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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Controversial dismissal of Yashasvi Jaiswal in India's 2nd innings of the 4th Test against Australia – a fair call or a mistake?

Was Yashasvi Jaiswal's dismissal in the 4th Test against Australia fair?

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When the DRS was integrated into the sport, the purpose was to make the right decision more often.

If the umpire had given this NOT OUT on a technicality, it would have been a terrible look for the sport. We can't watch the footage with a serious face and say it was not out.

I understand Indian fans are upset with the loss but 1-2 days of assessment will allow you guys to realize it was better this way. You shouldn't want your team to succeed on the back of blatantly wrong decisions.
 
kingusama92 said:
When the DRS was integrated into the sport, the purpose was to make the right decision more often.

If the umpire had given this NOT OUT on a technicality, it would have been a terrible look for the sport. We can't watch the footage with a serious face and say it was not out.

I understand Indian fans are upset with the loss but 1-2 days of assessment will allow you guys to realize it was better this way. You shouldn't want your team to succeed on the back of blatantly wrong decisions.
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Brother you have interacted with Indians for over a decade on this forum. I understand you are a polite and neutral poster but I can't believe you typed this with a straight face and really expect Indians to behave sensibly eventually.
 
HitWicket said:
If 1 technology fails then the umpires can still make a decision using the other available technology (in this case the replay showing a clear deflection off the gloves).




Incorrect based on what I've written above.




Yes, the rest of the world has moved on to ultra-edge.
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Ultra edge is same. Developed by the same BBG sports. Its just a advanced version.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Brother you have interacted with Indians for over a decade on this forum. I understand you are a polite and neutral poster but I can't believe you typed this with a straight face and really expect Indians to behave sensibly eventually.
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It was a wrong decision by a sellout umpire. As you can see from the pictures I posted above, there was zero contact with the glove. The deflection you see was just a glitch in the matrix.
 
kingusama92 said:
When the DRS was integrated into the sport, the purpose was to make the right decision more often.

If the umpire had given this NOT OUT on a technicality, it would have been a terrible look for the sport. We can't watch the footage with a serious face and say it was not out.

I understand Indian fans are upset with the loss but 1-2 days of assessment will allow you guys to realize it was better this way. You shouldn't want your team to succeed on the back of blatantly wrong decisions.
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If protocol has to be ditched to make the rdecision, then it has to be followed every time. It cannot be on the whim of one person.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Ultra edge is same. Developed by the same BBG sports. Its just a advanced version.
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Ultra edge is developed by Hawk Eye, it makes use of ball tracking to aid the technology. Australia are the only country who haven't adopted it because they don't use Hawk Eye for ball tracking.

cricketjoshila said:
If protocol has to be ditched to make the rdecision, then it has to be followed every time. It cannot be on the whim of one person.
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Protocol wasn't ditched, it was followed perfectly.
 
sweep_shot said:
The deflection was clearly visible. That was overwhelming enough.

Gavaskar is being a sore loser just like Indian posters here.
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You can't overturn umpire's decision on visual basis. You are referring to technology, technology didn't show evedence yet you ignored technology. So why you asked for sniko then?

It was a mistake in my view
 
Mainul said:
You can't overturn umpire's decision on visual basis. You are referring to technology, technology didn't show evedence yet you ignored technology. So why you asked for sniko then?

It was a mistake in my view
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Is replay and slow mo not technology?
 
Rajdeep said:
There is no agenda brother. I am just stating the rule laid down for 3rd umpires to abide which in this case umpires clearly didnt. Otherwise lets get rid of ball tracking, snicko, hotspot, ultraedge everything and let 3rd umpires trust their blind eye. If this decision was given against Aussies instead of India, you along with others here will using different tone.
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I don’t recall ever whining about umpiring decisions that went against Australia or any other team here. I don’t use them as excuses either. You must be confusing me with @Devadwal. Sounds like a classic case of angoor khatte hai. :kp :inti
 
Mainul said:
You can't overturn umpire's decision on visual basis. You are referring to technology, technology didn't show evedence yet you ignored technology. So why you asked for sniko then?

It was a mistake in my view
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Even Rohit Sharma admitted Jaiswal touched the ball. The debate is over and closed. Read cricinfo comment of the wicket if you are still confused.
 
Mainul said:
How Rohit admitted it? In interview?
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Read the previous post Mods added. 3rd umpire took multiple times before making decisions when only 1 replay was needed to see clear deflection. Plus, Rohit admitted Jaiswal touched the ball. So umpire was spot on.
 
kingusama92 said:
When the DRS was integrated into the sport, the purpose was to make the right decision more often.

