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Is SuryaKumar Yadav the most overrated/overhyped player ever?

Fans' reactions don't decide how good a player someone is. Somehow this desperation for validation makes people lose their minds. Steady guys generally fly under the radar. Someone who is outrageous will always get attention. Despite other seamers doing just as well, Haris Rauf stole the lion's share of attention due to his pace. That is just the way it is. Maverick impact players will get more appreciation due to their WOW factor. Finn Allen vs Conway? Who is being talked about more? Obviously Finn Allen.
 
RexRex said:
Oh the penny drops. You have grown envious and miss the hey days of Holding and Bumble when they used to sing praises about everything Pakistani. English commentators on SKY and TMS were in complete thrall of Pak talent because of what they endured on the 1992 and 96 test tours.

Don't worry, you still have Nasser. He has been sharpening his mic and is raring to go for the semifinal. He loves a Pakistani hot streak and saves his best for them.
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oh so it wasn't just me, always thought nasser hussain likes when pak is on top. pak's famous moments vs ind in the recent past like amir in 2017 and shaheen in 2021 running through indian top order came when nasser was on air, and he called them great. Good for pak fans.
 
Batters to score more than 1,000 runs and have a strike rate of more than 150 in men's T20I for India:

SURYAKUMAR YADAV.

End of list.

#T20WorldCup   
 
Msd_7 said:
Batters to score more than 1,000 runs and have a strike rate of more than 150 in men's T20I for India:

SURYAKUMAR YADAV.

End of list.

#T20WorldCup   
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Not just for India but overall.
 
I do not have any expectations from.SKY nor i think he should hyped so much as many before him were hyped and than disappointed
Let him achieve something big first
 
loves_cricket said:
I do not have any expectations from.SKY nor i think he should hyped so much as many before him were hyped and than disappointed
Let him achieve something big first
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We don't really have to tie "championship title" "knockout performances" to appreciate ability. The whole hype is all about ability. Not about where he performs. Gambhir played 2 clutch knocks in two major world cup finals. Always respected for that. But when you are talking about ability we don't say Gambhir is better than Sehwag.
 
ex-q-zit said:
Have you seen matches of the 90s? Sachin was like a lone warrior. Teams and fans alike would feel India would lose the match once his wicket was taken. Hence he was forced to excercise caution until the likes of Sourav, Sehwag, Yuvi etc came on.

In 90s he was similar to how Misbah was in 2010s. We ahve seen Misbah stranded at 1 end most of the times while batsmen fell like 9 pins on the other end. WC 2011 and WC 2015 matches against India are prime examples. Misbah is blamed for playing tuk tuk but people forget that if he would have thrown his wicket pakistan would have been bundled out much earlier in both matches.

Can you name 1 Pakistani ex cricketer who bashed Sachin as selfish? They all regard him highly from Wasim to Shoaib Akhtar, Inzamam to Afridi. Similar Indian players hold Pak players in high regards. This has not been a recent tradition. Recently Sunny Gavaskar visited Zaheer Abbas when he was hospitalised. Similarly when Bishan Bedi visited Kartarpur Intiqab Alam visited him.

Both Indian and Pakistani players have been holding each otehr in high regard since long. Atleast its been teh case since the 4 decades that I have been following cricket. Not sure what gave you the idea that this camaraderie is new and Pak ex-cricketers used to bash sachin.
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Sachin selfish in the 90's? I have heard this for the first time. Sachin was the only Indian player who has a SR in mid to late 80's in the 90's. He just took too much risk in the 90's. He was the only Indian batter who could score at a high pace in the team. It is not like he had Rohit at the top and Yuvraj, Raina & Dhoni after him in the 90's. So no, no one called Sachin selfish in the 90's. He was in most All time world XI's by the time he was 25, called as mirror image of himself by Bradman. No one other than probably Pakistan & Indian fans who never watched cricket in the 90's called him that.
 
giri26 said:
Sachin selfish in the 90's? I have heard this for the first time. Sachin was the only Indian player who has a SR in mid to late 80's in the 90's. He just took too much risk in the 90's. He was the only Indian batter who could score at a high pace in the team. It is not like he had Rohit at the top and Yuvraj, Raina & Dhoni after him in the 90's. So no, no one called Sachin selfish in the 90's. He was in most All time world XI's by the time he was 25, called as mirror image of himself by Bradman. No one other than probably Pakistan & Indian fans who never watched cricket in the 90's called him that.
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Sachin similar to Misbah? lol he was anything but Misbah. Sachin in his first game opening for India in ODIs scored a 48 ball 82. He constantly hit the ball in the air in the first 15 overs to give India the kind of starts required in ODIs. In Tests he was lone warrior in overseas Tests until Dravid & Ganguly established themselves. Even then Sachin never was a slow scorer. He always played his shots and none of his hundreds were slow or boring.
 
