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Is the Pakistan fans love-affair with the Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan partnership over?

Is the Pakistan fans love-affair for Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan partnership over now?


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1) Zaz I'm sorry if my language against these two seems harsh recently but surely you can understand fans' anger and frustration that we're on the verge of a group stage exit of the World Cup.

T20 World Cups represent our best chance of winning a World Cup. The best side doesn't always win, you just need a well timed run. Therefore you can't expect a much vaunted opening pair sitting high in ICC rankings who haven't performed to evade criticism - especially when this pair was touted as a strength by its management.

2) I mentioned Babar and Rizwan's successes in my second paragraph. However I also explained some of those were against modest attacks including those big chases you refer to. The 203 chase vs SAF in 2021 came after their key bowlers left for IPL.

Their attack that day: Linde, Hendricks, Williams, Shamsi and Magala.

The 199 chase vs ENG came without their key pacers Mark Wood. Yes you can only play what's in front of you, but you can't deny their records were partly inflated by this.

3) Senior players have a responsibility to lead by example and place the team's interests ahead of theirs. Babar's refusal to bat at 3 however has imbalanced the side. To not try different opening pairs in inconsequential matches and give others confidence shows a captain unwilling to step out of his comfort zones.

I understand fans frustration because i am one too and would more than anything want to win a another world cup

And yes i agree with many points youve made on some decisions for example they couldve just tried differing options at the top in the last 6 months

This new kid shouldve played more games for pakistan having been sat on the bench for the last 6 months But like the others he may have failed if he had been played Just because of one innings we cant say whether he should be a dead cert on the team or not

Yes babar and Riz shouldve tried different strategies, new players and sat out a few game But at same time they gave plenty of chances to the likes of Khushdil Asif Ali and Haider only for them to let babar down

Mistakes have been made but as weve seen any team is a sum of its parts

Its frustrating babar and riz havent come to the party but the two losses weve had were not directly down to them
Pakistan has got in positions in the last 3 overs of both games where they shouldve won and blaming babar and riz for going out of his world cup is unjust

They arent the sole or major reason for our failures and even though its dissapointing we have to be fair and just in our critique
 
Funnily enough, the only Pakistani batsmen to come out of the World Cup with any credit is Chacha!

He's a beast when he is in his element. Domestic trundlers are like toys for him and for some reason Australia is a place where he's thrived before.

Stick him anywhere else and he's like a lost puppy sadly.
 
3) Senior players have a responsibility to lead by example and place the team's interests ahead of theirs. Babar's refusal to bat at 3 however has imbalanced the side. To not try different opening pairs in inconsequential matches and give others confidence shows a captain unwilling to step out of his comfort zones.

I think this is a fair point, however on what basis did anyone deserve to have a shot at opener?

Fakhar's form has been atrocious. Haider Ali isn't ready for this level. Sharjeel is a national disgrace.

Haris played well for his 20 the other day but he is too raw to be in the team just yet, lest we want to ruin him like we did with Haider.

Meanwhile Babar and Rizwan have been piling on the runs and rescuing a failing batting line up repeatedly again and again. Babar could play three. But he has done enough where if he doesn't want to, he doesn't have to.

That might change after this WC though.
 
Rightfully should be lambasted for what they did against Zimbo putting us on the verge of being knocked out.
 
Rightfully should be lambasted for what they did against Zimbo putting us on the verge of being knocked out.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] called them out rightly

They were preparing for the stats pad act but Muzarbani and NGarva had other plans that day
 
He's a beast when he is in his element. Domestic trundlers are like toys for him and for some reason Australia is a place where he's thrived before.

Stick him anywhere else and he's like a lost puppy sadly.

Yeah, Chacha is a beast when he is in his element but Sharjeel is a national disgrace
 
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Rightfully should be lambasted for what they did against Zimbo putting us on the verge of being knocked out.

RizBab scored 18 (25) and you're saying the match was over at that point?

I think you've shot yourself in the foot here.
 
