Is the IPL overrated?

[Send1983]

As a money-making machine, it is certainly not overrated. As a cricket spectacle, it is probably also not overrated since nobody (apart from Indians) actually rates it.

Pakistani fans don’t rate it but other non Indians. You need to read what Andrew Strauss and others had to say about Ipl.

 

[WengerOut]

What you are describing is *Popularity*.

That is what I am saying dude. There is no factual figures for subjective thing called quality ( unless there is a huge gap in calibre which I think there is but still for the sake of your argument) . So the only comparison is popularity which IPL is far ahead. Repeat again , for the sake of your argument , I am not taking quality into consideration,( but we know who is ahead )

 

[Mamoon]

A two week long T20 series in an array of conditions>IPL

Logically speaking there’s going to be added pressure on a player to perform when a team has played millions for them. If we throw out this entire concept of money is there really any added pressure on a player playing in the IPL than per day the BBL?

IPL having its own history in what sense? All leagues have some sort of century, I don’t get the point your trying to make in terms of its supposed prestige. Make no mistake about it, just because of the large wards of cash owners wave around this doesn’t create a sense of aura or this supposed prestige.

What array of conditions? The matches were played on 3-4 grounds across Australia and New Zealand. It is not comparable to a tournament where you have to play numerous matches over two months all over India, in front of packed stadiums.

Yes I do believe that playing in the IPL has added pressure even if we ignore the money. It is an established brand which is now a decade old with a huge fan base. I believe that playing for teams like CSK, RCB, KKR etc. actually means something now, but the same cannot be said about the franchises of other leagues.

I really do not agree that if all leagues offer the same money, most players would not opt to play in the IPL.

 

[Slog]

I really do not agree that if all leagues offer the same money, most players would not opt to play in the IPL.

I cant say anything about that but I am sure that if any other league started offering more money than IPL than automatically that league will become the most sought-after league from a players' perspective.

I havent followed the thread in detail but your argument comes across as claiming that IPL has gained enough prestige now for it to be sought after and considered the best quality regardless of the money aspect. I do not agree with that and think that is blatantly wrong.

Money is the major reason why IPL attracts the best players in the world. Everyone knows that. To say that playing for any IPL team has its own prestige and charm, independent of the money on offer, for a foreign player is disingenuous.

Dale Steyn himself one said it is a 'paid holiday.' This was in early years and I believe players genuinely put in effort now and take it seriously but it all is tied to money in the end

 

[CricCrazyNick]

I cant say anything about that but I am sure that if any other league started offering more money than IPL than automatically that league will become the most sought-after league from a players' perspective.

I havent followed the thread in detail but your argument comes across as claiming that IPL has gained enough prestige now for it to be sought after and considered the best quality regardless of the money aspect. I do not agree with that and think that is blatantly wrong.

Money is the major reason why IPL attracts the best players in the world. Everyone knows that. To say that playing for any IPL team has its own prestige and charm, independent of the money on offer, for a foreign player is disingenuous.

Dale Steyn himself one said it is a 'paid holiday.' This was in early years and I believe players genuinely put in effort now and take it seriously but it all is tied to money in the end

He said tht bcoz he was warming the bench whole season

 

[Slog]

He said tht bcoz he was warming the bench whole season

He played 10 matches that season

Bus kuch bhi bol do

 

[Mamoon]

I cant say anything about that but I am sure that if any other league started offering more money than IPL than automatically that league will become the most sought-after league from a players' perspective.

I havent followed the thread in detail but your argument comes across as claiming that IPL has gained enough prestige now for it to be sought after and considered the best quality regardless of the money aspect. I do not agree with that and think that is blatantly wrong.

Money is the major reason why IPL attracts the best players in the world. Everyone knows that. To say that playing for any IPL team has its own prestige and charm, independent of the money on offer, for a foreign player is disingenuous.

Dale Steyn himself one said it is a 'paid holiday.' This was in early years and I believe players genuinely put in effort now and take it seriously but it all is tied to money in the end

No that is not my point. Obviously if any league offers significantly more money than the IPL, players will happily give up their IPL commitments. However, if all leagues offer the exact same financial package, I believe that players will opt to play in the IPL over the other leagues.

The IPL has become a huge deal and it is pretty much international T20 cricket in franchise form.

Obviously money is the major reason why players play in the IPL and it would be disingenuous to deny so, but that takes me back to my belief that if all leagues achieve parity in terms of money, the IPL will still attract the bigger players.

Someone like Afridi might choose to play for Karachi Kings over RCB if they offer the same money because of national sentiment, but I do not see why someone like de Villiers would choose to play for Zalmi over RCB, unless Zalmi offers him more money.

The IPL franchises are established brands with massive fan following, and the pressure of playing in the IPL is greater than the pressure of playing in the other leagues.

If we ignore the money factor, playing for IPL franchises means more than playing for other franchises, and the comments of Root and Finch etc. in recent times suggests that the players see the IPL not only as a paid holiday but also as an opportunity to genuinely improve as cricketers.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

IPL is appropriately rated, underrated, and overrated all at the same time. The common cricket fan in places like Australia barely knows anything about the IPL and might not even be aware of it's existence. The average cricket fan in India might recognise it for what it's worth and think of it as entertainment rather than pure cricket of the highest order. Then there are the IPL fanatics, who claim that it is the best thing since sliced bread and believe that it will overtake international cricket in the next 10 years.

 

[cricketjoshila]

IPL is appropriately rated, underrated, and overrated all at the same time. The common cricket fan in places like Australia barely knows anything about the IPL and might not even be aware of it's existence. The average cricket fan in India might recognise it for what it's worth and think of it as entertainment rather than pure cricket of the highest order. Then there are the IPL fanatics, who claim that it is the best thing since sliced bread and believe that it will overtake international cricket in the next 10 years.

Can you tell me why supersports offered more money for ipl rights than rights for SA's own Global T20 league?

Why are companies like OSN,Bein,Facebook,Perform Media etc etc bidding for different non subcontinental regions?


http://www.indiantelevision.com/tel...ipl-media-rights-and-is-the-winner-170904?amp

To say that the avg fan outside doesnt know about ipl or doesnt watch it is wrong.

 

[IndianFan2018]

IPL is appropriately rated, underrated, and overrated all at the same time. The common cricket fan in places like Australia barely knows anything about the IPL and might not even be aware of it's existence. The average cricket fan in India might recognise it for what it's worth and think of it as entertainment rather than pure cricket of the highest order. Then there are the IPL fanatics, who claim that it is the best thing since sliced bread and believe that it will overtake international cricket in the next 10 years.

