Is Virat Kohli on the brink of ATG status in Tests subject to his litmus test in England?

[Buffet]

Only patient and boring players tend to be good in swinging conditions like Dravid. Leave lot of balls and patiently wear bowlers out.Kohli will eventually get there. But dominating batsmen may make mistakes there.

SRT in 90 in Eng series - avg 61
SRT in 96 in Eng series - avg 86
SRT in 02 in Eng series - avg 66



Viv in 76 in Eng series - Avg 118
Viv in 80 in Eng series - Avg 63

SRT and Viv were not boring defensive players in these series.

 

[cricketjoshila]

SRT in 90 in Eng series - avg 61
SRT in 96 in Eng series - avg 86
SRT in 02 in Eng series - avg 66



Viv in 76 in Eng series - Avg 118
Viv in 80 in Eng series - Avg 63

SRT and Viv were not boring defensive players in these series.

There are greats and ATGs and Legends then there are Tendulkars abd Richards.

 

[Chrish]

Would have gotten 200 if not for running out of partners..

Proved he can play marathon innings away from home as well!

 

[Slog]

lol i missed the gem that kohli has surpassed Lara and Ponting )

 

[samplepiece]

The amount of nitpicking here is insane. Kohli has failed in England but except a handful of players, all the great batsmen have failed in one or more countries. That includes the likes of Lara, Dravid, Sangakkara.

 

[Slog]

The amount of nitpicking here is insane. Kohli has failed in England but except a handful of players, all the great batsmen have failed in one or more countries. That includes the likes of Lara, Dravid, Sangakkara.

Kohli hasn't failed in England. He has not even showed up.

Ponting failed in India where though he had one good tour and has a century and several half centuries, his overall record in the country is poor.

Kohli in England and Ponting in India aren't comparable for example.

Same with Sangakarra. He has a century in the place where he has supposedly failed and averages mid-30s there. Certainly no beastly numbers but not an average of 13 either

Dravid I don't know but I don't put him in same class of these. However I still wont be surprised if he doesnt have such disastrous numbers anywhere.

Kohli obviously is just one tour in and can easily set it right when India tours late summer this year...

 

[samplepiece]

Kohli hasn't failed in England. He has not even showed up.

Ponting failed in India where though he had one good tour and has a century and several half centuries, his overall record in the country is poor.

Kohli in England and Ponting in India aren't comparable for example.

Same with Sangakarra. He has a century in the place where he has supposedly failed and averages mid-30s there. Certainly no beastly numbers but not an average of 13 either

Dravid I don't know but I don't put him in same class of these. However I still wont be surprised if he doesnt have such disastrous numbers anywhere.

Kohli obviously is just one tour in and can easily set it right when India tours late summer this year...

So basically Kohli is one good tour of England away from being hailed as an ATG?

 

[jusarrived]

8 150+ scores in last 12 months and second best is Smith at three . Hes batting at another level .

 

[Dead Ball]

Kohli hasn't failed in England. He has not even showed up.

Ponting failed in India where though he had one good tour and has a century and several half centuries, his overall record in the country is poor.

Kohli in England and Ponting in India aren't comparable for example.

Same with Sangakarra. He has a century in the place where he has supposedly failed and averages mid-30s there. Certainly no beastly numbers but not an average of 13 either

Dravid I don't know but I don't put him in same class of these. However I still wont be surprised if he doesnt have such disastrous numbers anywhere.

Kohli obviously is just one tour in and can easily set it right when India tours late summer this year...

Kohli will have to be rubbish in England for the two decades to match up to Ponting's failures in India. Sangakkara/Lara both were average travellers away from home till the last 2-3 years of their careers when they made up for it (especially in Lara's case, when all the ATG bowlers had retired)

I have never seen an ATG batsman struggle as much as Ponting did in India 2001. He scored 17 runs in 6 innings at an average of 3.40.
He was batting like a pure tailender.

