Is the current Pakistan team over-relying on Hasan Ali?

[maxamax]

I know Hasan Ali had little significance in today's game but there was a recently published article which verified my doubts. The "world's best attack" averages in 30s for ODIs minus Hasan Ali who's averaging around 20. Even before it was obvious that Hasan Ali is the reason our attack is looking good but such dependency over a single is alarming. What if he goes injured or loses touch? That 30+ averaging attack will get plundered then.

 

[Logical]

Decent thread given the stats you provided, but i have faith in Raees, Shadab and Faheem especially. Should rest Hassan for the final game, he has played many meaningless games already (i.e 4th and 5th odi), injury is just around the corner.

 

[waleed88]

Yes our team is over reliant on our bowling in general. Batting is the secondary forte that provides support to the primary weapon which is the bowling.
Neutralize the bowling and Pakistan are a pack of cards.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

The likes of Ruman, Shinwari and father are emerging now

Shadab also has established himself this year

So I expect those numbers to have less of discrepancy in a years time

 

[waleed88]

We have oldies, Babar Azam that will never chase down 300 in ODIs, or 200s in t20s.

There was a time where that could've happened when our bowling was absolutely pathetic, but batsmen still never stood up in those times.

 

[silentkiller187]

Pakistan relied heavily on Amir before Hasan Ali's emergence. The form of Shinwari, Ruman and Faheem can hopefully take Pakistans attack to the next level, not forgetting Amir, and Junaid looks like a good pool to choose from.

 

[Savak]

Pakistan relied heavily on Amir before Hasan Ali's emergence. The form of Shinwari, Ruman and Faheem can hopefully take Pakistans attack to the next level, not forgetting Amir, and Junaid looks like a good pool to choose from.

Not really, Amir did not support the other bowlers most of the times.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

His red hot form is papering the grand canyon size cracks in the team.

imad looks unfit. sarfaraz out of position. shehzad sleepy. hafeez just say looks like hafeez. that's like 4 out of 11 first team players.

 

[maxamax]

The likes of Ruman, Shinwari and father are emerging now

Shadab also has established himself this year

So I expect those numbers to have less of discrepancy in a years time

Shinwari has only performed once against a C-grade team. Ruman has taken cheap wickets so far and is yet to dominate over a proper lineup.

Shahdab will only get plundered by slightly better teams. Performance against this SL team are worthless.

Yet to see an effective and consistent (pace) bowler in lineup. For now its Hasan Ali alone.

 

[maxamax]

The likes of Ruman, Shinwari and father are emerging now

Shadab also has established himself this year

So I expect those numbers to have less of discrepancy in a years time

His red hot form is papering the grand canyon size cracks in the team.

imad looks unfit. sarfaraz out of position. shehzad sleepy. hafeez just say looks like hafeez. that's like 4 out of 11 first team players.

They are always like that. Its the lack of another great bowler in remaining 7 which worries me. Reminds me of 2007's Asif.

 

[ads101]

The pacers yes, which is why Hasan should have been rested to see how the pace attack does without him.

Shadab has been doing fine though. Seems to get better every match.

 

[Mamoon]

The likes of Ruman, Shinwari and father are emerging now

Shadab also has established himself this year

So I expect those numbers to have less of discrepancy in a years time

Faheem's hat-trick was a little flukey to be honest, but I’m more worried about his poor ball striking.

 

[babajee]

Amir
Hasan
Shadab

These 3 are our X factor. In an ODI that’s 30 overs and in a T20 it’s 12 overs.

Now we just need bowlers who can keep it tight and maintain pressure to support these 3 bowlers.

Faheem’s bowling is showing promise as he has been consistently economical so far.

 

[Saj]

There are several match-winners in this team, the thing that concerns me though is that most of them are bowlers.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Hasan Ali just isn't letting anyone else do the damage. I would look too much into this. Things are never bad when your part-time bowler is bowling the 140's and taking hat-tricks.

The presence of Amir, Raees and Usman Khan makes the pace attack a very good one aside from Hasan. And let's not forget, even our back up option in Junaid is not too shabby.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Faheem's hat-trick was a little flukey to be honest, but I’m more worried about his poor ball striking.

