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Is SuryaKumar Yadav the most overrated/overhyped player ever?

Sky is an impact player. Yes he will fail occasionally as his is a high risk high reward game. No tuk tuk statpadding from him. If he's out 3 of 3 balls atleast he didn't waste deliveties unlike a 35 ball 40. Just because he didn't score in one or ko games doesn't diminish him. You still need to perform to get to KOs. And in KOs all the seniors tuk tuk and put pressure on guys like sky or ind newcomers
 
AMSS said:
The charm of Lara's career is his serial failure against India that was a mid ranked team in his era. Nobody held his underwhelming record against India as a marker to diminish his greatness.

The same is the case here. SKY's record against an almost-minnow Pakistan is a statistical anomaly. It enhances his otherwise sparkling T20 record.
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SKY = LARA

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deltexas said:
Sky is an impact player. Yes he will fail occasionally as his is a high risk high reward game. No tuk tuk statpadding from him. If he's out 3 of 3 balls atleast he didn't waste deliveties unlike a 35 ball 40. Just because he didn't score in one or ko games doesn't diminish him. You still need to perform to get to KOs. And in KOs all the seniors tuk tuk and put pressure on guys like sky or ind newcomers
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World Cup 2023 finals anyone? We all know what happened.
 
Major said:
World Cup 2023 finals anyone? We all know what happened.
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Still including the 2023 WC final.. You had klrahul tuk tuking to nowhere and then jadeja too. Cant leave it on one person. Its a team game. He needs some support to be aggressive. He came in after Jadeja which was a mistake which he pretty much never did in the entire WC campaign. A Sky anyday over tuk tukers like klrahul jadeja even in ODIs.
 
deltexas said:
Sky is an impact player. Yes he will fail occasionally as his is a high risk high reward game. No tuk tuk statpadding from him. If he's out 3 of 3 balls atleast he didn't waste deliveties unlike a 35 ball 40. Just because he didn't score in one or ko games doesn't diminish him. You still need to perform to get to KOs. And in KOs all the seniors tuk tuk and put pressure on guys like sky or ind newcomers
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Not occasionally; he is failing regularly against top teams in tournaments. His strike rate against top teams is not great. He neither takes high risks nor plays sensibly when the team needs him. He has bottled it in every tournament so far. But he is more capable than what the stats are showing.
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Not occasionally; he is failing regularly against top teams in tournaments. His strike rate against top teams is not great. He neither takes high risks nor plays sensibly when the team needs him. He has bottled it in every tournament so far. But he is more capable than what the stats are showing.
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He had a pretty good 2022 wc
 
Statpadder Inc said:
We are talking about T20's, try keeping up.

Nobody rates SKY in Odis, people were against him being selected in the 1st place
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lol you cant pick and choose.

This thread is overall.

He was hyped up in limited overs
 
Statpadder Inc said:
He had a pretty good 2022 wc
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He scored well against SA but failed against Pakistan and England. His performance against SA is the only notable one against top teams combined in all tournaments. Rest all are against small teams.

My point is that he hasn't stepped up when the team required it in all tournaments. Anyhow, he is more than capable of what the stats are showing, and I hope he will perform well in this tournament. We need to back him.
 
SKY has played 5 games vs non minnows in T20I tournaments. Performed once. If he performs in Super 8, it will make up for his past failures.
 
He's been in the Indian team for 3 years now and I can't recall him delivering in a big ICC tournament match more than once or twice. I also find it funny that he has somehow always failed against Pakistan. Here I though only our players felt the pressure of an India v Pakistan match.
 
Is SuryaKumar Yadav the most overrated/overhyped player ever?
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My simple answer is big No..
In my opinion, Babar Azam and Shahid Afridi are the two most overhyped and overrated cricketers of all times.

Hasaranga and Rashid Khan also massively overrated.

@Major, to prove my point, i have some valid points, you can welcome to argue 👍🏻
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
Is SuryaKumar Yadav the most overrated/overhyped player ever?
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My simple answer is big No..
In my opinion, Babar Azam and Shahid Afridi are the two most overhyped and overrated cricketers of all times.

Hasaranga and Rashid Khan also massively overrated.

@Major, to prove my point, i have some valid points, you can welcome to argue 👍🏻
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Moat overhyped t20 player is rizwan the moment the team decided to call him the bradman of t20
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
Is SuryaKumar Yadav the most overrated/overhyped player ever?
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My simple answer is big No..
In my opinion, Babar Azam and Shahid Afridi are the two most overhyped and overrated cricketers of all times.