 

[Ab Fan]

Can we say that this inning shouldnt be valued because this came on an Indian kind of pitches?

Isn't this what Smith critics were saying of one of his hundred in India as it come on Australian kind of pitches?

 

[Slog]

Kohli will have to be rubbish in England for the two decades to match up to Ponting's failures in India. .

He's well on his way to that and worse

Ponting had a century and several half centuries in India

Kohli hasnt looked any better than a tailender in England

 

[Slog]

Can we say that this inning shouldnt be valued because this came on an Indian kind of pitches?

Isn't this what Smith critics were saying of one of his hundred in India as it come on Australian kind of pitches?

Which Smith innings came in Aussie kind of pitches?

The one he got most praise for was Pune century which was a Day 8 pitch on first day acc to WARNE

 

[cricketjoshila]

He's well on his way to that and worse

Ponting had a century and several half centuries in India

Kohli hasnt looked any better than a tailender in England

What did Ponting look like after his 2 tours of India? Infact in his first 8 tests in India Ponting avgd 12.xx .

 

[Slog]

What did Ponting look like after his 2 tours of India? Infact in his first 8 tests in India Ponting avgd 12.xx .

and?
As Ive said when Kohli does that then these questions will disappear

 

[jnaveen1980]

Apart from Kohli and AB nobody looked distinctly comfortable. Lot of balls reared up from good length.

 

[cricketjoshila]

and?
As Ive said when Kohli does that then these questions will disappear

Read the post i quoted.

 

[Mamoon]

He's well on his way to that and worse

Ponting had a century and several half centuries in India

Kohli hasnt looked any better than a tailender in England

Kohli has had only one tour of England so far, and he will score this time. Inferior batsmen than him have piled up the runs against England in England. The series in 2014 was surely a one-off.

 

[Tusker]

and?
As Ive said when Kohli does that then these questions will disappear

lol .... just like how nobody questions Tendulkar on PP ... Right ?

 

[Ab Fan]

Which Smith innings came in Aussie kind of pitches?

The one he got most praise for was Pune century which was a Day 8 pitch on first day acc to WARNE

The one in Dharmsala.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kohli failing in England is never an issue. A batsmen is allowed to have one bogey country.

The thing is Ponting had a 7 year peak when he avgd 68 in tests.

Smith in last 4 years is averaging 75. Can someone post Kohli's peak? There is what the difference is as far as tests are concerned. In odis, he is among the top5-6 odi batsmen of all time already and will be in top3 when he retires.

 

[Buffet]

Kohli failing in England is never an issue. A batsmen is allowed to have one bogey country.

The thing is Ponting had a 7 year peak when he avgd 68 in tests.

Smith in last 4 years is averaging 75. Can someone post Kohli's peak? There is what the difference is as far as tests are concerned. In odis, he is among the top5-6 odi batsmen of all time already and will be in top3 when he retires.

Kohli - 9 Dec 2014 till now ( 3 years so far )

36 tests - avg 65 with 15 tons - 9 have been 150+(

Ponting has around 15 scores of 150+ in entire career.
Smith has 7 scores of 150+ so far.

Kohli likes to go big whenever he gets going. I like to see that. He hardly used to do that earlier and all big scores have come in the last few years.

 

[SLcric123]

Kohli - 9 Dec 2014 till now ( 3 years so far )

36 tests - avg 65 with 15 tons - 9 have been 150+(

Ponting has around 15 scores of 150+ in entire career.
Smith has 7 scores of 150+ so far.

Kohli likes to go big whenever he gets going. I like to see that. He hardly used to do that earlier and all big scores have come in the last few years.

So clearly, he has long way to get there in test.There are many players who at peak would have averaged 65 for three years. Doing it for 7 years is the deal.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Incredible innings by Kohli. Funny seeing posters desperately clutching at straws to try and discredit him.

 

[Buffet]

So clearly, he has long way to get there in test.There are many players who at peak would have averaged 65 for three years. Doing it for 7 years is the deal.

