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Is the ban imposed on Sharjeel Khan harsh, fair or lenient?

Is the ban imposed on Sharjeel Khan harsh, fair or lenient?

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Clearly the PCB legal team feels that he should have been punished harder but what's your opinion?
 
Extremely - I won't him ban for a single day (or may be 6 months, which he has served already), for a meaningless T20 tournament, by it's nature each of those are corrupt. What the trio did in 2010 English tour is totally different, because that was involved PAK team - here PSL, a T20 league where owners don't need to submit their "source of income".

Banning him doesn't serve PAK cricket either - it's like collateral damage. My punishment in this regard would have been hurting him, without hurting PAK team's interest. I would have gone for -

1. 6 months ban (already served)
2. 6 years provisional ban (do anything next time - ban for life)
3. A hefty fine (from average earnings of PAK cricketers, something like PKR 25mn, paid over 3-5 years in instalments).
4. Drop from Central contract, rather paid on match basis (but keeping all other facilities/perks as usual)
5. Ask him for a public apology
 
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MMHS said:
Extremely - I won't him ban for a single day (or may be 6 months, which he has served already), for a meaningless T20 tournament, by it's nature each of those are corrupt. What the trio did in 2010 English tour is totally different, because that was involved PAK team - here PSL, a T20 league where owners don't need to submit their "source of income".

Banning him doesn't serve PAK cricket either - it's like collateral damage. My punishment in this regard would have been hurting him, without hurting PAK team's interest. I would have gone for -

1. 6 months ban (already served)
2. 6 years provisional ban (do anything next time - ban for life)
3. A hefty fine (from average earnings of PAK cricketers, something like PKR 25mn, paid over 3-5 years in instalments).
4. Drop from Central contract, rather paid on match basis (but keeping all other facilities/perks as usual)
5. Ask him for a public apalozy,m
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I think it's lenient considering he spot fixed.
 
MMHS said:
Extremely - I won't him ban for a single day (or may be 6 months, which he has served already), for a meaningless T20 tournament, by it's nature each of those are corrupt. What the trio did in 2010 English tour is totally different, because that was involved PAK team - here PSL, a T20 league where owners don't need to submit their "source of income".

Banning him doesn't serve PAK cricket either - it's like collateral damage. My punishment in this regard would have been hurting him, without hurting PAK team's interest. I would have gone for -

1. 6 months ban (already served)
2. 6 years provisional ban (do anything next time - ban for life)
3. A hefty fine (from average earnings of PAK cricketers, something like PKR 25mn, paid over 3-5 years in instalments).
4. Drop from Central contract, rather paid on match basis (but keeping all other facilities/perks as usual)
5. Ask him for a public apalozy,m
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So, they should have waited until all of them do spot fixing in Pak colours.
i.e in champions trophy
 
Am not sure how concrete the evidence was against him so hard to say whether they were harsh or lenient, but [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] makes some good points on personally hurting Sharjeel without hurting Pakistan cricket, but we do have Fakhar now thankfully he will hopefully fill the void.
 
It's a difficult question.

If he was guilty, after everything we have seen since 2010, I think the ban in too lenient.

However, in my eyes, that is a big IF.

I by no means trust the shambles which is the PCB to conduct such an investigation, and the way they have handled this whole incident over the last 7-8 months is proof of that.
 
I think its a bit too harsh. Also what happened is not very clear as the details I am not aware. Ironic that talking to the bookie caused him the ban where it was proven I guess that he played those dot balls on merit. So PCB hands over a 5 yr ban for some league cricket issue whereas the guy who caused the no ball fiasco in 2010 seems to be in PCB's future plan.. Bravo!!!:14:
 
MMHS said:
Extremely - I won't him ban for a single day (or may be 6 months, which he has served already), for a meaningless T20 tournament, by it's nature each of those are corrupt. What the trio did in 2010 English tour is totally different, because that was involved PAK team - here PSL, a T20 league where owners don't need to submit their "source of income".