IPL has already over taken International ICC tournaments in market value with big margin $$$$.

BCCI / IPL bosses know the value of International matches all forms,; so they will never try to cannabilise Internationals; instead will find way to complement each other (happening already) keeping both healthy for the good of all concerned

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Can you tell me why supersports offered more money for ipl rights than rights for SA's own Global T20 league?

Why are companies like OSN,Bein,Facebook,Perform Media etc etc bidding for different non subcontinental regions?


http://www.indiantelevision.com/tel...ipl-media-rights-and-is-the-winner-170904?amp

To say that the avg fan outside doesnt know about ipl or doesnt watch it is wrong.

Read my post again . I haven't claimed that the average fan outside India doesn't watch the IPL. But the average fan in AUSTRALIA (which is a small subset of "outside India") doesn't care about the IPL which is a fact. There is no raging TV rights war for the IPL like there is in India, nor do people care how their own Aussie players do in the IPL. To people here, BBL is the best T20 league globally. Most people here aren't bothered enough to stay up till midnight to watch insignificant T20 matches taking place thousands of miles away.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Read my post again and get out of your bubble. I haven't claimed that the average fan outside India doesn't watch the IPL. But the average fan in AUSTRALIA (which is a small subset of "outside India") doesn't care about the IPL which is a fact. There is no raging TV rights war for the IPL like there is in India, nor do people care how their own Aussie players do in the IPL. To people here, BBL is the best T20 league globally. Most people here aren't bothered enough to stay up till midnight to watch insignificant T20 matches taking place thousands of miles away.

So your comment is strictly about Australia? Though someone bid 10mn usd for the rights in Australia and NZ alone.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

So your comment is strictly about Australia? Though someone bid 10mn usd for the rights in Australia and NZ alone.

My comment is about Australia being a place where IPL is underrated. People don't rate it highly enough but I understand the reasons why they don't care about it.

10mn usd is miniscule compared to what the rights go for in other territories like India, middle east etc.

 

[cricketjoshila]

My comment is about Australia being a place where IPL is underrated. People don't rate it highly enough but I understand the reasons why they don't care about it.

10mn usd is miniscule compared to what the rights go for in other territories like India, middle east etc.

It may be small for IPL but considering that PSLs entire rights went for 15mn or Bbl's entire rights went for 100mn, 10mn for Aus and NZ is not bad.

 

[R3verse Swing]

That is what I am saying dude. There is no factual figures for subjective thing called quality ( unless there is a huge gap in calibre which I think there is but still for the sake of your argument) . So the only comparison is popularity which IPL is far ahead. Repeat again , for the sake of your argument , I am not taking quality into consideration,( but we know who is ahead )

I do not think anyone is saying IPL is NOT the most popular Cricket league. What the OP is asking is whether IPL is overrated.

 

[WengerOut]

I do not think anyone is saying IPL is NOT the most popular Cricket league. What the OP is asking is whether IPL is overrated.

Overrated compared to what is the question ?

 

[Bilal7]

No that is not my point. Obviously if any league offers significantly more money than the IPL, players will happily give up their IPL commitments. However, if all leagues offer the exact same financial package, I believe that players will opt to play in the IPL over the other leagues.

The IPL has become a huge deal and it is pretty much international T20 cricket in franchise form.

Obviously money is the major reason why players play in the IPL and it would be disingenuous to deny so, but that takes me back to my belief that if all leagues achieve parity in terms of money, the IPL will still attract the bigger players.

Someone like Afridi might choose to play for Karachi Kings over RCB if they offer the same money because of national sentiment, but I do not see why someone like de Villiers would choose to play for Zalmi over RCB, unless Zalmi offers him more money.

The IPL franchises are established brands with massive fan following, and the pressure of playing in the IPL is greater than the pressure of playing in the other leagues.

If we ignore the money factor, playing for IPL franchises means more than playing for other franchises, and the comments of Root and Finch etc. in recent times suggests that the players see the IPL not only as a paid holiday but also as an opportunity to genuinely improve as cricketers.

If all leagues offered the same money, the players would definitely prefer playing in their own countries rather than leaving their families for two months and going to some place at the other end of the world. ABD would prefer playing in Jo'Burg rather than Delhi and that is a fact.

This is not at all comparable to football leagues that actually have a lot of history, prestige and offer something beyond the big bucks. If T20 leagues could offer anything to the players other than money then most players would prefer playing in England for counties like Lancashire that actually have some kind of history.

 

[IndianFan2018]

If all leagues offered the same money, the players would definitely prefer playing in their own countries rather than leaving their families for two months and going to some place at the other end of the world. ABD would prefer playing in Jo'Burg rather than Delhi and that is a fact.

This is not at all comparable to football leagues that actually have a lot of history, prestige and offer something beyond the big bucks. If T20 leagues could offer anything to the players other than money then most players would prefer playing in England for counties like Lancashire that actually have some kind of history.

Lancashire CC founded in 1864 it's a century old club, can't expect the same history for IPL.

But in comparison, IPL has carved its own place in short duration of 10 years for sure in my opinion

 

[Titan24]

26th ranked league in the world in revenue. Will surpass quite a few above it as the Indian middle class gets stronger. In no way is it overrated. There is just enough publicity and the growth in revenue is phenomenal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue

Good to see that PSL is also in the list at the end. At least now there wont be discussion about which is the 2nd best league as there is no Big Bash, BPL or CPL.

 

[Adijazz1706]

It pays the most so more players go for it automatically increasing the quality. that's all there is to it. Money aside, the big bash is better, huge crowds, large stadia and less tamasha overall.

 

[Bilal7]

Good to see that PSL is also in the list at the end. At least now there wont be discussion about which is the 2nd best league as there is no Big Bash, BPL or CPL.

The MLS is far ahead of the IPL. How good are Canada and the US at soccer? Not very, let me tell you. Just goes to show how useless these sort of lists are. Yes, the IPL is making the administrators and fans rich but how does that concern us as spectators? I'm definitely not getting a single penny from the PSL and neither is the PSL improving Pakistani cricket so I have no time for it.

 

[IndianFan2018]

The MLS is far ahead of the IPL. How good are Canada and the US at soccer? Not very, let me tell you. Just goes to show how useless these sort of lists are. Yes, the IPL is making the administrators and fans rich but how does that concern us as spectators? I'm definitely not getting a single penny from the PSL and neither is the PSL improving Pakistani cricket so I have no time for it.

Don't know about PSL improving Pak cricketers, certainly IPL does helped Ind players ... DK wouldn't have played like that in final without IPL experience.


