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Is Virat Kohli officially the biggest choker in world cricket?

Haters are gonna hate - Virat has won many big matches for India but I don’t expect the OP to approach this objectively ... probably a pak cricket fan with a myopic view of the Indian team
 
He's done well in T20 World Cup final against Sri Lanka in 2014 and semi-final against West Indies in 2016. In the ODI tournaments, not so much.

The final against Pakistan was a major choke though. He got a life and then got out next ball.
 
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He has been a disappointment during crucial matches far too many times for a champion batsman.
 
Kohli is on a massive decline. He is 32 already and max 3 years of cricket left on him. I hope he dont drag his career after 2023 WC and retire respectfully unlike Dhoni.
 
He just flopped today, don’t think it was a choke.

He wanted to open and dominate from the front. Very soft dismissal
 
IPL is not the pinnacle of T20 cricket. :broad

Kohli averages 86.33 in T20 WC matches and 77.00 in T20 WC knockout matches.
 
He is not a choker but certainly a bit overrated as limited overs cricketer and is a mediocre captain as well.
 
Ab Fan said:
He is not a choker but certainly a bit overrated as limited overs cricketer and is a mediocre captain as well.
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Kane breaking Virat's heart again.

It's ground hog day every time he faces Kane in a big game.

Kane is definitely proving himself to be the second best big game player of the big 4 by far.

I'd have Smith first then Kane. Kohli and Root a distant 3rd and 4th.
 
Ab Fan said:
He is not a choker but certainly a bit overrated as limited overs cricketer and is a mediocre captain as well.
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I wouldn’t say overrated in limited overs, he’s probably the best limited overs player of all time behind sir Vivian.

Captaincy wise you may be right.
 
Aman said:
Kane breaking Virat's heart again.

It's ground hog day every time he faces Kane in a big game.

Kane is definitely proving himself to be the second best big game player of the big 4 by far.

I'd have Smith first then Kane. Kohli and Root a distant 3rd and 4th.
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Kane is just way smarter and a far better captain. Respect.

Kohli is still a gun T20 and test player. He does choke in odi's though in KO stages albeit being a great player.
 
Agree with Gambhir. After 8 seasons of disappointment, RCB should now look beyond Kohli.
 
Kohli Winning tournaments:
Beta tumse na ho payega
 
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Haven't watched the IPL other than the Tewatia games and a couple Mumbai ones when they got exciting. But turned up for RCB's last two games, gunning for RCB's demise even though they are my city team. Terrible captain. Chopping changing the order as usual. Who even picks Moeen Ali in their team anymore :))

But questioning Kohli the batsman is a joke. If they chased yesterday, he would have been a different beast. That was the first thing that gave me hope yesterday - that they were batting first :)
 
Gautam Gambhir, who has won two IPL titles as captain, has slammed Royal Challengers Bangalore skipper Virat Kohli for not delivering for 8 long years now. Gambhir has added that he holds nothing against Virat Kohli but it was time for the 32-year-old to raise his hands and take the responsibility of team's title-less run in the Indian Premier League (IPL).

To validate his comments, the former India opener said that Kohli's Chennai Super Kings (CSK) and Mumbai Indians (MI) counterparts, MS Dhoni and Rohit Sharma have been long-standing captains of their teams because of their deliverance. Gambhir asserted tha MI management would have have removed Rohit Sharma from captaincy for a failure of 8 longs years.

"Eight years is a long, long time. Look at what happened to R Ashwin. Two years of captaincy [for the Kings XI Punjab], he couldn't deliver and he was removed. We talk about MS Dhoni, we talk about Rohit Sharma, we talk about Virat Kohli...not at all. Dhoni has won three [IPL] titles, Rohit Sharma has won four titles, and that's the reason they've captained for such a long time because they've delivered. I'm sure if Rohit Sharma wouldn't have delivered for eight years, he would have been removed as well. There should not be different yardsticks for different people.

"The problem and the accountability starts from the top, not from the management nor the support staff, but from the leader. You're the leader, you're the captain. When you get the credit, you should take the criticism as well," Gambhir has told ESPNcricinfo.

"You can keep saying 'we qualified for the playoffs and we deserved to qualify for the playoffs', absolutely not. RCB actually never deserved to qualify for the playoffs. If you see the last four or five games, and even that one Super Over against Mumbai Indians, they were very fortunate that Navdeep Saini bowled that over brilliantly. Otherwise they didn't have a great season. From the batting point of view and the bowling.

