[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Controversial dismissal of Yashasvi Jaiswal in India's 2nd innings of the 4th Test against Australia – a fair call or a mistake?

[HitWicket]

You are right but same should have been the case for k l rahul where snicko was reading bat hitting the pad as ball passed the bat , umpire gave it out..

The bat hit the pad well before the ball passed the bat.

 

[Advaith]

The bat hit the pad well before the ball passed the bat.

Daylight between bat and ball was neglected..

 

[HitWicket]

The bat hit the pad well before the ball passed the bat.

After*

 

[FearlessRoar]

Take this warning seriously: No more derailing the thread, making personal remarks, or engaging in political debates

 

[gibsyhesperis]

There will quite regularly be a gap between bat and ball in the first frame that a spike appears on snicko, purely because of the frame rate of the cameras.

But isn't that the point.
In one case you use the visual appearance to overrule snicko, in the other case we accept that the TV technology is not irrefutable.
I agree with Saurav -- he was probably out, but the process used was poor.
This is turning into the debates about VAR in the PL.....

 

[HitWicket]

But isn't that the point.
In one case you use the visual appearance to overrule snicko, in the other case we accept that the TV technology is not irrefutable.
I agree with Saurav -- he was probably out, but the process used was poor.
This is turning into the debates about VAR in the PL.....

Because in one case there is a completely reasonable explanation for the discrepancy, in the other case there is not.

 

[AAli98]

What’s worse a fielder taking a catch on the bounce & appealing or jaiswal knowing his gloved it & still stands there?

 

[Saurav]

There will quite regularly be a gap between bat and ball in the first frame that a spike appears on snicko, purely because of the frame rate of the cameras.

Then we need to abandon snicko and use something else

 

[pillionrider]

Rohit Sharma agreed that Jaiswal did touch the ball but also pointed out how these technology glitches have been affecting them more often than the Australian team, as he said in the post-match press conference of the 4th Test:

"I don't know what to make of it. Technology didn't show but the naked eye did show. I don't know how they use it. In all fairness, he did touch the ball. Technology is not 100 per cent we don't want to look too much. We are the ones falling on the wrong side more often than not."

lol can you close this thread now

 

[emranabbas]

Why are there 4 pages of discussion on a decision that wouldn’t have impacted the match? India would have lost regardless of whether the decision went in their favor or not.

Mods please change thread title to " the rona dhona thread"

 

[shariqnoor]

What is this logic that technology showed there was no spike in Snicko, so therefore it's not out?

Snicko is just one part of technology. A replay of a delivery is also technology.

The fact that there was a clear deviation of the ball after the ball passed the bat/gloves indicates it was out.

If there was HotSpot and it showed a mark, then would you say that because Snicko didn't show a spike it's not out? No you wouldn't. Similarly a replay is also technology and it showed clear deviation, hence it's out. It's basic common sense.

 

[Savak]

One thing people are over looking, that was a poor shot given the situation off the game. Jaiswal had already survived an lbw via umpires call. You can clearly see the ball touching the bat and changing direction after the ball touches the bat. The snickoy failed on this occasion. The umpires made the right decision.

 

[big_gamer007]

The replay technology shows the ball clearly hit the glove. The snicko technology has therefore clearly failed and should be disregarded as per the rules, it's as simple as that.

Which rules says that snicko should be discarded.

If the technology is not apt why was it used? If it is used then why isn’t it being considered?

 

[Rana]

Yashasvi Jaiswal is dismissed for 84(208) in India's second innings of the 4th Test against Australia.

He could have led India to victory, but his dismissal came under controversial circumstances – there’s a visible deflection, but nothing on the snicko.

Was it a fair call or should he have been given not out?

View this content on Instagram

View this content on Instagram

https://twitter.com/x/status/1873605713445974358

That’s not out

If that’s out then so was Pant in the India v Pakistan World Cup game in 2021

 

[big_gamer007]

From what you have mentioned replays come under the banner of technology.

Doesn't this then prove umpire was right? As the replay was conclusive and even you agree that based on replay he nicked it.