Even though DK's knock was vs BD, still it was a pressure game and his career was on the line. IPL gives experience of handling high pressure scenarios !

 

[Mamoon]

If all leagues offered the same money, the players would definitely prefer playing in their own countries rather than leaving their families for two months and going to some place at the other end of the world. ABD would prefer playing in Jo'Burg rather than Delhi and that is a fact.

This is not at all comparable to football leagues that actually have a lot of history, prestige and offer something beyond the big bucks. If T20 leagues could offer anything to the players other than money then most players would prefer playing in England for counties like Lancashire that actually have some kind of history.

Which is why I used Afridi's example. Certainly, some might players would choose for their local franchise because of patriotic sentiment. de Villiers might opt to play for his South African team over the RCB, but I do not see any reason why he would choose Zalmi, Perth Scorchers, Barbados Tridents or some BPL franchise over the RCB.

Similarly, the vast majority of the players would prefer to play in the IPL over the other leagues. Clearly, those leagues and franchises do not have the significance that the IPL has.

 

[Ellipsism]

What array of conditions? The matches were played on 3-4 grounds across Australia and New Zealand. It is not comparable to a tournament where you have to play numerous matches over two months all over India, in front of packed stadiums.

Yes I do believe that playing in the IPL has added pressure even if we ignore the money. It is an established brand which is now a decade old with a huge fan base. I believe that playing for teams like CSK, RCB, KKR etc. actually means something now, but the same cannot be said about the franchises of other leagues.

I really do not agree that if all leagues offer the same money, most players would not opt to play in the IPL.

They played in three very different conditions in Australia alone. Fact is you argued that Joe Root opted to play the IPL as he wanted to improve as a T20 player rather than just the money, when he himself said that money was a big factor in his decision.

There’s added pressure playing for the likes of RCB, MI etc. as they are usually teams that are able to constantly throw down wards of cash. As I’ve previously said there’s obviously added pressure when teams play big money for you.

I would imagine players would put the name down for the BBL as it’s hosted in a first world country, obviously that doesn’t mean that all players are safe when roaming the streets but they won’t be as restricted as they are in India. And this is not considering that the BBL has a larger international audience than the IPL (not considering Indian expats overseas) and larger crowds per game.

We will never be able to prove any of this, but here we have you spreading you are opinion like it’s fact.

 

[CanadianG00se]

They played in three very different conditions in Australia alone. Fact is you argued that Joe Root opted to play the IPL as he wanted to improve as a T20 player rather than just the money, when he himself said that money was a big factor in his decision.

There’s added pressure playing for the likes of RCB, MI etc. as they are usually teams that are able to constantly throw down wards of cash. As I’ve previously said there’s obviously added pressure when teams play big money for you.

I would imagine players would put the name down for the BBL as it’s hosted in a first world country, obviously that doesn’t mean that all players are safe when roaming the streets but they won’t be as restricted as they are in India. And this is not considering that the BBL has a larger international audience than the IPL (not considering Indian expats overseas) and larger crowds per game.

We will never be able to prove any of this, but here we have you spreading you are opinion like it’s fact.

Any source to back up that claim?

 

[Ellipsism]

Any source to back up that claim?

Well obviously not because that would include Indian expats, I’m just assuming because I know that it is very popular in NZ and Eng. Whilst I don’t know anyone here in Australia that watches the IPL, due to time zones and it isn’t broadcasted on free to air tv here either.

Even with Indian expats included I don’t think there is a large variation in international viewership of the both leagues. Can someone please post the international viewership stats.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well obviously not because that would include Indian expats, I’m just assuming because I know that it is very popular in NZ and Eng. Whilst I don’t know anyone here in Australia that watches the IPL, due to time zones and it isn’t broadcasted on free to air tv here either.

Even with Indian expats included I don’t think there is a large variation in international viewership of the both leagues. Can someone please post the international viewership stats.

You are absolutely wrong. Supersports offered to pay more for IPL telecast rights than they offered for SA's own global T20 league, tells you how popular it is in SA.

There were huge bids from companies in middle east US UK etc.

http://www.indiantelevision.com/tel...ipl-media-rights-and-is-the-winner-170904?amp


Here go through this. Ipl is hugely popular internationally. Ofcourse in Australia timings are a issue.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Well obviously not because that would include Indian expats, I’m just assuming because I know that it is very popular in NZ and Eng. Whilst I don’t know anyone here in Australia that watches the IPL, due to time zones and it isn’t broadcasted on free to air tv here either.

Even with Indian expats included I don’t think there is a large variation in international viewership of the both leagues. Can someone please post the international viewership stats.

Population of NZ is like 4M if im not wrong, that is like one Tier 3 city in India. Assuming 10-20% of Brits watches BBL (I highly doubt will be that high) that is arond 10-12M folks. I still don’t think BBL have that many audiences compared to IPL does (Indian expats or not).

BBL wont even have half the viewers IPL get. Supersport offered handsome amount to broadcast IPL for a reason, no? Same goes with Sky in UK (assuming all viewers are Indian expats). The reason IPL isn’t broadcasted in Australia cause IPL isnt even looking to expand in overseas market.

BBL is not even close to IPL in whatever indicator you want to discuss, be it finance, market, viewers, international players, total fans following it. The only thing they better are spectators per game due to Australian ground bigger in size.

 

[Ellipsism]

You are absolutely wrong. Supersports offered to pay more for IPL telecast rights than they offered for SA's own global T20 league, tells you how popular it is in SA.

There were huge bids from companies in middle east US UK etc.

http://www.indiantelevision.com/tel...ipl-media-rights-and-is-the-winner-170904?amp


Here go through this. Ipl is hugely popular internationally. Ofcourse in Australia timings are a issue.

It’s not even with timings here, there aren’t many due hard cricketing fans here and doubt they even know the IPL is going on. I’m not questioning the popularity of the IPL, all I’m saying even with the superstars that the IPL manages to have their international viewership isn’t much better than that of the BBL. The BBL gets 1 million viewers per game in Australia alone (2014/15 stats).
Which excellent considering the population is only 24 million.

Though I expect the international viewerships of the IPL to increase this year due to the incentives taken, such as broadcasting in foreign languages etc.

 

[Mamoon]

They played in three very different conditions in Australia alone. Fact is you argued that Joe Root opted to play the IPL as he wanted to improve as a T20 player rather than just the money, when he himself said that money was a big factor in his decision.

There’s added pressure playing for the likes of RCB, MI etc. as they are usually teams that are able to constantly throw down wards of cash. As I’ve previously said there’s obviously added pressure when teams play big money for you.