"Eight years is a long time. It's not that Kohli isn't experienced. He captains India, he captains whichever team he plays for, but you've got to give results, you've got to deliver. Sport is all about delivering."

"There was so much talk about Virat Kohli opening the batting, if you wanted to open the batting, you should have done that right from the start of the tournament. And then they should have had a squad, probably if Virat wanted to open, they should have picked a middle-order batter in the auction. But again it was all about Virat and AB [de Villiers]," he said.
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Sage words from Gambhir. You don't open for the first time in a tournament and that too in a knockout game.
 
Crediting Williamson for yesterday's win is futile. SRH had it in bag the moment they restricted RCB to a way below par total.
 
Gam gir as usual doing some much needed straight talking. The Kohli PR will be gunning for him from now on but what he has said is absolutely correct. 8 years as IPL captain, no titles, 4 years as India LOI captain no titles, below par record overseas as a Test captain.

We cannot go to World T20 with Kohli as a captain. Should have been sacked after 2019 WC.
 
Gambhir with his usual rants taking all his frustration out on Kohli and he has probably picked the best time to do so.
 
pillionrider said:
Haven't watched the IPL other than the Tewatia games and a couple Mumbai ones when they got exciting. But turned up for RCB's last two games, gunning for RCB's demise even though they are my city team. Terrible captain. Chopping changing the order as usual. Who even picks Moeen Ali in their team anymore :))

But questioning Kohli the batsman is a joke. If they chased yesterday, he would have been a different beast. That was the first thing that gave me hope yesterday - that they were batting first :)
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Kohli the IPL batsman is average.

Stat booster baring a rare season or two.

RCB lives and dies by ABD performance.
 
Wait, wait, wait, aren't we told he is the pinnacle of captaincy by some bootlickers here?

Isn't every disappointment attributed to bad luck?

How dare anyone question his credentials with facts, must be a hater...
 
Usman Chadda said:
Wait, wait, wait, aren't we told he is the pinnacle of captaincy by some bootlickers here?

Isn't every disappointment attributed to bad luck?

How dare anyone question his credentials with facts, must be a hater...
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He is one of most successful Test captains of all time. His captaincy is brilliant in that format. However, it is true that his Limited Overs captaincy has not been great, especially when compared to the likes of Dhoni and Rohit in IPL.

He has been unlucky at times but it cannot be bad luck all the time. 8 IPL seasons without a trophy shows that something is missing in his leadership.
 
Mamoon said:
He is one of most successful Test captains of all time. His captaincy is brilliant in that format. However, it is true that his Limited Overs captaincy has not been great, especially when compared to the likes of Dhoni and Rohit in IPL.

He has been unlucky at times but it cannot be bad luck all the time. 8 IPL seasons without a trophy shows that something is missing in his leadership.
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Has not been great?

Has been god awful pathetic.

You sound like supporters of political parties defending their supreme leader.

Call a spade a spade Mamoon ji.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Has not been great?

Has been god awful pathetic.

You sound like supporters of political parties defending their supreme leader.

Call a spade a spade Mamoon ji.
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I wont call his LOI captaincy pathetic though. He took us in Finals of CT 2017, Semi Finals on 2019 WC, won us the ODI series in SA. Note, I am discounting all the home JAMODI wins.

He just mess it up under pressure in knock out matches bcoz he cant keep his emotions in check like choosing to bowl 1st in sunny Oval in CT finals or sending Dhoni at no.7 in semo finals etc. Also, Kohli is touch unlucky captain compare to MSD. Dont forget 2 ICC titles which MS won (T20 finals 2007 and CT 2013) were due to sheer luck rather than some great captaincy by Thala.

Virat is 100 times the better test captain than Dhoni but somehow he is not able to replicate it in ODIs. Lets see what he does in next 2 home world cups (2021 T20 WC and ODI WC 2023).
 
Mamoon said:
He is one of most successful Test captains of all time. His captaincy is brilliant in that format. However, it is true that his Limited Overs captaincy has not been great, especially when compared to the likes of Dhoni and Rohit in IPL.

He has been unlucky at times but it cannot be bad luck all the time. 8 IPL seasons without a trophy shows that something is missing in his leadership.
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Not really his test record is boosted by beating mediocre SA and SL at home and whitewashing them
His overseas record is also not better than Ganguly
His major achievement was winning against the weakest AUS team in history when they were mentally at their lowest.
 
Rajdeep said:
I wont call his LOI captaincy pathetic though. He took us in Finals of CT 2017, Semi Finals on 2019 WC, won us the ODI series in SA. Note, I am discounting all the home JAMODI wins.

