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Is Sachin Tendulkar really the epitome of cricket integrity?

Railu Katta said:
I never said he was a bad role model but he's not the saint that indians will make him out to be. He was a cheat, selfish and had scuffles and tantrums at his own players.
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Dude, you really want to believe that, don't you?

Unfortunately, repeatedly pronouncing a false allegation thousand times won't make it true.
 
BaankeJi said:
Dude, you really want to believe that, don't you?

Unfortunately, repeatedly pronouncing a false allegation thousand times won't make it true.
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You can clearly see him tampering with the seam. It's unfortunate you have to defend sri tendulkar for being a cheat.
 
Railu Katta said:
You can clearly see him tampering with the seam. It's unfortunate you have to defend sri tendulkar for being a cheat.
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You clearly know he has been acquitted and your saying otherwise will not change it.As much as you lie that fact isnt changing.Its unfortunate that you have to lie to make a point.
 
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Another thing, when has the man considered himself the epitome of integrity? He hasn't. It's just the way that he has conducted himself over the years that he has earned a very good reputation in the cricketing world. Now if anyone expects him to be perfect, the problem lies with the unrealistic expectations. He isn't perfect, he is just another mere mortal.
 
Whether we Pakistanis like it or not, Sachin is a bonafide cricketing great and we should stop trying to downplay his achievements on and off the field.

Maybe all he needed was to praise Akram a few times and do a few tweets about him and we'd be going gaga over him as well.
 
cricketjoshila said:
You clearly know he has been acquitted and your saying otherwise will not change it.As much as you lie that fact isnt changing.Its unfortunate that you have to lie to make a point.
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He was caught on video tampering the ball i.e. he was attempting to cheat that's how reasoning works.

Hitman said:
Another thing, when has the man considered himself the epitome of integrity? He hasn't. It's just the way that he has conducted himself over the years that he has earned a very good reputation in the cricketing world. Now if anyone expects him to be perfect, the problem lies with the unrealistic expectations. He isn't perfect, he is just another mere mortal.
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I didn't say he considers himself epitome of integrity but a lot of people will say that and I was just making a point that he's not the saint that he's made out to be. Of course he conducted himself well but his career isn't blemish-free than someone like say Misbah or Gilchrist.

GoUgandaCranes said:
Whether we Pakistanis like it or not, Sachin is a bonafide cricketing great and we should stop trying to downplay his achievements on and off the field.

Maybe all he needed was to praise Akram a few times and do a few tweets about him and we'd be going gaga over him as well.
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No one is downplaying his achievement, I don't think you read the thread....and no thanks we don't need some random tweets to feel good about our players.
 
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Railu Katta said:
He was caught on video tampering the ball i.e. he was attempting to cheat that's how reasoning works.



I didn't say he considers himself epitome of integrity but a lot of people will say that and I was just making a point that he's not the saint that he's made out to be. Of course he conducted himself well but his career isn't blemish-free than someone like say Misbah or Gilchrist.



No one is downplaying his achievement, I don't think you read the thread....and no thanks we don't need some random tweets to feel good about our players.
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You seem like a desperate hater.. Sachin was never convicted for tampering he was charged with cleaning the grass of the seam of the ball without telling the umpires..

Secondly, in Bhajji’s case any punjabi or northern Indian would know Sachin spoke the truth.. Because they can relate to Bhajji and know the slangs used here.. I am sure Bhajji didn’t even know monkey is a racist term used for people of African descent, these terms are used by whites and hardly anyone in India knew of such racist terms.. Whereas the ‘Teri maa ki’ he used is a daily slang we use here in every fight.. You guys won’t understand it since you are unaware of the Delhi/punjabi culture but regardless Sachin did not lie and while you say I don’t have proof he did not lie you don’t have proof he did lie..
 
Railu Katta said:
He was caught on video tampering the ball i.e. he was attempting to cheat that's how reasoning works.



I didn't say he considers himself epitome of integrity but a lot of people will say that and I was just making a point that he's not the saint that he's made out to be. Of course he conducted himself well but his career isn't blemish-free than someone like say Misbah or Gilchrist.



No one is downplaying his achievement, I don't think you read the thread....and no thanks we don't need some random tweets to feel good about our players.
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I've read the entire thread.