I would imagine players would put the name down for the BBL as it’s hosted in a first world country, obviously that doesn’t mean that all players are safe when roaming the streets but they won’t be as restricted as they are in India. And this is not considering that the BBL has a larger international audience than the IPL (not considering Indian expats overseas) and larger crowds per game.

We will never be able to prove any of this, but here we have you spreading you are opinion like it’s fact.

The part of the sentence before and after "rather" are exactly the same. Joe Root wanted to play in the IPL because it was an opportunity for him to earn money AND to improve as a T20 batsman. Obviously, money was a big factor. I never that it was not.

However, players now also see the IPL as a tournament where they can improve their skills. It is international cricket in franchise form because over 90% of the current top players in the world play in it.

Secondly, the BBL does not have a bigger international audience. It is a mediocre league with an average pool of international players, saved by Australia's top class infrastructure and atmosphere. If you host the PSL in Australian stadiums with Australian production, it will look much better.

Similarly, if you host the BBL in the UAE, it will look average. The fielding is very good though, but it is a given considering this is Australia we are talking about it. Nonetheless, IPL is leagues above the BBL in every metric.

 

[Ellipsism]

Population of NZ is like 4M if im not wrong, that is like one Tier 3 city in India. Assuming 10-20% of Brits watches BBL (I highly doubt will be that high) that is arond 10-12M folks. I still don’t think BBL have that many audiences compared to IPL does (Indian expats or not).

BBL wont even have half the viewers IPL get. Supersport offered handsome amount to broadcast IPL for a reason, no? Same goes with Sky in UK (assuming all viewers are Indian expats). The reason IPL isn’t broadcasted in Australia cause IPL isnt even looking to expand in overseas market.

BBL is not even close to IPL in whatever indicator you want to discuss, be it finance, market, viewers, international players, total fans following it. The only thing they better are spectators per game due to Australian ground bigger in size.

Your last line is flawed as I don’t see IPL games getting sold out consistently even with their comparatively smaller stadiums. The BBL is getting large domestic viewership despite Australian stars not even taking part. One can only imagine the sort of viewership the BBL would get if it had its own window like the IPL.

There’s a large Indian population in SA, hence why they offered so much money. Otherwise the the market of cricket in SA is rapidly declining, with the expansion of Super Rugby.

 

[Bilal7]

Which is why I used Afridi's example. Certainly, some might players would choose for their local franchise because of patriotic sentiment. de Villiers might opt to play for his South African team over the RCB, but I do not see any reason why he would choose Zalmi, Perth Scorchers, Barbados Tridents or some BPL franchise over the RCB.

Similarly, the vast majority of the players would prefer to play in the IPL over the other leagues. Clearly, those leagues and franchises do not have the significance that the IPL has.

Not some. The vast majority. I can also see a Warner choosing to play in a New Zealand club over a club in India and similarly, an English cricketer would rather play in Australia rather than Pakistan or Bangladesh.

You are vastly underestimating the role money plays in attracting the top cricketers. The IPL has absolutely nothing else over the other cricket leagues. If the money was the same, the top cricketers would be found all over the world and thus, there would be equality on that front as well.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Your last line is flawed as I don’t see IPL games getting sold out consistently even with their comparatively smaller stadiums. The BBL is getting large domestic viewership despite Australian stars not even taking part. One can only imagine the sort of viewership the BBL would get if it had its own window like the IPL.

There’s a large Indian population in SA, hence why they offered so much money. Otherwise the the market of cricket in SA is rapidly declining, with the expansion of Super Rugby.

Avg crowd for IPL games is around 24K that is still resaonably much better crowd for domestic games.

As for ur statement about BBL having own window, well even if they do their viewers would only increase by 2-3M in Australia and will have absolute no impact to Indian viewers.

Like i said IPL is far better than BBL in whatever indicator you wanna discuss.
Market
Size
Finance
Fans
Star players
Salary


IPL is even generating more revenue than ICC that sums up the power of IPL.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It’s not even with timings here, there aren’t many due hard cricketing fans here and doubt they even know the IPL is going on. I’m not questioning the popularity of the IPL, all I’m saying even with the superstars that the IPL manages to have their international viewership isn’t much better than that of the BBL. The BBL gets 1 million viewers per game in Australia alone (2014/15 stats):
Which excellent considering the population is only 24 million.

Though I expect the international viewerships of the IPL to increase this year due to the incentives taken, such as broadcasting in foreign languages etc.

Broadcasting in foreign languages?

IPL has much bigger international viewership than BBL. Thats why so much bidding for IPL international rights.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Not some. The vast majority. I can also see a Warner choosing to play in a New Zealand club over a club in India and similarly, an English cricketer would rather play in Australia rather than Pakistan or Bangladesh.

You are vastly underestimating the role money plays in attracting the top cricketers. The IPL has absolutely nothing else over the other cricket leagues. If the money was the same, the top cricketers would be found all over the world and thus, there would be equality on that front as well.

Thats a big IF. For the forseable future, No league will pay the players as much as IPL.

NO other league will equal IPL not at least in next 5 years

 

[cricketjoshila]

Your last line is flawed as I don’t see IPL games getting sold out consistently even with their comparatively smaller stadiums. The BBL is getting large domestic viewership despite Australian stars not even taking part. One can only imagine the sort of viewership the BBL would get if it had its own window like the IPL.

There’s a large Indian population in SA, hence why they offered so much money. Otherwise the the market of cricket in SA is rapidly declining, with the expansion of Super Rugby.

Is the Indian population in SA larger than the entire SA population? Because SS offered more for IPL than for Global T20 league.

http://www.livemint.com/Consumer/Y8J13d9lObcYS7xFFcUXNI/IPL-viewership-jumped-225-in-2017-BARC.html

Here are the viewership figures for IPL. Its apparently in Billion.

 

[Gubol123]

Is the Indian population in SA larger than the entire SA population? Because SS offered more for IPL than for Global T20 league.

http://www.livemint.com/Consumer/Y8J13d9lObcYS7xFFcUXNI/IPL-viewership-jumped-225-in-2017-BARC.html

Here are the viewership figures for IPL. Its apparently in Billion.