Will depend upon the next game, as [MENTION=6745]DHONI183[/MENTION] pointed out yesterday we haven't won a single KO game since 2013 unless it was BD we were playing against, it was a tough realization and maybe that's too much to ask of SKY but Yuvi Dhoni are legends because of that.
 
JaDed said:
Will depend upon the next game, as [MENTION=6745]DHONI183[/MENTION] pointed out yesterday we haven't won a single KO game since 2013 unless it was BD we were playing against, it was a tough realization and maybe that's too much to ask of SKY but Yuvi Dhoni are legends because of that.
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India's last knockout win was not in 2013. We won the knockout in 2014 T20 WC against SA. In 2015 & 2017 also we won but those were against BD.
 
giri26 said:
India's last knockout win was not in 2013. We won the knockout in 2014 T20 WC against SA. In 2015 & 2017 also we won but those were against BD.
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My bad meant after 2014 as in the post in other thread by Dhoni183
 
JaDed said:
My bad meant after 2014 as in the post in other thread by Dhoni183
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A knockout is a knockout whether its against BD or ENG. SA got knocked out in must win match against netherlands. ENG was knocked out by BD in QF of 2015. KOs bring in their own set of pressure irrespective of opponent if you take them lightly.
 
ex-q-zit said:
A knockout is a knockout whether its against BD or ENG. SA got knocked out in must win match against netherlands. ENG was knocked out by BD in QF of 2015. KOs bring in their own set of pressure irrespective of opponent if you take them lightly.
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Not really.. for a team with our pedigree that's not great for past 8 years.
 
Failed in the most important match against good bowlrrs :))) :)))

Quick, invite bangladesh and zimbabwe for mr. 420
 
Should work on his game awareness. Rashid was bowling his last over. Sometimes you should respect the bowler and let him complete his overs. There were other bowlers to target. :inti
 
SKY wicket today

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I have said it before and will say it again.
FTB, Minnow basher.
Innings against SA was just a fluke.
 
Absolute minnow basher. Didnt show up against Pakistam or a budget england bowling attack. Riz and Babar showed him how to perform in a semi final!
 
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For all the posters who bought Rizwan in the discussion, atleast Rizwan performed where it mattered
 
Stupid posts from Major as always. Yes, India lost badly today, and enjoy it if you want to, but SKY was bound to fail some day and it happened today.
 
SKY is a high risk high reward player. Such players would be in the minds of opposition as first name you decide to plan against.

That is also the reason why ABD find it hard in the World T20 tournament. They just can't go under the radar and end up playing a great knock in big game.
 
Absolutely... He built up his numbers by smashing minnows.
 
Major said:
For all the posters who bought Rizwan in the discussion, atleast Rizwan performed where it mattered
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Haris > Rizwan in terms of impact. This is a fact A 20 ball from Haris > 20 ball from Rizwan. Since you have this biased view about Indian players i am explaining in simple terms why such impact players are important and valued.
 
Third Man said:
Stupid posts from Major as always. Yes, India lost badly today, and enjoy it if you want to, but SKY was bound to fail some day and it happened today.
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Lol what is bound to fail?

There are games that matter and there are games that dont matter.

Semi finals or finals are games that really matter and if you cant live up to the hype where it matters than what you do in leagues or in other normal games dont matter sorry.
It was all sky sky sky, and than england showed them what is real batting.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Haris > Rizwan in terms of impact. This is a fact A 20 ball from Haris > 20 ball from Rizwan. Since you have this biased view about Indian players i am explaining in simple terms why such impact players are important and valued.
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Is this a harris vs rizwan thread?
 
Major said:
Is this a harris vs rizwan thread?
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SInce you do not have an iota of clue about what an impact player does i had to explin in a different way. You oversimplify is saying things like "team didn't win so his 117 in 57 balls is over-rated". So i had to tell you in a different language. Seems like it is way over your head. Okay i give up. I tried lol
 
Major said:
For all the posters who bought Rizwan in the discussion, atleast Rizwan performed where it mattered
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So last few games didn't matter? Right! You get to learn something new everyday!
 
