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Is Pakistan the only team with a top three all averaging 50+ in ODIs?

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Pak team is the only one with top 3 averaging 50 plus. Fakhar and Imam avergage 60 plus.

Imam avg 64 100s 4
Fakhar avg 76 100s 3 200 1
Babar avg 54 100s 8

No matter how many matches they have played and against which sides its a rare feat which I dont think many Top 3 in the world have achieved.
 
I expected you to be much better poster than this.

Stats are not the end of it. Imam and Fakhar have played very few matches.
 
If you purely depending on stats then add Malik #4 and Asif #5 as well.

Asif averages 50+ and Malik averages 50+ since comeback. But, it doesn't work that way bro.
 
Kohli said:
I expected you to be much better poster than this.

Stats are not the end of it. Imam and Fakhar have played very few matches.
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I know its not all about stats and I dont expect to end their careers on these averages. It was just a rare feat which I thought of sharing.
 
Stats are only meaningful when they are reliable and valid. This is neither.

Sample size is the most critical factor of statistical reliability.

These stats fail that test right away.
 
Concept of the thread is not to tell how good these 3 are but rather just to share and ask members to contribute regarding other top 3 averaging 50 +. I dont remember the last time I have seen such an occurrence.
 
I request MOD to change the OPs title to “Is Pakistan, the only team with rare occurance of top 3 avg 50+ at any point of time?” Just to clear the confusion.
 
Even if Fakhar goes sideways from here on, he will probably manage a 40+ average at a 90+ strike rate, which is excellent.

Babar needs to average 50 at a strike rate of 90. He has been able to maintain his average, but that strike rate is going down. He needs to learn to pace his innings better, especially in the first half.

As far as Imam is concerned, realistically speaking, we should not expect better than a 35 odd average at a strike rate of 80. Not bad, but we should look to do better.
 
Mamoon said:
Even if Fakhar goes sideways from here on, he will probably manage a 40+ average at a 90+ strike rate, which is excellent.

Babar needs to average 50 at a strike rate of 90. He has been able to maintain his average, but that strike rate is going down. He needs to learn to pace his innings better, especially in the first half.

As far as Imam is concerned, realistically speaking, we should not expect better than a 35 odd average at a strike rate of 80. Not bad, but we should look to do better.
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Completely agreed with the analysis on Babar and Fakhar also on most aspects regarding Imam.

For Fakhar even if he will end up avg 40+ he will be the next best opener in ODIs we ever had post Saeed. TBH he already might he achieved that “best thing post Anwar” in terms of impact as our openers of the last decade or so have been pretty mediocre but, I think he has got the hunger to improve and do a lot more and he doesnt compare himself with past players or take there performances as benchmarks which is something very rare to see. Kohli is other such legendary example who only competes with himself and his own standards. So I wont be surprised if he exceeds our expectations if he keeps his head down and working hard.

For Imam, I think its too early to say anything but surely has better attitude than most openers in the past. Talent wise he might not be as good as many others we have seen but once you are selected to play at international level it proves that you have got the basic talent. Its temperament and attitude after that, I have seen many talented players and openers playing against poor attacks and throwing it away, Imam is not one of those. Plus he has age on his side, he is just 22. He has a lot really a lot to improve but a 22 year old showing good temperament to make centuries is always good to see along with a pretty solid technique against pace bowling. But, if he doesnt imrpove his career can go as you predicted and like many other Pakistani openers we have witnessed in the last decade or so.
 
Don't manipulate stats.

We're an average to poor batting side. Thoroughly exposed and deservingly whitewashed in New Zealand.

Have not played any half decent team since then!

These batsmen are decent but the stats are misleading.
 
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Mamoon said:
Even if Fakhar goes sideways from here on, he will probably manage a 40+ average at a 90+ strike rate, which is excellent.

Babar needs to average 50 at a strike rate of 90. He has been able to maintain his average, but that strike rate is going down. He needs to learn to pace his innings better, especially in the first half.