I think those are impressions and not unique audience.. anyway it is a huge number.. It would be interesting to see how IPL does this time. Both Kabbaddi and ISL has garnered a lot of viewers.. In fact pro Kabaddi had more viewers when compared to India SL series..

https://www.sportskeeda.com/kabaddi...l-overtakes-cricket-in-tv-viewership-in-india

I am sure the same will be case when WI series comes up later this year. I predict in the next few years both Kabaddi and ISL will have viewership comparable to that of lower tier cricket series like SL, BD and WI. That is a good place to be in for those two leagues.. This might also impact the IPL as the overall budget for the year is fixed by corporate and they might see a better ROI in those other leagues.. Star won't suffer much as the businesses are still staying with them but IPL might.. There is no way these leagues will go past IPL in the next decade but they will corner a good portion of the corporate ad budget

A good GDP growth will mean the whole pie will get bigger making it easier for IPL to grow year on year.. I expect it to grow atleast twice as fast as GDP growth for next few years and later settling to around GDP+25% growth.. Interesting times ahead for Indian sports

 

[Gubol123]

I think those are impressions and not unique audience.. anyway it is a huge number.. It would be interesting to see how IPL does this time. Both Kabbaddi and ISL has garnered a lot of viewers.. In fact pro Kabaddi had more viewers when compared to India SL series..

https://www.sportskeeda.com/kabaddi...l-overtakes-cricket-in-tv-viewership-in-india

I am sure the same will be case when WI series comes up later this year. I predict in the next few years both Kabaddi and ISL will have viewership comparable to that of lower tier cricket series like SL, BD and WI. That is a good place to be in for those two leagues.. This might also impact the IPL as the overall budget for the year is fixed by corporate and they might see a better ROI in those other leagues.. Star won't suffer much as the businesses are still staying with them but IPL might.. There is no way these leagues will go past IPL in the next decade but they will corner a good portion of the corporate ad budget

A good GDP growth will mean the whole pie will get bigger making it easier for IPL to grow year on year.. I expect it to grow atleast twice as fast as GDP growth for next few years and later settling to around GDP+25% growth.. Interesting times ahead for Indian sports

I mean GDP growth rate + 25% of GDP growth rate, essentially 125% of GDP growth rate. So if India grows at 10% IPL should grow around 12.5%

 

[R3verse Swing]

Overrated compared to what is the question ?

You do not have to compare to rate.

 

[Napa]

Good to see that PSL is also in the list at the end. At least now there wont be discussion about which is the 2nd best league as there is no Big Bash, BPL or CPL.

While Wiki is often a good source, the lists it has are sometimes incomplete. The television rights for Big Bash is currently $20M per year and expected to increase significantly going forward, while PSL according to the Wiki list is around $6M per year.

http://www.afr.com/business/sport/b...-for-crickets-big-bash-league-20171220-h08065

The MLS is far ahead of the IPL.

Far ahead? As usual you are inaccurate. Instead of looking at a dated list, keep up with the times. Just the television revenues for IPL sold for about $2.5B for 5 years, which is $500M per year. Add in ticket sales, merchandising etc. and quite likely IPL will be ahead of the mostly stagnant MLS with revenues of $612M in 2016.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/04/ipl-rights-sold-star-india-cricket-twenty-20

How good are Canada and the US at soccer? Not very, let me tell you.

The US is ranked 25 out of over 200 countries. Not bad when you compare it with some other large countries with 100M+ populations, Russia 63, China 65, India 99, Indonesia 162, Bangladesh 197 and Pakistan 203.

http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/index.html

 

[WengerOut]

You do not have to compare to rate.

Everything is relative. So kind of you do have to compare.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Biggest cricket league, star players, world class stadiums, international level competition yet we haven't won a single T20 World Cup after it came into existence. Not to forget we are struggling to find a decent finisher for T20's and guys like Dhoni, Raina, Karthik still can't be replaced. What is IPL doing other than printing money?

 

[Rahul1]

Biggest cricket league, star players, world class stadiums, international level competition yet we haven't won a single T20 World Cup after it came into existence. Not to forget we are struggling to find a decent finisher for T20's and guys like Dhoni, Raina, Karthik still can't be replaced. What is IPL doing other than printing money?

Don't burst the bubble of ipl fans bro.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Biggest cricket league, star players, world class stadiums, international level competition yet we haven't won a single T20 World Cup after it came into existence. Not to forget we are struggling to find a decent finisher for T20's and guys like Dhoni, Raina, Karthik still can't be replaced. What is IPL doing other than printing money?

Ranji trophy is being played since eternal yet Indian team have not won single series in SA or Australia, i wonder what is Ranji doing?

 

[Gubol123]

Biggest cricket league, star players, world class stadiums, international level competition yet we haven't won a single T20 World Cup after it came into existence. Not to forget we are struggling to find a decent finisher for T20's and guys like Dhoni, Raina, Karthik still can't be replaced. What is IPL doing other than printing money?

People are stupid if they think its the private league job to develop players.. IPL is a for profit organization. India has a good FC setup for developing players..

 

[CricCrazyNick]

As a money-making machine, it is certainly not overrated. As a cricket spectacle, it is probably also not overrated since nobody (apart from Indians) actually rates it.

Jus because Pakistanis dont rate it (For obvious reason ) how you come to the conclusion that nobody rate it.
Top players like joe root leaving thr national duties to play in IPL and you are saying nobody rate it..

 

[WengerOut]

IPL is the closest that the domestic players can get to go through the pressures of international cricket. IPL provides fast tracking as far as IDENTIFYING TALENT is concerned. Why should IPL bore the brunt if those players dont make it to the next level. Players get use to playing in pressure situations. Many players who would have otherwise lost to the system can now consider a financially viable career.


Some posters here , in an attempt to stand out from the rest , simply put forward rubbishes . If India had won any T20 WC after 2008, then they would come up with the rubbish that they had won in 2007 without IPL. They have ready made excuses. It does not matter if the attitude of players changed and there is a general improvement in LOIs as far as India is concerned. What you don't like is not necessarily bad. It is easy to act sensible by glorifying tests and bashing T20s , when you have a day job and your life is settled. There are many professional cricketers whose life would have been nothing if not for IPL.

 

[CricketCartoons]

It is easy to act sensible by glorifying tests and bashing T20s , when you have a day job and your life is settled. There are many professional cricketers whose life would have been nothing if not for IPL.

Exactly. Those who dish T20 leagues are not real cricket fans. Any true cricket fan will always welcome and support any league/format which provides financial stability to the cricketers families. These pretenders who go about calling themselves cricket aficionados are actually a selfish and entitled bunch who only think about themselves without caring about the cricketers who provide them entertainment.

 

[msb314]

IPL has the star power and the top players that the other leagues lack - including PSL.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Exactly. Those who dish T20 leagues are not real cricket fans. Any true cricket fan will always welcome and support any league/format which provides financial stability to the cricketers families. These pretenders who go about calling themselves cricket aficionados are actually a selfish and entitled bunch who only think about themselves without caring about the cricketers who provide them entertainment.