See the point is pakistan has major issues in all depts of the game but shifting the whole malaise onto riz babar is short sighted and will not help correct the shortcomings of the others

The bowlers- theyve underperformed for months Be it the asia cup final against sri lanka or against india and zimbabwe ij this world cup Several times pakistan have had the opposition on the ropes but failed to close the game letting it drift to the point where teams have posted defendable totals or won games chasing they had no business winning
The lack of yorkers at the death has been telling, with only the likes of M Waseem actually targeting the stumps at the death


Middle order - Throughout the last yr the middle order have failed to show up at the party. Asif Ali Haider Khushdil have failed terribly at every opportunity to the point they are out of the team
This failure has meant that babar has had to turn to a shan masood who isnt a t20 player and giving shadab and nawaz more responsibility with the bat which has sometimes worked and sometimes now
The middle options remains terrible and pakistan are still a couple of players short in this regard

The fielding for a while now had been terrible with catches spilt, fielders colliding and misfields costing games Tbh theyve been pretty good this world cup but still in a game of fine margins they are badly lacking and behind other teams in fielding awareness ie palming the ball back from it going for a six or boundary catches where throwing the ball back into play

Yes babar and Riz need challenging on their strike rates but when a team has so many holes as mentioned above its not entirely fair to single out players and put all the blame on one or two of them
Exactly there are many huge holes in the team, but all the focus and criticism is on the smaller holes. They are atleast miles ahead then the other batsmans in team.
 
Babar is fine to open with a guy like fahkar or Haris


Since rizwan has openeded his stats have been amaIng but babar and more importantly Pakistan has suffered


Lol so drop the guy with amazing stats to protect Babar. People wonder why his fanbase is such a cult. The man has the fewest sixes and should be nowhere near the opening spot. One down is perfect for him but he's too selfish to be the captain he should be and let someone else open
 
RizBab scored 18 (25) and you're saying the match was over at that point?

I think you've shot yourself in the foot here.

Yes, they should have set a better tempo. They didn’t make many runs, the least they could have done is make their runs a bit faster before buzzing off
 
The problem with Babar, Rizwan and before them, the likes of Azhar Ali, Misbah, Imam up Haq etc, they look so laboured or make the pitch look like a minefield, they send negative signals to the rest of the team.

This is where Haris, even though he didn’t last long showed the others that if you’re willing to have some guts you can score here. It might even bruise a few egos that a newbie has come in, been hit on the head but is still brave, confident and able enough to smash that same attack over the park.

On the other hand, babar and Riz and their predecessors gave everyone the feeling: “Well if they’re struggling, we can’t be blamed if we fail too”

The tempo of a start makes a massive difference to the team
 
Lol so drop the guy with amazing stats to protect Babar. People wonder why his fanbase is such a cult. The man has the fewest sixes and should be nowhere near the opening spot. One down is perfect for him but he's too selfish to be the captain he should be and let someone else open

Yeah

Drop the guy with the amazing stats from the team even if the whole world can see he is the problem

Not going to wait for this guy to make a string of poor scores to sack him. Because he will play selfishly anyways to somehow avoid them. Like he did with his pathetic 49 against Netherlands
 
The problem with Babar, Rizwan and before them, the likes of Azhar Ali, Misbah, Imam up Haq etc, they look so laboured or make the pitch look like a minefield, they send negative signals to the rest of the team.

This is where Haris, even though he didn’t last long showed the others that if you’re willing to have some guts you can score here. It might even bruise a few egos that a newbie has come in, been hit on the head but is still brave, confident and able enough to smash that same attack over the park.

On the other hand, babar and Riz and their predecessors gave everyone the feeling: “Well if they’re struggling, we can’t be blamed if we fail too”

The tempo of a start makes a massive difference to the team

Yeah, even Shadab who isn't even a batsman has played fearlessly and has been rewarded. Rizba tried their con act of playing for the 10 wicket win against Zimb with a snail approach and to benefit nobody but their own personal stats.
 
Yeah, even Shadab who isn't even a batsman has played fearlessly and has been rewarded. Rizba tried their con act of playing for the 10 wicket win against Zimb with a snail approach and to benefit nobody but their own personal stats.

