Is Virat Kohli officially the biggest choker in world cricket?

[Aman]

How? If he can't help his team win games against the best teams in their backyard, what exactly is he there for? Bullying mediocre teams at home or in Bangladesh?

The choker is having a great time in the Caribbean though, as expected.

Gotta love seeing the Amla and AB mark labelling other players chokers. At least Kohli has some performances in KO games, what do those two have over longer careers )

 

[Bilal7]

Gotta love seeing the Amla and AB mark labelling other players chokers. At least Kohli has some performances in KO games, what do those two have over longer careers )

I don't really care what Kohli has done in T20s. If we start bringing other formats into it, Amla is a giant compared to the elf than Kohli is. The only ODI KO matches featuring Kohli that come to mind are the 2015 WC semi-final and the 2017 CT final, where Kohli scored a total of six runs in both matches combined. Even a couple of golden ducks would be better for India, given that both came in 300+ chases and Kohli wasted a million deliveries getting those six runs.

Master of the chase, sure.

 

[Aman]

I don't really care what Kohli has done in T20s. If we start bringing other formats into it, Amla is a giant compared to the elf than Kohli is. The only ODI KO matches featuring Kohli that come to mind are the 2015 WC semi-final and the 2017 CT final, where Kohli scored a total of six runs in both matches combined. Even a couple of golden ducks would be better for India, given that both came in 300+ chases and Kohli wasted a million deliveries getting those six runs.

Master of the chase, sure.

AB and Amla don't have anything in ANY ICC tournament )

Kohli played exceptionally well up until facing a mammoth score in the Final.

99.99% of players would have failed in the same situation.

 

[Aman]

Again, Kohli performed in this years CT SF and he performed in the CT Final in 2015.

To call him a choker is asinine and really shows how little posters understand about cricket or their extreme biases.

 

[Bilal7]

AB and Amla don't have anything in ANY ICC tournament )

Kohli played exceptionally well up until facing a mammoth score in the Final.

99.99% of players would have failed in the same situation.

Wrong. Amla and AB both have performances in ODI WCs and CTs. Amla averages 43 in ODI WCs and averaged 50+ in this year's CT whereas AB has a 50+ average in ODI WCs.

 

[Aman]

This is all rich coming from AB and Amla fans, those two have won nothing for their country and have done nothing but choke. Had they performed even ONCE in their long careers at the elite level, it would have been enough. But time and time again those guys have crumbled.

 

[Aman]

Wrong. Amla and AB both have performances in ODI WCs and CTs. Amla averages 43 in ODI WCs and averaged 50+ in this year's CT whereas AB has a 50+ average in ODI WCs.

What have they done in KO games )

Nothing, that's what they've done )

SA have zero trophies with those so called ATGs in the team.

 

[Bilal7]

Again, Kohli performed in this years CT SF and he performed in the CT Final in 2015.

To call him a choker is asinine and really shows how little posters understand about cricket or their extreme biases.

Wrong. There was no 'CT Final' in 2015, because there was no CT in 2015. What did occur that year was the most embarrassing choke-job of all time when Kohli scored a 1(13) chasing 300+ in the semi-finals of the WC.

You must be speaking of the 2013 CT final, where Kohli did perform. However, unsurprisingly, that was a T20 match, not a 50 overs game and Kohli barely scored 40 runs. Do I need to applaud?

This year's CT SF? Against Bangladesh? After the openers did all the work? Again, do I need to applaud?

 

[Bilal7]

What have they done in KO games )

Nothing, that's what they've done )

SA have zero trophies with those so called ATGs in the team.

India has two, no thanks to Kohli who was non-existent during the 2011 edition and was lucky that the final of the 2013 CT was a T20 match.

ABD played a fantastic innings in his 2015 WC semi-final, Kohli wasn't able to breathe for the 13 deliveries that he lasted in his. Who's the choker again?

 

[Sachin136]

Wrong. There was no 'CT Final' in 2015, because there was no CT in 2015. What did occur that year was the most embarrassing choke-job of all time when Kohli scored a 1(13) chasing 300+ in the semi-finals of the WC.

You must be speaking of the 2013 CT final, where Kohli did perform. However, unsurprisingly, that was a T20 match, not a 50 overs game and Kohli barely scored 40 runs. Do I need to applaud?

This year's CT SF? Against Bangladesh? After the openers did all the work? Again, do I need to applaud?