Perfectly put, this post should settle the debate of OP

 

[Send1983]

Biggest cricket league, star players, world class stadiums, international level competition yet we haven't won a single T20 World Cup after it came into existence. Not to forget we are struggling to find a decent finisher for T20's and guys like Dhoni, Raina, Karthik still can't be replaced. What is IPL doing other than printing money?

Pathetic post. You don’t see any improvement in Indian cricket in the last 10 yrs? We are no 1 in test and ODI. Money printed with the help of IPL is not improving cricket infrastructure and standard in Indian Cricket? We have two back up WK batsmen ready to replace Dhoni. Why should Raina anD Karthik need to be replaced? They are only 32. We still have a lot of good batsmen. Don’t we have good fast bowlers wait8ng in the w8ngs? Do you remember we had bowlers like venky, kruvilla, mohanty,etc..

 

[IndianFan2018]

Pathetic post. You don’t see any improvement in Indian cricket in the last 10 yrs? We are no 1 in test and ODI. Money printed with the help of IPL is not improving cricket infrastructure and standard in Indian Cricket? We have two back up WK batsmen ready to replace Dhoni. Why should Raina anD Karthik need to be replaced? They are only 32. We still have a lot of good batsmen. Don’t we have good fast bowlers wait8ng in the w8ngs? Do you remember we had bowlers like venky, kruvilla, mohanty,etc..

Some guys feel happy bashing IPL ...can't argue with them, leave it bro.

IPL is optly rated by all concerned, same PPers use to bash IPL day in day out, after PSL happened opinions changed to avoid hypocrisy

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pathetic post. You don’t see any improvement in Indian cricket in the last 10 yrs? We are no 1 in test and ODI. Money printed with the help of IPL is not improving cricket infrastructure and standard in Indian Cricket? We have two back up WK batsmen ready to replace Dhoni. Why should Raina anD Karthik need to be replaced? They are only 32. We still have a lot of good batsmen. Don’t we have good fast bowlers wait8ng in the w8ngs? Do you remember we had bowlers like venky, kruvilla, mohanty,etc..

So we are number 1 in Test Cricket because of IPL. Wow. What a logic man.

 

[Hitman]

Overrated or not, IPL sure does make players skip other leagues even after being signed by them for the sake of being injury free for the Indian league

 

[CricCrazyNick]

IPL is appropriately rated, underrated, and overrated all at the same time. The common cricket fan in places like Australia barely knows anything about the IPL and might not even be aware of it's existence. The average cricket fan in India might recognise it for what it's worth and think of it as entertainment rather than pure cricket of the highest order. Then there are the IPL fanatics, who claim that it is the best thing since sliced bread and believe that it will overtake international cricket in the next 10 years.

R you from Australia

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

R you from Australia

Pakistani born but living in aus since 2.5 years

 

[big_gamer007]

So how exactly is it overrated?

IPL is best T20 league in the world. - Aptly rated
IPL helped indian cricket - True
IPL provides financial security - True
Without IPL BCCI would not have same amount of funds to invest in domestics. - True

So all the above is true.. I don’t see anyone here claim that IPL is better than premier league football or NBA but in regards to cricket it is best T20 league which is a fact..

Seems like posters use terms like overrated casually these days.. Give an example of being overrated and maybe one can debate then but from what I have seen no one overrates it..

 

[big_gamer007]

Biggest cricket league, star players, world class stadiums, international level competition yet we haven't won a single T20 World Cup after it came into existence. Not to forget we are struggling to find a decent finisher for T20's and guys like Dhoni, Raina, Karthik still can't be replaced. What is IPL doing other than printing money?

England has the biggest football league money wise yet their national team suck in football compared to top teams around he world..

IPL is doing good for financial stability and developing infrastructure it will take 10-15 years more for results to show when the next generation benefits from infrastructure development due to IPL money.. You need to remember IPL is only 10 years old, you can’t expect major overhaul in 10 years.. Either ways even if you don’t want to accept positives of IPL due to your bias, there is no cons of IPL..

So if you don’t like don’t watch simple. It’s not the 90’s anymore I assume you got internet and Tata sky so plenty of options during IPL time..

 

[big_gamer007]

Thats a big IF. For the forseable future, No league will pay the players as much as IPL.

NO other league will equal IPL not at least in next 5 years

Not just 5 years but for couple of decades minimum.. Cricket at the moment is majorly a sub continent sport.. Doubt it will change for next 20 years atleast..

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

It may be small for IPL but considering that PSLs entire rights went for 15mn or Bbl's entire rights went for 100mn, 10mn for Aus and NZ is not bad.

10 million is downright pathetic seeing how much interest is their for the IPL in other regions. PSL and BBL are much smaller leagues with much smaller target demographics. IPL has never been a success in the trans-tasman region and such cheap broadcasting rights is testament to the fact that no one cares about the IPL down under.

 

[Hitman]

I don't like T20 cricket either, in fact I hate it. Yet I appreciate the IPL and am proud of it being the best league in world cricket. I still don't watch it though. Therein lies the difference. How can an Indian cricket fan not be happy for our league being the best cricket league in the world by a long, long way? It's confusing.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Pakistani born but living in aus since 2.5 years

Good to know, AUS is a wonderful place. I worked in Melbourne for sometime.

Agee on your view about AUS people not caring about IPL.
When I was in Melbourne, being hardcore cricket fan could not follow IPL much myself, as matches were starting late night.

IPL itself is not dependent on AUS, NZ or any other country fans other than Indians and expats.

IPL is run like proper business, so all possible risks in future are mitigated with adequate measures from qualified personnel ...hence the successful IPL form decade even with so many obstacles on the way.

On top of that jaw-dropping deal for next 5 years broadcast rights

IPL is not overrated !

 

[IndianFan2018]

10 million is downright pathetic seeing how much interest is their for the IPL in other regions. PSL and BBL are much smaller leagues with much smaller target demographics. IPL has never been a success in the trans-tasman region and such cheap broadcasting rights is testament to the fact that no one cares about the IPL down under.

It's like saying SL don't care what's happening in some premier football league in Europe, doesn't matter they have their own fan base...everything else is bonus.

 

[cricketjoshila]

10 million is downright pathetic seeing how much interest is their for the IPL in other regions. PSL and BBL are much smaller leagues with much smaller target demographics. IPL has never been a success in the trans-tasman region and such cheap broadcasting rights is testament to the fact that no one cares about the IPL down under.

