comes down to 138-140kph on average. Same is the case with multiple bowler above. 4 overs at full steam is easy for these athletes but maintaing that when you play multiple days and different formats is the real challenge. Aussies are the quickest . Followed by SA.

 

[DRsohail]

Every single one of the above has bowled multiple overs with speed gun. But I don't consider all these to be 140+ bowlers.

For example. Saini was bowling some balls at 145+ today in Syed mustaq Ali trophy(T20) today but in Ranji or with India A he has to bowl 20+ overs a day and he comes down to 138-140kph on average. Same is the case with multiple bowler above. 4 overs at full steam is easy for these athletes but maintaing that when you play multiple days and different formats is the real challenge. Aussies are the quickest . Followed by SA.

Agreed Aus and Sa have them in abundance, India is good with having few od them showing quality, pak have only two of the Shaheen and Hassan the rest are average. I feel Arshad Iqbal is btter than the many been mentioned but he operates in 135kph.

 

[JattMaula]

Agreed Aus and Sa have them in abundance, India is good with having few od them showing quality, pak have only two of the Shaheen and Hassan the rest are average. I feel Arshad Iqbal is btter than the many been mentioned but he operates in 135kph.

I don't think max pace of bowlers is an issue for Pakistan. Problem is with skills and fitness (endurance).

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Actually its the movement skill which Pak bowlers severely lack.

 

[DRsohail]

I don't think max pace of bowlers is an issue for Pakistan. Problem is with skills and fitness (endurance).

In tests its mostly fitness as players Like Sohail khan and Aamir has skills but lose their pace after first spell, In odi skill is not upto the mark, they just come and throw it. We need proper bowlers may be Shaheen will come good, Hassan lack height, Aamir fitness, Shinwari misafires always, In young talent may be Arshad Iqbal and Haris Rauf come good. Musa has height issue, .

 

[ARK Rafay]

The bowlers that I mentioned above have the capacity to bowl an avg 136/137k on a consistent basis with their fastest bowl touching 140k or above. That is strictly Fast Medium and probably we have the highest brigade of fast Med bowlers at the moment. Sadly we dont have a genuine quickie.

Then I don't think Pakistan is the country with the most bowlers who can touch 140K. Even Faheem Ashraf touched 140K+ There are a no. of players from many countries who can bowl one off 140K+

 

[Deewana Mastana]

People jumping up and down seeing 38 year old Sami bowling 140kph and a few others who are 18-20 year old and thinking Pakistan has the most in the world in that category.

People forget this is a T20 league and bowlers are just bowling 4 overs and most of them are doing 2 overs and then coming back 10 overs later to bowl the other 2, some maybe who are on song get to bowl 4 together but even then it is nothing extraordinary that they are hitting 140kph but the average speed is not 140 some average 135kph and occasionally hitting 140kph.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Touching 140 once in a blue moon doesn't make one a 140+ bowler.
Amir can't be considered as a 140+ bowler as of now same goes for usman, raees, junaid, hasan(was trundling at 130+ in SA).

Bhuvi kumar has bowled many balls above 140 but he isn't a 140+ bowler same goes for hardik.
Bumrah, shami, yadav, nagarkoti, aaron are genuine contenders.

 

[hafizexpress]

Australia, South Africa and West Indies should have more. Way more.
Pakistan has very few 140K pacers

 

[Hasan123]

Australia have bowlers who can do it at test level. Our 90kmph bowlers can only do it in T20s.

 

[Saj]

No way does Pakistan have bowlers these days who can bowl at over 140kph.

When we say over 140kph we should surely mean bowling regularly at over 140kph, not bowling it once in a lifetime.

 

[sshakir411]

Amir
Shinwari
Haris
Junaid
Irfan
Hasan
Shaheen
Musa
Sami
Riaz
Sameen
Ehsan
Naseem
Hasnain
Bilal Shah

All of them can touch 140ks

Saad bhai you forgot Faheem Ashraf. His effort ball will match that of quite a few in this list.

 

[HuzaifaE]

This thread is beyond embarrassing. Tickling 140 KPH 10% of the time absolutely doesn't make you a proper fast bowler. Our genuine pace stocks are a shambles. Rauf, Wahab, Hassan, Musa, Sami, Amir (when he decides the game is worth busting his precious gut for) are probably the only ones who can pump some gas. Two of them are completely unproven, two are tried and tested flops and one doesn't know how to pick up wickets.

 

[moghul]

Wahab is still the only one in Pakistan who bowls > 140 km/h on persistent basis, no one else. Even Sri Lanka now has more fast bowlers than Pakistan possesses.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Actually Wahab was barely hitting 125ks when he was 18 , there was an article on cricinfo specifically about him and his lack of pace at start.

 

[Mbappe]

Well.. now you can add a couple more to the Pakistan pace brigade.
But still think there are lots of 140+ bowlers in SA, Aus and even India now

 

[Muhammad Saad]

I still say we are right at the top.

 

[Mbappe]

Saini has gotten up to 151.4kph
This is nosebleed territory for Indian bowlers

 

[Mbappe]

Hasnain is close at 151

 

[Chief Destroyer]

On the scene or off the scene? If the latter, then yes. We've got an army of them.

 

[Mbappe]

On the scene or off the scene? If the latter, then yes. We've got an army of them.

We can only talk about the one's we have seen. Nobody knows about the off scene talent in any country. One thing I can say that west indies has the best athletes overall so they must have a large no. of off scene fast bowlers. It's just so natural to them.
yes Pakistan has larger population but so does India.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

We can only talk about the one's we have seen. Nobody knows about the off scene talent in any country. One thing I can say that west indies has the best athletes overall so they must have a large no. of off scene fast bowlers. It's just so natural to them.
yes Pakistan has larger population but so does India.

You should have watched Lahore Qalandars tournament. Literally every second bowler was bowling 140ks.

 

[Mbappe]

You should have watched Lahore Qalandars tournament. Literally every second bowler was bowling 140ks.

Yeah! I haven't seen it. Is it on YouTube.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

We do have quite few 140K+ but they aren't that effective. We should now focus on developing our new crop, i.e. Musa, Rauf, Hasnain, etc.