Banning him doesn't serve PAK cricket either - it's like collateral damage. My punishment in this regard would have been hurting him, without hurting PAK team's interest. I would have gone for -

1. 6 months ban (already served)
2. 6 years provisional ban (do anything next time - ban for life)
3. A hefty fine (from average earnings of PAK cricketers, something like PKR 25mn, paid over 3-5 years in instalments).
4. Drop from Central contract, rather paid on match basis (but keeping all other facilities/perks as usual)
5. Ask him for a public apalozy,m
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So, cheating in PSL is deemed ok according to you?

Imo, he should've banned for life.
 
There is no way anything less can be given to him if charges are proved.
 
Let time pass and new management come after 2018 elections his ban will be reversed. It is a farce decision to soothe corrupt Sethi's ego. Unfortunately in this undemocratic "democracy" might is right.
 
2.5 years is very lenient in my opinion.

They knew what they were getting into. Should have got at least 5 years.
 
2,5 years tells you that there might not be any concrete proof. If that's the case then Sharjeel should appeal.

If Irfan got 1 year for speaking to a bookie then Sharjeel should get the same. In order to treat him differently there has to be something confirming that he took money or agreed to fix.
 
Syed1 said:
Let time pass and new management come after 2018 elections his ban will be reversed. It is a farce decision to soothe corrupt Sethi's ego. Unfortunately in this undemocratic "democracy" might is right.
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You think spot fixing is ok? Interesting
 
Someone here posted a very interesting post earlier.

If they had proof [they suggested they did, and ample evidence at that] then why not ban him for the maximum amount?

Why have they suspended 2½-years of that ban instead?

It's a baffling sentence, considering all the murmurs the people that were being asked to make statements in-regards to the dot-balls - they all suggested [barring Aqib Javed, who said no evidence was provided to him] that those were normal circumstances and couldn't be akin to agreeing to fix.

It's a head-scratcher really.
 
Saj said:
2.5 years is very lenient in my opinion.

They knew what they were getting into. Should have got at least 5 years.
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I'd agree IF they provide the public/media the proof they suggest they have against the players. Then ban them for life. Otherwise I, like many here, can't trust anything Sethi says or does.
 
its impossible to say

we dont know how much (or what) evidence exists...

to my knowledge, Sharjeel is still denying spot fixing, but has acknowledged being approached and speaking to someone
 
Yes. There is always a room for 2nd chance. Or 3rd or 4th or 5th..
 
He still has a right to appeal the ban, he still hasn't confessed to doing it
 
MenInG said:
There is no way anything less can be given to him if charges are proved.
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Have they been proved yet?

I'm just asking since you are a journalist you must have some more information on it
 
Have PCB gone lenient on Sharjeel? I marked the decision as harsh, since there hasn't been any proper implicating evidence against him. Just circumstantial.

I still feel some kind of deal was reached by Sharjeel's lawyer with the tribunal. It says 5 years, and then 2 years if the behavior is good...
 
It's not harsh at all. I am getting sick and tired of seeing talented Pak kids getting dragged into these sort of things because of players like him(assuming that he is actually guilty). If anything, should have been punished for a longer period of time so that others would think twice to even cheat on any other leagues.
 
On the basis we was proven to be guilty, it's a fair sentence. You have to go on precedent, Amir and co got 5 years for something more serious so 2.5 suspended in this case is fair.
 
KingKhanWC said:
On the basis we was proven to be guilty, it's a fair sentence. You have to go on precedent, Amir and co got 5 years for something more serious so 2.5 suspended in this case is fair.
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Well those were condiitonal evidences too. Alot of Fake Sheikh's evidence were reviewed in scrutiny again after he was found to forge evidence in his case.
 
I don't think Sharjeel spot fixed and that's not because I want to live in denial and see this guy back for the greater good of Pakistan's fortunes.

What strikes me is that not one of the posts above points out the fact that MoYo and I believe Dean Jones were asked as experts to assess their findings on whether the 2 dot deliveries from Hasan Ali could have been "part of the plan" to spot fix from Sharjeel but they both said the balls were played on their merits and Moyo elaborated that in one of the square cuts played by him could easily have been a boundary had it gone just a yard or so either side of the fielder at point - strongly implying the allegations were baseless. Yet the majority on here including [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] are all jumping to conclusions and accept anything given to them at face value - I can guarantee that most of these lot don't know anything/very little about the facts surrounding this case.

