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Is the Indian team getting an unfair advantage in the ICC Champions Trophy 2025 by playing all its matches in Dubai?

RexRex said:
India would have won it anyway.
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dont think so to be honest, india squad and team selection for each match was purley based on having all matches in Dubai, if they had some games in Abu Dhabi, I think there would be a difference, I think India would make semis, maybe even finals, but would not end up winning the whole thing, the fact that all mathces where in Dubai was a big advantage
 
stani_pak said:
dont think so to be honest, india squad and team selection for each match was purley based on having all matches in Dubai, if they had some games in Abu Dhabi, I think there would be a difference, I think India would make semis, maybe even finals, but would not end up winning the whole thing, the fact that all mathces where in Dubai was a big advantage
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Naah. Who would have defeated India with that configuration?

India would have won anyway.
 
stani_pak said:
dont think so to be honest, india squad and team selection for each match was purley based on having all matches in Dubai, if they had some games in Abu Dhabi, I think there would be a difference, I think India would make semis, maybe even finals, but would not end up winning the whole thing, the fact that all mathces where in Dubai was a big advantage
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very valid points.

One more crucial thing is that that Ind were going to play SF1 regardless of if they finished first or second in group. Again a manipulation of format enough in its own right to taint the whole tournament.

Ind’s potential opponents (sa and aus) flew in to Dubai not knowing where they would play the SF even after knowing their final position in their group. SA returned to pak.

That’s why there is no shine on this ‘trophy’.
 
Obaidd said:
very valid points.

One more crucial thing is that that Ind were going to play SF1 regardless of if they finished first or second in group. Again a manipulation of format enough in its own right to taint the whole tournament.

Ind’s potential opponents (sa and aus) flew in to Dubai not knowing where they would play the SF even after knowing their final position in their group. SA returned to pak.

That’s why there is no shine on this ‘trophy’.
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It really beyond insane....and you would never ever see this in any other sport....only in cricket because it is controlled by India.
 
Obaidd said:
very valid points.

One more crucial thing is that that Ind were going to play SF1 regardless of if they finished first or second in group. Again a manipulation of format enough in its own right to taint the whole tournament.

Ind’s potential opponents (sa and aus) flew in to Dubai not knowing where they would play the SF even after knowing their final position in their group. SA returned to pak.

That’s why there is no shine on this ‘trophy’.
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stani_pak said:
It really beyond insane....and you would never ever see this in any other sport....only in cricket because it is controlled by India.
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What about when india traveled the most in world cup 2023 and they didn't whine and cry like babies?

And no other sports, really? Russian players were banned in chess by everyone. Europe doesn't allow Russian players even to play.

South Africa was banned for such a long time in cricket.

Australia and west indies refused to travel to Sri Lanka for world cup 96 and sri Lanka won that world cup with free points. Indian fans didn't cry like babies just because Sri Lanka won.

Crying like toddlers just because India won is making you guys a laughing stock.
 
Obsession with winning is still here... Move on now.... CT has been over for months now but people are still dancing over that.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Obsession with winning is still here... Move on now.... CT has been over for months now but people are still dancing over that.
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Or mourning....let's be frank here only reason it's an issue is coz it's India. If it was OZ,NZ or England or even SA staying at one venue and winning it, none of the Pakistani or Bangla posters would be so distressed
 
nish_mate said:
Or mourning....let's be frank here only reason it's an issue is coz it's India. If it was OZ,NZ or England or even SA staying at one venue and winning it, none of the Pakistani or Bangla posters would be so distressed
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Point is, the event is history... There are many upcoming events. We should talk about it..
 
Sachin fan said:
What about when india traveled the most in world cup 2023 and they didn't whine and cry like babies?

And no other sports, really? Russian players were banned in chess by everyone. Europe doesn't allow Russian players even to play.

South Africa was banned for such a long time in cricket.

Australia and west indies refused to travel to Sri Lanka for world cup 96 and sri Lanka won that world cup with free points. Indian fans didn't cry like babies just because Sri Lanka won.

Crying like toddlers just because India won is making you guys a laughing stock.
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Pak played nz In Karachi in a tri series final just few days ahead of ct group match.pak lost in both matches with out any fight.pak, sa, nz played in the same ct venues before others .those 3 have exploited the venues to gain significant advantage .We know what happened at the end.
 
Sachin fan said:
What about when india traveled the most in world cup 2023 and they didn't whine and cry like babies?

And no other sports, really? Russian players were banned in chess by everyone. Europe doesn't allow Russian players even to play.

South Africa was banned for such a long time in cricket.