India has two, no thanks to Kohli who was non-existent during the 2011 edition and was lucky that the final of the 2013 CT was a T20 match.

ABD played a fantastic innings in his 2015 WC semi-final, Kohli wasn't able to breathe for the 13 deliveries that he lasted in his. Who's the choker again?

In your first post, you said that Kohli's innings against Bangladesh is not the great because the openers did all the hardwork. But in your second post, you applaud AB's innings in the semifinanl in the 2015 WC. Are you forgetting that in that match, when batting was difficult, AB sent Faf and Rossouw before him to do all the hard work? Despite knowning that it will rain, he demoted himself to #5 and came in to hit some sixes at the end.

 

[Bilal7]

In your first post, you said that Kohli's innings against Bangladesh is not the great because the openers did all the hardwork. But in your second post, you applaud AB's innings in the semifinanl in the 2015 WC. Are you forgetting that in that match, when batting was difficult, AB sent Faf and Rossouw before him to do all the hard work? Despite knowning that it will rain, he demoted himself to #5 and came in to hit some sixes at the end.

AB "hit some sixes" against Boult and company, he didn't pummel some minnows. He's a middle-order batsman, he's not going to bat in an unusual position in the biggest game of his career.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Apart from Ponting I think all ATG batsmen have failed on the big occasion

 

[Hasan123]

Again, Kohli performed in this years CT SF and he performed in the CT Final in 2015.

To call him a choker is asinine and really shows how little posters understand about cricket or their extreme biases.

There's no use in debating with him. Even if Kohli scores in a knockout game he will find an excuse.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Kohli isn't doing himself any favours. Failure after failure in KOs.

 

[sweep_shot]

Kohli is a bilateral bully. He is like South Africa.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Apart from Ponting I think all ATG batsmen have failed on the big occasion

Even Ponting failed in a lot of KOs.

 

[ak619]

I don't really care what Kohli has done in T20s. If we start bringing other formats into it, Amla is a giant compared to the elf than Kohli is. The only ODI KO matches featuring Kohli that come to mind are the 2015 WC semi-final and the 2017 CT final, where Kohli scored a total of six runs in both matches combined. Even a couple of golden ducks would be better for India, given that both came in 300+ chases and Kohli wasted a million deliveries getting those six runs.

Master of the chase, sure.

Try as you want to, the fact of the matter is that CT13 was a truncated ODI match and not a T20I.

All the records of that match went into the ODI record books and not T20I record books.

Repeating a lie a thousand times doesn't make it true. You should know that.

 

[Saj]

I think at the moment the big knockout match stats on't look very good but time will tell and I guess a proper assessment can only be made when he quits cricket.

 

[Ab Fan]

I don't class Champions Trophy and World T20 knockouts as that big games. Really, to be honest, the passion for those two tournaments are nowhere near to what it is around 50-overs World Cup. I remember I might skip WT20s or CT if it's not worth but comes the World Cup, even the cricket fans who hardly know many players name, they glue themselves to T.V sets and are absolutely spot on with the game.

Kohli definitely has been well below par in World Cups, and hence he doesn't fall into my top 3 greatest batsmen ever even though his exploits outside WC has been legendary.

His performance in knockouts stands as:-

2011 WC:- 24,9,35
2015 WC:- 3,1
2019 WC:- 1

He has a hundred vs Pakistan, but let's be honest, batting first, scoring a hundred at S.R of 85 on a flat wicket, I won't call it any special. So, he is a long way short from other all-time great ODI players as far as WC is concerned.

 

[Wahid1234]

This thread is an insult to arguably the greatest player of all time. He has won many big games in ICC events including the world cup 2011 which is one of many.

 

[surg]

Does choke include only semi finals and finals, not the league games of ICC
He has performed well in high pressure games against Pakistan in 50 as well as 20 over formats

 

[Ram Shekhar]

Officially, unofficially, and howsoever one wants to put it. Virat Kohli is a failure at the biggest stage. Period.

 

[goran]

Kohli is a proven failure when it matters the most. But he has still time on his side to set the records straight. Anyway, that doesn't change the fact that he is one of the best batsmen of his generation.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

I think at the moment the big knockout match stats on't look very good but time will tell and I guess a proper assessment can only be made when he quits cricket.

Understood but as Indians, we have no hopes from this choker. We know he will make pointless centuries but he will eventually fail when the pressure in on. Seen a lot of times already now. I hope he doesn't play 2023 WC and we can groom someone like Williamson by then.