What we do know is that PCB pushed and pressurised the tribunal to make the punishment to save the embarrasment because after all Najam Sethi aka big mouth starting blurting out that he had evidence and that the players including Sharjeel had made plans to spot fix - so Najam if it is that straight forward why did they take so long to ban him?
 
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What's also more embarrassing PCB want to appeal so that a fine can be imposed against the player - for crying out loud you got what you want! Why are you begging for money...
 
Typical Pakistani fans.... always in denial and searching for conspiracies.

This is an incredibly lenient sentence, should have got an exemplary punishment.
 
Bay Garrett said:
Where's the proof? just hawai firing from sethi chaval as usual
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yes sharjeel is a saint and they should build a shrine in hyderabad in his honor...

obviously it is an evil conspiracy by sethi who was even able to influence the icc anti corruption unit who were the first to inform pcb about sharjeel's activities

this is exactly the attitude why pakistan continues to produce fixers

as long as we side with the criminals and blame conspiracies for their downfall we will not be able to produce clean cricketers
 
Judging by the sentence, I get the feeling that they didn't have (enough) evidence. From all of Sethi's talk, it really sounded like they would give the harshest possible punishment. If this is it, then it must be due to a lack of evidence.

If Sharjeel appeals, it will be interesting to see how the case progresses.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Judging by the sentence, I get the feeling that they didn't have (enough) evidence. From all of Sethi's talk, it really sounded like they would give the harshest possible punishment. If this is it, then it must be due to a lack of evidence.

If Sharjeel appeals, it will be interesting to see how the case progresses.
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Not sure where my 2nd post went, but don't have the energy to write again.

In short - PCB has called further embarrassment like the one calling players from all over the world for what ended in fitness test. On his 1st appeal, SK'll get a stay order on the verdict; unfortunately his career isn't 25 years long that he can carry on this legal battle to win it at last in grey hair.

But, that guy is a crook to a certain extent, deserves some punishment - so, ultimate loss in PAK team, which could have been easily resolved, by hurting SK where it hurts most & may be banning him for 2 years in PSL.

People are getting too touchy here regarding moral, ethics, patriotism, immaaaaaaan - dharam ...... as if T20 Franchises are not funded by the likes of Allen Stanford or our Destiny Groups and lots in between all over the world ........

It's identical with Najam Sethi - the guy didn't get his chair straight, but he is capable & competent to run PCB - SK isn't the purest soul, but that guy is the best for the job for PAK team - I don't see much difference, hence I do endorse Sethi & I'll always say that banning SK for PSL is a nonsense.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
They've got no evidence against him.
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I think they have enough evidence of him meeting the bookies and agreeing to fix, hence the ban is longer than 1 year, and not enough to say he actually fixed and played the dot balls on purpose to give 5 years. If I'm right (correct me if I'm wrong), Sharjeel didn't admit the meeting with the bookie at first but then conceded hoping for the year ban. And these cricketers have been warned about this too much for me to really believe their meeting with the bookies was accidental. I feel Sharjeel will challenge and try to get this down to a year.

Either way regardless of him actually fixing, do we want a guy who was in talks to the bookies with the intention of engaging in fixing really?
 
If there are *proofs*, ban him forever. If not, then don't bother with the ban thing.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
They've got no evidence. If there is, ban him for life.
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I think post by [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] sums it well.

Sharjeel may not be the purest soul but fit for the team.

Even if they don't have evidence, you can't say he is not guilty.
 
Hamza_ said:
I think post by [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] sums it well.

Sharjeel may not be the purest soul but fit for the team.

Even if they don't have evidence, you can't say he is not guilty.
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Lol, you can't ban him without evidence. What kind of court is this?
 
Hamza_ said:
I think post by [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] sums it well.

Sharjeel may not be the purest soul but fit for the team.

Even if they don't have evidence, you can't say he is not guilty.
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Obviously they must have some solid evidence as you cant ban someone just because you assume he is corrupt.