Hasaranga and Rashid Khan also massively overrated.

@Major, to prove my point, i have some valid points, you can welcome to argue 👍🏻
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I disagree

Rizwan 1000% is the most overrated player in the world
 
mominsaigol said:
Moat overhyped t20 player is rizwan the moment the team decided to call him the bradman of t20
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Absolute fact

Calling someone Bradman who intentionally looks to bat through instead of playing proper T20 cricket as an opener. This is deceit, not just overrate/overhype
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
In my opinion, Rizwan is better than Babar in t20s
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He's now performed better then Bobby in 5 tournaments in a row I agree.

But it doesn't change the fact that he's overrated. The guy you pinged views him as the greatest keeper in Pakistan's history due to being a batter, Aka hiding behind keeping clauses to justify rizwan being the best, when historically Pakistan's best keepers have been those who are specialist keepers and aren't opening frauds pretending to be Bradman.

Rizzu's keeping skills are no where Waseem Bari or even moin Khan or 2015 sarfraz for that matter.

He can make jumps and dives yes, but he's terrible at throwing to the stumps and can't figure out Drs for the life of him, and some people want him to be captain even though under him Pakistan will burn out reviews in the first over.
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
Is SuryaKumar Yadav the most overrated/overhyped player ever?
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My simple answer is big No..
In my opinion, Babar Azam and Shahid Afridi are the two most overhyped and overrated cricketers of all times.

Hasaranga and Rashid Khan also massively overrated.

@Major, to prove my point, i have some valid points, you can welcome to argue 👍🏻
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Hasaranga is absolutely overrated. He is just a good bowler and nothing else.

Rashid Khan is still a Master in T20's. He struggled in the past few months due to injury. He is back now and back to his best. Its not just his bowling. HIs batting is extremely underrated for someone coming at No.8 or No.9. He got some skills to pay outrageous shots and he backs it up with some nice power hitting.
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
Is SuryaKumar Yadav the most overrated/overhyped player ever?
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My simple answer is big No..
In my opinion, Babar Azam and Shahid Afridi are the two most overhyped and overrated cricketers of all times.

Hasaranga and Rashid Khan also massively overrated.

@Major, to prove my point, i have some valid points, you can welcome to argue 👍🏻
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Babar has failed numerous times in big tournaments and matches. But he has delivered a few times aswell like against India at the 2021 T20 World Cup or against NZ in the 2019 World Cup and 2022 T20 World Cup semi-final. Which big match has SKY delivered in?
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Babar has failed numerous times in big tournaments and matches. But he has delivered a few times aswell like against India at the 2021 T20 World Cup or against NZ in the 2019 World Cup and 2022 T20 World Cup semi-final. Which big match has SKY delivered in?
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The problem is the thread is questioning if he's the most overrated ever, which is simply not true.

Even if it isn't big match, minnow bashing or whatever, 43 avg and 170 sr at no 4 is crazy. Is sky the best t20 player in the world? Hell no, For me Warner has consistently held that crown since 2010 to 2024. He's the silent dog who goes unnoticed but his PP exploits put Australia in an unbeatable situation 90% of the time.

But that doesn't mean SKY is THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER EVER IN T20. Babar and rizwan currently are.

However SKY alongside Will Jacks are overrated 100%.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Babar has failed numerous times in big tournaments and matches. But he has delivered a few times aswell like against India at the 2021 T20 World Cup or against NZ in the 2019 World Cup and 2022 T20 World Cup semi-final. Which big match has SKY delivered in?
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Vs sa in the 2022 wc
 
mominsaigol said:
The problem is the thread is questioning if he's the most overrated ever, which is simply not true.

Even if it isn't big match, minnow bashing or whatever, 43 avg and 170 sr at no 4 is crazy. Is sky the best t20 player in the world? Hell no, For me Warner has consistently held that crown since 2010 to 2024. He's the silent dog who goes unnoticed but his PP exploits put Australia in an unbeatable situation 90% of the time.

But that doesn't mean SKY is THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER EVER IN T20. Babar and rizwan currently are.

