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This is the most impressive Ind team I have seen in my time. No doubt there have been More talented batsman, and great spinners in the past but this team looks hungry and is young . This Ind team would beat the current Aus team in Australia and would go toe to toe in SA.
 
I think Sourav Ganguly's team with Zaheer Khan as the spearhead was the best Indian test team. This team has a good backup though. We have a good backup of fast bowlers, who can bowl at genuine pace, and good spinners. Batting has never been a problem. So, that way this team is better.
 
No, This Indian team gets to play weaker oppositions currently. Not taking anything away from team India but the side with SRT,Ganguly,Dravid, Kumble, was the best Indian side..
 
Might be at home. But it's also reflective of the fact that there are very few great teams around now.

But the team of the 2010s is comfortably the best team ever. Reached 130+ ranking points. Was great at home. Drew at Australia and South Africa, won at England, New Zealand, West Indies, Pakistan. This team will be judged by how well it travels away next year.
 
No.

Other teams are worse.

A one-eyed king leading a team of blind
 
No..

At home may be yes.. You have a 20 averaging spinner and a 60 averaging batsmen.
 
Not the best, but this is a very special Indian team. Winning 4-0 on these tracks despite losing 4 tosses and key players is extraordinary.
 
The best thing about this team is the hunger and the depth. They can only beat what's in front of them, people talk about the tour to Aus in in 03/04, well McGrath and Warne were both missing.
 
As usual, people getting carried away with what is going on in front of them.

Doesn't come close to this:

Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Ganguly
Dhoni
Kumble
Harbhajan
Zaheer
Nehra
 
YES!!!

Just like Misbah is the best captain for PAK ever.
 
in terms of how its destroyed other teams at home, cant' remember another Indian team doing.

End to end they have dominated every single session.

Ashwin is bowling better than anyone in the world at the moment.
 
Definitely not the best Indian team, not even close. The team that reached 130+ ranking points is India and Asia's best team as far as results go.


What this may be, and I am curious to hear what the consensus is, is the most consistently ruthless Indian and Asian team in home conditions.
 
I think they're the best home side in Test cricket. I want to see how well they play outside home conditions and there will be a few batsman that can hit some Test tons whereas Kohli will score them for fun. Bowling wise they're amazing at home with regards to their spin attack whereas their fast bowlers are good at holding down the opposition.
 
2009-2010-11 side was strongest

Series draw in SA is no joke
 
Some indian fans think india will even win vs pak easily, talk about over confidence, india are good side and may even win vs pak, but easy is the last word to say that, i would say just bring it on even in your own den, we have best record in india i guess as foreign team and we play even better in india than in our home, so hold your horses my indian friends, it's one thing to smash rashid and other to smash yasir on a turner. And if india think they have got better players of spin than yk, misbah and sarfraz, then it's useless to even argue with such a deluded lot.
 
Ind v PK would be a cracker, Ind would def have the edge but PK normally raise their game against Ind in Tests, hence the good record.
 
Not the best. But well on course to become the hungriest team ever. Typically Indians would win one test go after draws in the remaining tests.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Not the best. But well on course to become the hungriest team ever. Typically Indians would win one test go after draws in the remaining tests.
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The pitches back then dictated that tactic. Now we're laying down the turners, so we can go for the whitewash more often than not.
 
Varun said:
The pitches back then dictated that tactic. Now we're laying down the turners, so we can go for the whitewash more often than not.
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Kohli even at Adelaide went after win. He even mildly took a dig at Dhoni's "endless process without returns" when Dhoni was at the helm. He has infused a winning culture .
 
Not by any stretch. They are more hungry to win for sure, but not the best team.
 
This team has the best bowling attack ever for home conditions.. and their batting has shown in the recent series they can score big.. they also bat very deep with guys like Ashwin, Yadav and Jadeja batting in which also affords them 5 bowler strategy

So yes to me they are probably the most dangerous unit India has assambled at home
 
At home they are best , the key has been Ashwin batting .

That has allowed India to play 5 specialist bowlers , and since all can bat , it has not affected the batting balance. India lucky to have such bowlers who can bat.