Also institutions or courts dont share evidence in public generally and that is how it should be I guess.
 
ads101 said:
I think they have enough evidence of him meeting the bookies and agreeing to fix, hence the ban is longer than 1 year, and not enough to say he actually fixed and played the dot balls on purpose to give 5 years. If I'm right (correct me if I'm wrong), Sharjeel didn't admit the meeting with the bookie at first but then conceded hoping for the year ban. And these cricketers have been warned about this too much for me to really believe their meeting with the bookies was accidental. I feel Sharjeel will challenge and try to get this down to a year.

Either way regardless of him actually fixing, do we want a guy who was in talks to the bookies with the intention of engaging in fixing really?
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I have been seeing quite a lot of your posts and I can't deny you have one of the best views and analysis on various things. Top class poster
 
While I have to admit that the guy had hell of potential but I never find him patriotic enough or passionate to win matches for Pakistan, like he was playing to cement his place and make a career out of cricket which is not at all wrong. He was mostly emotionless on the field but, there must me something for your country in your heart when you are representing it at international level. He played exceptionally well in Australia but never showed intent of winning the match for Pakistan. He scored three consecutive 50's but never carried any of them into 100 that might have win us the match. He was never disappointed with any dismissal rather satisfied with his performance. It wasnt his inability to win a match rather he was indifferent about the result like some others we have witnessed in our cricketing history and they never won us a damn thing by themselves.

Lets take the example of Hassan Ali, yes he wants to earn good livelihood for his family but his love for Pakistan has higher hierarchy level. You can see from the guy's face he wants to win it for Pakistan.
He was wearing Pakistani Flag colored arm band in 14 th August.

Look at Fakhar Zaman, he got 50 in CT final like previous few matches where he was unable to convert them, he knew he had to do somthing for Pakistan as he was set, he was disappointed as he couldnt make it big for Pakistan earlier and he went on to make a pretty good century at an exceptional strike rate. He would have cemented his place even after a fifty.

Again I repeat he was one hell of a player, but you need to wear your heart on your sleeves to win your country matches and tournuments.
 
You can't ban someone without evidence. To date no-one has seen any concrete evidence regarding the allegations. Serious allegations deserve serious evidence. This is a travesty of justice and pointless ruining of a very bright future.
 
Mohammad Nawaz: approached by bookie once (As far as I know), didnt report.
Ban: 2 months

Mohammad Irfan: Number of approaches by bookies, failed to report any.
Ban: 1 year (Reduced to six months if behavior is fine)

Sharjeel Khan: Not only approached by bookie but met the bookie and failed to report. Meeting means he was interested in the offer. Not sure if fixing is proved if that would have been than ban would have been much more
Ban: 5 years (Reduced to 2.5 years if conduct is fine)

To me its fair enough. He can try to appeal and get it reduced to 2.5 years or so with 1 year effective. But irrespective of how much we all are interested in the reduction of the ban, I have to say its completely fair and square.
 
Syed1 said:
Let time pass and new management come after 2018 elections his ban will be reversed. It is a farce decision to soothe corrupt Sethi's ego. Unfortunately in this undemocratic "democracy" might is right.
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Sethi is the best thing that happened to pak cricket, he brought in new management which kicked out old useless players, he organised psl, he caught corrupt cricketers like sarjeel and he even brought cricket back in pakistan, you guys will realise the importance of sethi once he leaves this job.
 
Depends on the evidence.

If he fixed, the 5 years are fair.

If it's just multiple meetings with bookies (and not reporting them), he probably should have got a lesser sentence.
 
Don't know how concrete the evidence was..but if its enough to prove his guilt should have been banned for life. Anyone caught after the 2010 scandal should be banned for life
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Lol, you can't ban him without evidence. What kind of court is this?
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I said Even if, They actually may have evidence. Of course Khalid Latif's WhatsApp messages, signals such as bat grip.etc would be there indicating about fixing
 
Couldn't care less. All this recent kerfuffle about fitness and no mention of this this guy who is trying to take us back to the 80's pie and beer eating physique. With his fitness he wouldn't have lasted another 2 years especially in white ball cricket and a total liability in the field.
 
i dont thhink he is guilty of anything other than what he has admitted to, so your fair lienient harsh is missing unfair/unwarrented
 
Too lenient. The people defending Sharjeel are either those who cannot park their political prejudices aside or want to make excuses for a talented player seemingly having learned nothing from the last 20 years of Pakistan cricket.