However SKY alongside Will Jacks are overrated 100%.
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I agree. I think he's a great player. The kind of shots he plays and the way he plays is exciting to watch as a fan of the game. However, you can't ignore his lack of performances in big games if you are talking about him as 'the' best T20 batter in the world, which alot of people are. The comparisons to de Villers in particular are pretty off-base just because he plays certain shots that de Villiers used to play too. He also gets exposed on more challenging pitches like in the 2023 World Cup final.

Still, I think any team in the world would give an arm and a leg to have a batter like him in their middle order. India brought him into the team way too late. He had been doing well in IPL for quite some time prior to that. He would have had a far higher ceiling if he was brought into the team earlier.
 
mominsaigol said:
The problem is the thread is questioning if he's the most overrated ever, which is simply not true.

Even if it isn't big match, minnow bashing or whatever, 43 avg and 170 sr at no 4 is crazy. Is sky the best t20 player in the world? Hell no, For me Warner has consistently held that crown since 2010 to 2024. He's the silent dog who goes unnoticed but his PP exploits put Australia in an unbeatable situation 90% of the time.

But that doesn't mean SKY is THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER EVER IN T20. Babar and rizwan currently are.

However SKY alongside Will Jacks are overrated 100%.
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I don't think Babar and Rizwan are overrated. In recent times, the general consensus on them has changed considerably. I also don't see any of the major T20 leagues going for Babar or Rizwan, which says alot about their value and marketability.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't think Babar and Rizwan are overrated. In recent times, the general consensus on them has changed considerably. I also don't see any of the major T20 leagues going for Babar or Rizwan, which says alot about their value and marketability.
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Recent times yes, last year story was different.

Atm will jacks is overrated for me. He's not that good, he is don't get me wrong, but people want him and salt to open as their a more destructive pair which I disagree with. Jacks is their to compliment the other 2, you don't want an early wicket in the first over
 
He promised a lot initially but has delivered little. Get rid of him if he flops in this tournament.

Some of his fancy shots are unnecessary and far too risky in international cricket. It's fine in the circus that is the IPL but not here. He should learn from Travis Head - minimum risk, maxiumum value.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
You mean that match that India lost?
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Tendulkar once scored 175 at a high rate versus Australia and got out. The rest suddenly folded (as has been the case countless times) and couldn’t score the few runs left. Can’t blame a player performing well if the rest are tourists!
 
RexRex said:
He promised a lot initially but has delivered little. Get rid of him if he flops in this tournament.

Some of his fancy shots are unnecessary and far too risky in international cricket. It's fine in the circus that is the IPL but not here. He should learn from Travis Head - minimum risk, maxiumum value.
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You guys misunderstand his IPL career. In IPL He played one scoop shot.That's it. All the other shots he acquired after he got selected for internationals. Check his IPL career. He had one season 500 runs with 133 strike rate. Otherwise he didn't do much in the IPL. 2020 was a decent season. His international performances are significantly better than IPL performances. He has just 2 centuries in IPL across 12 seasons. But he already has 4 international centuries that too in England, NZ, SA and India.

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RedwoodOriginal said:
I agree. I think he's a great player. The kind of shots he plays and the way he plays is exciting to watch as a fan of the game. However, you can't ignore his lack of performances in big games if you are talking about him as 'the' best T20 batter in the world, which alot of people are. The comparisons to de Villers in particular are pretty off-base just because he plays certain shots that de Villiers used to play too. He also gets exposed on more challenging pitches like in the 2023 World Cup final.

Still, I think any team in the world would give an arm and a leg to have a batter like him in their middle order. India brought him into the team way too late. He had been doing well in IPL for quite some time prior to that. He would have had a far higher ceiling if he was brought into the team earlier.
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No player from India has turned up in crunch knockout games in a long time. They do not perform well when the pressure is high. SKY has been bitten by that bug too.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
You guys misunderstand his IPL career. In IPL He played one scoop shot.That's it. All the other shots he acquired after he got selected for internationals. Check his IPL career. He had one season 500 runs with 133 strike rate. Otherwise he didn't do much in the IPL. 2020 was a decent season. His international performances are significantly better than IPL performances. He has just 2 centuries in IPL across 12 seasons. But he already has 4 international centuries that too in England, NZ, SA and India.

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Nobody cares about one-off centuries he had in diff countries. He needs to be consistent with regular 50s and 60s.
 