He just mess it up under pressure in knock out matches bcoz he cant keep his emotions in check like choosing to bowl 1st in sunny Oval in CT finals or sending Dhoni at no.7 in semo finals etc. Also, Kohli is touch unlucky captain compare to MSD. Dont forget 2 ICC titles which MS won (T20 finals 2007 and CT 2013) were due to sheer luck rather than some great captaincy by Thala.

Virat is 100 times the better test captain than Dhoni but somehow he is not able to replicate it in ODIs. Lets see what he does in next 2 home world cups (2021 T20 WC and ODI WC 2023).
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Virat has a much better bowling attack at his disposal than Dhoni ever did. He still managed to get railroaded by NZ away.
 
Rajdeep said:
I wont call his LOI captaincy pathetic though. He took us in Finals of CT 2017, Semi Finals on 2019 WC, won us the ODI series in SA. Note, I am discounting all the home JAMODI wins.

He just mess it up under pressure in knock out matches bcoz he cant keep his emotions in check like choosing to bowl 1st in sunny Oval in CT finals or sending Dhoni at no.7 in semo finals etc. Also, Kohli is touch unlucky captain compare to MSD. Dont forget 2 ICC titles which MS won (T20 finals 2007 and CT 2013) were due to sheer luck rather than some great captaincy by Thala.

Virat is 100 times the better test captain than Dhoni but somehow he is not able to replicate it in ODIs. Lets see what he does in next 2 home world cups (2021 T20 WC and ODI WC 2023).
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Tactically he has been pathetic.

Trust me, been watching him for years now. He's hopeless.

We reached finals on autopilot. He barely had to do anything with us racking up the scores.

By the way, both knockouts he dropped wicket taker Shami and duly got screwed.

That's just one of the many instances.

Check how he leads his IPL franchise. There he has the same resources as everyone else... Maybe a bit more considering rcb is one of the more affluent franchises... Yet his decision making across the years has been poor.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Virat has a much better bowling attack at his disposal than Dhoni ever did. He still managed to get railroaded by NZ away.
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By that token, he won against Aus in Aus which no other Asian captain has done regardless of what resources they had.

Not saying Kohli is the greatest test captain ever but we can't cherry pick stats.
 
We will get to know about Virat's test captaincy after the series vs Australia.

Btw, can anyone tell me how many tosses did he won in last 5 matches which he lost in IPL and how many tosses is he going to win in Australia? :yk

I am sure sooner Shastri Ji will come up with a statement that if we had won more tosses, our team would have legacy of the greatest West Indies and Australian teams.
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
Not really his test record is boosted by beating mediocre SA and SL at home and whitewashing them
His overseas record is also not better than Ganguly
His major achievement was winning against the weakest AUS team in history when they were mentally at their lowest.
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haha that same so called weakest australina team would butcher every other team apart from india at home. No team is weak at home.

australia had players from the shield cricket that were dominating in their home conditions and they got a chance to play in test cricket. In the past india was never beaten when they were at full strength either back in 04 aussies. No one is discounting that win are they?

Home team will always have home talents that excel in home conditions unless the team has vastly declined due to old age etc.

virat's india also beat the cheating scums at home in 2017 as well when he was in the worst form of his life. Not to mention india dont even prepare for tests by playing first class matches as their schedule is far more rigorous than the aussies.

virat's india would obliterate any team from any era at home. They just need to prove their worth in away conditions by preparing well.
 
Hitman said:
:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: He is the greatest ODI batsman the game has ever seen. KING Kohli.
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On a serious note, do you consider him as better odi batsman than Sachin? I am interested to know what Indian posters think about this, specially those who witnessed both of them at their pomp.
 
VForVendetta said:
On a serious note, do you consider him as better odi batsman than Sachin? I am interested to know what Indian posters think about this, specially those who witnessed both of them at their pomp.
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For me, they are pretty much equal. Of course the change in rules mean better average and more centuries in fewer innings.
 
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VForVendetta said:
On a serious note, do you consider him as better odi batsman than Sachin? I am interested to know what Indian posters think about this, specially those who witnessed both of them at their pomp.
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Kohli has better game awareness and rr maintainance then Sachin. He's defo a better chaser.

Sachin is much much superior if India batted first.
 
mominsaigol said:
Kohli has better game awareness and rr maintainance then Sachin. He's defo a better chaser.