At home they can easily win most games with this team , making rank turners.
 
This Indian team has 3 of the best players against short balls. India's problem is their bowlers who don't do well with Duke and Kookaburra balls as much as SG balls. Ashwin did okay in SL with kookaburra ball. But with less pronounced seam his variations will not be that effective. So he has to find ways. I am sure he will .
 
IMO 2008 team that defeated Australia at home, and won away in England, NZ, WI was better. They also drew in RSA. Kumble retired during 2008 home series.

Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Tendulkar
VVS
Ganguly
Dhoni
Kumble/Mishra
Harbhajan
Zaheer
Sreesanth/Ishant
 
I had been following the overseas tours closely 2 years back and it was quite apparent that the batting was very promising. India had a bunch of green but talented batsmen who had the best part of their careers in front of them. However it's still a world away from a batting order of Sehwag, Gambhir, Dravid, Sachin, Laxman, Ganguly et al. But what sets the current side apart is that this is our greatest ever lower order. Earlier India used to be top heavy in the top 6 but then didn't account for much after that. But the current team probably bats till no.10 and the batting depth is staggering.

The team is very solid with the inclusion of Nair. Pant is a highly talented lad who can play the Gilchrist role for India. However he needs to improve his glovework. If only we have pacers who could pick 20 wickets consistently overseas, then it would be a complete team.
 
Varun said:
As usual, people getting carried away with what is going on in front of them.

Doesn't come close to this:

Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman
Ganguly
Dhoni
Kumble
Harbhajan
Zaheer
Nehra
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lol averaged 42 in tests.
 
transitional said:
IMO 2008 team that defeated Australia at home, and won away in England, NZ, WI was better. They also drew in RSA. Kumble retired during 2008 home series.

Sehwag
Gambhir
Dravid
Tendulkar
VVS
Ganguly
Dhoni
Kumble/Mishra
Harbhajan
Zaheer
Sreesanth/Ishant
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this seems to be the most reasonable pick. problem is- zaheer was injured a lot, sreesanth absolutely mediocre, ishant very young and also mediocre. no balance to the side.

I would say this current Indian team is the best because this is the most rounded Indian team i have ever seen. No department is a limiting factor and all contribute. Our pace attack finally has depth and is made up of four capable bowlers. our spin trio are all rounders, which you couldn't say of kumble and bhajji, and the batting also has plenty of depth.

whether they will deliver abroad is a different matter but for the above reasons I am very optimistic.
 
I would say the 1986 side that won 0-2 in England were the best I have seen.
 
Varun said:
I admit I was struggling by the time I got to the #11. :91:

Didn't want to put Srinath in there since he never played together with Dhoni, for example.
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see that's what i mean. our pace department as a whole has been garbage. not this current team. Shami will overtake both khan and srinath. kumar is a fine swing bowler and a mature Ishant/Yadav give India good 3rd/4rth options.

For me a real team has to be strong everywhere. Or put differently, they should not have glaring weaknesses in one department.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Not the best, but this is a very special Indian team. Winning 4-0 on these tracks despite losing 4 tosses and key players is extraordinary.
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This was the best thing about this series. Gave no excuses to opposition fans. Had DRS, lost tosses, won matches even after conceding more than 400 in the first inning twice.
 
Not by a stretch. Their team from 07'-10' was much better.
And while India may trash every team at home they have some notable flaws that are bound to be exposed in away conditions. Most notably that their pacers are not good. Shami and Kumar are mediocre at best, the rest are all poor. And I wouldn't expect players like Karun Nair to hit triple tons at Durban or Brisbane either.
They may be No.1 but I wouldn't consider them to be the best team in Test cricket till they win or atleast draw series in RSA, Australia and England.
 
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
This was the best thing about this series. Gave no excuses to opposition fans. Had DRS, lost tosses, won matches even after conceding more than 400 in the first inning twice.
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Including "India dishes out only dust-bowl" as well,It was like shutting down one excuse after the other for the English team.
 
In my opinion this Indian team is going to match the great West Indian team of the 80s and Australians of the late 90s and early 00's.
 