As far as Imam is concerned, realistically speaking, we should not expect better than a 35 odd average at a strike rate of 80. Not bad, but we should look to do better.
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Imam generally ends up with a 90+ SR when he makes a big score. So his SR is not an issue. One batsman in the team can take his time. Kane Williamson's SR since WC 2015 is only 84.
 
shariqnoor said:
Imam generally ends up with a 90+ SR when he makes a big score. So his SR is not an issue. One batsman in the team can take his time. Kane Williamson's SR since WC 2015 is only 84.
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And nobody rates Kane Williamson in LOIs.

That's the hard bitter world of today's LOI batting.

Fakhar any day over Kane.
 
This is a bumpable thread. Other babar no one else in the team has the ability to average 50 in our team.
 
Hawkeye said:
Don't manipulate stats.

We're an average to poor batting side. Thoroughly exposed and deservingly whitewashed in New Zealand.

Have not played any half decent team since then!

These batsmen are decent but the stats are misleading.
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Manipulate? Excuse me, how is this manipulation? I have shared vaild stats. I have also cleared in my other posts that this thread is not intened to tell how good they are but rather how these top 3 have achieved a rare feat.
 
j_kazmi said:
This is a bumpable thread. Other babar no one else in the team has the ability to average 50 in our team.
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Intention was not to make it artificially bumpable rather the discussion if this feat has been achieved by other teams in different eras.

Nowwhere in my post have I discussed abilities of any of these players, I have just stated facts and stats. Have already requested MOD to change the title if its the cause of any confusion.
 
How much do the top three of the worst ODI team statistically of all time, who only get lucky at home average?
 
Average of 40 is actually not a sign of greatness in ODI's anymore. I think its now above 50, anyway its too early for all the players above they havent played enough matches yet.
 
Hawkeye said:
And nobody rates Kane Williamson in LOIs.

That's the hard bitter world of today's LOI batting.

Fakhar any day over Kane.
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One might not want two Imams or to say Kanes but if you have players like Guptill Munro, Fakhar at the top and some power players in lower middle order they complement them well to take the innings forward till the end while others keep on playing their natural game.
 
In that way Rohit averages 60 in last 5 year, Dhawan averages 49 & Kohli 69 in last 5 years. This is way bigger sample size than you can give.
 
Sam99 said:
In that way Rohit averages 60 in last 5 year, Dhawan averages 49 & Kohli 69 in last 5 years. This is way bigger sample size than you can give.
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I know it might be hard for you to understand, but we're talking about career averages, not cherry picked averages.
 
In a few years, most likely those averages will drop back below 50. I doubt a similar thread will be created once that happens.
 
InziRules said:
I know it might be hard for you to understand, but we're talking about career averages, not cherry picked averages.
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Well then great let's see how long these averages are 50+. I though you are talking about all stars getting aligned and by luck you had few batsman playing one or two series against minnow with great average and you started to call it great.
 
Sam99 said:
Well then great let's see how long these averages are 50+. I though you are talking about all stars getting aligned and by luck you had few batsman playing one or two series against minnow with great average and you started to call it great.
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Is India a minnow?
 
InziRules said:
Is India a minnow?
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wow so you consider just one inning? and i was talking about imam not fakhar (who i feel will average around 42 - 45 till end of carrier). Babar might be only player who can average 50+ for long time.
 
Imam gets too much criticism. He has shown tremendous ability to play big innings consistently. It’s not like Pakistani batsman before him never faced minnow bowling attacks.
 
InziRules said:
I know it might be hard for you to understand, but we're talking about career averages, not cherry picked averages.
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Okay i get your point for not picking cherry picked averages. I was talking about last 5 years performance which is way bigger sample size than your both openers whole carrier who have hardly played any matches. I am not saying they can't avg 50+ but atleast let them play for few more years? Will be more clear after worldcup i would say.
 
Means nothing. These players will be tested in much tougher series
 
We will know about these 3 once they play top teams. But credit to them for those stats.
 
I know it's early in their careers and everything, but it's a pleasant change from seeing Shehzad, Hafeez, Kami and Farhat.
 
Rana said:
Means nothing. These players will be tested in much tougher series
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Our LOI batting used to consist of Ahmed Shehzad, Umar Akmal, Misbah ul Haq, Sohaib Maqsood, Nasir Jamshed, and many others of mediocrity. I wouldn't go as far as to say that this thread means nothing as we finally have a top three we can be excited for in the near future. But yes, I agree we shouldn't go too overboard as Asia Cup, Aus, NZ, SA awaits.
 