You are comparing the worst ipl rights figure to overall figures of other leagues. That IPL can make 10mn usd out of its worst territory where other leagues will make that much from their entire rights in a year tells you how successful a indian domestic league is.

 

[Send1983]

So we are number 1 in Test Cricket because of IPL. Wow. What a logic man.

Did you read it probably? Money printed by the help of IPL is being used for the improvement of cricket infrastructure in India, more parents are letting their kids play cricket, cricketers are getting pension, domestic cricket is being televised, etc overall Indian team is looking far better than how it was decade ago. Partly due to IPL and IPL money.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Did you read it probably? Money printed by the help of IPL is being used for the improvement of cricket infrastructure in India, more parents are letting their kids play cricket, cricketers are getting pension, domestic cricket is being televised, etc overall Indian team is looking far better than how it was decade ago. Partly due to IPL and IPL money.

Lolwut? Domestic cricketers didn't get paid for the last 2 seasons. Looks like you were not aware of DDSports when they used to show domestic cricket in India. The only thing IPL has given to Indian cricket is some fake plastic cricket fans who only watch 2 months of Pyjama Cricket and think they can rule the world by replacing International Cricket.

Note : I am only talking about those Indian fans who watch 2 months of Indian Pyjama League only.

 

[Send1983]

Lolwut? Domestic cricketers didn't get paid for the last 2 seasons. Looks like you were not aware of DDSports when they used to show domestic cricket in India. The only thing IPL has given to Indian cricket is some fake plastic cricket fans who only watch 2 months of Pyjama Cricket and think they can rule the world by replacing International Cricket.

Note : I am only talking about those Indian fans who watch 2 months of Indian Pyjama League only.

So you believe that BCCI don’t have enough money to pay domestic cricketers as promised? Poor response. Don’t compare how domestic cricket was televised decade ago and now by BCCI. No comparison at all. We all Know about DD. Nope not only housewives started watching cricket, I see a lot of young kids as well crazy about IPL and watching international LOIs too.

 

[rhony]

I don't like T20 cricket either, in fact I hate it. Yet I appreciate the IPL and am proud of it being the best league in world cricket. I still don't watch it though. Therein lies the difference. How can an Indian cricket fan not be happy for our league being the best cricket league in the world by a long, long way? It's confusing.

He doesn't like IPL, that's fine. But he seems to ignore the impact of it and vehemently denies that it influenced the way Indians play in LOIs. I'm guessing he's a dare devils fan and just gave up after years of disappointment.

 

[big_gamer007]

Well I am Delhi fan but I don’t criticise IPL.. I don’t watch it fully just on and off and Delhi matches I watch.. I haven’t watched a match in stadium for few years but I watched nearly every game in stadium in initial 2-3 years and I can tell you one thing Delhi has the most weird crowd in entire IPL..

Few instances:

1. Sachin scored 60+ runs and whole crowd was supporting Sachin and not Delhi.. Expected as IPL was still new and it’s Sachin after all.
2. IPL vs Deccan chargers and the bay I was in had more Deccan chargers fans than Delhi fans.. One uncle was passionately supporting Delhi and he got abused so badly when Delhi lost I felt sorry for him.
3. Half the time fans cheer for sixes and fours regardless of which team hits it.
4. There is no song or passionate support for Delhi like you see in Bangalore or Chennai for their teams or Kolkatta for that matter.. Delhiites don’t associate that passionately with DD as rest of the fan base.. Maybe because the team is poor historically apart from first 2-3 seasons or maybe the there is not enough pull where DD seems to be representing Delhi..

This was the situation in first 5 seasons when I used to visit, haven’t visited since then..

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He doesn't like IPL, that's fine. But he seems to ignore the impact of it and vehemently denies that it influenced the way Indians play in LOIs. I'm guessing he's a dare devils fan and just gave up after years of disappointment.

Please name 10 players who were the find of IPL and are setting the world on fire. Don't run away this time without telling these names.

Some of you act as if there was no cricket being played before Pyjama League came. Aus of 2000s dominated ODIs without playing in Pyjama League. India too was a very good team during 2002-2006.

Also I am guessing you only get to see matches during Apr-May every year hence the love for Pyjama League.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Overrated for others but for Indian cricket, has only brought positives - financial security to at least 150+ Indian cricketers, massive improvements in infrastructure, a motivation for youngsters in remote areas to see it as a career opportunity and fine tuning skills of our players who get to play against the biggest names. Not to forget the money it brings to BCCI which is then using the same money to give massive payouts to our ex-stalwarts and hike the match fees of domestic cricketers.

And then there is a minor point of great entertainment for two months during the summer. Long live the IPL revolution

 

[jnaveen1980]

A domestic league becoming popular will only increase popularity, sustainability of the game There are quiet a lot of positives. It is not without downsides. Biggest one is players giving up on traditional cricket. It results in players developing specific technique to succeed in the shortest format of the game while ignoring traditional techniques. You have an injury and you get a chance to take rest during IPL or during an international series. Invariably players will take rest during international schedule. overload of players.
There is an air of contentment within players.Some might lose interest in working towards earning a spot in the national team. Not all. But Some. Overall there are more positives than negatives.

 

[rhony]

Please name 10 players who were the find of IPL and are setting the world on fire. Don't run away this time without telling these names.

Some of you act as if there was no cricket being played before Pyjama League came. Aus of 2000s dominated ODIs without playing in Pyjama League. India too was a very good team during 2002-2006.

Also I am guessing you only get to see matches during Apr-May every year hence the love for Pyjama League.

Again with your narrow mindedness. I've debated this with you for months but you are stubborn. IPL has faciliated the comeback of so many of the Indian players we have now. Rohit after his exploits in Deccan chargers. Before that he was dumped. Raina ditto. Bumrah is an IPL find. B Kumar honed his death bowling skills at sunrisers. Before that he was utter rubbish. Pandya, the best allrounder India has for better or worse is an IPL find. Washington Sundar is in India team now because of IPL. No one cared who CHahal was before RCB. Ditto with Kuldeep. Manish Pandey in your team is because of what he did in KKR.
No body cares about Indian domestics. The other day I watching some highlights of some Indian oldie scoring a double hundred. Looked up his name and he is a beast in Indian domestics. His name is Wasim Jaffar. He has scored 50 hundreds in Indian domestics and nobody knows who he is outside of India.

IPL helps players get the visibility that they so crave for, provides financial security that they desperately deserve, improves their game under pressure which they dsperately need. IPL helped a bunch of foreign players make a name for themselves.