If the umpire had given this NOT OUT on a technicality, it would have been a terrible look for the sport. We can't watch the footage with a serious face and say it was not out.

I understand Indian fans are upset with the loss but 1-2 days of assessment will allow you guys to realize it was better this way. You shouldn't want your team to succeed on the back of blatantly wrong decisions.
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Agreed. It was the right decision and its not the reason we lost. When you are carrying fossils like Rohit and Kohli in a lineup, you can't blame any one decision - let alone a correct one like this.
 
Mainul said:
You can't overturn umpire's decision on visual basis. You are referring to technology, technology didn't show evedence yet you ignored technology. So why you asked for sniko then?

It was a mistake in my view
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Decision was right. Jaiswal touched it with the glove.

Even Simon Taufel said it was the right decision.

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FearlessRoar said:
Yashasvi Jaiswal is dismissed for 84(208) in India's second innings of the 4th Test against Australia.

He could have led India to victory, but his dismissal came under controversial circumstances – there’s a visible deflection, but nothing on the snicko.

Was it a fair call or should he have been given not out?

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1873605713445974358
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200 runs in 20 overs beyond even Jaiswal surely ??
 
Rajdeep said:
The rule says 3rd umpire must have conclusive evidence based on available technology to rule out onfield decision.

In this case the onfield umpire gave him not out and the technology concurred.

However, the third umpire ignored the technology and overruled onfield decision. So he was incorrect in giving Jaiswal out.

May I remind, the same 3rd umpire just few overs later trusted the same snicko and overruled onfield umpire decision again to give Akashdeep out.

I am not saying India would have won but fair is fair. In this case, 3rd umpire was not being fair and the decisions were massively biased against India.
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rules talk about conclusive evidence. do not mention anything about conclusive technological evidence. its only to assist
 
Mainul said:
How Rohit admitted it? In interview?
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Rohit Sharma admitted Jaiswal touched the ball. Here is the article: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...ersial-caught-decision-out-or-not-out-1467195.

Rohit Sharma's quote --> "I don't know what to make of that because the technology didn't show anything, but with the naked eye it seemed like he did touch something," Rohit Sharma told the press after the game. "I don't know how the umpires want to use the technology, but in all fairness, I think he did touch the ball…

"It's about the technology, which we know is not 100% - more often than not we are the ones falling on the wrong side of it… that's where we are unfortunate."
 
HitWicket said:
Ultra edge is developed by Hawk Eye, it makes use of ball tracking to aid the technology. Australia are the only country who haven't adopted it because they don't use Hawk Eye for ball tracking.



Protocol wasn't ditched, it was followed perfectly.
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No. Ultra edge is developed by BBG sports. Same as Real time snicko.

Protocol wasn't followed. If snicko wasn't functional or malfunctioning then DRS wasn't Fully functional.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Australia doesn't use hawkeye for ball tracking I didn't know that ? You got any valid sources here to confirm ?
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Fox (the host broadcaster in Australia) use Virtual Eye instead. It's regularly referenced on commentary and you'll find plenty of information online about it.
 
HitWicket said:
Fox (the host broadcaster in Australia) use Virtual Eye instead. It's regularly referenced on commentary and you'll find plenty of information online about it.
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That's not a valid source, you are saying something, can you put up a valid source here like a link which shows Australia doesn't use hawkeye
 
Enough to put end to the discussion. Snicko is not the only technology which us used to make decision, it is one of the technologies. If it looks out with naked eye having clear deflection and snicko doesn't catches it, the glitch lies with technology not the human eye
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DeadlyVenom said:
What does Simon Taufel know about umpiring?

We should take the word of angry Indians and their knowledge of the "rules" over this guy
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When experts say Bumrahs action is clean, pakistanis don't believe that.

But they want Indians to take the word of an Aussie.
 
mango_bite77 said:
Enough to put end to the discussion. Snicko is not the only technology which us used to make decision, it is one of the technologies. If it looks out with naked eye having clear deflection and snicko doesn't catches it, the glitch lies with technology not the human eye
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If technology and human eye differ then its not conclusive evidence to overturn onfield umpires decision.
 
Lol indians are crying.

This is just a pure example of watching your own media and believeing it.

Alot of the bs is being spread by the hindi commentary channel.

Indians and there habit of crying.
 
cricketjoshila said:
No. Ultra edge is developed by BBG sports. Same as Real time snicko.
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Incorrect again, Ultra Edge is developed by Hawk Eye hence it not being used in Australia.