KhalidRafi said:
Not by a stretch. Their team from 07'-10' was much better.
And while India may trash every team at home they have some notable flaws that are bound to be exposed in away conditions. Most notably that their pacers are not good. Shami and Kumar are mediocre at best, the rest are all poor. And I wouldn't expect players like Karun Nair to hit triple tons at Durban or Brisbane either.
They may be No.1 but I wouldn't consider them to be the best team in Test cricket till they win or atleast draw series in RSA, Australia and England.
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Eng/Aus/SA - U mean RSA and Aus and England or one of those?

Players like Karun Nair - How many Asian players do you think have hit a triple ton in Durban or Brisbane? Name one? Is that a blanket statement? Who are other players besides Karun Nair?

Most notably that their pacers are not good. Shami and Kumar are mediocre - While i may not agree or disagree, may I ask whether you have any facts to back that up or just going by hearsay. FYI Shami took 10 wickets at 25 in 3 tests in a series where Jummi averaged 53, Woakes averaged 81 and no other bowler averaged 30. And while u are at it, which Asian pacer you reckon is doing well these days?

I am all ears.
 
Kohli really has a potential to carve his name.. Good away series in SA, Eng or Australia as a captain and Kohli mania can replace Sachin mania..

Current team has a potential if they can build their pace attack.. Shami brings a lot of value to bowling and their batting looks much more assured than when they toured England last time.
 
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KhalidRafi said:
Not by a stretch. Their team from 07'-10' was much better.
And while India may trash every team at home they have some notable flaws that are bound to be exposed in away conditions. Most notably that their pacers are not good. Shami and Kumar are mediocre at best, the rest are all poor. And I wouldn't expect players like Karun Nair to hit triple tons at Durban or Brisbane either.
They may be No.1 but I wouldn't consider them to be the best team in Test cricket till they win or atleast draw series in RSA, Australia and England.
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lol you clearly haven't been watching India carefully. i suggest you head over to cricinfo for a while. Shami has very similar figures to Amir. compare both ODIs and tests. Kumar has a lower test average than any current india or pakistan bowler.
 
I am sorry to say, posters can disagree & I respect their wisdom - forget about the teams mentioned here, IND was comfortably 6th team in Test world after WI, PAK, ENG, AUS & NZ in mid to late 80s towards 90s with only SRL behind - that team of of Sunny, Krish, Azhar, Dulip, Jimmy, Shastri, Kapil, Kirmani, Binney, Yadav & Maninder will beat this lot by clear margin of 2 or more Tests in India & out side IND, it'll be embarrassment.

Test cricket is at it's lowest, at least since Boer war of 1905 (before that, SAF was really poor), hence we are watching modern greats banging each other from left, right & centre at home. It's a moot discussion if JB Hobbs was better than Murali Bijay or not, because the world is moving, but what Poms have done against India this time, it restores my respect for Goochi, Gat, Stuwie & Athers for their show against Shane, Qadir, Murali & Kumble. I do praise Ash & Jad lot, but when I think that these 2 bowlers are picking 11 wickets/Test at 25 (14 wickets/Test at 20 in India), I can only feel pity on modern batting greats, who should keep a low profile regarding their professional pride.

The harsh realization for me is that, Bangladesh hasn't progressed much, in fact may be has gone backward in longer game from 70s/80s/90s ............
 
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EliteCynical said:
Eng/Aus/SA - U mean RSA and Aus and England or one of those?

Players like Karun Nair - How many Asian players do you think have hit a triple ton in Durban or Brisbane? Name one? Is that a blanket statement? Who are other players besides Karun Nair?

Most notably that their pacers are not good. Shami and Kumar are mediocre - While i may not agree or disagree, may I ask whether you have any facts to back that up or just going by hearsay. FYI Shami took 10 wickets at 25 in 3 tests in a series where Jummi averaged 53, Woakes averaged 81 and no other bowler averaged 30. And while u are at it, which Asian pacer you reckon is doing well these days?

I am all ears.
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I mean all three.

Lol. That wasn't a literal statement. I'm saying rookie Indian players won't have the luxury of just walking out on their home pitch and hitting a triple ton. Their technique will be tested to the fullest in those conditions.