 

[Bilal7]

Try as you want to, the fact of the matter is that CT13 was a truncated ODI match and not a T20I.

All the records of that match went into the ODI record books and not T20I record books.

Repeating a lie a thousand times doesn't make it true. You should know that.

It was a 20-overs match and Kohli did not even score a 50. What lie are you talking about? If that innings is all Kohli can hang his hat on in 50-overs cricket, it kinda proves the point.

 

[Bilal7]

Kohli is a proven failure when it matters the most. But he has still time on his side to set the records straight. Anyway, that doesn't change the fact that he is one of the best batsmen of his generation.

He does not have any time. He might play the next World Cup but it is not a given.

 

[ak619]

It was a 20-overs match and Kohli did not even score a 50. What lie are you talking about? If that innings is all Kohli can hang his hat on in 50-overs cricket, it kinda proves the point.

I have also said in this thread that Kohli is a bit of a choker.

But your arguments against the CT13 final and why is shouldn't count as an ODI knock is a load of nonsense. Simple as that.

 

[Bilal7]

I have also said in this thread that Kohli is a bit of a choker.

But your arguments against the CT13 final and why is shouldn't count as an ODI knock is a load of nonsense. Simple as that.

My argument that a 20-overs match should not be taken seriously when talking about 50-overs cricket is a "load of nonesense". Okay, to each his own. In my opinion, a 47 is never a great innings in 50-overs cricket and the only reason that innings is any good is because it was scored in a 20-overs match.

 

[kant]

Question: Poor world cup KO but great ODI stats = not ATG ? If this criteria is applied to other top players considered ATG, how many remain ? i.e great ODI stats with stellar KO performances. I am guessing Saching and Ponting only.

 

[kant]

To me, one to two matches in 4 years don't mean much. As if pressure doesn't exist in any other matches between those 4 years. A lot of great players will be eliminated on that criteria.

 

[ak619]

My argument that a 20-overs match should not be taken seriously when talking about 50-overs cricket is a "load of nonesense". Okay, to each his own. In my opinion, a 47 is never a great innings in 50-overs cricket and the only reason that innings is any good is because it was scored in a 20-overs match.

First of all this thread is not specific to ODI cricket. Maybe you have this confused with the other that's active right now. So it's perfectly fine to not just include CT13 but even T20I matches in this discussion.

Secondly, if Kohli's 47 isn't good enough to qualify as a good innings for 50 overs cricket then neither does Inzi's 60 odd in the SF in '92 unless you think that 60 is the arbitary cutoff score for some reason.

It's not like anybody else scored more than Kohli's 47. It was the highest individual score in the match. Matches get reduced due to rain all the time. Doesn't mean that the performances in those games should be thrown out of the window.

 

[Bilal7]

Question: Poor world cup KO but great ODI stats = not ATG ? If this criteria is applied to other top players considered ATG, how many remain ? i.e great ODI stats with stellar KO performances. I am guessing Saching and Ponting only.

Sachin? I don't think any other player has bottled two World Cup finals like he did. Ponting was a far better pressure player than Sachin but Sachin isn't a contender for biggest bottler of all-time like Kohli is.

To me, one to two matches in 4 years don't mean much. As if pressure doesn't exist in any other matches between those 4 years. A lot of great players will be eliminated on that criteria.

It's not one or two matches over four years though. He failed in three and two consecutive KO matches in the 2011 and 2015 editions of the World Cup, respectively. Then went on to fail in arguably the biggest Indo-Pak ODI match in 2017 and then failed in the 2019 semis as well. This is not what you an anomaly, this is a pattern.

First of all this thread is not specific to ODI cricket. Maybe you have this confused with the other that's active right now. So it's perfectly fine to not just include CT13 but even T20I matches in this discussion.

Secondly, if Kohli's 47 isn't good enough to qualify as a good innings for 50 overs cricket then neither does Inzi's 60 odd in the SF in '92 unless you think that 60 is the arbitary cutoff score for some reason.

It's not like anybody else scored more than Kohli's 47. It was the highest individual score in the match. Matches get reduced due to rain all the time. Doesn't mean that the performances in those games should be thrown out of the window.

Read more carefully:

This thread is about ODI's, the format he is considered the best in.