Honestly I think this just strengthens the case of the umpire.

Replay is one part of technology.

There have been instances in past where replay clearly showed batsman was plumb LBW however the ball tracking showed umpires call or missing, the 3rd umpire didn’t overturn the decision based on his “judgement” from replay.

If Jaiswals dismissal sets precedence that 3rd umpire can override on field umpires decision based on his judgement contradicting one part of technology then ICC need to change wordings of their rules and then other countries umpires can do same thing.

 

[IMMY69]

Is a tv replay not part of the technology you're talking about?

No reply to this^^

 

[IMMY69]

Replay is one part of technology.

There have been instances in past where replay clearly showed batsman was plumb LBW however the ball tracking showed umpires call or missing, the 3rd umpire didn’t overturn the decision based on his “judgement” from replay.

If Jaiswals dismissal sets precedence that 3rd umpire can override on field umpires decision based on his judgement contradicting one part of technology then ICC need to change wordings of their rules and then other countries umpires can do same thing.

I think you're overlooking something.
With ball tracker, or rather without it, you're guessing if the ball has hit in line or whether it will go on to hit the stumps.

However with sniko, if you can see a clear deflection off bat or glove then there is no guess work involved...

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Sorry that is simply not correct. From where will 3rd umpire get that confidence? He need to back it up with some technology na to being conclusive. That is the purpose of tv umpire...it happens in all sports including VAR in football. Now ofcourse we can question snicko or any technology. But that is not for 3rd umpire in the middle of the game. He should depend on what available technology he has got.

so slow motion replay is also a technology lol RTS , Hawkeye are all assistive tech to aid 3rd umpire. there is nothing in rule book that says you have video evidence of a clear deviation off the gloves but since it did nt show on Snicko , Turn your eyes blind All that third umpire needs is a conclusive evidence. Source of conclusive evidence is not limited in any rule book of ICC. VAR tech in football exists because umpire cannot see it in real time so dependence is 100% in that case. there is no analogy here

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

I think you're overlooking something.
With ball tracker, or rather without it, you're guessing if the ball has hit in line or whether it will go on to hit the stumps.

However with sniko, if you can see a clear deflection off bat or glove then there is no guess work involved...

LBW involves prediction by Umpire so assistive tech in that case is also predictive hence dependence is 100% on tech. Caught off bat or glove has already happened when making a decision , it does nt require prediction so umpire can make judgment based on all available evidence including slow mo replay

 

[Rana]

Let’s call a spade a spade, and not try to prove it scientifically.

The decision is reviewed because there is a doubt either from the bowling side or the batsman

It is the duty of the 3rd umpire to use the evidence available to him via technology to clarify what should be the right decision.

The evidence in this case has proven that there is no clear sound when the ball passes the bat.

Hence, the decision should be NOT OUT.

End of discussion. Speak the truth now so that the truth prevails when you are on the receiving end!

 

[Devadwal]

Let’s call a spade a spade, and not try to prove it scientifically.

The decision is reviewed because there is a doubt either from the bowling side or the batsman

It is the duty of the 3rd umpire to use the evidence available to him via technology to clarify what should be the right decision.

The evidence in this case has proven that there is no clear sound when the ball passes the bat.

Hence, the decision should be NOT OUT.

End of discussion. Speak the truth now so that the truth prevails when you are on the receiving end!

Well said. Pakistan fan's are enjoying because it happened against india.

 

[Major]

Let’s call a spade a spade, and not try to prove it scientifically.

The decision is reviewed because there is a doubt either from the bowling side or the batsman

It is the duty of the 3rd umpire to use the evidence available to him via technology to clarify what should be the right decision.

The evidence in this case has proven that there is no clear sound when the ball passes the bat.

Hence, the decision should be NOT OUT.

End of discussion. Speak the truth now so that the truth prevails when you are on the receiving end!

Starts off by saying not use science. Than talks about clearing doubt. Than mentions technology (contradicts his science point). Than forgets that a video replay is also technology. Than talks about evidence while over looking the clear evidence from the replay that there was an edge.