Also about Kohli being loved so much by the Pakistani people has to do a lot with his clever public relations strategy. Maybe you don't need to feel that, but look at any Pakistani social circle and you'll see how much that strategy has worked to Kohli's benefit.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
I've read the entire thread.

Also about Kohli being loved so much by the Pakistani people has to do a lot with his clever public relations strategy. Maybe you don't need to feel that, but look at any Pakistani social circle and you'll see how much that strategy has worked to Kohli's benefit.
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This is so true. People like Sanjay Manjrekar and Harsha Bhogle are aware of Pak fans and try to cater to them by saying random good things. But unlike Kohli , they fell flat on their efforts.
 
WengerOut said:
This is so true. People like Sanjay Manjrekar and Harsha Bhogle are aware of Pak fans and try to cater to them by saying random good things. But unlike Kohli , they fell flat on their efforts.
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Harsha as a commentator in Pakistan is respected. Manjrekar too is considered a good commentator. Everyone knows him as a massive Imran fan but the point is Manjrekar isn't that famous a cricketer. I know of his exploits in one particular series where he outscored everyone and anyone but that was test format and he doesn't have great numbers in ODI cricket.

Kohli has the best PR machine and him saying nice things about Amir has been one of the reasons why he has such a massive fan base in Pakistan. There can be questions like whether he needs that or not but he is seen as a greater ambassador to cricket than Sachin and possibly even Dhoni in Pakistan.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
Harsha as a commentator in Pakistan is respected. Manjrekar too is considered a good commentator. Everyone knows him as a massive Imran fan but the point is Manjrekar isn't that famous a cricketer. I know of his exploits in one particular series where he outscored everyone and anyone but that was test format and he doesn't have great numbers in ODI cricket.

Kohli has the best PR machine and him saying nice things about Amir has been one of the reasons why he has such a massive fan base in Pakistan. There can be questions like whether he needs that or not but he is seen as a greater ambassador to cricket than Sachin and possibly even Dhoni in Pakistan.
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If Harsha is respected, then it is a pity. That guy comes with prepared phrases as jokes and his only intent is to praise players and show to everyone his proficiency in English.
 
I think I will come up with a new thread...Who is the epitome of integrity in Cricket history?

Need some stats on this subject :66:
 
WengerOut said:
If Harsha is respected, then it is a pity. That guy comes with prepared phrases as jokes and his only intent is to praise players and show to everyone his proficiency in English.
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If he comes prepared, that's a good thing.

No?
 
Major said:
Its funny how Indians deny Tendua doing ball tempring
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Bruv is everything ok at home? You just bumped a thread from the last time Pakistan beat India, which is nearly a decade ago; about a player who hasn’t played in nearly 5 years, about an incident that occurred nearly 20 years ago.

I mean there is topical and then there is archival and then there is this. So just checking if everything is ok.
 
He has a very tainted legacy. Indian PR agents have tried to suppress the truth but eventually it will come out.
 
Tendus runs were so soft that even the fixer mafia and fixing team mates didn't bother trying to bribe him. They knew he wouldn't be able to win a match and was more interested in padding.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Tendus runs were so soft that even the fixer mafia and fixing team mates didn't bother trying to bribe him. They knew he wouldn't be able to win a match and was more interested in padding.
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his last century was hilarious. The way he became desperate for a record and than BCCI had to arrange a series with West Indies for it
 
18,426 ODI runs.
15,921 Test runs.
51 Test centuries.
49 ODI centuries.
201 International wickets.
2011 World Cup winner.
Orange Cap winner.
IPL winner.

Happy Birthday to one of the Greatest of All time - Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar
 
Hitman said:
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What i admire the most about him, is that he came at a time when India was rubbish and the talent was dry.

Unlike today where Aus and India have a massive advantage due to quality of coaching, pitches and mentoring + networks,

Sachin came at a time when India had none of that and you could clearly tell the talent was utterly rubbish.

He just like Bradman had no connections, no added advantages, nor did he have any developed facilities to up his game. Probably explains why Bradman respects him so much since he probably saw his modern era equivalent at the crease.
 
mominsaigol said:
What i admire the most about him, is that he came at a time when India was rubbish and the talent was dry.