Australia and west indies refused to travel to Sri Lanka for world cup 96 and sri Lanka won that world cup with free points. Indian fans didn't cry like babies just because Sri Lanka won.

Crying like toddlers just because India won is making you guys a laughing stock.
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The examples you gave are of cricket...mainly...that does not follow under other sports...again cricket will have these issues because it is run by Indians.

Playing all your games in one location, is an massive advantage.....it does not take a rocket scientist to see that.
 
Sachin fan said:
What about when india traveled the most in world cup 2023 and they didn't whine and cry like babies?

And no other sports, really? Russian players were banned in chess by everyone. Europe doesn't allow Russian players even to play.

South Africa was banned for such a long time in cricket.

Australia and west indies refused to travel to Sri Lanka for world cup 96 and sri Lanka won that world cup with free points. Indian fans didn't cry like babies just because Sri Lanka won.

Crying like toddlers just because India won is making you guys a laughing stock.
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Ind played at multiple venues at home in 2023, Russians banned, South Africa banned, Australia refusing to travel and conceding points, all of this = irrelevant.

Me being a Pakistani is also irrelevant in this context. Put aside your nationalist lens for a moment.

SA flying to UAE and then flying back made a mockery of fairness, that was the treatment afforded to group B winners.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Pakistan is playing all its group matches in Dubai this time, lets see how they fare.
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Its all salty fans mindset. In wc 23, sa played 2 matches in kolkata and lost both.nz lost both in dharamsala. Pak lost both in chennai.eng lost both in Ahmedabad. Nz lost both in Dubai in ct.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Pakistan is playing all its group matches in Dubai this time, lets see how they fare.
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That is not correct either, however I assume super 4 stages will have Pak play at other venues.

Again Pak should have not all there group stage games in Dubai, the only reason I see behind it, is ACC wants to assure or try to assure Pak goes through to have India vs Pakistan match up twice, it all goes down to money (hence Indias Wishes) since they control the game

This is not correct Pak should have 1 game atleast in Abu Dhabi

Difference between Pakistanis and Indians...is when something is not right even if it favors us say it is not right.
 
Funniest thing about all the rona dhona here by Pakistanis is that...PCB were literally the hosts of this tournament and they're rhe ones who gave a green signal to India playing all its matches in Dubai. If they wanted , they could have easily scheduled a few games at other venues but they didn't for obviou$ reason$. :ROFLMAO:

People are forgetting that PCB had scheduled all the India matches in Lahore even if we were to visit Pakistan.

These salty tears now that India won the tournament are just hilarious.
 
Mesozoic said:
Funniest thing about all the rona dhona here by Pakistanis is that...PCB were literally the hosts of this tournament and they're rhe ones who gave a green signal to India playing all its matches in Dubai. If they wanted , they could have easily scheduled a few games at other venues but they didn't for obviou$ reason$. :ROFLMAO:

People are forgetting that PCB had scheduled all the India matches in Lahore even if we were to visit Pakistan.

These salty tears now that India won the tournament are just hilarious.
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That was more for a safety concern and also a way to try to convivence India to come play in Pakistan

But Dubai...Abu Dhabi...Sharjah....are not in Pakistan, and are pretty safe locations to play for any team....so your argument is not valid...since your missing the big point....there was no need to have India play all its matches in Dubai
 
stani_pak said:
The examples you gave are of cricket...mainly...that does not follow under other sports...again cricket will have these issues because it is run by Indians.

Playing all your games in one location, is an massive advantage.....it does not take a rocket scientist to see that.
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Why is the ICC allowing this? They are the ones designated to run the sport. If India is running it, why are there so many people employed at the ICC? Quite a few with some fat paychecks. Total waste of some good $$$.

The ICC is to blame for the current state of things. BCCI walking all over ICC. If you are the ICC, how do you let that happen? Sure, you can fool ICC once. Shame on BCCI. But if you fool the ICC for two plus decades, shame on the ICC.
 
Obaidd said:
Ind played at multiple venues at home in 2023, Russians banned, South Africa banned, Australia refusing to travel and conceding points, all of this = irrelevant.

Me being a Pakistani is also irrelevant in this context. Put aside your nationalist lens for a moment.

SA flying to UAE and then flying back made a mockery of fairness, that was the treatment afforded to group B winners.
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Where were the people (ICC) running the sport when all of this was happening?
 
stani_pak said:
That was more for a safety concern and also a way to try to convivence India to come play in Pakistan

But Dubai...Abu Dhabi...Sharjah....are not in Pakistan, and are pretty safe locations to play for any team....so your argument is not valid...since your missing the big point....there was no need to have India play all its matches in Dubai
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Looks like you completely missed the point of my post.