Shadab played very well the other but that kind of approach isnt going to work every day

Thats why shadab avges in his teens Its high risk cricket

Whats fearless? Throwing the bat at everything?

Riz babar can go faster and harder but that will result in them losing their wkt quicker with less runs on the board albeit at a higher strike rate

If the middle order and the likes of ifthikar shadab and nawaz can do this more often then yes babar and co should have confidence to go harder and faster In the psst that hasnt been the case
 
The thing is imagine if they clicked now? We would the World Cup if we did somehow got through as the middle and lower order is more settled now!
 
Shadab played very well the other but that kind of approach isnt going to work every day

Thats why shadab avges in his teens Its high risk cricket

Whats fearless? Throwing the bat at everything?

Riz babar can go faster and harder but that will result in them losing their wkt quicker with less runs on the board albeit at a higher strike rate

If the middle order and the likes of ifthikar shadab and nawaz can do this more often then yes babar and co should have confidence to go harder and faster In the psst that hasnt been the case

Don't think average is too big a deal in this format, that's why Shadab's innings helped us win.
 
Both Babar and Rizwan are selfish and play cowardly. So they are totally a mismatch as openers since openers should be non-selfish and should play bravely. PCB management should have realized this long time ago but they did not which means they are incompetent. So removing Babar and Rizwan as openers is not enough. You have to fire the incompetent PCB management as well.
 
It's amply clear that this pair can't bat on SENA pitches.

Which operners really clicked consistently in this tournament except one or two occasions. Situation is same with all the teams.
 
Yeah, even Shadab who isn't even a batsman has played fearlessly and has been rewarded. Rizba tried their con act of playing for the 10 wicket win against Zimb with a snail approach and to benefit nobody but their own personal stats.

Against Zimbabwe they were cruising at one stage. They just lost the momentum with quick 3 wickets in middle order. Its pretty strange that you are blaiming rizba for that loss.
 
Yes, this is an awful opening pair. They waste the power play, and put too much pressure on our already pathetic middle order.

Babar needs to go down to # 3 or #4.
 
I'm sorry but this is now bordering on madness. You have Masood waiting in the wings and he can atleast score around 7rpo easily. They've eaten up 8 overs and scored 1/3rd of the target.
 
Do they know what the gameplan is??? Let RR hit 8?

Their gameplan is save the wickets and then go for it in the end. They have no interest in taking advantage of the power play. They dont care about putting pressure on the middle over by giving them a higher rr.
 
Babar is way too limited in shots. He can only play fast if the pitch is very slow and ground is small. He doesn't have the ability to play faster against better bowlers and big ground.
 
The absolute worst and most selfish batting pair in history.

Screw the entire run rate over. Then give middle order monumental task to clear chases at 10+ RPO every time, and blame them for all defeats, while looking like the “best” for soft and cowardly 50s.

Babar played the most selfish 33 deliveries I’ve ever seen. He needs to be tied up next game and forced by all of the team and management to bat at 3 or whatever- but not to open.
 
Awful from both of them. They have been badly exposed in this World Cup on Australian pitches. As far as I am concerned, both of them don’t warrant a place in the t20 side.
 
Drop both of these rubbish players. How are we supposed to chase any big score of babar and rizwan are playing test matches.
 
57(63) run opening stand between Babar and Rizwan is the slowest - scoring rate of 5.42 - from a Full Member nation in all T20Is for the first wicket
 
It’s criminal to consume so many deliveries and get out like both did today. There should be consequences for this
approach. But is there any tough enough man to take them on?
 
It’s criminal to consume so many deliveries and get out like both did today. There should be consequences for this
approach. But is there any tough enough man to take them on?
Babar seems to have been given a free hand around everything in the last 2 years. Maybe, just maybe Ramiz will realize this is madness
 
Pak team fans should look for the betterment of team. It is amply clear that personal likings for few specific players is badly hurting the composure, momentum & morale of the entire team and destroying the career of many potential cricketers. They must change this defeatist mindset at any cost even if Pak wins this world cup
 
Very Selfish innings by Babar, he was looking to spend time on the wicket instead of chasing the score.