Thami Tsolekile got a 12 year ban for contriving to fix in the 2015 Ram Slam and failing to disclose the full details of an approach. Sharjeel only got the minimum sentence each for the five charges he was guilty of.

In Tsolekile's case, there was no evidence that an actual fix in any match was carried out, but he and the other three players who were banned all participated in material discussions about match-fixing. Sharjeel and Latif were caught doing exactly that so the dot ball issue is a red herring.

Also the initial tip off came from the UK's National Crime Agency who passed on the intelligence before the PSL match to the ICC's ACSU. Or were they also involved in this Sethi-led conspiracy ? Neither have we seen the evidence presented in the tribunal so how can anyone pass judgement on its quality ?

It's sad Sharjeel has thrown away two years of his career after establishing himself in the national team but you shouldn't get involved with these people who lead you astray in the first place. He would've earned far more from T20 leagues and international cricket than whatever was promised to him by this bookmaker.
 
Very lenient. Look at the bans in SA fixing case.If people are only going to lose 2yrs or 2.5 yrs for fixing then it will not deter people in future.
 
Sherlock said:
Exactly.
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Not exactly - there wasn't any evidence suggesting Thami Tsolekile fixed yet he still received a TWELVE year sentence for "contriving to fix" like Sharjeel and failing to report an approach after the 2015 Ram Slam.

Sharjeel has received a 5 year ban, with half of it suspended, having actually been found guilty of the charge of spot-fixing !

Pakistan cricket missed a major opportunity to nip corruption in the bud in the late 1990s with the highly flawed Qayyum Report and it's missed another one now. These sentences are not a deterrent but as usual we must learn the hard way when the next scandal inevitably erupts.
 
Markhor said:
Not exactly - there wasn't any evidence suggesting Thami Tsolekile fixed yet he still received a TWELVE year sentence for "contriving to fix" like Sharjeel and failing to report an approach after the 2015 Ram Slam.

Sharjeel has received a 5 year ban, with half of it suspended, having actually been found guilty of the charge of spot-fixing !

Pakistan cricket missed a major opportunity to nip corruption in the bud in the late 1990s with the highly flawed Qayyum Report and it's missed another one now. These sentences are not a deterrent but as usual we must learn the hard way when the next scandal inevitably erupts.
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Don't bother bringing in other boards and how harsh they are with their players. It's doesn't have any effect on how the PCB runs their ship.

The "being found guilty of fixing" is where the grey area is, and what many are talking about. Hence why his lawyer has said they'll appeal because of the lack of evidence.

I agree with your last paragraph and conclusion, wholeheartedly.
 
I think policy should be straight forward. If they had evidence then life ban should have been imposed. If they only had evidence of him meeting the bookies then the ban for a year and fine should have been fine.
 
Yet again, too many posters have jumped the gun. I'll wait until the actual decision is published before reaching a conclusion.

By the way, what happened to all the posters who insisted that the tribunal was a sham and the PCB would force them to pass a life ban? :))
 
mak36 said:
Yet again, too many posters have jumped the gun. I'll wait until the actual decision is published before reaching a conclusion.

By the way, what happened to all the posters who insisted that the tribunal was a sham and the PCB would force them to pass a life ban? :))
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When is the verdict of Sharjeels appeal gonna be announced?
 
Abdulm123 said:
When is the verdict of Sharjeels appeal gonna be announced?
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The verdict will be a while off, given the appeal hasn't even been lodged yet. They can only officially appeal once they receive the full order (which will be no later than 7th September). This is because they need to file the grounds on which they are appealing.
 
MMHS said:
Extremely - I won't him ban for a single day (or may be 6 months, which he has served already), for a meaningless T20 tournament, by it's nature each of those are corrupt. What the trio did in 2010 English tour is totally different, because that was involved PAK team - here PSL, a T20 league where owners don't need to submit their "source of income".