I have seen Saeed Ajmal speak with better logic in english compared to what you have said

 

[Amjid Javed]

Well said. Pakistan fan's are enjoying because it happened against india.

Just like you were doing bhangra over the decisions in Pakistan vs SA test.

You got humbled and you don't like it, typical snow flake cricket fan

 

[Rana]

I have seen Saeed Ajmal speak with better logic in english compared to what you have said

That’s why you argue Rizwan is a better batsman than Inzimam

Your comprehension of what’s correct in English is at sea here.

 

[Amjid Javed]

,

 

[Devadwal]

Just like you were doing bhangra over the decisions in Pakistan vs SA test.

You got humbled and you don't like it, typical snow flake cricket fan

You need to Read full conservation first. Picking and choosing a line between a discussion is always not Tell the full story.

 

[wrongun]

What’s worse a fielder taking a catch on the bounce & appealing or jaiswal knowing his gloved it & still stands there?

One is actively cheating and one is respecting the umpires right to make the decision without trying to influence him

 

[90MPH]

Strange one as it looked out from visual point of view.

Snicko is inconclusive however.

Meh, no point crying about it. He was LBW but umpire gave him benefit of the doubt

 

[Savak]

Mohd Rizwan suffered the same kind of controversial dismissal in the second test at the MCG when he was batting really well

 

[Amjid Javed]

You need to Read full conservation first. Picking and choosing a line between a discussion is always not Tell the full story.

I don't need to read anything, you were trolling during the pak vs SA test

All the jokes about Pakistan and home umpiring not saving them like the past.

You do realise it's Pakistan who actually called for neutral umpires in the 1980s

So you got a taste of your own medicine

Where is @Buffet seems he has done a

We need the stats for most excuses made in this thread

Also stats for when did Indian fans cry most this year.

1) after ODI WC
2) after 3-0 NZ defeat
3) today after loss vs Aus

 

[IMMY69]

Let’s call a spade a spade, and not try to prove it scientifically.

The decision is reviewed because there is a doubt either from the bowling side or the batsman

It is the duty of the 3rd umpire to use the evidence available to him via technology to clarify what should be the right decision.

The evidence in this case has proven that there is no clear sound when the ball passes the bat.

Hence, the decision should be NOT OUT.

End of discussion. Speak the truth now so that the truth prevails when you are on the receiving end!

Mr "I am always right", "I'm the gospel truth when it comes to cricket, "Rizwan/Babar are the destroyers of Pakistan Cricket", "Asif Ali should be captain".. has spoken.

Sorry not quiet calling a spade a spade but you get the gist

 

[shaz619]

Indian fans in this thread:

 

[Rana]

Mohd Rizwan suffered the same kind of controversial dismissal in the second test at the MCG when he was batting really well

Can you share the video of his decision here so that we can investigate

 

[Rana]

Out

Yes, out of his mind is the 3rd umpire

 

[wrongun]

Strange one as it looked out from visual point of view.

Snicko is inconclusive however.

Meh, no point crying about it. He was LBW but umpire gave him benefit of the doubt

Don't you know how to play this game? You must ignore all close decisions which go India's way and then cry cheating whenever one goes the other way. All while ignoring why the same umpires giving decisions your way are suddenly cheats when they go the other way. Catch up man!

 

[IMMY69]

I’m not here to pander to your emotions. I’m not here to provide a tissue to your tears.

If my truth is painful to digest, well sorry, deal with it.

Urrrm actually no one wants you to pander to anything.... your post, just like many Indian posters here, are ignoring the most important thing... I.e that tv replays are also part of the technology and he did in fact hit the ball.... which umpire is going to ignore that evidence?

 

[Major]

That’s why you argue Rizwan is a better batsman than Inzimam

Your comprehension of what’s correct in English is at sea here.

clearly you dont understand what the word science is nor do you know what technology is

 

[Major]

Urrrm actually no one wants you to pander to anything.... your post, just like many Indian posters here, are ignoring the most important thing... I.e that tv replays are also part of the technology and he did in fact hit the ball.... which umpire is going to ignore that evidence?

according to him, technology is not part of science.