 

[CricCrazyNick]

Please name 10 players who were the find of IPL and are setting the world on fire. Don't run away this time without telling these names.

Some of you act as if there was no cricket being played before Pyjama League came. Aus of 2000s dominated ODIs without playing in Pyjama League. India too was a very good team during 2002-2006.

Also I am guessing you only get to see matches during Apr-May every year hence the love for Pyjama League.

Ur question itself got no logic whatsoever
India dont select players soley on the basis of Ipl
Dont compare it with any other countries league whers they dont have proper domestic structure and put sutta on any player who performed brilliantly in thr league...

 

[rhony]

Experts all over the world have acknowledged the impact of IPL on India's dominance in LOIs. IPL has been tfeeding India it's LOI players. Rahane was stuck in domestics for years and people started noticing his exploits after IPL. That 70 percent of your ODI lineup. Who in their right mind would give a fickle character like Rohit capataincy of India if not for his stint as MI captain. Ashwin and Jaddu even though on the sidelines now have performed in IPL and became a part of Indian LOI teams. I can go on and on but no, you have your mind set on your narrow point and you just cling to it like a child to a candy

 

[Send1983]

Again with your narrow mindedness. I've debated this with you for months but you are stubborn. IPL has faciliated the comeback of so many of the Indian players we have now. Rohit after his exploits in Deccan chargers. Before that he was dumped. Raina ditto. Bumrah is an IPL find. B Kumar honed his death bowling skills at sunrisers. Before that he was utter rubbish. Pandya, the best allrounder India has for better or worse is an IPL find. Washington Sundar is in India team now because of IPL. No one cared who CHahal was before RCB. Ditto with Kuldeep. Manish Pandey in your team is because of what he did in KKR.
No body cares about Indian domestics. The other day I watching some highlights of some Indian oldie scoring a double hundred. Looked up his name and he is a beast in Indian domestics. His name is Wasim Jaffar. He has scored 50 hundreds in Indian domestics and nobody knows who he is outside of India.

IPL helps players get the visibility that they so crave for, provides financial security that they desperately deserve, improves their game under pressure which they dsperately need. IPL helped a bunch of foreign players make a name for themselves.

Not sure why do we have to give names. Indian cricket overall is far better than how it was before 2008.

Both bowling and fielding improved several times. Batting is as good as what we had in the past. They have started to compete well outside home as well. Consistently in semis or finals of most of the icc tournaments in the last 10 yrs. To get to where we are currently, IPL and IPL money didn’t help? Being a strong and rich board didn’t help? Having confident players pool didn’t help? He didn’t want to accept that he has been wrong all along. Now it’s his ego which doesn’t allow him to accept the reality.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Again with your narrow mindedness. I've debated this with you for months but you are stubborn. IPL has faciliated the comeback of so many of the Indian players we have now. Rohit after his exploits in Deccan chargers. Before that he was dumped. Raina ditto. Bumrah is an IPL find. B Kumar honed his death bowling skills at sunrisers. Before that he was utter rubbish. Pandya, the best allrounder India has for better or worse is an IPL find. Washington Sundar is in India team now because of IPL. No one cared who CHahal was before RCB. Ditto with Kuldeep. Manish Pandey in your team is because of what he did in KKR.
No body cares about Indian domestics. The other day I watching some highlights of some Indian oldie scoring a double hundred. Looked up his name and he is a beast in Indian domestics. His name is Wasim Jaffar. He has scored 50 hundreds in Indian domestics and nobody knows who he is outside of India.

IPL helps players get the visibility that they so crave for, provides financial security that they desperately deserve, improves their game under pressure which they dsperately need. IPL helped a bunch of foreign players make a name for themselves.

You are again diverting the question. Can you please name those 10 players who were founded by IPL?

If you want me to take you seriously then don't write rubbish like this 'Nobody cares about Indian domestics'. From where did Sachin, Dravid, Gavaskar, Kapil, Kumble came into indian team? What makes you think that cricket would have died without IPL?

All you have to say about IPL is how this and that player made a comeback into the indian team. As if they would have sit idle in their drawing room if there was no IPL.

You seem to have a limited knowledge about Indian cricket when you don't even know that Wasim Jaffer already played for India.

Let me tell you 4 more names who were beast in domestic cricket.

Ajay Sharma
Amol Mazumdar


Google them.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not sure why do we have to give names. Indian cricket overall is far better than how it was before 2008.

Both bowling and fielding improved several times. Batting is as good as what we had in the past. They have started to compete well outside home as well. Consistently in semis or finals of most of the icc tournaments in the last 10 yrs. To get to where we are currently, IPL and IPL money didn’t help? Being a strong and rich board didn’t help? Having confident players pool didn’t help? He didn’t want to accept that he has been wrong all along. Now it’s his ego which doesn’t allow him to accept the reality.

Batting have improved? Lol seriously look at our middle order. Our current team depends on 2 guys only.

What reality are you talking about?

 

[rhony]

You are again diverting the question. Can you please name those 10 players who were founded by IPL?

If you want me to take you seriously then don't write rubbish like this 'Nobody cares about Indian domestics'. From where did Sachin, Dravid, Gavaskar, Kapil, Kumble came into indian team? What makes you think that cricket would have died without IPL?

All you have to say about IPL is how this and that player made a comeback into the indian team. As if they would have sit idle in their drawing room if there was no IPL.

You seem to have a limited knowledge about Indian cricket when you don't even know that Wasim Jaffer already played for India.

Let me tell you 4 more names who were beast in domestic cricket.

Ajay Sharma
Amol Mazumdar


Google them.

Sachin, Dravid? Really? Is that your defence? Indian domestics produced Sachin so we don't need IPL.
People travelled on bullock carts so we don't need an automobile?

Indian domestics feeds the players to IPL and IPL hones them or spits them out. What does that tell you? If you are a great in doemstics, it means squat if you don't do well in IPL. It just shows you can play when there is no pressure and against trundlers. IPL even picked players from nowehere and made them famous like Bumrah and Hardik and Sundar.

Based on Sachin, Dravid comment, I have realized you just hate T20s in general and don't care where cricket is going. You want those yesteryears where Marshall and Lille were bowling to Sunny and Kapil. That's fine. Now we know not to indulge.

 

[rhony]

Batting have improved? Lol seriously look at our middle order. Our current team depends on 2 guys only.

What reality are you talking about?

What are the domestics doing Viru paaji? Domestics produced Sachin and Dravid? Can't they produce just 2 middle order batsman. Wait a sec..They produced Iyer Ponting and Shankar Sachin. Both of them couldnt put bat to ball.