Unlike today where Aus and India have a massive advantage due to quality of coaching, pitches and mentoring + networks,

Sachin came at a time when India had none of that and you could clearly tell the talent was utterly rubbish.

He just like Bradman had no connections, no added advantages, nor did he have any developed facilities to up his game. Probably explains why Bradman respects him so much since he probably saw his modern era equivalent at the crease.
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If Sachin had one bumrah in his prime, we would have won more world cups and overseas series for sure. Just one Bumrah.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Tendus runs were so soft that even the fixer mafia and fixing team mates didn't bother trying to bribe him. They knew he wouldn't be able to win a match and was more interested in padding.
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Stats simply don't back your assertion, he scored runs at high strike rate (for his time) at crucial times.

Sarcasm only works if it's backed with some truth otherwise it just falls back on the person making the claim.
 
Sachin fan said:
Stats simply don't back your assertion, he scored runs at high strike rate (for his time) at crucial times.

Sarcasm only works if it's backed with some truth otherwise it just falls back on the person making the claim.
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I will reply to you in 3 days on this topic due to the birthday celebrations.

If I forget please tag me on 27 April bro.
 
Sachin fan said:
If Sachin had one bumrah in his prime, we would have won more world cups and overseas series for sure. Just one Bumrah.
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Probably but it would have been difficult to defeat classic Aus. India would have still been badly outgunned.

The situation in tests would be similar to current BGT except even worse since India had to deal with smith and Travis mainly whereas they'd be dealing with an entire plethora of 7 quality test batters.

Hence one bumrah just like BGT wouldn't change the outcome as the rest would atill be rubbish. Infact it would be even worse as no more easy wickets like khawaja and konstas, you'd be dealing with Justin and Hayden.

Then theirs Mcgrath to deal with. India likely would have still gotten clapped
 
Sachin, Dravid, Amla and Kane Williamson.

These players are all acknowledged by their peer cricketers as respected gentlemen and they have never been involved in confrontation or had testy relationships with other players.

Neither have they been involved in any indiscretions or had off field controversies in their personal or professional lives.

They are real ambassadors of gentlemen's game.
 
Epitome of cricket integrity would be Adam Gilchrist. He always used to walk.

He even walked during a crucial WC 2003 game.
 
mominsaigol said:
Probably but it would have been difficult to defeat classic Aus. India would have still been badly outgunned.

The situation in tests would be similar to current BGT except even worse since India had to deal with smith and Travis mainly whereas they'd be dealing with an entire plethora of 7 quality test batters.

Hence one bumrah just like BGT wouldn't change the outcome as the rest would atill be rubbish. Infact it would be even worse as no more easy wickets like khawaja and konstas, you'd be dealing with Justin and Hayden.

Then theirs Mcgrath to deal with. India likely would have still gotten clapped
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I believe you are talking about Tests in Australia. In that case, I agree with you. In Indian conditions, the greatest Australian team competed well, but didn't outgun India in any real sense.
 
Sachin fan said:
Stats simply don't back your assertion, he scored runs at high strike rate (for his time) at crucial times.

Sarcasm only works if it's backed with some truth otherwise it just falls back on the person making the claim.
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Sachin SR is 86.

Inzy 74, Anwar 80, Yousuf 75, Miandad 67. They all average below Sachin too and have lower strike rates and lack of longevity also.
 
Tendulkar was a great batter, undoubtedly. His technique was almost perfect. That inning against Australia in Australia, where he played not even a single cover drive because he was struggling playing that shot earlier, that was thinking and game awareness of the highest caliber. GOAT batter for a reason.
 
In test cricket Sachin is below Bradman Sobers and Steve Smith. I'd say he's > Viv in test cricket though and easily > Lara and Ponting.

In Odi cricket he's below Viv but > Every other batsmen who's played odi cricket. Kohli is debatable but I dont see kohli doing well in the one ball era mainly because Mcgrath would have exposed his 3rd offstump line weakness.

Although kohli would still be Ponting level in the one ball era.
 
Sachin fan said:
Stats simply don't back your assertion, he scored runs at high strike rate (for his time) at crucial times.