If somehow Pakistan fails to chase this, the blame should go to the openers, they batted for 6 overs of powerplay and managed to make this chase harder than it is.
 
And when you change your batting order every other game because of the openers approach, it’s quite obvious you are aware of the poor situation so why not fix it before hand?
 
Shan Masood has not been in the team for the last 2 years for being too "test match like".

The irony when he can score 18 of 9 without taking any risks whilst our opening pair couldn't even manage a SR of half that whilst consuming more than half the innings in the process.
 
Shan Masood has not been in the team for the last 2 years for being too "test match like".

The irony when he can score 18 of 9 without taking any risks whilst our opening pair couldn't even manage a SR of half that whilst consuming more than half the innings in the process.

Right. He has his failures in test matches, but he got very few opportunities in T20 and too at not his ideal position
 
I am a Rizbab fan but there is no denying what we are seeing in this WC.

Both of them look absolutely clueless on Australia wickets and are completely out of form to boot. That was the worst innings from them i have ever seen.

If Babar and Rizwan dare to walk out in the semis as openers they need to be shot out of a cannon.
 
Shan Masood has not been in the team for the last 2 years for being too "test match like".

The irony when he can score 18 of 9 without taking any risks whilst our opening pair couldn't even manage a SR of half that whilst consuming more than half the innings in the process.

Right. He has his failures in test matches, but he got very few opportunities in T20 and too at not his ideal position
 
I am a Rizbab fan but there is no denying what we are seeing in this WC.

Both of them look absolutely clueless on Australia wickets and are completely out of form to boot. That was the worst innings from them i have ever seen.

If Babar and Rizwan dare to walk out in the semis as openers they need to be shot out of a cannon.

Lol.

Took you long enough to realize that they are the problem, not the infamous middle order.

But thanks for noticing.
 
Today's batting was disgraceful.

The captain of a team having this type of mindset is embarrassing. They almost cost them the game and the tournament.
 
first of all, shan should open to have a left hander with right

rizwan plus shan should open and then babar at 3 to bat through and hold one end up. single double which is his natural game.

the rest bat around him
 
Babar just admitted in his interview that him and Rizwan were looking to take this deep…

Why???

You are openers! You have the Powerplay! You can take it deep if the openers fail in the powerplay! Why are they playing this selfish cricket ?!
 
Today that kind of innings was just fine. But I am not defending their overall scoring pattern.

Sometimes a solid platform is ok- but they have shown the inability or unwillingness to be able to shift gears and push the rate when they need to.

I have no problem with one opener ticking along for SR 12-130 and scoring 30-50 and hopefully acceleration to SR 140-150 by the end. BUT the otherone needs to recognise or discuss, "ok one of us needs to pick it up now and take some risks, who is it today, which bowler do you like etc?"

Someone needs to pick up the rate and ramp up the pressure on the bowlers.
 
Don't expect any changes.
This formula works
If between them the 11 players cant score 72 off 60 Vs Bangladesh in the second ten, the problem is more than the openers.
The good thing is formula hasn't fully clicked for our openers yet in this tournament so they are due.
 
Rameez must intervene here and stop Babar and Rizwan from opening in the semi finals , one can't put nation's stakes at risk because of some stubborn Captain who is currently out of form as well.
 
Don't expect any changes.
This formula works
If between them the 11 players cant score 72 off 60 Vs Bangladesh in the second ten, the problem is more than the openers.
The good thing is formula hasn't fully clicked for our openers yet in this tournament so they are due.

They started needing 128 off 120.

Taking it to 72 off 60 is nothing commendable with six overs of powerplay. In fact, their innings put more pressure on the others because they cut into the remaining deliveries.
 
RizBab scored 18 (25) and you're saying the match was over at that point?

I think you've shot yourself in the foot here.

Precisely. If that's the faith he has in the middle order, than surely he has to support rizbab batting conservatively.
Confused guy kroll
 
first of all, shan should open to have a left hander with right

rizwan plus shan should open and then babar at 3 to bat through and hold one end up. single double which is his natural game.

the rest bat around him
Sounds very logical right?..Also based on current performances Masood will most probably do a better job keeping the SR high. Atleast higher than what these two have managed. Hes actually better than them at the gap play game which is vital on these huge grounds

But that's never going to happen. Babar will not leave the opening spot. If he didn't listen to Wasim Akram at Karachi kings theres little chance hell listen to anyone else.