MP2011 said:
So last few games didn't matter? Right! You get to learn something new everyday!
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So performance against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Netherlands more important than semi final performance?

Ok, you may celebrate those wins.
 
Major said:
So performance against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Netherlands more important than semi final performance?

Ok, you may celebrate those wins.
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So you'd have reached SF without defeating BD, NL! Well done.
 
MP2011 said:
So you'd have reached SF without defeating BD, NL! Well done.
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Those are teams you are suppose to perform and will perform. Even ahmed shewed has a 100 against Bangladesh in t20.

I hate amir, but one thing amir is known is that in a crucial match he would give his A game..

This semi final was a match where India could had finally gone into a icc final post Dhoni. There was soo much hype about sky, and what does sky does?

Gets out to Adil rashid.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Should work on his game awareness. Rashid was bowling his last over. Sometimes you should respect the bowler and let him complete his overs. There were other bowlers to target. :inti
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When the first three players are consolidators, with expectation that MO is responsible for enforcement for the second half of the innings, it becomes that much difficult for players like him. But end of the day it was a wrong shot, not just the execution but the selection itself.
 
Sky is hardly the issue with this line up. He did his part. The point is the front three did nothing contextual while the opening pair has been an abject failure this tournament.
 
Major said:
Those are teams you are suppose to perform and will perform. Even ahmed shewed has a 100 against Bangladesh in t20.

I hate amir, but one thing amir is known is that in a crucial match he would give his A game..

This semi final was a match where India could had finally gone into a icc final post Dhoni. There was soo much hype about sky, and what does sky does?

Gets out to Adil rashid.
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Adil Rasheed is a very clever bowler, mixes his deliveries so very well, googlies, leg spin, top spinner. He has everything in his arsenal, getting him off isn't easy for anyone, let alone for a batsman who plays such a high risk game. Some days, it'll come off, some days it won't.

Atm, Sky is least of our worries. However, rest of our team is. I used to be a doubter of Sky's abilities in a world event which was true too.

But must say, there is huge difference between how he approaches T20 cricket and how rest of our bats approach T20 cricket!
 
As far as most overrated player prize is concerned, KL Rahul takes the prize by a country mile. Nobody comes close and I don't see who in their sane mind can debate further.
 
RajBan said:
Sky is hardly the issue with this line up. He did his part. The point is the front three did nothing contextual while the opening pair has been an abject failure this tournament.
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And we still kept playing them in each and every game we played not just in this year's edition but also the last year's edition! No wonder we were mauled today! We deserved every bit of this mauling.
 
I wouldn't blame SKY here at all, if anything I'm glad he plays for the team unlike some others.
 
MP2011 said:
And we still kept playing them in each and every game we played not just in this year's edition but also the last year's edition! No wonder we were mauled today! We deserved every bit of this mauling.
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Wait till he becomes the next ODI captain next year after India crashes out in equally humiliating fashion
 
Major said:
Those are teams you are suppose to perform and will perform. Even ahmed shewed has a 100 against Bangladesh in t20.

I hate amir, but one thing amir is known is that in a crucial match he would give his A game..

This semi final was a match where India could had finally gone into a icc final post Dhoni. There was soo much hype about sky, and what does sky does?

Gets out to Adil rashid.
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Bro you're implying that Rashid is mediocre.

He's a world class white ball spinner. He was superb against good players of spin.
 
topspin said:
Bro you're implying that Rashid is mediocre.

He's a world class white ball spinner. He was superb against good players of spin.
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I don't rate Adil, he only plays cause England lacks spinner options. The guy gives too much flight and any good player is able to smack him easily.

He's not world class, he just dominates in a world where players suck against spin and with very good spin bowlers.

I remember when Yasin shah and Rashid came up and Shane warne ignored Rashid cause he was nothing special.

Yes hats off to Rashid that with his limited abilities he was able to create a good career in limited overs.

Anyways, for a guy like SKY who is hyped soo much as being the best batter, Rashid should had been an easy target for mr.360
 
All i heard during india worldcup campaign sky this sky that .He certainly didn't live up to the expectations
 
Major said:
Those are teams you are suppose to perform and will perform. Even ahmed shewed has a 100 against Bangladesh in t20.