Sarcasm only works if it's backed with some truth otherwise it just falls back on the person making the claim.
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A bookie confessed in 2000 that no bookie used to bet on results as long as Sachin was on the crease. It was only after he was dismissed that the bets happened. That was his impact.

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DeadlyVenom said:
Tendus runs were so soft that even the fixer mafia and fixing team mates didn't bother trying to bribe him. They knew he wouldn't be able to win a match and was more interested in padding.
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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:🤡🤡🤡🤡


Dr. Irani stated that he had never heard anything adverse regarding Tendulkar. In fact, in most of matches where fixing was taking place, the clue was that the game would be 'on' only when Tendulkar got 'out' because he was one player who could single-handedly win the match and upset any calculation.
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Link: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...lated-malpractices-section-3-statements-91420
 
Hitman said:
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:🤡🤡🤡🤡




Link: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...lated-malpractices-section-3-statements-91420
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He's lying about the story fam. 17 years ago, 2 bookies didn't bother approaching 2 cricketers, Sachin and dravid cause they knew these 2 would not flip.

It's something they themselves admitted. Sachin and Dravid were the first 2 people they wanted to approach due to their status but they knew these 2 were offlimits when it came to integrity.

Otherwise Sachin and dravid were their first choice since taking these 2 out of the equation would result in a certified loss for India.

During India's glorious test team Sachin was 50% of the batting side followed by sravid being the other 30%, Followed by the rest.

Occasionally Laxman can be considered the other 10% but that was only during his one hit fakhar zaman wonder days
 
mominsaigol said:
He's lying about the story fam. 17 years ago, 2 bookies didn't bother approaching 2 cricketers, Sachin and dravid cause they knew these 2 would not flip.

It's something they themselves admitted. Sachin and Dravid were the first 2 people they wanted to approach due to their status but they knew these 2 were offlimits when it came to integrity.

Otherwise Sachin and dravid were their first choice since taking these 2 out of the equation would result in a certified loss for India.

During India's glorious test team Sachin was 50% of the batting side followed by sravid being the other 30%, Followed by the rest.

Occasionally Laxman can be considered the other 10% but that was only during his one hit fakhar zaman wonder days
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Sorry 27 years ago, not 17, my bad
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Tendus runs were so soft that even the fixer mafia and fixing team mates didn't bother trying to bribe him. They knew he wouldn't be able to win a match and was more interested in padding.
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You won't reply to this you posted here? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Tendus runs were so soft that even the fixer mafia and fixing team mates didn't bother trying to bribe him. They knew he wouldn't be able to win a match and was more interested in padding.
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Here's a reminder -

Dr. Irani stated that he had never heard anything adverse regarding Tendulkar. In fact, in most of matches where fixing was taking place, the clue was that the game would be 'on' only when Tendulkar got 'out' because he was one player who could single-handedly win the match and upset any calculation.
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Link: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...lated-malpractices-section-3-statements-91420
 
@Hitman I have clearly stated I don't want to disrupt the little man's birthday by talking about legacies. You will get your reply once the festivities are over.

In the meantime please allow the birthday celebrations for our little brother to continue uninterrupted.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
@Hitman I have clearly stated I don't want to disrupt the little man's birthday by talking about legacies. You will get your reply once the festivities are over.

In the meantime please allow the birthday celebrations for our little brother to continue uninterrupted.
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If you had any reply to your comments, you would have posted them. I have posted comments straight from CBI's finding. Those are not my opinions, those are comments from people who were involved and had knowledge about betting and fixing.
 
Hitman said:
If you had any reply to your comments, you would have posted them. I have posted comments straight from CBI's finding. Those are not my opinions, those are comments from people who were involved and had knowledge about betting and fixing.
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Time to debunk the Sachin soft run scorer myth for all. You're free to copy paste my comment if you wish.

1) An embarrassed bat-raise and a bottle of unopened champagne – When Sachin Tendulkar, 17, saved the 1990 Manchester Test with his maiden ton. Watch: At Old Trafford in 1990, Sachin Tendulkar helped India save a Test match with his maiden international hundred. INDIA were going to lose this test match, Tenda + Manoj saved it.

2) 241 vs Australia. He achieved this in classic Australia's own den, the series was drawn but aus would have won 2-1 had Tendulkar not done what he did, its also why i dont rate Laxman, people forget that he had papa Tendulkar to coach him that day.