 

[Rana]

clearly you dont understand what the word science is nor do you know what technology is

No I think that’s something you prove to not understand.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Admission of nicking the ball by Captain Rohit Sharma:

"I don't know what to make of that, because the technology didn't show anything,"

"But with the naked eye, it seemed that he did touch (the ball). So I don't know how the umpires want to use the technology, but in all fairness, I think he did touch the ball.

"But it's about the technology, which we all know is not 100 per cent … It's just that more often than not, we are the ones falling on the wrong side of it … I feel we've been a little bit unfortunate."

Thoughts by Pat Cummins:

"Oh look, I think it was just clear that he hit it. We heard a noise, saw a deviation, so it was absolutely certain that he hit it. As soon as we referred it, you could see him drop his head and basically acknowledge that he hit it. On the screen you can see he hit it,”

However, Cummins, expressed his displeasure at the quality of technology being used for ultra edge in detecting the spikes."

“Ultra-edge… I don't think anyone has complete confidence in it and didn't really show much but fortunately there's enough other evidence to show it was clearly out,”

 

[sweep_shot]

Admission of nicking the ball by Jaiswal, by Captain Rohit Sharma:

"I don't know what to make of that, because the technology didn't show anything," he said.

"But with the naked eye, it seemed that he did touch (the ball). So I don't know how the umpires want to use the technology, but in all fairness, I think he did touch the ball.

Great to see Rohit admitting it (unlike some of the Indian posters here).

 

[RexRex]

SunnyG thinks the deviation could be an optical illusion.
MEDIA=streamable]p409oa[/MEDIA]

 

[IMMY69]

SunnyG thinks the deviation could be an optical illusion.

Sunny G also thinks Pakistan lost the South Africa test on purpose

 

[The Bald Eagle]

SunnyG thinks the deviation could be an optical illusion.

Here we go again

 

[RexRex]

Sunny G also thinks Pakistan lost the South Africa test on purpose

He never said that.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys please refrain from making it a Babar Rizwan thread

 

[shaz619]

Sunny G also thinks Pakistan lost the South Africa test on purpose

Bawa G hasn’t taken his meds this morning

 

[IMMY69]

Well, you posted this before I mentioned Rizwan or Babar,

Why cry Wolf now?

That was because, and I say this in a well meaning way, various threads are "emotionally draining" watching mainly two posters going on and on about the same thing..... tag each other and then rather then trying to argue your point in a proper way, rather the posts are demeaning and often damn right cruel...

Why not be less narcissistic that way everyone can enjoy PP just that bit more...

But my post to you was out of frustration and I put my hands up to that

 

[Major]

SunnyG thinks the deviation could be an optical illusion.

and than we have indian fans tell us that a trophy called a BGT is bigger than Ashes. The guy whos name is placed on the trophy thinks, when an Indian batsman edges the ball its an optical illusion. What a joker

 

[RexRex]

and than we have indian fans tell us that a trophy called a BGT is bigger than Ashes. The guy whos name is placed on the trophy thinks, when an Indian batsman edges the ball its an optical illusion. What a joker

Here's a possibility - the dense air pressure create by the rapid glove movement could have nudged the ball in a diff direction, similiar to how wings of a plane lift due to diff in air pressure beneath and over the wing. Fluid dynamics 101.

 

[mominsaigol]

That was because, and I say this in a well meaning way, various threads are "emotionally draining" watching mainly two posters going on and on about the same thing..... tag each other and then rather then trying to argue your point in a proper way, rather the posts are demeaning and often damn right cruel...

Why not be less narcissistic that way everyone can enjoy PP just that bit more...

But my post to you was out of frustration and I put my hands up to that

When i argue my point in a meaningful way, people either run away or bring buddies to gang up and still get butchered left and right.

Don't complain I speak the exact same tone as others who wish to address me/rana.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Sunny G: this match never actually happened. It was all part of the matrix. Jaiswal is neo and bowler, umpire and whole stadium is Agent Smith.