RexRex said:
Nobody cares about one-off centuries he had in diff countries. He needs to be consistent with regular 50s and 60s.
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He cannot be consistent. He is an X factor player. You cannot expect him to be consistent. We have consistent tuk tukers in the form of Kohli. What has Rohit, Jaddu achieved playing 6 seasons of world T20?
 
Considering that Babar and Rizwan were rated so highly with nothing to show for it makes this thread null and void

Even in this World T20, Babar's innings lost Pakistan the match against USA and Rizwan cost Pakistan against India.

SKY will never be a serial match loser like either of those two.
 
charlie007 said:
Tendulkar once scored 175 at a high rate versus Australia and got out. The rest suddenly folded (as has been the case countless times) and couldn’t score the few runs left. Can’t blame a player performing well if the rest are tourists!
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I'm not. It was a good innings in a pressure situation that got India to a competitive total in a match where everyone else failed. But I'm talking about his ability to win matches. I think this might have been his second match-winning innings in an ICC tournament.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Considering that Babar and Rizwan were rated so highly with nothing to show for it makes this thread null and void

Even in this World T20, Babar's innings lost Pakistan the match against USA and Rizwan cost Pakistan against India.

SKY will never be a serial match loser like either of those two.
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Fair enough. But that doesn't make him a match-winner either. Babar and Rizwan do not have Surya's game. They cannot play those video-game shots. A player with that much talent who can make a mockery of bowlers when he's on-song should be able to achieve more.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Fair enough. But that doesn't make him a match-winner either. Babar and Rizwan do not have Surya's game. They cannot play those video-game shots. A player with that much talent who can make a mockery of bowlers when he's on-song should be able to achieve more.
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That is fair. More is expected of SKY. But it doesn't make him the most overrated/overhyped player as this thread claims.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
That is fair. More is expected of SKY. But it doesn't make him the most overrated/overhyped player as this thread claims.
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You back players based on ability and special skill set. He has a skillset that nobody has in India. Not many has in the world. Maxwell keeps on failing. They are going to keep on backing him. Same goes with stoinis and other X factor players. We shouldn't expect consistency from everyone in a line up. 3 or 4 X factors may not be consistent. But they can do impossible things on a given day.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
He's been in the Indian team for 3 years now and I can't recall him delivering in a big ICC tournament match more than once or twice. I also find it funny that he has somehow always failed against Pakistan. Here I though only our players felt the pressure of an India v Pakistan match.
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But who told you that failing in 2-3 Pakistan-India matches spread over 3 years means that you have succumbed to pressure?

How would you decide if it is due to pressure or if it is due other factors? It could also be just an anomaly, and if it was some other team instead of Pakistan, you wouldn’t be emphasizing on the pressure aspect so much.
 
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jnaveen1980 said:
You back players based on ability and special skill set. He has a skillset that nobody has in India. Not many has in the world. Maxwell keeps on failing. They are going to keep on backing him. Same goes with stoinis and other X factor players. We shouldn't expect consistency from everyone in a line up. 3 or 4 X factors may not be consistent. But they can do impossible things on a given day.
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You have a valid point but like Australia can India afford to keep playing SKY based upon X factor?(Assuming he is as inconsistent as Maxwell is). Do you think India will have enough talent that they can have a leeway like Australia has have? It’s a genuine question not a dig at indian talent.
 
Mamoon said:
But who told you that failing in 2-3 Pakistan-India matches spread over 3 years means that you have succumbed to pressure?

How would you decide if it is due to pressure or if it is due other factors? It could also be just an anomaly, and if it was some other team instead of Pakistan, you wouldn’t be emphasizing on the pressure aspect so much.

The quality of posts on this forum is sinking rapidly with each passing day.
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The quality of posts on this forum is sinking rapidly with each passing day.

More beef with people? its not a suprise its sinking rapidly when the comments are

- Shaheen is the 3rd greatest pakistani pacer or pat Cummings captained 2022 wc.