PCB were the sole hosts of the tournament. It is them who had the final call on where India plays it's games in the UAE. They had it in their control to have India play at different venues in the UAE rather than play all their games in Dubai.

So why didn't the PCB, the hosts/organisers of the tournament do anything? This is the question that most Pakistanis have ran away from whenever I have asked them this..it's much easier to cry salty tears i guess.
 
U$ofA said:
Why is the ICC allowing this? They are the ones designated to run the sport. If India is running it, why are there so many people employed at the ICC? Quite a few with some fat paychecks. Total waste of some good $$$.

The ICC is to blame for the current state of things. BCCI walking all over ICC. If you are the ICC, how do you let that happen? Sure, you can fool ICC once. Shame on BCCI. But if you fool the ICC for two plus decades, shame on the ICC.
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ICC is also to blame but basically ICC is BCCI so at the end of the day India is the one to blame
 
Mesozoic said:
Looks like you completely missed the point of my post.

PCB were the sole hosts of the tournament. It is them who had the final call on where India plays it's games in the UAE. They had it in their control to have India play at different venues in the UAE rather than play all their games in Dubai.

So why didn't the PCB, the hosts/organisers of the tournament do anything? This is the question that most Pakistanis have ran away from whenever I have asked them this..it's much easier to cry salty tears i guess.
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India demanded to have all their games at Dubai...and PCB is not ICC at the end of the day ICC (which is basically BCCI) have the final say. If ICC refused Indias demand to have all games in Dubai...India would withdraw from the tourney and ICC would not want that.

At the end of the day, ICC should be looking at the best interest of all cricket nations, not just India
 
stani_pak said:
India demanded to have all their games at Dubai...and PCB is not ICC at the end of the day ICC (which is basically BCCI) have the final say. If ICC refused Indias demand to have all games in Dubai...India would withdraw from the tourney and ICC would not want that.

At the end of the day, ICC should be looking at the best interest of all cricket nations, not just India
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I do not think that ICC = Bcci or anything like that, if that was true we would have been able to shift the WTC from England, similarly we could have moved Asia cup to India too.

Pcb was the host and they came up with the plan.
 
stani_pak said:
ICC is also to blame but basically ICC is BCCI so at the end of the day India is the one to blame
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No they are not. ICC has a whole set of people employed and collecting paychecks. Supposedly for doing some kind of work. What work, I have no idea.

If they are not doing anything, while at the same time being greedy for BCCI $$$, why have such an organization at all? Since BCCI is already running things, why not get rid of the people at ICC. Save $$$ that are being wasted.
 
stani_pak said:
India demanded to have all their games at Dubai...and PCB is not ICC at the end of the day ICC (which is basically BCCI) have the final say. If ICC refused Indias demand to have all games in Dubai...India would withdraw from the tourney and ICC would not want that.

At the end of the day, ICC should be looking at the best interest of all cricket nations, not just India
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ICC only looks out for it's own interests. And they are very good at it.
 
stani_pak said:
India demanded to have all their games at Dubai...and PCB is not ICC at the end of the day ICC (which is basically BCCI) have the final say. If ICC refused Indias demand to have all games in Dubai...India would withdraw from the tourney and ICC would not want that.

At the end of the day, ICC should be looking at the best interest of all cricket nations, not just India
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Any verifiable source for this?

This just sounds like pure cope.
 
U$ofA said:
Where were the people (ICC) running the sport when all of this was happening?
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ICC, PCB and BCCI can share the blame, for all I care. Point is Group B winners were treated unfairly to accommodate Ind which tainted Ind’s ‘win’.

Feel bad for Ind players who get to live with this blemish on their achievements.

Doesn’t matter if ONLY Pak, Eng, Aus, SA, BD and WI folks highlighted this.

The thing with truth is that it shines. Waiting for the day Ind fans start speaking up against the tyranny of ‘most eyeballs’.
 
Obaidd said:
ICC, PCB and BCCI can share the blame, for all I care. Point is Group B winners were treated unfairly to accommodate Ind which tainted Ind’s ‘win’.

Feel bad for Ind players who get to live with this blemish on their achievements.

Doesn’t matter if ONLY Pak, Eng, Aus, SA, BD and WI folks highlighted this.

The thing with truth is that it shines. Waiting for the day Ind fans start speaking up against the tyranny of ‘most eyeballs’.
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Just remembered even Shami spoke against it but maybe he’s not Indian enough to have a ‘fair’ view of this travesty of justice.
 
nish_mate said:
So Indians cant celebrate their CT win but salty Pakistanis can complain a few months on....
:sarf_facepalm
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Yes the global cricketing fraternity will continue to highlight this unfair treatment meted out to Group B winners.