 

[Rana]

Why not be less narcissistic that way everyone can enjoy PP just that bit more...

There is no rule in life where everyone has to behave in a way that is accepted. There are laws of the land which must be adhered to. As long as I follow those laws/rules, I am allowed to behave the way I want. I appreciate your advise, but I will continue to be myself. I’m not here to entertain, I’m here to say what I feel is right.

God bless freedom of speech

God bless America!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Here's a possibility - the dense air pressure create by the rapid glove movement could have nudged the ball in a diff direction, similiar to how wings of a plane lift due to diff in air pressure beneath and over the wing. Fluid dynamics 101.

Let's hope you don't try and catch a flight on that plane you have just imagined.

 

[mominsaigol]

There is no rule in life where everyone has to behave in a way that is accepted. There are laws of the land which must be adhered to. As long as I follow those laws/rules, I am allowed to behave the way I want. I appreciate your advise, but I will continue to be myself. I’m not here to entertain, I’m here to say what I feel is right.

God bless freedom of speech

God bless America!

Bro these guys are acting like their saints. Look at some of their comments .

This is why people need to point fingers in the mirror before pointing it at others.

 

[big_gamer007]

I think you're overlooking something.
With ball tracker, or rather without it, you're guessing if the ball has hit in line or whether it will go on to hit the stumps.

However with sniko, if you can see a clear deflection off bat or glove then there is no guess work involved...

You are missing the point along with every other poster here.

As per ICC rules there should be concrete evidence to overturn an on field umpires decision.

As per historically ICC umpiring guidelines which umpires follows benefit of doubt should go to batsman.

Snicko created enough doubt that the third umpire couldn’t have given it out.
Snicko planted a seed that it was not 100% clear if the ball hit the bat/glove or just deviated due to late lateral movement which often happens in cricket.


So, even if there is 0.000000001% doubt, it is still a doubt and not conclusive. Hence, on field umpires decision can’t be overturned.

That is as per ICC rules.

Had the on field umpire given it out, I would have agreed with you. But to reverse his decision without conclusive proof and a 0.1% doubt is where the third umpire failed in following ICC rules and should be either sent back to training or ICC needs to amend their rules/wordings of their rules.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Well said. Pakistan fan's are enjoying because it happened against india.

Rohit Sharma in post match said in all fairness he did hit. so no point of this thread anymore. There was no cheating against India

 

[DeadlyVenom]

They need to be careful bro

@cricketjoshila has wrote a letter of complaint to GOI about PP.

 

[Major]

Here's a possibility - the dense air pressure create by the rapid glove movement could have nudged the ball in a diff direction, similiar to how wings of a plane lift due to diff in air pressure beneath and over the wing. Fluid dynamics 101.

yes and pigs can fly.

The captain himself has said it was a clear edge, so what dense air pressure are you talking about

 

[Devadwal]

why did u remove the video of sunny ?

Why you need that when umpire can give decision based on photo's but not trust on technology.

Same case here.

 

[RexRex]

The captain himself has said it was a clear edge, so what dense air pressure are you talking about

Take a phsyics class, you'll understand.

 

[Major]

Take a phsyics class, you'll understand.

Watch your own captains press conference, you will understand.

Air pressure mimicking edges . All these logics apply to when India losses.

Is someone keeping a count on the conspiracy theories here?

1. Optical Illusion (sunny)
2. Air pressure (RexRex)
3. Govt of India needs to act (Joshilla)

 

[Devadwal]

This thread will bump regularly when some decison will not go in favour of certain team .

That time BCCI= ICC

Hint of that team- their test record in australia since 1995 same as a flat line on snicko .

 

[Devadwal]

Take a phsyics class, you'll understand.

He don't even know what is physics so forget about Fluid dynamics saar.

Tell him to eat more meat to improve his knowledge.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys please be polite here and keep engaging in healthy debate

 

[Mamoon]

Indians can cry all the want, but let’s not forget that India would have lost anyway and also, Jaiswal was super lucky to avoid the LBW call earlier, so it balanced out.

 

[RexRex]

Watch your own captains press conference, you will understand.