A 47 scored in 20 balls to win the game at the death is an excellent ODI innings. It is about the context. Kohli played a decent T20 innings, at a SR of 126, but if you translate that to an ODI, it simply wasn't anything special. Plus, it is silly to say that the number of overs had nothing to do with the result. Anderson, Broad and Tredwell are horrid T20 players; being only able to bowl four overs probably crippled them.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

dont care.. he is the best in the business ... afterall he is a human ..

 

[kant]

Sachin? I don't think any other player has bottled two World Cup finals like he did. Ponting was a far better pressure player than Sachin but Sachin isn't a contender for biggest bottler of all-time like Kohli is.

So by that argument, Sachin is not ATG but Ponting is ? Do runs in league stages not count ? If someone doesn't score in league stages, the team wouldn't even reach the KO outs. Your obsessions with knock outs is illogical.

 

[Bilal7]

So by that argument, Sachin is not ATG but Ponting is ? Do runs in league stages not count ? If someone doesn't score in league stages, the team wouldn't even reach the KO outs. Your obsessions with knock outs is illogical.

Sachin is most definitely an ATG but those two failures stop him from overtaking Viv and Ponting in the ODI format.

 

[rhony]

Understood but as Indians, we have no hopes from this choker. We know he will make pointless centuries but he will eventually fail when the pressure in on. Seen a lot of times already now. I hope he doesn't play 2023 WC and we can groom someone like Williamson by then.

You don't groom Williamsons. They are born. The way he handled himself with poise after the loss today, and that was a freakin world cup final, he has elevated himself to the highest of the highest leaders in cricket history. Brought his team to the final and it's bad luck for him to be on the losing side as two of his key players list their head at crucial times. Its moments like this that define a leader and he proved why he is a gem of a person and a leader.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Williamson game is first about survival and scoring runs. It works in any situations pressure or not pressure. Kohli's game is all about scoring runs not much about surviving. Although Kohli is a ground shot expert, his style is a risky style. He often tries to open up the on side by going across the line. Almost each time he was castled while he was doing that. You don't see Kane doing that. He would rather prefer an ugly survival than magical strokes upfront. This is where Kohli has to improve. Ugly survival upfront. He has done it before. But in big stages he has to remind himself of survival first before unleashing those strokes.

It is a combination of technical and mental not just mental as we think. He has a pattern in this. Even though Smith also goes across the line, but he plays with straight bat if needed. Kohli is hell bent on playing through on side against swinging ball with an angled bat.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Sachin is most definitely an ATG but those two failures stop him from overtaking Viv and Ponting in the ODI format.

Not even Viv and Ponting will say that lol Other than some fans trying to run down certain batsmen nobody defines these weird criteria. For the recorrd Viv failed in two out of three finals. Did well in one final.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

You don't groom Williamsons. They are born. The way he handled himself with poise after the loss today, and that was a freakin world cup final, he has elevated himself to the highest of the highest leaders in cricket history. Brought his team to the final and it's bad luck for him to be on the losing side as two of his key players list their head at crucial times. Its moments like this that define a leader and he proved why he is a gem of a person and a leader.

Agreed hundred percent. Williamson is the one of the greatest leaders of cricket regardless of what stats say (which I'm sure are much better than others).

 

[Wahid1234]

You can all sit down and argue all you want but for me Virat Kohli is the greatest batsmen of all time who has performed brilliantly in all ICC events and I'm a Pakistani fan saying this. THE GUY AVERAGED NEARLY 60 in this world cup for crying out loud and is still labelled a bottler. Absurd. Like I said Viral Kohli is the Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi of cricket. End off.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You can all sit down and argue all you want but for me Virat Kohli is the greatest batsmen of all time who has performed brilliantly in all ICC events and I'm a Pakistani fan saying this. THE GUY AVERAGED NEARLY 60 in this world cup for crying out loud and is still labelled a bottler. Absurd. Like I said Viral Kohli is the Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi of cricket. End off.

Yup. As i said in other thread, semi final/final performance is icing on the cake not the cake itself. Brian Lara never played any world cup final still an amazing batsman.

 

[Wahid1234]

Yup. As i said in other thread, semi final/final performance is icing on the cake not the cake itself. Brian Lara never played any world cup final still an amazing batsman.

Exactly that's a bit like saying Messi is a bottler for argentina as he never won the football world cup like Maradona. Where do people get this logic from we need to learn how to appreciate once in a generation players rather than calling GOAT bottlers.

 

[leatherface58]

Exactly that's a bit like saying Messi is a bottler for argentina as he never won the football world cup like Maradona. Where do people get this logic from we need to learn how to appreciate once in a generation players rather than calling GOAT bottlers.