3) 175 vs Aus, Aus won that match by 3 runs, but i have seen highlights, it was a lone warrior knock, it was tendulkar vs Aus sonce no one else did a damn thing. He nearly chased 350 by himself in the one ball era.

4) Speaking of which, we have his iconic 143 desert knock vs Classic Aus, he single handiest won that game, India was getting fried, the 2nd highest scorer that day was Nayan who made 35. India was collapsing like a house of bricks, Tendulkar single handidelt won a game against one of the best attacks of all time.

^^ This innings was so good that Aussies dubbed it as the desert storm, he chased this down in bad conditions as well.

^^ These are 4 solid knocks especially his desert storm knock, but their plenty more especially in test cricket.

Soft run scorer was only during 2012 but that was at the absolute end of his career. Extremely petty to label one asia cup knock vs Bangladesh and label him as a stat padder.
 
This where I would classify each player who's played the game.

Tier 0: Bradman

Mainly because hes good in his era, that everyone else is 2nd fiddle.

Tier 1

Sachin, Gary Sobers, Viv Richards

Tier 2

Steve Smith(Would be tier 1 if he was good in ODI), Virat Kohli(Would be tier 1 if he was good in test cricket), Lara, Ponting and a few others

Tier 3

Gilchrist, Jaysuria, Sangakara, Bevan, Kallis, Hayden and a few others

Tier 4

Sehwag, Rohit, Quinton, Dhoni, Yuvi, Warner, Damien Martyn, Gibbs, KP, Chris Gayle, Younis Khan, Inzi etc etc

Tier 5

Root, Amla, Yousaf, Travis Head etc etc

Everyone else doesn't deserve any tiers, the likes of Babar, Kane Williamson, don't deserve a spot.
 
mominsaigol said:
This where I would classify each player who's played the game.

Tier 0: Bradman

Mainly because hes good in his era, that everyone else is 2nd fiddle.

Tier 1

Sachin, Gary Sobers, Viv Richards

Tier 2

Steve Smith(Would be tier 1 if he was good in ODI), Virat Kohli(Would be tier 1 if he was good in test cricket), Lara, Ponting and a few others

Tier 3

Gilchrist, Jaysuria, Sangakara, Bevan, Kallis, Hayden and a few others

Tier 4

Sehwag, Rohit, Quinton, Dhoni, Yuvi, Warner, Damien Martyn, Gibbs, KP, Chris Gayle, Younis Khan, Inzi etc etc

Tier 5

Root, Amla, Yousaf, Travis Head etc etc

Everyone else doesn't deserve any tiers, the likes of Babar, Kane Williamson, don't deserve a spot.
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I am a big Yuvi fan but even I wouldn’t rate him higher than Root and Williamson as a cricketer.

Root is Englands best batsman of last 50 years, Williamson is Nz greatest rver batsman.

Your list is based on personal liking not universal perspective.

Whats Bevan doing in tier 3? He was As good as Kallis?

Travis Head does not belong there as I can’t see Sidhu there.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
I am a big Yuvi fan but even I wouldn’t rate him higher than Root and Williamson as a cricketer.

Root is Englands best batsman of last 50 years, Williamson is Nz greatest rver batsman.

Your list is based on personal liking not universal perspective.

Whats Bevan doing in tier 3? He was As good as Kallis?

Travis Head does not belong there as I can’t see Sidhu there.
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Williamson is not that good a cricketer. Brendon Mccullum and Martin Guptill were better.

He's an average odi batsmen who looked good because he carried a fragile NZ batting lineup before players like rachin Ravindra, Mitchell, Chapman and various others strengthened it. 2015-2019 NZ is an extremely fragile batting lineup due to their old legends ageing.

In test cricket he's good on home soil, he's crap in 4+ countries. Not a good test cricketer despite that fraud 54 avg.

Head is the best all format batsmen of this era, period. He belongs their. Stop looking at test cricket only. He's a solid all format batsmen and his world cup 100 × wtc final 100 × BGT double century spam sealed his legacy ahead of siddu.