Followed by incoming immigrant jokes.
 
cricketmania22 said:
You have a valid point but like Australia can India afford to keep playing SKY based upon X factor?(Assuming he is as inconsistent as Maxwell is). Do you think India will have enough talent that they can have a leeway like Australia has have? It’s a genuine question not a dig at indian talent.
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India doesn't have anyone remotely close to SKY. India must back him. He is a decent ifelder. That trent bridge knock alone is enough to show his ability. If you really want to maximize his potential he has to be surrounded by reliable players not guys like Rohit sharma who hits a four and six and vanish. He constantly flies under the radar despite playing 6 world T20s. Jadeja is another guy. Kohli's style of T20 works on only certain pitches. New approach of Kohli si not working. Surround SKY with Jaiswal, Gill, Pant, Samson, Rinku, Tilak varma kind of players. These experienced duds don't work
 
jnaveen1980 said:
India doesn't have anyone remotely close to SKY. India must back him. He is a decent ifelder. That trent bridge knock alone is enough to show his ability. If you really want to maximize his potential he has to be surrounded by reliable players not guys like Rohit sharma who hits a four and six and vanish. He constantly flies under the radar despite playing 6 world T20s. Jadeja is another guy. Kohli's style of T20 works on only certain pitches. New approach of Kohli si not working. Surround SKY with Jaiswal, Gill, Pant, Samson, Rinku, Tilak varma kind of players. These experienced duds don't work
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I know Kohli and Rohit are GOAT LOI players but if India just decided to discard them and select their best young T20 players, I think India might be a better and more dynamic side. For one thing, no country has the kind of depth of talent that India does. Also I feel like India kinda has a similar problem to Pakistan where the team is too heavily dependent on two anchors, who have failed to step up in high-pressure knockout games. The difference is that obviously Kohli and Rohit are far better and more versatile players than Babar and Rizwan and India are a far better and more professional side. But when you think about the fact that India has only scored 160+ twice in the last two T20 World Cups against teams that aren't Netherlands or Zimbabwe (one being the 2022 SF), it tells you that there is a problem there.

If Kohli and Rohit fail to win the T20 WC for India this time, it needs to be the end for them in this format. It's not fair to the long list of players who are knocking the door down to be selected for India.

The last time India did something like this was 2007. When Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman were all dropped in favor of a squad of young, up and coming players led by Dhoni and as we all know India won the T20 WC.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Considering that Babar and Rizwan were rated so highly with nothing to show for it makes this thread null and void

Even in this World T20, Babar's innings lost Pakistan the match against USA and Rizwan cost Pakistan against India.

SKY will never be a serial match loser like either of those two.
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SKY also pretty much has nothing to show for his career ( so far). He is not a serial match loser according to you, nor a serial match winner according to others.

He has personally flopped in ODI cricket. In T20i cricket he hasn't played a knock of consequence nor has he breathed the air inside a stadium during a final or semi final.

It is an international career with zero accomplishment. In fact it would make no difference if he did not play all these years. There has been nothing to see or miss.

He is good for a cute trickshot and nice batting but going back to your original point - ,there is literally nothing to show for it
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I know Kohli and Rohit are GOAT LOI players but if India just decided to discard them and select their best young T20 players, I think India might be a better and more dynamic side. For one thing, no country has the kind of depth of talent that India does. There is no comparison. Also I feel like India kinda has a similar problem to Pakistan where the team is too heavily dependent on two anchors, who have failed to step up in high-pressure knockout games. The difference is that obviously Kohli and Rohit are far better and more versatile players than Babar and Rizwan and India are a far better and more professional side. But when you think about the fact that India has only scored 160+ twice in the last two T20 World Cups against teams that aren't Netherlands or Zimbabwe (one being the 2022 SF), it tells you that there is a problem there.

The last time India did something like this was 2007. When Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman were all dropped in favor of a squad of young, up and coming players led by Dhoni and as we all know India won the T20 WC.
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You don't need anchors. I wouldn't worry too much about not scoring on this dodgy New york track. Not many got the hang of it. We should look at their ceiling. What is the best they can do. If it is extraordinary then you back them in this format. For a high risk player like SKY achieving this much consistency itself is a massive thing. You just back them. Pant has never cracked T20 format yet. But when he comes off he will be a massive game changer even in this format. Teams need game changers especially in T20.

T20 has to have players with well defined roles. NO matter what they should play that role. ONly then you get the best out of the players. If you choose a player to go nuts for 5 overs and if you expect him to consolidate it will be a fail. That is where franchise cricket differs. Franchise cricket is way more professional. THey give roles without fear of failure. MSD gave Dube full license of going hammer and tongs no matter what the situation is 20/3, 20/4 doesn't matter. He had 90% success rate with that approach. Similar role was given to Rahane last season. A guy who had strike rate in 120s for 14 seasons suddenly had a SR of 170.