Another 10-20 games none of them will be averaging 50.

Imam will be dropped.
Zaman will average in the thirties
Azam will average early 40’s

Poor post. The best top three is India’s

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
 
Titan24 said:
Manipulate? Excuse me, how is this manipulation? I have shared vaild stats. I have also cleared in my other posts that this thread is not intened to tell how good they are but rather how these top 3 have achieved a rare feat.
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Yes bro, I was a bit harsh there, sorry about that.

I see your point now, but personally I still cannot feel good about these stats.

Also, one Kane type of batsman is fine when you have good quality accelerators around.

Don't think NZ has too many though. And we are really really bad at it..
 
Good on Pakistan. Players who average 50+ with the bat in a format must be in the team when playing games of that format.

Only in India can someone like Ambati Rayudu who averages 50+ in 34 ODIs struggle to find place in a team.
 
the_outsider said:
Stats are only meaningful when they are reliable and valid. This is neither.

Sample size is the most critical factor of statistical reliability.

These stats fail that test right away.
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Kohli said:
If you purely depending on stats then add Malik #4 and Asif #5 as well.

Asif averages 50+ and Malik averages 50+ since comeback. But, it doesn't work that way bro.
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Babar has been playing ODI cricket for over 2 years now and to main that consistency is special. Fakhar for about a year and again, to maintain it, as opener, is very good.

Imam is very new and his numbers will drop but there is definite skill on show.

Plus bringing up Malik and trying to discredit him is ridiculous. For almost 3 years now he has been a terrific ODI batsman and reignited his career.
 
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The OP is not saying that Pakistan has the best top three in the world but is simply asking a question if any top three has had averaged all 50+ before? We all acknowledge the fact that they have gotten a lot of these runs against minnows and they are early in their careers.
 
I dont expect Imam to maintain this average, neither the SR. Needs to improve a lot to score against quality attacks. Fakhar and Babar will be top ODI batsmen for their careers, nothwithstanding injury or attitude issues.
 
ChuckLee said:
Another 10-20 games none of them will be averaging 50.

Imam will be dropped.
Zaman will average in the thirties
Azam will average early 40’s

Poor post. The best top three is India’s

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
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And you like most of the so called experts wont be here to accept that you were wrong if that doesnt happen.

Babar averages 54 after 46 matches, it will take regular ducks from him in 10 games to get his avg to early 40s and it still might nlt happen. Thats some cricketing insight you have given. Lol!
 
I am surprised that most people are understanding that the post is to tell how good top 3 of Pak are. I beleive they are good but the point was to share such rare feat without giving fire to any insecurities acroos the border especially.

I wasnt thinking much of the stats, was just sharing them but, now considering how everyone is trying to somehow undermine the stats without me even saying that they represent anything shows there might be something in these stats.
 
Ab Fan said:
Reminds me of Rayudu averaging 50 at a SR of 75.
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Reminds me of how some posters try to manipulate facts based upon their insecurities and biasis along with how poor India’s middle order bench strength is.

Strike Rates

Imam 88
Fakhar 101
Babar 86
 
Titan24 said:
I am surprised that most people are understanding that the post is to tell how good top 3 of Pak are. I beleive they are good but the point was to share such rare feat without giving fire to any insecurities acroos the border especially.

I wasnt thinking much of the stats, was just sharing them but, now considering how everyone is trying to somehow undermine the stats without me even saying that they represent anything shows there might be something in these stats.
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This is a bumpable thread. Haha... Just like FCs India should aim to humiliate ENG. I can see where u are coming from, but this thread doesn't voice ur intentions. Better ask mods to delete this thread already. Lol.
 
Also so called IPL giant Raydu played most of his matches against Zim and all he was able to manage was SR of 75 and he still is part of Indian squad. So much for the overflow of batting talent.
 