"Ultra-edge', Hawk Eye's version of Snicko*, has been approved for use as part of the Decision Review System (DRS)..." - https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ultra-edge-ready-for-test-use-930623

cricketjoshila said:
If snicko wasn't functional or malfunctioning then DRS wasn't Fully functional.
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One aspect of the review system clearly failed, the other aspects of the review system still allowed the correct decision to be made. The protocol was followed perfectly fine to get to the correct decision.
 
cricketjoshila said:
If technology and human eye differ then its not conclusive evidence to overturn onfield umpires decision.
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cricketjoshila said:
When experts say Bumrahs action is clean, pakistanis don't believe that.

But they want Indians to take the word of an Aussie.
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Ahh gems

When expert says its out. Indians dont wana believe it because they lose out to another icc trophy.
 
The funny thing is how the country and its fans that never wanted drs in the beginning are today whining.

Its not like they are whining about a wrong decision made, but they are whining that why they were not allowed to get away with a loophole....

Had this been india taking a wicket against Australia like this, these same call center agents would had defended it.
 
Romali_rotti said:
That's not a valid source, you are saying something, can you put up a valid source here like a link which shows Australia doesn't use hawkeye
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Virtual Eye have always been the providers of ball tracking to the host broadcaster for DRS in Australia:

"The company responsible for ball-tracking technology in Australia has extended an open invite to Tim Paine and his frustrated teammates to review the reviews."

www.rnz.co.nz

Virtual Eye boss' open door to Aussies

The company responsible for ball-tracking technology in Australia has extended an open invite to Tim Paine and his frustrated teammates to review the reviews.
www.rnz.co.nz www.rnz.co.nz
 
Romali_rotti said:
I've been well my dude. Hope you have been also, if this Jaiswal decision didn't happen and followed by an Indian loss would have been a perfect day for me.

My Philadelphia Eagles won, my boi Saquan Barkley has rushed for over 2000 yards for the season and we looking solid...

That Jaiswal decision left a sour taste on an overall very good day for me.
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Yeah I can see why decisions like that in defeat can be irritating,

The whole overturning, not overturning based on substantial evidence is weird at times. Espcially as one min snicko is working, the next it isn't.

Oh thats good the philly eagles won. Yeah I am all good thanks
 
cricketjoshila said:
NZ and Australia likely use virtual eye. A NZ based company.
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Well I just did some digging up, turns out they use Hawkeye in BBL so it is definitely being used in Aus, looks like @HitWicket was not correct when he said Hawkeye was not used in Australia.

While VirtualEye's ball-tracking is used by the host broadcaster Fox Cricket, the rival Seven network has HawkEye ball-tracking in place for analytical use.

Seven network is covering the India tour of Aus in Aus btw.

www.espncricinfo.com

Paine lbw on both VirtualEye and HawkEye

The Australia captain looked set for a maiden Test ton until he was given out on review
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com
 
Devadwal said:
Say a person who think indian banning pakistan players in IPL is discrimination.

:kp :dw
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Oh man, a loss so bad, that they are crying about an out decision not being made not out in there favor....

Indian fans find new ways to cry about not winning.
 
Major said:
Oh man, a loss so bad, that they are crying about an out decision not being made not out in there favor....

Indian fans find new ways to cry about not winning.
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We are already won back to Back test series in australia which you tean can't even think in the dreams.

We have still not lost the series despite sellout umpiring.

One test is still remaining .
:kp
 
Romali_rotti said:
Well I just did some digging up, turns out they use Hawkeye in BBL so it is definitely being used in Aus, looks like @HitWicket was not correct when he said Hawkeye was not used in Australia.

While VirtualEye's ball-tracking is used by the host broadcaster Fox Cricket, the rival Seven network has HawkEye ball-tracking in place for analytical use.

Seven network is covering the India tour of Aus in Aus btw.

www.espncricinfo.com

Paine lbw on both VirtualEye and HawkEye

The Australia captain looked set for a maiden Test ton until he was given out on review
www.espncricinfo.com www.espncricinfo.com
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We're quite clearly talking about international cricket, for which Fox are the host broadcaster. Yes, Seven are an additional broadcaster for test cricket.
 
SpiritOf1903 said:
Why you not crying on an Australian forum :viru :rp :facepalm: :yk :gilly
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They don't whine like you guys.

Pakistani Cricket is struggling at no.7 and pakistanis are talking about Indian cricket. We don't get such begani shaadi mein Abdullah dewana anywhere else.
 
HitWicket said:
We're quite clearly talking about international cricket, for which Fox are the host broadcaster. Yes, Seven are an additional broadcaster for test cricket.
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Lol.ok.

I heard Ponting and blewett saying numerous times on the commentary so far in the series: what does hawkeye show where the ball is hitting.

Hawkeye is clearly being used unless you can provide solid evidence it is not being used.
 
Devadwal said:
We are already won back to Back test series in australia which you tean can't even think in the dreams.