I hate amir, but one thing amir is known is that in a crucial match he would give his A game..

This semi final was a match where India could had finally gone into a icc final post Dhoni. There was soo much hype about sky, and what does sky does?

Gets out to Adil rashid.
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You know there's a difference between a bowler and a batman right? If a bowler bowls a bad delivery, he can come back again and still bowl a great spell. When a batsman plays a bad or miscued shot, he's just out most of the time.

So unless this is the 3rd or 4th semi-final SKY has played, it's stupid to say he's overrated or that he can't score in big games.
 
Watching him at this World Cup there’s no doubt I’ve had to reassess my opinion of him. He has one of the best T20 games ever.

But having a great game means nothing when you fail in every pressure encounter.

All 3 Pakistan matches
T20 Semi final

Another Indian sensation who turns out to be a choker. The list is growing
 
Hope he doesn’t change because of this, he is our Sehwag type of player and need to give him more chances and chuck the damn openers out.
 
I only rate Kohli and SKY and to some extend Pandya in this indian team all the rest are average or below average.
 
shamaan said:
I only rate Kohli and SKY and to some extend Pandya in this indian team all the rest are average or below average.
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I also only rate Kohli, SKY, Pant and Pandya in this team and rest are average or below average in my opinion. None of the bowlers really in this format worth getting rated highly
 
So yesterday vs Eng he top edged a boundary for 4 behind the keeper..commies were like: “how did he do that, how did he get it there?”. Lol. Okay we get he can play 360 but it was a top edge fgs not genius.
 
Third Man said:
You know there's a difference between a bowler and a batman right? If a bowler bowls a bad delivery, he can come back again and still bowl a great spell. When a batsman plays a bad or miscued shot, he's just out most of the time.

So unless this is the 3rd or 4th semi-final SKY has played, it's stupid to say he's overrated or that he can't score in big games.
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:facepalm: it was an example
 
Ab Fan said:
I also only rate Kohli, SKY, Pant and Pandya in this team and rest are average or below average in my opinion. None of the bowlers really in this format worth getting rated highly
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Unfortunately have to agree with you on this one no one else even has a winning attitude.
 
ex-q-zit said:
A knockout is a knockout whether its against BD or ENG. SA got knocked out in must win match against netherlands. ENG was knocked out by BD in QF of 2015. KOs bring in their own set of pressure irrespective of opponent if you take them lightly.
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A knock-out match is a knock-out match indeed, and this is exactly why an overall negative reading of 5-2 from the recent five ICC tournaments doesn't reflect well on a big team like India. It won't appear as a problem, and will neither be eradicated, as long as it is not acknowledged as a problem.

Interestingly, an Indian channel picked up the same stat which I pointed out in my preview of the Semi-Final and, based on that, they were claiming that the team is slowly slipping into the "chokers" territory. The tags aren´t important here, obviously, as these adjectives are a matter of opinion and perspective, but the stat remains there, regardless of what one says. Also, the reason why the stat becomes worthy of discussion is that the two knock-out matches have come only against Bangladesh. If the Indian team had managed to slip in a win against one of the major teams in a knock-out match in one of the five recent ICC tournaments, the stat would´ve looked less interesting. There´s a reason why performances against teams like Bangladesh are excluded when people discuss the performance of a player or even a team. I think that most Indians would agree with me that the stat is alarming - after the defeat on Thursday anyway!

JaDed said:
Not really.. for a team with our pedigree that's not great for past 8 years.
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Agreed! Besides, an important part of my post was....

DHONI183 said:
... However, things changed completely once they lost the T20 World Cup Final in 2014, and from that moment they became a team which would make stupid mistakes of dismissing batsmen on no-balls (T20 World Cup Semi-Final 2016 and the Champions Trophy Final 2017 being the occasions), and their batsmen developed the dangerous habit of collapsing in big matches (ODI World Cup Semi-Final 2015, Champions Trophy Final 2017, and the ODI World Cup Semi-Final 2019 come to my mind)....
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Link to the post:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-Pre-match-Discussion&p=11654036#post11654036

The point being, the nature of these defeats is as much alarming as the defeats themselves. On Thursday, however, it was completely different. This time around it was a no-contest and the Indian team didn´t turn up at all, barring Hardik Pandya, of course.
 