Banning him doesn't serve PAK cricket either - it's like collateral damage. My punishment in this regard would have been hurting him, without hurting PAK team's interest. I would have gone for -

1. 6 months ban (already served)
2. 6 years provisional ban (do anything next time - ban for life)
3. A hefty fine (from average earnings of PAK cricketers, something like PKR 25mn, paid over 3-5 years in instalments).
4. Drop from Central contract, rather paid on match basis (but keeping all other facilities/perks as usual)
5. Ask him for a public apology
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Wat happened in IPL. Sreesanth, chandila and one more player. It is not meaningless tournament, not playing in the spirit of the game is an offence anyway for a game betting is deemed illegal.
 
If proven guilty and it reached only the 5 years ban criteria. Professionally good. For an unfit player like sharjeel if it's 5 years then nearly over I think. But anything can happen with Pakistan cricket.
 
Lenient. I'm sorry but anyone who continues to stain the reputation of Pakistan Cricket after the events of 2010 deserves a life-ban. The argument by some posters that there isn't enough evidence is hilarious. PCB has no obligation to reveal the specifics of the evidence to the public and they have no reason to sabotage the career of one of their most promising batsmen.

Hopefully this puts an end to posters including him in their fantasy elevens.
 
KhalidRafi said:
Lenient. I'm sorry but anyone who continues to stain the reputation of Pakistan Cricket after the events of 2010 deserves a life-ban. The argument by some posters that there isn't enough evidence is hilarious. PCB has no obligation to reveal the specifics of the evidence to the public and they have no reason to sabotage the career of one of their most promising batsmen.

Hopefully this puts an end to posters including him in their fantasy elevens.
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Agreed. The fact that Amir etc were given 5 years by the ICC shows what the standard is for such things. Sharjeel is either guilty or he is not. If guilty than 5 years, especially as he has contested the allegations.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Very lenient. Look at the bans in SA fixing case.If people are only going to lose 2yrs or 2.5 yrs for fixing then it will not deter people in future.
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ICC charged three players spot-fixing in a TEST match for 5 years, when there was a concrete evidence and one player even confessed. Prisoner's dilemma says that one confession and other denial causes all players to lose out.

Say SK did spot fix, he was playing a domestic t20, and the case against him is weaker than the trio of 2010.

Its a fair decision if ICC was fair with the trio
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Wat happened in IPL. Sreesanth, chandila and one more player. It is not meaningless tournament, not playing in the spirit of the game is an offence anyway for a game betting is deemed illegal.
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Didn't notice your post, sorry for the delay.

I don't want to bring IPL here for obvious reasons & the context is different. Still, since you brought the example, be honest with yourself & all the stories that we have learned regarding IPL, it's owners & serial betting is several matches - in an ideal world, entire IPL should have been scrapped by now after 2012 & 2013 events. But, again the counter argument is, not every such allegations are true & can't be proved - so, IPL gets benefit of doubt.

For SK'd case, I actually am not sure at what extent he was involved - they brought some former cricketers to measure if he had blocked those balls on merit or not, and most of them confessed that the ball was played on merit - then we go back to initial argument - he didn't report, he accepted money..... If there was concrete evident, there was no point bringing batting experts, neither you need to run the trial for 7 months.

Going through all the events, what I feel is that SK was involved at some level of dishonesty - either he was too greedy or he was entrapped, but either they caught him at initial stages, or he himself tried to jail break. In that regard, I feel, punishing him financially was the best solution, for his first offense.

Never think that I am writing this, because he is an integral part of PAK team; rather what I feel is that the guy is been used as a scarecrow and some people are trying to show credibility at the cost of a big fish cricketer, who comes from relatively a small town & from Sindhi speaking community. If he was caught red handed with evidence, I actually don't think even PCB could have saved him, had they wished so, but here I am not so sure. Besides, the profile of the 3 people judging are not fair - two of them are long term PCB beneficiary & they are not technically qualified enough to run such trials.

Anyway, SK will go to appeal Court, and PCB should have to submit exhibits for the case. If so, may be he should suffer the penalty; but still I won't support banning players for corruption in T20 leagues, which is owned, financed & run by questionable people with dodgy source of money. Fixing matches in International matches - the whole equation changes & probably it would have gone beyond PCB's hand.
 
This case has been poorly handled by now that he's been handed a guilty verdict I would have banned him for life. PCB from now onwards need to give fixers a life ban from cricket.
 
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