And Shan or anyone else in their place might actually reveal the hidden truth ; batting at the top and only aiming at a usual RR of 7 whilst playing thru to 15 overs isn't exactly the hardest job in a T20 game. Its the ideal situation to glorify your own personal stats. And they might actually get exposed.
 
They started needing 128 off 120.

Taking it to 72 off 60 is nothing commendable with six overs of powerplay. In fact, their innings put more pressure on the others because they cut into the remaining deliveries.

It wasn't ideal but we should still win every time from there. That's how we have played for 3 years, we ain't changing now
 
They started needing 128 off 120.

Taking it to 72 off 60 is nothing commendable with six overs of powerplay. In fact, their innings put more pressure on the others because they cut into the remaining deliveries.

It wasn't ideal but we should still win every time from there. That's how we have played for 3 years, we ain't changing now
 
They started needing 128 off 120.

Taking it to 72 off 60 is nothing commendable with six overs of powerplay. In fact, their innings put more pressure on the others because they cut into the remaining deliveries.

56-0 was better than 73-3 today. You will just have to trust me on that
 
Don't expect any changes.
This formula works
If between them the 11 players cant score 72 off 60 Vs Bangladesh in the second ten, the problem is more than the openers.
The good thing is formula hasn't fully clicked for our openers yet in this tournament so they are due.

If these two against a new ball inside the power play can only manage 5.5 RPO whilst consuming almost eleven overs of the innings, why should we expect the middle/lower order to manage a much higher SR whilst having much less time to settle in?
Consuming more than 55 % of the deliveries including the PP and then scoring less than 45% of the target , how is that the middle/lower orders fault? How is that helping the team ?
 
Babar Azam:

"Pitch wasn't easy to bat on. Little bit two-paced. Me and Rizwan decided to go long, but unfortunately didn't work out."
 
Babar Azam:

"Pitch wasn't easy to bat on. Little bit two-paced. Me and Rizwan decided to go long, but unfortunately didn't work out."

Whyyyyyyy though!!!

It’s 127 runs to win! Get the 50 runs in the powerplay and close out the game! Why do these two always leave with the Required run rate much higher than it started??
 
Lakeer kay Faqeer fits perfect to this Pak captain and management of PCT. There is NO VISION. To make the most out of this fortunate moment, if PCT captain and management did not change the opening combo, they are looking at a big time embarrassment against Eng more than likely. However, as I stated earlier, they won't against BD pop gun attack to prepare against the next opponent and waste opportunity to prepare for the playoff game. Despite me not wanting to watch them play, I end up watching these fools.
 
Babar just admitted in his interview that him and Rizwan were looking to take this deep…

Why???

You are openers! You have the Powerplay! You can take it deep if the openers fail in the powerplay! Why are they playing this selfish cricket ?!

that's his standard words in almost most match presentation, "we wanted to take this game to the deep"
We all must understand that in powerplay or initial 10 overs more chances should be taken, and while chasing in any T20 game it is the preliminary responsibility of top 4-5 batters to finish the game at the earliest convincingly. Deliberately playing at run a ball and getting out after 10-12 overs and leaving everything on middle order or lower middle order to chase at @ RRR of 12-14 reflects selfish mindset. Secondly, these guyz are tweaking the batting order in every match as per the convenience of top 2. The top two are deliberately creating pressure situation in every match and then putting unnecessary pressure on batters who come after 12 over.
 
Babar just admitted in his interview that him and Rizwan were looking to take this deep…

Why???

You are openers! You have the Powerplay! You can take it deep if the openers fail in the powerplay! Why are they playing this selfish cricket ?!

It’s just madness
 
If Pakistan have any ambition of going further, the penny has to drop and Haris must open.

But most likely we’ll continue the stubborness and be happy with a semi final exit. We’re always happy to do the bare minimum to maintain the status quo
 
Whyyyyyyy though!!!