I'm not saying there's any great Asian fast-bowler atm. But I would rank Amir and Wahab as better bowlers than Shami. They can pick wickets in UAE and they did fairly well in England too. But again, I'm not saying they're particularly great or world-class. However I do personally consider them to be better than the Indian pace line-up.
 
KhalidRafi said:
I mean all three.

Lol. That wasn't a literal statement. I'm saying rookie Indian players won't have the luxury of just walking out on their home pitch and hitting a triple ton. Their technique will be tested to the fullest in those conditions.

I'm not saying there's any great Asian fast-bowler atm. But I would rank Amir and Wahab as better bowlers than Shami. They can pick wickets in UAE and they did fairly well in England too. But again, I'm not saying they're particularly great or world-class. However I do personally consider them to be better than the Indian pace line-up.
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That's your opinion, and a flawed one too. Right now, the likes of Shami, Bhuvi, Umesh and Ishant are well above your pace attack.
 
KhalidRafi said:
I mean all three.

Lol. That wasn't a literal statement. I'm saying rookie Indian players won't have the luxury of just walking out on their home pitch and hitting a triple ton. Their technique will be tested to the fullest in those conditions.

I'm not saying there's any great Asian fast-bowler atm. But I would rank Amir and Wahab as better bowlers than Shami. They can pick wickets in UAE and they did fairly well in England too. But again, I'm not saying they're particularly great or world-class. However I do personally consider them to be better than the Indian pace line-up.
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wahab is average. i would only take him ahead of ishant from our lineup, and its hard to say whether it is a big upgrade. all our pacers are better than rahat.
 
Zak_Fan said:
That's your opinion, and a flawed one too. Right now, the likes of Shami, Bhuvi, Umesh and Ishant are well above your pace attack.
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Lol dreams.

Umesh, Bhuvi and Shami are only doing well because the onus is not on them to take wickets and they are playing a support role to star spinners.

They will do jack once they are actually expected to take the majority of wickets

It's almost touching though. Despite so many false hopes such as this before you still think it will be different when these guys go on overseas tours again.
 
Zak_Fan said:
That's your opinion, and a flawed one too. Right now, the likes of Shami, Bhuvi, Umesh and Ishant are well above your pace attack.
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Hahahah I don't know what you're on mentioning Ishant Sharma in the same breath as any pace bowler in the world. He's utterly trash and has been ever since he started playing. Yadav isn't even close to Amir and Wahab.
Kumar and Shami are close but they aren't better.
 
KhalidRafi said:
Hahahah I don't know what you're on mentioning Ishant Sharma in the same breath as any pace bowler in the world. He's utterly trash and has been ever since he started playing. Yadav isn't even close to Amir and Wahab.
Kumar and Shami are close but they aren't better.
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no. rahat ali is trash
 
KhalidRafi said:
Hahahah I don't know what you're on mentioning Ishant Sharma in the same breath as any pace bowler in the world. He's utterly trash and has been ever since he started playing. Yadav isn't even close to Amir and Wahab.
Kumar and Shami are close but they aren't better.
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Clearly, you have been out of touch with Cricket for last many years. Ishant has been far superior to Wahab for such a long time now. As for Shami, he too is bowling at a totally different level compared to your Amir.

It would help if you actually watch some Cricket rather than going by bowling stereotypes.
 
FlickedOffHips said:
wahab is average. i would only take him ahead of ishant from our lineup, and its hard to say whether it is a big upgrade. all our pacers are better than rahat.
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Wahab may be average but I fail to understand what makes you think he isn't better than the Indian pacers.
 
KhalidRafi said:
Wahab may be average but I fail to understand what makes you think he isn't better than the Indian pacers.
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statistics my son. you know when i told you to look up Kumar's and shami's stats and compare it to the pakistani bowler? there was a reason...
 
Slog said:
Lol dreams.

Umesh, Bhuvi and Shami are only doing well because the onus is not on them to take wickets and they are playing a support role to star spinners.