If you dislike a player, you will do whatever it takes to downgrade them like how much they average in West Indies at 2 PM in 1989. Stats can be skewed to make anyone look great or bad.

Fact is Kohli is a phenomenal player. Another fact is Kohli has not stepped up when it mattered unlike Smith or Williamson. These two facts need not be mutually exclusive.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Not long ago Williamson was criticized for his slow batting in one dayers. He never looked the part. Fortunately his slow go approach perfectly fit the NZ in this world cup. Kohli is a dynamic player. Not a totally risky free cricketer from the get go. After 20 to 30 balls he will settle down into nice rythm. He probably has to learn to focus on surviving first and dominating later. He had a decent world cup until the semi final where entire top order was blown away. But from an Indian point of view this issue should be address not to affirm the world "He is a GOAT" but for India to win titles. Under Kohli India has not won a single title. I don't care whether he is GOAT or not. He has to step up anyway he can to win titles.

 

[rhony]

If you dislike a player, you will do whatever it takes to downgrade them like how much they average in West Indies at 2 PM in 1989. Stats can be skewed to make anyone look great or bad.

Fact is Kohli is a phenomenal player. Another fact is Kohli has not stepped up when it mattered unlike Smith or Williamson. These two facts need not be mutually exclusive.

Kohli has been a bottler in ODI crunch games but that's where it ends. He does well in Tests under immense pressure and he's been phenomenal in T20 World cups. I know called him a choker myself while the game was on, but I think it's limited to one format. Either way, Indians need to get away from the current template of top heavy. Kohli should bat at 4 and control the middle order. His legacy has been tarnished somewhat and he still has one more chance in India 2023. Let's see

 

[Ab Fan]

Bumping a thread here, the question is now that Kohli is already 31, what he needs to do to remove this choker tag from himself in big ODI matches?

2023 World Cup is in India, is that the last opportunity for him to prevent himself from being called as a choker and just an another bilateral bully who couldn't seize the pressure of big match moments like his contemporary Steven Smith does ?

 

[Mesozoic]

Bumping a thread here, the question is now that Kohli is already 31, what he needs to do to remove this choker tag from himself in big ODI matches?

2023 World Cup is in India, is that the last opportunity for him to prevent himself from being called as a choker and just an another bilateral bully who couldn't seize the pressure of big match moments like his contemporary Steven Smith does ?

If he wins two of the next three big assignments (WTC final at Lords, Wt20 and '23 WC) , the choker tag will forever be gone off his back.

 

[Kingpin786]

Slightly better than ABD and Amla

 

[Swashbuckler]

He is a choker in ODIs, last chance to remove the tag in 2023, even if he plays beyond that he will be a much inferior version.

Most clutch batsman of all time in T20s and decent enough under pressure in tests.

 

[therealAB]

Has become reasonably good in tests in terms of being clutch. ODI's not yet.

Cannot fairly compare him to Smith in this department as Smith is probably the most clutch since the Don

 

[Bhaijaan]

It is sad that in the 50 overs world cup history he will be remembered as a nobody.

 

[Bhaijaan]

When it comes to world cups, Babar Azam is clear better. He is more clinical and impactful and also very dominant.

 

[therealAB]

When it comes to world cups, Babar Azam is clear better. He is more clinical and impactful and also very dominant.

Haahaha. Only 1 world cup. Not enough sample size

 

[Bhaijaan]

Haahaha. Only 1 world cup. Not enough sample size

Going by what's on the table bro.

Next world cup is in India and chances are Bobby might have a 600-700 run tournament and cement his place as a world cup great.

To become a world cup legend however he will have to conquer 1 of 2027/2031/2035 world cups

 

[Ab Fan]

In 2019 World Cup which was Bobby's first one, he schooled Kohli on how to play and perform in big matches like World Cups.

Kohli may have mastered inferior ICC tournaments but a champion is the one who showcasses mastery at the highest level, i.e. World Cup.

de Villiers has done it by averaging 63 at a strike rate of 120, Smith showcassed his class by winning the WC for Australia in 2015 tournament, Williamson became man of tournament in 2019 WC while Root led England to their first world cup trophy and the last one, Babar schooled Kohli in his very first World Cup tournament. These guys are tier 1 batsmen IMO because of their mastery at highest level.