Sachin is much much superior if India batted first.
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One thing.. In Sachin’s time whole team was depend on him heavily… I remember one match where India was batting 2nd and due to Sachin’s amazing batting target was just 17 runs away, but sachin got out and remaining 5 batters couldn’t get those runs…. Then u can’t blame sachin. In Virat’s case team are/were strong batting teams, there he is able to bat without pressure
 
globetrotter said:
One thing.. In Sachin’s time whole team was depend on him heavily… I remember one match where India was batting 2nd and due to Sachin’s amazing batting target was just 17 runs away, but sachin got out and remaining 5 batters couldn’t get those runs…. Then u can’t blame sachin. In Virat’s case team are/were strong batting teams, there he is able to bat without pressure
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Chennai Test, 1999. India was playing against Pakistan.
 
mominsaigol said:
Kohli has better game awareness and rr maintainance then Sachin. He's defo a better chaser.

Sachin is much much superior if India batted first.
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Good points. I don't think Sachin had less game awareness than Kohli. It's just the man was way too obsessed & selfish for milestones which is why at times his innings pacing would come off tone deaf. Also for at least first 10 years of his career he was a lone warrior. Kohli never had to bear the entire lineup on his own. He always had someone of close enough caliber as dance partners.
 
VForVendetta said:
Good points. I don't think Sachin had less game awareness than Kohli. It's just the man was way too obsessed & selfish for milestones which is why at times his innings pacing would come off tone deaf. Also for at least first 10 years of his career he was a lone warrior. Kohli never had to bear the entire lineup on his own. He always had someone of close enough caliber as dance partners.
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Fair
 
Hitman said:
For me, they are pretty much equal. Of course the change in rules mean better average and more centuries in fewer innings.

This is what Sanath Jayasuriya tweeted few hours ago regarding the topic of change in rules in ODI cricket -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1724491706681483686
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I want to take nothing away from Kohli the odi batter as he indeed is one of the rare gems of this sport. But I just can't put him over the old man. The kind of goat level bowlers he had to deal with, the less friendly batting rules, the burden of entire team at least up until 99; when considering all of these Sachin will remain ahead in my eyes. Even though I enjoyed Kohli more because the man was less selfish & in general wasn't obsessed with milestones
 
Choking his way to a World Cup.

I know there are people hoping SOMEHOW he can FAIL in the final and India lose the World Cup so they can post again.

The problem is, they are many people hoping Novak Djokovic loses when he steps out on tennis court.

But because he is that good, he keeps winning Slams.

Kohli will make sure no one will question his greatness again.

That I am sure of.
 
VForVendetta said:
On a serious note, do you consider him as better odi batsman than Sachin? I am interested to know what Indian posters think about this, specially those who witnessed both of them at their pomp.
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It's challenging to compare the two, but I'll give it a shot (Your Mileage May Vary).

Sachin's technique was impeccable, showcasing a rich array of textbook shots in his arsenal. He was a fantastic runner, capable of executing cuts, pulls, sweeps, and lofts—virtually any shot you could name, he mastered.

For many Indian cricket fans who followed the game since the early '90s, Sachin stood as the bulwark between an improbable Indian victory and a meek surrender. In his prime, witnessing Sachin ply his trade against any opposition, on any pitch, was an absolute delight. The sheer joy of watching him commence an attacking inning remains incomparable for me.

However, Sachin played in a team (until the early 2000s, when he had to adapt a slightly new style/approach to his batting) that lacked the kind of batting prowess, bowling strength, or fielding support that Kohli enjoyed and continues to have. He also had to share the field with a few controversial characters in the playing eleven, names I'd rather omit here (to avoid any potential issues with our ever-friendly? moderators).

On the flip side, Kohli epitomizes the post-noughties India and the global cricketing landscape. He emerged as the ultimate game-changer for us, exhibiting relentless determination and willpower to surpass the odds. While he may not possess the full repertoire of cricketing shots that Sachin did, Kohli compensates with an extraordinary resolve and an uncanny ability to overcome challenges.

Moreover, Kohli's incredible consistency in chasing down targets in ODIs is a testament to his batting prowess. He has a remarkable ability to anchor the innings and finish games, often under intense pressure. His knack for successful run chases has been a defining aspect of his career, setting him apart in the modern era of cricket. While Sachin was a masterful batsman in his own right, Kohli's proficiency in finishing matches is a noteworthy addition to the comparison between these two legends
 
Sachin was a better batsman but kohli has better game awareness while chasing. Sachin used to give a few chances while Kohli is air tight. I think Kohli is a better ODI batsman than Sachin.
 
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