They will do jack once they are actually expected to take the majority of wickets

It's almost touching though. Despite so many false hopes such as this before you still think it will be different when these guys go on overseas tours again.
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You are too deluded about your pace attack. The only Pakistani pacer who would make it to Indian Test XI is Amir. And even here, he will be second to Shami.
 
Zak_Fan said:
You are too deluded about your pace attack. The only Pakistani pacer who would make it to Indian Test XI is Amir. And even here, he will be second to Shami.
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Shami or whoever pacer you have these days will have disappeared in Five years. Or having another mediocre career. That is destiny of Indian pacers
 
Slog said:
Shami or whoever pacer you have these days will have disappeared in Five years. Or having another mediocre career. That is destiny of Indian pacers
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Hahah I remember when Irfan Pathan was being hailed as the 'next' Sultan of Swing. How well his career turned out...
Could spend all day listing India's revolving door of seamers. Their entire bowling works on the basis of Ashwin and Jadeja -- to a certain extent. Seamers are just there to pick up the pieces.
 
FlickedOffHips said:
statistics my son. you know when i told you to look up Kumar's and shami's stats and compare it to the pakistani bowler? there was a reason...
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Not everything is based on stats. The conditions you play in and the teams you play against are also major factors. Unlike India, Pakistan don't get to play 18 test home seasons at home either.
 
Robert said:
I would say the 1986 side that won 0-2 in England were the best I have seen.
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That was an okay team. They exploited swinging conditions. Binny, Madanlal, Kapil, Chetan sharma. Only Vengsarkar showed up in the first two tests.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Clearly, you have been out of touch with Cricket for last many years. Ishant has been far superior to Wahab for such a long time now. As for Shami, he too is bowling at a totally different level compared to your Amir.

It would help if you actually watch some Cricket rather than going by bowling stereotypes.
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Ishant hasn't done anything in the last year. He has like 11 wickets in 10 Test matches this year. And he didn't do anything in the series against South Africa last year either.

Yeah, those two wicket hauls sure are something special. You're speaking as if Shami is an unplayable bowler. I've seen him bowl against England, he was nothing special. Like all Indian pacers he is just there to pick up the pieces after Ashwin has done all the work.
 
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KhalidRafi said:
Not everything is based on stats. The conditions you play in and the teams you play against are also major factors. Unlike India, Pakistan don't get to play 18 test home seasons at home either.
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ah you see, unlike you, we gave a very healthy regard for stats because we know they are hard to manipulate.
also, the conditions india play in are the opposite of seamer friendly.
stats are the bottom line.
 
India will definitely need another quality pacer.. Current lot are not good enough to take 20 wickets in SA/ ENg/ Aus..
 
FlickedOffHips said:
ah you see, unlike you, we gave a very healthy regard for stats because we know they are hard to manipulate.
also, the conditions india play in are the opposite of seamer friendly.
stats are the bottom line.
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Really? and what stats might those be? Shami is just barely above Wahab average-wise and his average isn't better than Amir. How about the stat he averaged 73 in England and picked up 5 wickets in 5 innings?
And btw your seamers' record isn't great in India either. They can maintain a decent by picking up 2-3 wickets everytime because spinners have done most of the hard-work. Your pacers don't have the job of leading the bowling attack.
 
Chrish said:
India will definitely need another quality pacer.. Current lot are not good enough to take 20 wickets in SA/ ENg/ Aus..
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there is no other on the horizon. these 4 will have to do. they don't have to be outstanding, just decent enough to not be the limiting factor which they are WELL capable off. our batting and spinning all rounders will have have to do the rest.
 
Chrish said:
India will definitely need another quality pacer.. Current lot are not good enough to take 20 wickets in SA/ ENg/ Aus..
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They are good enough to take 20 wickets abroad, but only on helpful pitches.

Even when we were drawing/winning series abroad between 07-11, our modus operandi was simple - bowl the opposition batsmen out on helpful surfaces for not too big scores, then our batting will do the rest. If pitch did not have enough juice, bat the opposition out of the game. If either of the two didnt happen, we drew.

But, yeah, we do need a skilled pacer who can bowl 140k and also use his brains at the same time.
 