We have still not lost the series despite sellout umpiring.

One test is still remaining .
:kp
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Oh man, celebrating a win of the last test championship cycle.

Yup thats the only thing you can celebrate, cause you lost the current series.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Lol.ok.

I heard Ponting and blewett saying numerous times on the commentary what does hawkeye show where the ball is hitting.

Hawkeye is clearly being used unless you can provide solid evidence it is not being used.
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Pointing and Blewett work for Seven. Seven have a partnership with Hawk Eye but do not provide the technology for DRS as they are not the host broadcaster. Fox have that role, and they have a partnership with Virtual Eye.
 
Devadwal said:
We are already won back to Back test series in australia which you tean can't even think in the dreams.

We have still not lost the series despite sellout umpiring.

One test is still remaining .
:kp
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Pakistan team is ranked number 7. The only solace their fans have is a India loss.

Watch them cry even more when matches of CT are held in Dubai.
 
HitWicket said:
Pointing and Blewett work for Seven. Seven have a partnership with Hawk Eye but do not provide the technology for DRS as they are not the host broadcaster. Fox have that role, and they have a partnership with Virtual Eye.
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You still haven't proved Hawkeye is not being used.

If Ponting and Blewett are openly saying something which the supposed main sponsor Fox doesn't endorse then they would be removed from the commentary box.
 
Romali_rotti said:
You still haven't proved Hawkeye is not being used.

If Ponting and Blewett are openly saying something which the supposed main sponsor Fox doesn't endorse then they would be removed from the commentary box.
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I'm not sure how much more I can simplify this for you:

Hawk Eye have a partnership with Seven. Ponting and Blewett do commentary for Seven. Ponting and Blewett have access to whatever services Hawk Eye are providing to Seven. Ponting and Blewett are free to refer to Hawk Eye, their employer is literally paying them for their services.

Seven are not the host broadcaster. Fox are the host broadcaster. The host broadcaster provide the technology for DRS. Fox use Virtual Eye. Virtual Eye is used for DRS.
 
Anyways we have lost so better to prepare for final test.

Series is still alive. We can make 2-2 Even umpiring blunder
 
I think this was a poor decision, because of the process.

In the absence of a spike, it is hard to say that the 3rd umpire had clear and conclusive evidence that he was out, such that he should overrule the on-field umpire.
The emphasis being on “clear and conclusive”.

A time honoured principle in cricket has been that the “benefit of the doubt” goes with the batsman.

Yes, there was what appeared to be a deflection but we are looking at a 2D image of reality — how often do we see low catches when replays suggest the ball is touching the ground when in reality it was a clean catch.

What do we do in the future, when there is zero deflection but snicko (or whatever technology is used) suggests there was an edge ?

The referral system was introduced to prevent absolute howlers being made by on-field umpires eg ball pitching six inches outside leg and being given out.

I simply do not think the third umpire had enough evidence to overrule.
 
Can't believe this discussion has gone into 4 pages, when this was clearly out. As I batsmen I would start walking when I see the reply. It was clearly out.
 
HitWicket said:
I'm not sure how much more I can simplify this for you:

Hawk Eye have a partnership with Seven. Ponting and Blewett do commentary for Seven. Ponting and Blewett have access to whatever services Hawk Eye are providing to Seven. Ponting and Blewett are free to refer to Hawk Eye, their employer is literally paying them for their services.

Seven are not the host broadcaster. Fox are the host broadcaster. The host broadcaster provide the technology for DRS. Fox use Virtual Eye. Virtual Eye is used for DRS.
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Oh that's alright then, where does it say the host broadcaster provides the DRS technology?
 
Romali_rotti said:
Oh that's alright then, where does it say the host broadcaster provides the DRS technology?
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You'll struggle to find that explicitly stated anywhere because it just seems to be common sense.

Here's some footage showing virtual eye as the DRS operator though:
 
it was out

but the concern is double standards in using technology.

KL Rahul was given out in Perth when there was big gap between bat and pad but snicko flared up, then snicko was considered primary evidence. Today it was ignored.
 
kingusama92 said:
I can't side with the idea of giving the wrong decision on a technicality.

It was out so it should be out.
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You are right but same should have been the case for k l rahul where snicko was reading bat hitting the pad as ball passed the bat , umpire gave it out..
 
Saurav said:
it was out

but the concern is double standards in using technology.

KL Rahul was given out in Perth when there was big gap between bat and pad but snicko flared up, then snicko was considered primary evidence. Today it was ignored.
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There will quite regularly be a gap between bat and ball in the first frame that a spike appears on snicko, purely because of the frame rate of the cameras.
 
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