Kallis > Bevan in test cricket of which I'm giving a higher priority towards. BEVAN in odi > Kallis but kallis was a decent bowler as well which is why he gets higher priority.

KP is better then Root in all formats. Root is only better in test but Root is overrated. He's not as good as people make him out to be. He's very good but not that good.

Yuvi is 100% > Root and Williamson as a cricketer. He won an entire cup for India which sealed his legacy. 2007-2011 Yuvi was next level. Cancer and post Cancer Yuvi was bang avg and waste of space in the indian lineup
 
mominsaigol said:
Williamson is not that good a cricketer. Brendon Mccullum and Martin Guptill were better.

He's an average odi batsmen who looked good because he carried a fragile NZ batting lineup before players like rachin Ravindra, Mitchell, Chapman and various others strengthened it. 2015-2019 NZ is an extremely fragile batting lineup due to their old legends ageing.

In test cricket he's good on home soil, he's crap in 4+ countries. Not a good test cricketer despite that fraud 54 avg.

Head is the best all format batsmen of this era, period. He belongs their. Stop looking at test cricket only. He's a solid all format batsmen and his world cup 100 × wtc final 100 × BGT double century spam sealed his legacy ahead of siddu.

Kallis > Bevan in test cricket of which I'm giving a higher priority towards. BEVAN in odi > Kallis but kallis was a decent bowler as well which is why he gets higher priority.

KP is better then Root in all formats. Root is only better in test but Root is overrated. He's not as good as people make him out to be. He's very good but not that good.

Yuvi is 100% > Root and Williamson as a cricketer. He won an entire cup for India which sealed his legacy. 2007-2011 Yuvi was next level. Cancer and post Cancer Yuvi was bang avg and waste of space in the indian lineup
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Agree to disagree, I don’t the the cricketing world would ever rate Yuvi ahead of Root and Williamson.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Agree to disagree, I don’t the the cricketing world would ever rate Yuvi ahead of Root and Williamson.
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If they don't then their purely speaking from a test cricket perspective which is fine.

Yuvi overall has a much bigger impact in whiteball. Root is the only one I can debatable put alongside yuvi.

Williamson i don't rate at all
 
One of the most overrated batsmen in this history of the game.

Was an absolute sook when he didn't get his way, still is.
 
Sachin played in 1-ball era against some great bowlers. Not like today, it is easy but that era had its own difficulties and sachin did score heavily and won games for India...NO??
 
Bhaijaan said:
Mind you Ian Bishop at his peak was a terrifying pacer. If his career wasn’t wrecked by injuries he would have been one of the greats.
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You're mistaken. So what he was a fine fast bowler, so what he was terrifying at his peak, he still doesn't compare to the exemplary Pakistani posters with exemplary knowledge, most of whom didn't even watch cricket in the 90's.​
 
mominsaigol said:
This where I would classify each player who's played the game.

Tier 0: Bradman

Mainly because hes good in his era, that everyone else is 2nd fiddle.

Tier 1

Sachin, Gary Sobers, Viv Richards

Tier 2

Steve Smith(Would be tier 1 if he was good in ODI), Virat Kohli(Would be tier 1 if he was good in test cricket), Lara, Ponting and a few others

Tier 3

Gilchrist, Jaysuria, Sangakara, Bevan, Kallis, Hayden and a few others

Tier 4

Sehwag, Rohit, Quinton, Dhoni, Yuvi, Warner, Damien Martyn, Gibbs, KP, Chris Gayle, Younis Khan, Inzi etc etc

Tier 5

Root, Amla, Yousaf, Travis Head etc etc

Everyone else doesn't deserve any tiers, the likes of Babar, Kane Williamson, don't deserve a spot.
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I think you got this very much spot on.

I like your understanding on Tier-3 batters. Many people tend to overrate Sangakkara and Kallis but they weren’t seriously impactful batters as compared to higher tier batters you mentioned.
 
Bhaijaan said:
I think you got this very much spot on.

I like your understanding on Tier-3 batters. Many people tend to overrate Sangakkara and Kallis but they weren’t seriously impactful batters as compared to higher tier batters you mentioned.
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Sangakara and Kallis are solid batters, so i disagree with the impactful claim. They have played impactful knocks but yes you may consider them minnow bashers as well.