KhalidRafi said:
Really? and what stats might those be? Shami is just barely above Wahab average-wise and his average isn't better than Amir. How about the stat he averaged 73 in England and picked up 5 wickets in 5 innings?
And btw your seamers' record isn't great in India either. They can maintain a decent by picking up 2-3 wickets everytime because spinners have done most of the hard-work. Your pacers don't have the job of leading the bowling attack.
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shami's combined odi and test averages are same as amir. his strike rate is much lower in tests too. what averages are you looking at?

individual series stats are less reliable. look over the long term e.g. career.

the rest of your argument is just a point-of-view.
 
Sidilicious said:
They are good enough to take 20 wickets abroad, but only on helpful pitches.

Even when we were drawing/winning series abroad between 07-11, our modus operandi was simple - bowl the opposition batsmen out on helpful surfaces for not too big scores, then our batting will do the rest. If pitch did not have enough juice, bat the opposition out of the game. If either of the two didnt happen, we drew.

But, yeah, we do need a skilled pacer who can bowl 140k and also use his brains at the same time.
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have you never seen shami bowl? yadav when he bowls well( which is fairly often these days) also does the same.
 
Sidilicious said:
They are good enough to take 20 wickets abroad, but only on helpful pitches.

Even when we were drawing/winning series abroad between 07-11, our modus operandi was simple - bowl the opposition batsmen out on helpful surfaces for not too big scores, then our batting will do the rest. If pitch did not have enough juice, bat the opposition out of the game. If either of the two didnt happen, we drew.

But, yeah, we do need a skilled pacer who can bowl 140k and also use his brains at the same time.
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Yeah don't see them ending well on Australian wickets in particular
 
FlickedOffHips said:
have you never seen shami bowl? yadav when he bowls well( which is fairly often these days) also does the same.
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Again, I will not take their performances from matches an India, and expect them to perform similarly abroad. In India, these guys have the luxury of bowling a 3-4 over spell every session and letting the spinners take charge. The spinners generally keep it tight so there is not a lot of pressure on these guys.

When we tour abroad, the onus will be on Shami and Umesh to take wickets. Not on Ash and Jaddu. If Shami and Umesh start performing abroad on a regular basis, then I would classify them as genuine class. For that we would need 3 pacers to be able to bowl 6-7 over spells every session, or even twice a session and still keep things tight and pick wickets. When they start doing this, then we could classify them in that category.

If our bowlers do fulfil the potential they have shown then Shami/Yadav/Ishant/Bhuvi in Tests and Shami/Umesh/Bumrah/Pandya/Varun in LOIs will form a decent line up.
 
Sidilicious said:
Again, I will not take their performances from matches an India, and expect them to perform similarly abroad. In India, these guys have the luxury of bowling a 3-4 over spell every session and letting the spinners take charge. The spinners generally keep it tight so there is not a lot of pressure on these guys.

When we tour abroad, the onus will be on Shami and Umesh to take wickets. Not on Ash and Jaddu. If Shami and Umesh start performing abroad on a regular basis, then I would classify them as genuine class. For that we would need 3 pacers to be able to bowl 6-7 over spells every session, or even twice a session and still keep things tight and pick wickets. When they start doing this, then we could classify them in that category.

If our bowlers do fulfil the potential they have shown then Shami/Yadav/Ishant/Bhuvi in Tests and Shami/Umesh/Bumrah/Pandya/Varun in LOIs will form a decent line up.
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good points. but i'll tell you this. Shami and Kumar are already there. 6-7 over sessions- piece of cake. sharma and yadav need to develop in this area.
pandya is the other wildcard. he's bowling 140 now but still far too raw, let's see how he comes along. varun aaron is trash. Bumrah- again very raw, not too sure what to think yet.
 
Sidilicious said:
Not at all. But luckily for us, Aus have been producing roads. So we hopefully wont be whitewashed for a while now.
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At this stage they should aim higher than not being whitewashed. Series win or draw at the very least would be nice
 
KhalidRafi said:
I mean all three.
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Ok, let me know one Asian team which has won or drawn series in all three countries. India

I mean all three.
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Lol. That wasn't a literal statement. I'm saying rookie Indian players won't have the luxury of just walking out on their home pitch and hitting a triple ton. Their technique will be tested to the fullest in those conditions.