What is your take on Usman? Does he make the ODI XI for you? I suppose he can easily replace Junaid.

 

[Savak]

Faheem's hat-trick was a little flukey to be honest, but I’m more worried about his poor ball striking.

Striking the ball big from ball one seems to be a problem in the UAE, even the Sri Lankan hitters have been rubbish and been unable to hit big from ball one. That helicopter shot Faheem played was decent to the yorker he got, he couldn't do anything else with it.

 

[babajee]

Striking the ball big from ball one seems to be a problem in the UAE, even the Sri Lankan hitters have been rubbish and been unable to hit big from ball one. That helicopter shot Faheem played was decent to the yorker he got, he couldn't do anything else with it.

That’s exactly what I said on the other thread. On a pitch with proper pace bounce and carry that shot would have gone for 6.

I’ve seen him play the same shot in domestics for 6.

 

[Mamoon]

What is your take on Usman? Does he make the ODI XI for you? I suppose he can easily replace Junaid.

Yes he deserves to play ahead of Junaid.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Faheem's hat-trick was a little flukey to be honest, but I’m more worried about his poor ball striking.

He is a supporting bowler, so not really worried

In terms of batting we should be Willing to give him more time. Seen enough in domestic to know he can hit a ball unlike 99% of pak players

 

[Shinwari Khan]

Faheem toke 3 Wickets. 3 Wickets are 3 wickets... and that too consecutive deliveries... What more can you ask for delusional PP’ers?

 

[maxamax]

Faheem toke 3 Wickets. 3 Wickets are 3 wickets... and that too consecutive deliveries... What more can you ask for delusional PP’ers?

In t20 when they were going crazy after every ball.

 

[MMHS]

Cricket as a game is like that - most individual dominated team game. I can say the same for almost every team - takeout Kohli, Smith, Shakib, Kok, Will .... Teams that are not individual dominant either are ATG teams or Mughabe's ZIM or current WI.

Hasan and few others are shinning more because they are carrying few bags on their shoulders and still team is performing.

 

[IAJ]

Faheem's hat-trick was a little flukey to be honest, but I’m more worried about his poor ball striking.

Poor ball striking? After watching him play 5-6 balls and mind you those were good balls. You can not expect a guy to just smash them from ball one on these slow wickets.
You might bring up Shadab, but Shadab though very young has batted more in international cricket than him and his confidience is intact. He also got a very fine half-volley which he dispatched nicely.

Just give the lad some time, he is a big hitter, he has shown that in domestic and in the warm-up against BD.

 

[New Yorker]

I know Hasan Ali had little significance in today's game but there was a recently published article which verified my doubts. The "world's best attack" averages in 30s for ODIs minus Hasan Ali who's averaging around 20. Even before it was obvious that Hasan Ali is the reason our attack is looking good but such dependency over a single is alarming. What if he goes injured or loses touch? That 30+ averaging attack will get plundered then.

yes, just as we once over-relied on wasim and waqar. the best players are often irreplaceable. that said, it would be nice to have at least one more genuinely top 10 odi bowler to rely on. shadab i think will become a very good odi spinner. less optimistic about amir by now. rumman looks promising. but i would still like to see sadaf given a go; barring sohail khan he is the only pacer in domestics who performed as well as hasan in domestic limited overs.

 

[Titan24]

Stats are mainly of the time when Shinwari, Shadab and Raees didnt even debut in ODI. A lot of bench strenght is there now.

Even if he outperforms everybody in the team its not something abnormal, guy is the no 1 bowler in the world for a reason.


He is a star and they are generally difficult to replace, look at dependenciy on Inran Tahir for SA, Starc and Hazlewood for Aus, Rashid and Plunket for England etc, so its pretty normal.

 

[Haz95]

Ashraf, Amir, Raees, Shinwari, Junaid. That's a good mixture of attack and defensive bowling, Hasan is just performing the best of the lot, it doesn't mean the lot have holes in them (apart from JK).