On other hand, Kohli is simply not at that level, he belongs to tier 2 alongside Quinton de kock. Great bilateral players but simply not good enough for the highest level.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Slightly better than ABD and Amla

abd dint choke in semis though of odi.
he scored and played well. His teammates choked.

 

[tyron_woodley]

In 2019 World Cup which was Bobby's first one, he schooled Kohli on how to play and perform in big matches like World Cups.

Kohli may have mastered inferior ICC tournaments but a champion is the one who showcasses mastery at the highest level, i.e. World Cup.

de Villiers has done it by averaging 63 at a strike rate of 120, Smith showcassed his class by winning the WC for Australia in 2015 tournament, Williamson became man of tournament in 2019 WC while Root led England to their first world cup trophy and the last one, Babar schooled Kohli in his very first World Cup tournament. These guys are tier 1 batsmen IMO because of their mastery at highest level.

On other hand, Kohli is simply not at that level, he belongs to tier 2 alongside Quinton de kock. Great bilateral players but simply not good enough for the highest level.

I disagree with babar. He will get schooled in 2023 by indian spinners. Kohli will be back with a vengeance and prove himself to be the greatest odi player of all time in 2023.

 

[Ab Fan]

I disagree with babar. He will get schooled in 2023 by indian spinners. Kohli will be back with a vengeance and prove himself to be the greatest odi player of all time in 2023.

He has to, there is no 'will be' here. He can score 1 lakhs or 1.5 lpa runs by smashing Windies and Lankan and a few Australian bowlers like Boland, Paris, Faulkner, Brad Williams etc but it means nothing.

He was not allowed to finish his world cup knockout performance in 2019 in that fashion finishing his previous three big matches performance as 1(9), 1(13) and 5(9), that's comical. All this resulted in three back to back failures for India in the ICC tournaments, all of which India were among top two favourites to win. Right now, he is in tier-2 alongside Quinton de kock.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I disagree with babar. He will get schooled in 2023 by indian spinners. Kohli will be back with a vengeance and prove himself to be the greatest odi player of all time in 2023.

It can be ruled out that Kohli might also have a good world cup in India next as he is a good player at home.

But the real question, how are you going to stop Rohit The Hitman Sharma?

Hitman might break every remaining ODI world cho batting record in 2023 and retire as GOAT from this generation ahead of Bobby

 

[tyron_woodley]

It can be ruled out that Kohli might also have a good world cup in India next as he is a good player at home.

But the real question, how are you going to stop Rohit The Hitman Sharma?

Hitman might break every remaining ODI world cho batting record in 2023 and retire as GOAT from this generation ahead of Bobby

yes it's possible. dhawan on his last legs too. I would prefer to see Shaw or Mayank open though. Yes they were poor in n.z but that was their first overseas test. They have serious untapped potential.

gill as well.

There Will be blood in 2023. India will win the world cup in 2023 and kohli will inscribe his name into the hall of hame as the greatest odi ever.

 

[shamaan]

Yes hes a choker in world cups but hes a master in biteral series he will most likely dominate in 2023 so will babar

 

[Kroll]

Yes hes a choker in world cups but hes a master in biteral series he will most likely dominate in 2023 so will babar

Why is he a choker in world cups? He's won a WC for his country.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Yes hes a choker in world cups but hes a master in biteral series he will most likely dominate in 2023 so will babar

he won a WC and a champions trophy for indian. he ain't no choker. He has struggled in KO stages over the last 2 world cups.

 

[shamaan]

Why is he a choker in world cups? He's won a WC for his country.

That's cuz mr cool was captain dhoni

 

[shamaan]

he won a WC and a champions trophy for indian. he ain't no choker. He has struggled in KO stages over the last 2 world cups.

He chokes under pressure as captain 2011 dhoni was captain hes mr cool

 

[King_Kohli]

No..
The biggest Choker in world cricket is sachin.
He is below Dada

Most runs in ICC Semifinals (ODI WC, CT, WT20) among Indians:

348 - Ganguly (4 inns, 2 100s, 1 50)
326 - Kohli (7 inns, 4 50s)
296 - Tendulkar (6 inns, 3 50s)
266 - Rohit (7 inns, 1 100)
207 - Yuvraj (6 inns, 2 50s)

 

[King_Kohli]

Current Indian batsmen in ICC tournaments (ODI WC and CT):

65.15 - Dhawan (1238 in 20 inns)
60.79 - Rohit (1459 in 27)
55.67 - Kohli (1559 in 38)
45.12 - Rahul (361 in 9)
38.16 - Jadeja (229 in 10)

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Current Indian batsmen in ICC tournaments (ODI WC and CT):

65.15 - Dhawan (1238 in 20 inns)
60.79 - Rohit (1459 in 27)
55.67 - Kohli (1559 in 38)
45.12 - Rahul (361 in 9)
38.16 - Jadeja (229 in 10)

It's hard to believe that India haven't won more ICC trophies having such a consistent top order

Can you please post Pakistani top order stats for the same time span?