I get it. Just that when Azhar got a triple, none of us said anything? then why this attitude? Triple is a triple..Applaud and move on. You would anyway not see too many triples abroad by an asian.And FYI Rahane has a 100 in all countries, Kohli scored 700 runs in Aus last, Rahul has a 100 in Aus. So if you are assuming that Indians lack technique, then I am sorry to say you are wrong in your assessment.

But I would rank Amir and Wahab as better bowlers than Shami. They can pick wickets in UAE and they did fairly well in England too. But again, I'm not saying they're particularly great or world-class. However I do personally consider them to be better than the Indian pace line-up.
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I let you be the judge. I for one cannot make a decision as of now, but if you are sure Shami is no better, then I take your word.

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Good lucl.
 
FlickedOffHips said:
good points. but i'll tell you this. Shami and Kumar are already there. 6-7 over sessions- piece of cake. sharma and yadav need to develop in this area.
pandya is the other wildcard. he's bowling 140 now but still far too raw, let's see how he comes along. varun aaron is trash. Bumrah- again very raw, not too sure what to think yet.
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Lets hope you are right about Shami and Bhuvi.

For now, lets just hope for another 5 test victories at home in a row.
 
The potential is there but a team with Sehwag, Tendulkar, Dravid, VVS, Kumble, and Zaheer was much stronger.
 
Getting sick of this home season tbh.. it's becoming too predictable

what is the schedule like next year apart from Aus series?
 
EliteCynical said:
Ok, let me know one Asian team which has won or drawn series in all three countries. India


Lol. That wasn't a literal statement. I'm saying rookie Indian players won't have the luxury of just walking out on their home pitch and hitting a triple ton. Their technique will be tested to the fullest in those conditions.

I get it. Just that when Azhar got a triple, none of us said anything? then why this attitude? Triple is a triple..Applaud and move on. You would anyway not see too many triples abroad by an asian.And FYI Rahane has a 100 in all countries, Kohli scored 700 runs in Aus last, Rahul has a 100 in Aus. So if you are assuming that Indians lack technique, then I am sorry to say you are wrong in your assessment.



I let you be the judge. I for one cannot make a decision as of now, but if you are sure Shami is no better, then I take your word.

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I can't, because there is none. Which further makes my point that there is no one team that can be comfortably labelled as the best test side.

You are really missing the point I'm trying to make. I'm not taking anything away from Nair. Getting a triple ton is a big achievement, he deserves the praise. I'm merely saying that it will be harder scoring runs in those countries for him. I'm not even saying Indians lack technique. I'm just saying a number of their newer batsmen are just yet to prove themselves in overseas conditions, which test you to the fullest.

Not gonna argue on the Shami/Wahab/Amir debate again. I've made my point why I consider those two to be better than him. I don't know why you guys keep bringing stats. There are other factors that come into play while comparing them too.
 
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Really? and what stats might those be? Shami is just barely above Wahab average-wise and his average isn't better than Amir. How about the stat he averaged 73 in England and picked up 5 wickets in 5 innings?
And btw your seamers' record isn't great in India either. They can maintain a decent by picking up 2-3 wickets everytime because spinners have done most of the hard-work. Your pacers don't have the job of leading the bowling attack.
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Amir is the best pacer in Asia and is better than Shami, unless Shami delivers in the next tour abroad and does better than Amir.

But Wahab by no means is better than Shami. In the last few years, Wahab has been a spray gun and has only bowled a handful of great spells. If anything, I will equate Wahab to Umesh Yadav. Though Yadav seems to be becoming less of a spray gun now.

As for Shami, its clear you have not followed him. He might have been poor in England, but since then most of the matches or series he has played, he has delivered for India. Wahab might have a higher ceiling, but he hasnt achieved enough in the last 6 years of playing international cricket.
 
This Indian team can go down as one of there best with wins in Australia,England, and South Africa.
 
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