If you don't extract the best out of these players then the problem is management problem. His game is ideal in a line up where you have a deep batting line up. In order to have deep batting line up you need 2 proper batting all rounders minimum. 3 is even better. 3 batting all rounders should bowl 8 overs. ABhishek and Parag can easily bowl 4 overs and take up the spot of Jadeja and Rohit.
 
RexRex said:
I don't remember any X-factor innings or cameos from him in ICC games.
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He sure had one good innings against SA on a bouncy perth pitch. He failed against a crappy ENglish bowling unit. Sure can happen. The format in the last world T20 was structured in such a way that we didn't play a whole lot of games to begin with. He failed against pakistan in each time. That is somehow considered as some kind of ICC failure.
 
RexRex said:
I don't remember any X-factor innings or cameos from him in ICC games.
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These are his world cup scores

Against Pakistan failed 3 times. Once failed against England. He is yet to play Australia or New zealand in the world T20.

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The answer is yes, he was overhyped but I don't think it's the case now. Im.not saying he proved his worth. It's just that people don't expect too much of him now. Indian team in general is very conservative. It could be Dravid or probably the team ethos in general. India never found the replacement for peak Yuvraj again. Even Dhoni wasn't a fast scorer. Pandya could have been a Yuvraj for India but Indian team chose to.let him be a Dhoni instead. What India found was a decent bowling attack. The thinking is, as long as thr par score is achieved, there is now a bowling lineup that can defend it.

This was debunked time and again in the knockouts. To overcome it, team management wanted freaks in the team that have the capacity to eke out 15 to 20 runs extra. Surya was the solution considering he could score in unusual areas. Added bonus was he's an accomplished first class batsman. What secured his spot was his ability to play selfless innings. In a team full of ego heads, a free spirited, unselfish player with decent first class record and crazy ability to score in unusual ways was refreshing. He also played a few blinders that include a hundred in England, a spirited counter attack against SA on a treacherous pitch in the last T20 WC. I personally think his time is up and Rinku Singh should be preferred over him. But as long as Agarkar, Rohit aka Mumbai gang is ruling the roost, his time could be extended for a bit.
 
rhony said:
The answer is yes, he was overhyped but I don't think it's the case now. Im.not saying he proved his worth. It's just that people don't expect too much of him now. Indian team in general is very conservative. It could be Dravid or probably the team ethos in general. India never found the replacement for peak Yuvraj again. Even Dhoni wasn't a fast scorer. Pandya could have been a Yuvraj for India but Indian team chose to.let him be a Dhoni instead. What India found was a decent bowling attack. The thinking is, as long as thr par score is achieved, there is now a bowling lineup that can defend it.

This was debunked time and again in the knockouts. To overcome it, team management wanted freaks in the team that have the capacity to eke out 15 to 20 runs extra. Surya was the solution considering he could score in unusual areas. Added bonus was he's an accomplished first class batsman. What secured his spot was his ability to play selfless innings. In a team full of ego heads, a free spirited, unselfish player with decent first class record and crazy ability to score in unusual ways was refreshing. He also played a few blinders that include a hundred in England, a spirited counter attack against SA on a treacherous pitch in the last T20 WC. I personally think his time is up and Rinku Singh should be preferred over him. But as long as Agarkar, Rohit aka Mumbai gang is ruling the roost, his time could be extended for a bit.
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Rinku has a place. Not place of SKY. RInku is groomed as a finisher meaning he can come in after 15 overs have a blast. He is matured enough to guide the side just in case if he comes in early. SKY's role is not finishing. He is no Andre Russell. His role is to start the attack in the middle overs. India has problem in all 3 phases. Power play/Middle overs/Death overs. We are lagging in all 3 phases. Dube was brought in handle middle overs as well complementing SKY who has weakness agianst left arm spin. India has to define roles and pick players for those roles. Not someone who score "consistently" but "slowly".
 
jnaveen1980 said:
You don't need anchors. I wouldn't worry too much about not scoring on this dodgy New york track. Not many got the hang of it. We should look at their ceiling. What is the best they can do. If it is extraordinary then you back them in this format. For a high risk player like SKY achieving this much consistency itself is a massive thing. You just back them. Pant has never cracked T20 format yet. But when he comes off he will be a massive game changer even in this format. Teams need game changers especially in T20.