 

[shamaan]

It's hard to believe that India haven't won more ICC trophies having such a consistent top order

Can you please post Pakistani top order stats for the same time span?

The king babar averages 67 and jedeja isnt a top order bdw

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

Kohli in World Cup knockout matches.

2011 QF vs Aus = 24. (Won)
2011 SF vs Pak = 9. (Won)
2011 Final vs SL = 35. (Won)

2015 QF vs BD = 3. (Won)
2015 SF vs Aus = 1. (Lost)

2019 SF vs NZ = 1. (Lost)

Some people say he is overrated because of his lack of runs in big WC games.

 

[Banton10]

He is useless in wc knockouts.

 

[Hasan123]

People talk about ICC tournaments all day but never mention Kohli performing in the 2014 and 2016 tournaments. India would have gotten as far as they did if it wasn't for him.

Pakistan fans can't downplay the World T20 as they did banghra and laps of honour of Sarfraz winning streak. World T20 is the only T20s that matter in international cricket.

Kohli is no choker. In any case ICC tournament performances are used when 2 batters are close. Kohli is a vastly superior player to most that have played the game. I would only compare ICC tournament performances of Kohli against Viv,Sachin,etc.

 

[jagatk]

Kohli in World Cup knockout matches.

2011 QF vs Aus = 24. (Won)
2011 SF vs Pak = 9. (Won)
2011 Final vs SL = 35. (Won)

2015 QF vs BD = 3. (Won)
2015 SF vs Aus = 1. (Lost)

2019 SF vs NZ = 1. (Lost)

Some people say he is overrated because of his lack of runs in big WC games.

He has an abysmal record in 50 over wc knockouts, but is he overrated because of that? You could call him a choker but overrated?

What I have always found interesting is his choking problems start and end with 50 over wc, He has a decent record in CT knockouts, he is basically a demigod when it comes to world t20 knockout games. Yet somehow when it comes to 50 over wc he is barely an average player. Which is why he will never surpass tendulkar as Goat for me in LoI's, but I would never call him overrated.

 

[Ted123]

With this ODI World Cup record, does he deserve to be in reckoning among the greatest?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The biggest choker has to be hashim though . Dodnt accomplish enough for a player of his talent.

 

[tyron_woodley]

2023 kohli will win the WC for India. Will retire as the best odi and t20 player ever in history. Even if he doesn't, he only needs a couple of good performances in the KO stages.

He will be one of the best ever in tests as well. Smith will be number 1 in tests of all time. kohli top 5.

 

[Manunited18]

Kohlis stats in ICC events specially in the knock outs is shocking to say the least, for me Ricky Ponting is the greatest odi bat I've seen as well as leading his team to back to back world cup glory in 03 and 07

 

[Ab Fan]

It is a surprising case for Virat Kohli because he generally excels under pressure situation. However, it is true that we had the team to win those tournaments and we either lost in semis or finals.

Currently, I will put Kohli in same league as AB in ODIs but after he wins us the World Cup in 2023, he can be considered better than Ponting and at same level to Viv and SRT.

 

[the Great Khan]

I think calling him a choker is a bit unfair. he is the big wicket so it is understandable the opposition will target him specifically in the knockouts..its also psychological. He is the captain and wants to do well but is also probably thinking about the rest of the team subconsciously which can effect your performance.

As for all time great well i dont think anyone can argue about that. has a complete game and i dont think we will see many players like him again once he retires. the game will have changed even more. I also dont think we will see an indian player like him again.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Only in ODIs. He needs to step up in 2023 WC to leave his mark.

WT20 2014 and 2016 back to back Player of the Tournament, dominated 2014 SF/F and 2016 SF and not to forget that legendary knock against Aussies in group stage must win match. So so clutch in that format. Even 2013 CT F which was reduced to a 20 overs affair he was top scorer in a low scoring match, difficult batting conditions that day.