The very serious concerns and reservations cannot be simply wished away.
 
Obaidd said:
Yes the global cricketing fraternity will continue to highlight this unfair treatment meted out to Group B winners.

The very serious concerns and reservations cannot be simply wished away.
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No one's asking you to wash them away, however a tad hypocritical Indians can't talk about their trophy that was hosted by PCB and PCB agreed upfront to tourney venues and scheduling. If anything concerned fans should be doing a dharna outside PCB HQ for agreeing to host such a tourney...
 
Obaidd said:
ICC, PCB and BCCI can share the blame, for all I care. Point is Group B winners were treated unfairly to accommodate Ind which tainted Ind’s ‘win’.

Feel bad for Ind players who get to live with this blemish on their achievements.

Doesn’t matter if ONLY Pak, Eng, Aus, SA, BD and WI folks highlighted this.

The thing with truth is that it shines. Waiting for the day Ind fans start speaking up against the tyranny of ‘most eyeballs’.
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But why did PCB host such a tourney that their fans clearly didn't want them to? Was there a hope and a secret desire let's host this, get the $$ and pray India doesn't win it? Was that PCB plan all along? Why PCB getting away with such a "tyranny"?
 
nish_mate said:
But why did PCB host such a tourney that their fans clearly didn't want them to? Was there a hope and a secret desire let's host this, get the $$ and pray India doesn't win it? Was that PCB plan all along? Why PCB getting away with such a "tyranny"?
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Good points and I am not here to speak on PCB’s behalf.

By marking SF1 as Ind’s SF no matter where they finished (1 or 2), the organisers created an unfair environment.

The blame lies with the organisers. Ind players are actually the victims as their hard-fought ‘trophy’ has become controversial.

Let’s all agree that injustice was done, whether by PCB, ICC, BCCI or the combination of all three.
 
Obaidd said:
ICC, PCB and BCCI can share the blame, for all I care. Point is Group B winners were treated unfairly to accommodate Ind which tainted Ind’s ‘win’.

Feel bad for Ind players who get to live with this blemish on their achievements.

Doesn’t matter if ONLY Pak, Eng, Aus, SA, BD and WI folks highlighted this.

The thing with truth is that it shines. Waiting for the day Ind fans start speaking up against the tyranny of ‘most eyeballs’.
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That's fine. It's your opinion and you are entitled to it. My point/focus is on the bigger picture of the sport.

All these boards and ICC keep meekly surrendering in return for $$$. Very poor on them. When there is no push back, we will continue to have what we have. Unsurprisingly! Things will be reduced to complaints/talk but no action.

Action is what is needed.
 
U$ofA said:
That's fine. It's your opinion and you are entitled to it. My point/focus is on the bigger picture of the sport.

All these boards and ICC keep meekly surrendering in return for $$$. Very poor on them. When there is no push back, we will continue to have what we have. Unsurprisingly! Things will be reduced to complaints/talk but no action.

Action is what is needed.
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Thanks.

Action is needed by Ind fans at this time. Even if a section of Ind fans starts speaking up things could be different. It takes great courage to call out unfairness when one’s benefiting.
 
Obaidd said:
Thanks.

Action is needed by Ind fans at this time. Even if a section of Ind fans starts speaking up things could be different. It takes great courage to call out unfairness when one’s benefiting.
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On the contrary, my opinion is that action has to come from the opposite side. From people who are in power and who actually run things. The ICC, ECB, CA, PCB, SLC, CWI et al.

Sure the fans have a role to play and have power to a certain extent. At the same time, it is unfair to say that only Indian fans have to take action. Why only them?

Why should all the boards, the fans of all these boards, the ICC just sit around? Why no blame on them for inaction?

I pretty much blame the opposite side. They gladly sit around and cash in BCCI $$$. Barely do any work. Make zero effort to become self reliant. The fans seem to have no issue with this and give them a pass. How are things going to change?

Currently the BCCI is having it's way without any push back. Why would they change their ways? Not in human nature to do that. Things will change only if there is attempt to change it. That onus is on the opposite side. Not the BCCI or it's fans.
 
In recent times, has India ever played against Bangladesh or Afghanistan on spin friendly surfaces ?

They were supposed to tour Bangladesh this year but ran away. They hardly ever play in Abu Dhabi or Sharjah.

Indian batsmen aren't great against spin and they know it.
 
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