Kohli said:
This is a bumpable thread. Haha... Just like FCs India should aim to humiliate ENG. I can see where u are coming from, but this thread doesn't voice ur intentions. Better ask mods to delete this thread already. Lol.
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Its upto people to see the thread the way they want to see, I have stated the facts.
 
shariqnoor said:
Imam generally ends up with a 90+ SR when he makes a big score. So his SR is not an issue. One batsman in the team can take his time. Kane Williamson's SR since WC 2015 is only 84.
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Imam ending up with 90 strike rate does not hide his struggles to hit big or even rotate strike properly throughout his innings. This 90 strike rate is a sham.
 
Madplayer said:
Imam ending up with 90 strike rate does not hide his struggles to hit big or even rotate strike properly throughout his innings. This 90 strike rate is a sham.
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We don't have the luxury of extraordinary batting talent waiting to come in in order for us to be critical of Imam's pacing of innings. The guy is scoring right now and ends up with a 90+ SR by the time he finishes his innings. Would you rather have another batsman in his place who averages 20 but strikes at 120? For us runs are important. Fakhar, Babar, Sarfraz, Shoaib, Asif, Faheem are enough for us to amp the run rate. One batsman acting as the anchor in the team while striking at 90 is more than good. His SR in the initial part of his innings should only be an issue if he stops scoring runs. But I would take 70 of 80 balls every single day of the week from Imam if he's consistent at it.
 
Hawkeye said:
Don't manipulate stats.

We're an average to poor batting side. Thoroughly exposed and deservingly whitewashed in New Zealand.

Have not played any half decent team since then!

These batsmen are decent but the stats are misleading.
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The stats aren't manipulated, you just have to take what they say with a grain of salt.

Fakhar did well enough in NZ, and is clearly better than decent.

But true that NZ tour was a reality check.
 
Stats wise all three still average 50+ but is it better than indian top 3?
 
Pakistan's top 3 averaging 50+ in ODIs

Funny stats:

I haven't created a thread for a while now, but just saw that Imam, Fakhar and Babar all 3 have averages above 50 in ODIs and all have passed 1000 runs.

I know Fakhar rides a lot on that double ton against Zimbabwe but an average of 50 is 50 so not bad.

Would be fun to see how long this can last and how long Imam could stay at 60+, should have stayed NO today though.
 
Pakistan can adopt Rayadu and then have a top 4 who averages 50+.

Imam, Fakhar, Rayadu are all about the same level.
 
It's funny Pakistani fans have been crying for this for decades, even though we've had decent middle order bats at times (e.g. Yousuf, Inzi), we've hardly ever had a strong top order.

The biggest issue is the middle order not the top order. Malik, Sarfraz, Hafeez, Faheem they just haven't been performing well enough in last year or two. They aren't getting the runs, and they're not good at hitting quick runs/improving strike rate. Even in Asia Cup, really it should have been the middle order who cashed out on the spinners but they didn't do that.

If Imad can continue to average 40, batting at 7, he'll be great and giving 10 decent spin overs to partner shadab, honestly will be great. He doesn't need to be that wicket picking bowler, that's Shadab's job.

If I had to rank our biggest problems from biggest to least it'd be Middle order>Pacers>Top Order>Spinners (mainly due to playing 2 spinners, Shadab doing very well, with good part timers too).
 
With 10 onedayers left before launch of world cup I guess should settle as batting unit
With first 3 spots fixed in
Fakhar
Imam
And Babar
My worry is position 4...
And in my opinion Hafeez and Shoaib shouldn't play together.. I would rather play a solid batter in late middle order in the form of Asad Shafiq who can prevent a collapse and even can play briskly...
4.Haris sohail /umar akmal
5 Hafeez
6 Azad shafiq
7 Sarfaraz
8 shahdab /imad Wasim
9 Hassan ali
10 Junaid
11 shaheen
 
indianpanacea said:
With 10 onedayers left before launch of world cup I guess should settle as batting unit
With first 3 spots fixed in
Fakhar
Imam
And Babar
My worry is position 4...
And in my opinion Hafeez and Shoaib shouldn't play together.. I would rather play a solid batter in late middle order in the form of Asad Shafiq who can prevent a collapse and even can play briskly...
4.Haris sohail /umar akmal
5 Hafeez
6 Azad shafiq
7 Sarfaraz
8 shahdab /imad Wasim
9 Hassan ali
10 Junaid
11 shaheen
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Knew it was a troll post when I read Asad
 
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