It’s 127 runs to win! Get the 50 runs in the powerplay and close out the game! Why do these two always leave with the Required run rate much higher than it started??

I get that in general, but in low scoring games, these two are a good opening pair because you know they will usually give you a steady start. All Pakistan needed here was to win, scoring at a high run rate wasn't the priority.
 
LoL @ low run RRR chase strategy which we saw how beautifully it turned out against Zim. You can't win big unless you have heart of a champion and champions crush their opponents when they are down. It is just that they are Phttu...now go ahead and delete the honest truthful comment.
 
Both have been poor. Abysmal is the more accurate term if you analyse their batting approach closely ie no intent and no runs. But we need to back them now. The script for both should be to slog and gift their wickets rather than play at 5rpo in the powerplay. Someone in the management should put his foot down and drill them both rather than give the benefit of the doubt.

It is true that both of them had their merry way last two years but to be fair to them, they clocked the large volume of runs at 7rpo on average which isn't bad by any stretch of imagination.
 
I think correct me if i am wrong

Do Babar and Rizwan open in Tests or ODI’s ?

We need to move on to upcoming icc events. Cant be stuck in present or history.

Accountability can be done sure.
Sack babar from captaincy
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Not after they qualify for the semis, would do more damage to Pak cricket in future..
 
Babar Azam:

"Pitch wasn't easy to bat on. Little bit two-paced. Me and Rizwan decided to go long, but unfortunately didn't work out."

Yes, i agree with him. Pitch was not easy to bat on in any of 5 games Pak played so far in this WC. I am still trying to understand how ZIM & Bang started briskly against the best bowling attack of Pak. Pitch was also not easy to bat on in 2021 WC Semi Final, Asia Cup Final, 7 T20s against Eng, NZ Tri series final
 
Yes, i agree with him. Pitch was not easy to bat on in any of 5 games Pak played so far in this WC. I am still trying to understand how ZIM & Bang started briskly against the best bowling attack of Pak. Pitch was also not easy to bat on in 2021 WC Semi Final, Asia Cup Final, 7 T20s against Eng, NZ Tri series final
Because your bowlers don't know how to swing the new ball and shaheen not at his best so far.
 
Its criminal to be going at a run a ball or less from your openers no matter how tough the pitch is

I can understand you may be out of form but scratching around helps no one

Score some brisk runs or get out trying

They need to show more intent and need challenging This isnt good enough and will cost us in the semis
 
I am their supporter but Babar particularly seems completely out of nick and should now consider coming one down instead of opening.
 
Pure madness at this point.

I just hope that this opening combination doesn't cost us the semi-final and/or final.
 
Babar Azam:

"Pitch wasn't easy to bat on. Little bit two-paced. Me and Rizwan decided to go long, but unfortunately didn't work out."

Always blaming the pitch but we got 1-2 games potentially and there is an opportunity to clear the mind and erase the poor efforts from previous games, hopefully both Babar/Ris will be more confident and upbeat
 
Haris or Shan needs to open with Rizwan, so atleast there is only one out of form player playing the PP. Babar needs to come at 3 and take hold of the match as he used to do. Being selfish and stubborn is hurting his own batting.
 
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The innings was again shocking yesterday, they put more pressure on the team after they had gotten out. It it wasn’t for Mohamed haris, you never know how close it could have got. Really poor pacing of an innings, they just couldn’t hit the ball properly, and rizwan got lucky with an easy dropped catch.
 
Because your bowlers don't know how to swing the new ball and shaheen not at his best so far.

Really? And Zimbabwe & Bangladesh bowlers were bowling like Joel Garner & Michael Holding that's why top ranked batters failed to perform
 
Really? And Zimbabwe & Bangladesh bowlers were bowling like Joel Garner & Michael Holding that's why top ranked batters failed to perform
No, its because your batsmans are not capable enough to cope up in any unfavorable conditions and they are well known chokers in chasing any totals.
 
They are not going to play on Aussie pitches forever. Once the tourney is finished, they'll be number 1 & 2 in ICC rankings. :inti
 
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