India can only beat South Africa and Bangladesh in ICC tournament knockouts. That's the conclusion. However, in 2016, the game vs Australia was a virtual knockout only which India won.
 
Yet another 50 for SKY - easily maintaining his number one ranking
 
Suryakumar Yadav in T20Is in 2022:

Innings 30
Runs 1151
Strike-rate 188.37
Average 47.95
Hundreds 2
Fifties 9
Sixes 67
Fours 105

Look at his strike-rate for this year - incredible.
 
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Most runs in T20Is this year:

Suryakumar Yadav 1151
Mohammad Rizwan 996
Virat Kohli 781
Babar Azam 735
Sikandar Raza 735
 
Rana said:
Probably doesn’t care one bit about wanting to maintain it.
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Exactly. He played at 97 to hit a 4 to bring up his 100 as if he had just arrived at the crease.

No slowing down for a 100 or any of that nonsense.
 
Saj said:
Most runs in T20Is this year:

Suryakumar Yadav 1151
Mohammad Rizwan 996
Virat Kohli 781
Babar Azam 735
Sikandar Raza 735
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Cherz Saj

Can you also share deliveries faced by all batsmen too? I wouldn’t be surprised if Rizwan has faced 800+ and Surya around 600
 
Rana said:
Cherz Saj

Can you also share deliveries faced by all batsmen too? I wouldn’t be surprised if Rizwan has faced 800+ and Surya around 600
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SKY balls faced 611
Rizwan 810
Kohli 565
Babar 596
Sikandar 487
 
Saj said:
SKY balls faced 611
Rizwan 810
Kohli 565
Babar 596
Sikandar 487
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Absolutely phenomenal

And he bats outside of the powerplay throughout his career unless 2 early wickets fall!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Numero Uno showing why he's the best in the world. Didn't watch it live but I'm sure this was another video game innings by him. &#55357;&#56834; <a href="https://twitter.com/surya_14kumar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@surya_14kumar</a></p>— Virat Kohli (@imVkohli) <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli/status/1594255637063827456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Numero Uno showing why he's the best in the world. Didn't watch it live but I'm sure this was another video game innings by him. &#55357;&#56834; <a href="https://twitter.com/surya_14kumar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@surya_14kumar</a></p>— Virat Kohli (@imVkohli) <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli/status/1594255637063827456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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He legitimises the Numero Uno without a doubt!
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Numero Uno showing why he's the best in the world. Didn't watch it live but I'm sure this was another video game innings by him. &#55357;&#56834; <a href="https://twitter.com/surya_14kumar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@surya_14kumar</a></p>— Virat Kohli (@imVkohli) <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli/status/1594255637063827456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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he is not there in team and sky faced 50 balls to score his century, otherwise he would have faced 25-30 balls and scored 60 runs
 
Msd_7 said:
he is not there in team and sky faced 50 balls to score his century, otherwise he would have faced 25-30 balls and scored 60 runs
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Kohli isn’t the problem

Kohli has scored 780 runs facing 550 balls or something at number 3 this year

Thats pretty good if you ask me, the perfect kind of role by the number 3. Indian openers are the problem, they are the ones eating up too many deliveries for not much return in value
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Numero Uno showing why he's the best in the world. Didn't watch it live but I'm sure this was another video game innings by him. <a href="https://twitter.com/surya_14kumar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@surya_14kumar</a></p>— Virat Kohli (@imVkohli) <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli/status/1594255637063827456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Rana said:
Kohli isn’t the problem

Kohli has scored 780 runs facing 550 balls or something at number 3 this year

Thats pretty good if you ask me, the perfect kind of role by the number 3. Indian openers are the problem, they are the ones eating up too many deliveries for not much return in value
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partially agree, kohli too be blamed for that slow innings in semis on a flat track
 
SKY is head and shoulders have every South Asian batsman in T20s. He knows how the format works. He has it all worked out. SKY doesn't care about nonsense like anchors stabilizing to help him hit sixes. Everybody appear to be anchors around him because they don't play aggressively and don't have the intent to bat like SKY.

Every South Asian batsman should learn the art of T20 batting fro SKY. Don't ever waste balls, if you're talented you will hit the bad ones for boundaries every time. There is no need to settle down. There is no. we'd to go deep.

The best T20 batsman unironically plays for the team, not himself. Forget about Individual score and get the team to over 200 in 20 overs
 
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