Air pressure mimicking edges . All these logics apply to when India losses.

Is someone keeping a count on the conspiracy theories here?

1. Optical Illusion (sunny)
2. Air pressure (RexRex)
3. Govt of India needs to act (Joshilla)

I'm just offering an alternate theory. I believe this is the first time since DRS began that snicko aka audio data is clearly contradicting the visual data. We can all agree there's a diversion when ball arrives near the glove.

 

[Major]

I'm just offering an alternate theory. I believe this is the first time since DRS began that snicko aka audio data is clearly contradicting the visual data. We can all agree there's a diversion when ball arrives near the glove.

no need for any alternate theory when the captain of the team has admitted it was an edge.

conspiracy theory nothing else.

 

[sweep_shot]

They need to be careful bro

@cricketjoshila has wrote a letter of complaint to GOI about PP.

I would love to read that letter.

I have always known about @cricketjoshila's delusion but this is truly next level.

 

[emranabbas]

Well said. Pakistan fan's are enjoying because it happened against india.

Didn't you mention that you come to this forum to enjoy the misery of Pakistani fans during the CT25 hybrid model issue?

If you can dish it out, then learn to take it too,

no need to cry now.

 

[oatmeal]

It was out but if Pakistan was at the receiving end of such a decision, there would 100% be threads complaining about it. its one of those things which stings if you are at the receiving end but not if you are a neutral

 

[emranabbas]

It was out but if Pakistan was at the receiving end of such a decision, there would 100% be threads complaining about it. its one of those things which stings if you are at the receiving end but not if you are a neutral

Pakistanis have every right to complain and discuss and create as many threads they like on Pakistani forum its will be bit stupid and silly for pakiatanis to go on an Indian forum and create such thread and cry for sympathy

 

[YousafTheBeast]

It was out but if Pakistan was at the receiving end of such a decision, there would 100% be threads complaining about it. its one of those things which stings if you are at the receiving end but not if you are a neutral

Why would it sting if you know it’s out loool??

If it hit the middle of the bat and went straight to 3rd slip, and there was no murmur on snicko are you going to say it “stings” because the umpire didn’t use the technology to make his decision but his own eyes?

 

[Snowflake]

Let’s call a spade a spade, and not try to prove it scientifically.

The decision is reviewed because there is a doubt either from the bowling side or the batsman

It is the duty of the 3rd umpire to use the evidence available to him via technology to clarify what should be the right decision.

The evidence in this case has proven that there is no clear sound when the ball passes the bat.

Hence, the decision should be NOT OUT.

End of discussion. Speak the truth now so that the truth prevails when you are on the receiving end!

The biggest load of bull I have heard in a while.

He used the evidence based on his vision. The deflection was so big that you do not even need intricate technology to prove it.

What in the world are you on about?

 

[Snowflake]

He don't even know what is physics so forget about Fluid dynamics saar.

Tell him to eat more meat to improve his knowledge.

Bro that's how the world makes fun of Indians. You will never hear a Pakistani talk like that lol

 

[Snowflake]

Well said. Pakistan fan's are enjoying because it happened against india.

So you think it was not out?

 

[Devadwal]

Bro that's how the world makes fun of Indians. You will never hear a Pakistani talk like that lol

Let's not talk about Pakistan/ india reputation in The World.

You'll run aways in few minutes after getting realty check

#Fact

 

[Snowflake]

Take a phsyics class, you'll understand.

I thought your earlier post was sarcasm... but, now maybe not?

 

[Snowflake]

Let's not talk about Pakistan/ india reputation in The World.

You'll run aways in few minutes after getting realty check

#Fact

You can try - let's see what happens.

Still, some insults are so unique to a nation that it just seems wrong to try to pin those on someone else. There's a lot of subject matter for you guys to stick it to us, why not use that? lol

 

[Devadwal]

You can try - let's see what happens.

Still, some insults are so unique to a nation that it just seems wrong to try to pin those on someone else. There's a lot of subject matter for you guys to stick it to us, why not use that? lol

Than Start a new thread in timepass section and tag me there.