It's just that Tier 2 is extremely high. It's reserved for Kohli, Ponting, Lara, Sunny, Rahul Dravid and a few others.

Tier 1 is too much, since I don't consider anyone on that list except for viv, sachin and sobers. Maybe a few others like Jack Hobbs, Wally Hammond, Victor Trumper etc etc.

The only reason I put Bradman at 0 is because yes, the era's were different but to be an outlier would logically put you at that no, the whole Bradman played in an amateur era or only played on one pitch, doesn't really make any sense, since no batsmen in this era would be able to play in that era.

The bat quality, lack of equipment would essentially mean that they would have to relearn cricket since sweep shots, cut shots, cover drives aren't possible in that era. Bradman had to swing his bat 180 degrees to play a drive with those bats. Not the same in this era where you can just nudge it to the boundary.

Similarly pull shots were kinda impossible to play in that era. The bat didn't really have much force to reach the boundary and batters wouldn't play the shot cause lack of protection could signal death. No concussion checks either.

But yes, Bradman likely wouldn't be able to adjust to this era either since the bowlers are better, every pitch has different conditons and he hinself would have to relearn cricket with modern equipment and modern rules.
 
Hitman said:
You're mistaken. So what he was a fine fast bowler, so what he was terrifying at his peak, he still doesn't compare to the exemplary Pakistani posters with exemplary knowledge, most of whom didn't even watch cricket in the 90's.​
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Bhaijaan said:
Mind you Ian Bishop at his peak was a terrifying pacer. If his career wasn’t wrecked by injuries he would have been one of the greats.
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Peak Ian Bishop is > Any Pakistani and any Indian pacer ever. However due to injuries he won't even be considered in the league of Akram due to not having the same record.
 
mominsaigol said:
Sangakara and Kallis are solid batters, so i disagree with the impactful claim. They have played impactful knocks but yes you may consider them minnow bashers as well.

It's just that Tier 2 is extremely high. It's reserved for Kohli, Ponting, Lara, Sunny, Rahul Dravid and a few others.

Tier 1 is too much, since I don't consider anyone on that list except for viv, sachin and sobers. Maybe a few others like Jack Hobbs, Wally Hammond, Victor Trumper etc etc.

The only reason I put Bradman at 0 is because yes, the era's were different but to be an outlier would logically put you at that no, the whole Bradman played in an amateur era or only played on one pitch, doesn't really make any sense, since no batsmen in this era would be able to play in that era.

The bat quality, lack of equipment would essentially mean that they would have to relearn cricket since sweep shots, cut shots, cover drives aren't possible in that era. Bradman had to swing his bat 180 degrees to play a drive with those bats. Not the same in this era where you can just nudge it to the boundary.

Similarly pull shots were kinda impossible to play in that era. The bat didn't really have much force to reach the boundary and batters wouldn't play the shot cause lack of protection could signal death. No concussion checks either.

But yes, Bradman likely wouldn't be able to adjust to this era either since the bowlers are better, every pitch has different conditons and he hinself would have to relearn cricket with modern equipment and modern rules.
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Bradman is incomparable.
Arguably the greatest sportsperson ever.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Bradman is incomparable.
Arguably the greatest sportsperson ever.
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They all have a metric to be proud of.

1) Bradman: The Outlier

2) Sobers: Most complete player of all time( Can bat, bowl, field and captain and is an atg in every metric since he's too good in all departments)

3) Viv: Most terrifying batsmen of all time

4) Sachin: Most complete batter of all time.

This is why some people will probably rate Steve Smith below Sachin in test. Smith is better tactically and has a much better conversion rate, he's also played more atg innings then Sachin in test, but God damn is he ugly as batter. Smith mistimes everything and never looks settled.

It's why he's poor in odi and t20. He's had a purple patch in odi in 2015 but post 2015 he was mostly just an odi Indian basher and after that he declined post 2021 in all departments.

It's just in odi and t20 you can't force a bowler to bowl to your strengths like you can in tests, Sachin would always have an edge since he can attack you at your strongest while Smith has to force a bowler to bowl otherwise.

Although Steve Smith is way >>>>>>>> Rahul Dravid who utilised the same tactic in test aka force the bowler to bowl to your strengths.
 
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