T20 has to have players with well defined roles. NO matter what they should play that role. ONly then you get the best out of the players. If you choose a player to go nuts for 5 overs and if you expect him to consolidate it will be a fail. That is where franchise cricket differs. Franchise cricket is way more professional. THey give roles without fear of failure. MSD gave Dube full license of going hammer and tongs no matter what the situation is 20/3, 20/4 doesn't matter. He had 90% success rate with that approach. Similar role was given to Rahane last season. A guy who had strike rate in 120s for 14 seasons suddenly had a SR of 170.

If you don't extract the best out of these players then the problem is management problem. His game is ideal in a line up where you have a deep batting line up. In order to have deep batting line up you need 2 proper batting all rounders minimum. 3 is even better. 3 batting all rounders should bowl 8 overs. ABhishek and Parag can easily bowl 4 overs and take up the spot of Jadeja and Rohit.
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I agree with you there. Regardless of how he has performed so far, a player like SKY does need to be backed fully in this format. He has an x-factor that few players in this format do. He may not exactly be a youngster but he fits in well to that alternative Indian team full of youngsters potentially lead by Pandya.
 
He is one of the most gifted players to play white ball for India. I've been a fan from back when I used to follow IPL and he batted lower down for KKR.

He is capable of outrageous innings and cricket is also about entertainment. He is mentally tough too unlike KL Rahul who might also be very gifted but doesn't merit a national spot anymore.

Every team needs one such mad player in their team. He is the Maxwell of India.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
SKY also pretty much has nothing to show for his career ( so far). He is not a serial match loser according to you, nor a serial match winner according to others.

He has personally flopped in ODI cricket. In T20i cricket he hasn't played a knock of consequence nor has he breathed the air inside a stadium during a final or semi final.

It is an international career with zero accomplishment. In fact it would make no difference if he did not play all these years. There has been nothing to see or miss.

He is good for a cute trickshot and nice batting but going back to your original point - ,there is literally nothing to show for it
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He was never rated in ODI cricket. Still not the most overrated cricketer
 
Yesterday's inning was proof that not every time you can smash the bowlers for sixes and play cheeky shots all around the park. SOmetimes run-a-ball inning is needed to win you games and that is what SKY did. People who bashed RIz for his slow inning should get their lesson now.

Had SKY chose to throw his wicket away in process of trying to up the strike rate, thing could have gotten messy for India.
 
SKY is leagues ahead of any other batsman in Asia on current form in T20 format.
 
I don’t think Surya is overrated but I have no problem if semeone feels that way. However having seen some of the players the folk who endorse this sentiment back, I will leave it to your judgement how to take this .
 
Major said:
scored a 50 against mighty Afghanistan.
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Afghanistan has one of the best spin attacks and quality pace in the world, Rashid khan was tearing everyone apart. Farooqi has the most wickets of the tournament.

Just because their name is Afghanistan doesn't mean squat when based of last WC and how Afghanistan is currently playing they'd wash Pakistan black and blue.

It doesn't matter if you think sky is overrated or not. He's still superior to Pakistan's entire t20 line up.

Also don't act like it's a 50 in the same vein as how rizwam scores a 50. His 50 at a near 200SR is what made the difference today, Otherwise India was heading for a 130 score. Him and Bumrah were the MVP's today.
 
Calling sky the most overrated cricketer is beyond stupid.

Everyone knows ICC rankings are a farse. No one not even sky hyped himself to the moon to receive mo 1 rank in t20.

Sky is not the best t20 player in the world, it doesnt change the fact that he's easily the best Middle order batter in asia.

Only Middle order batters ( Batters who come from 4 onwards) that are objectively superior to Sky in t20 wc are

1) Marcus Stonis
2) Klaseen

The ones who are debatable superior

1) Johnny Bairstow (In his prime he was superior, Currently its debatable, Bairstow isn't in the best of knicks but when he finds his stride he's gun)

2) Tim David and Glenn Maxwell( Both are in okay form atm, but when they come into their stride then their superior)

3) West Indies MO (Again debatable, its really just tulle Bazi on their day)

4) David Miller( He can handle pressure better and play more clutch but he isn't nearly as explosive)


Really its just 2 Middle order batters who are superior to SKY in t20, Everyone else is debatable.

Note: I don't think the 4 I mentioned in debatable superior are superior to SKY, I just mentioned them incase some brings up some good WI batsmen and bairstow played the last game, as well as miller's innings against Nedtherlands in NY and maxwell odi exploits.
 
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