Ponting's peak was an exception. Most ATG don't average 65+ for 7 years in their career.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kohli - 9 Dec 2014 till now ( 3 years so far )

36 tests - avg 65 with 15 tons - 9 have been 150+(

Ponting has around 15 scores of 150+ in entire career.
Smith has 7 scores of 150+ so far.

Kohli likes to go big whenever he gets going. I like to see that. He hardly used to do that earlier and all big scores have come in the last few years.

You will see many players averaging 65 in a 3 year peak phase. It becomes harder to maintain this. Kohli will go down as ATG unless that peak ends up close to 60 or below when the no. Of tests will be 70 and not 36. His latter years will also play a role.

 

[Buffet]

You will see many players averaging 65 in a 3 year peak phase. It becomes harder to maintain this. Kohli will go down as ATG unless that peak ends up close to 60 or below when the no. Of tests will be 70 and not 36. His latter years will also play a role.

I am not too sure about it.

How many ATG players have 65+ avg for 3 years peak( take out minnows matches if they have cashed in played minnows too much in the same period)?

It will be an interesting exercise.

Now we may find that may ATG players have 65+ avg for 3 years, but not sure if many non-ATG's have the same output unless they happen to cash in against minnows to inflate their stats.

Anyway, Kohli is not an ATG for me right now, but I feel he is a bit underrated in the test format. He has started doing very well in the test format.

 

[Ab Fan]

I am not too sure about it.

<B>How many ATG players have 65+ avg for 3 years peak( take out minnows matches if they have cashed in played minnows too much in the same period)?</B>

It will be an interesting exercise.

Now we may find that may ATG players have 65+ avg for 3 years, but not sure if many non-ATG's have the same output unless they happen to cash in against minnows to inflate their stats.

Anyway, Kohli is not an ATG for me right now, but I feel he is a bit underrated in the test format. He has started doing very well in the test format.

Why take out minnows? Kohli has faced the weaker attacks too.

Apart from ATGs- ABD, Amla, Younis, Root, Kane would also be having such kind of 3 years peak.Not going into past players here.

Now sure Kohli will be underrated because this is Pakpassion but yeah if you are saying that he is not an ATG yet then I agree.I do believe he will go down as ATG when he retires.

 

[Buffet]

Can some one find 3 years peak average for ,

Lara
Dravid
Kallis
Sanga
SRT

Exclude BD because they were literally club level and everyone cashed in against BD. So peak 3 years average for these 5 batsmen excluding BD?

I am not sure if all of them even had 65+ avg for peak 3 years.

 

[Buffet]

Why take out minnows? Kohli has faced the weaker attacks too.

You can play disproportionate number of tests against minnows in short period like 3 years. It happens even for entire career for few batsmen, but more likely to happen for 3 years period.

 

[Ab Fan]

Can some one find 3 years peak average for ,

Lara
Dravid
Kallis
Sanga
SRT

Exclude BD because they were literally club level and everyone cashed in against BD. So peak 3 years average for these 5 batsmen excluding BD?

I am not sure if all of them even had 65+ avg for peak 3 years.

Sanga has a 10 year peak when he averages 65 between 2005-2014.

 

[Buffet]

Sanga has a 10 year peak when he averages 65 between 2005-2014.

What does it look like without BD?

 

[Buffet]

What does it look like without BD?

I was asking to exclude BD here because Ponting's and Smith peak is not inflated by bashing minnows. When we are using them as benchmark and think that it's easy to average 65+ for 3 years then I am not sure that it's so easy unless you are simply inflating by bashing minnows.

 

[Ab Fan]

What does it look like without BD?

10 years is still a long long period. Its not that Kohli has faced really top quality attacks in those 3 years. If we start excluding minnows the averages and stats will tell a different story for so many players that includes the likes of SRT, Kallis, Dravid, Smith and many more. Even Sehwag might be having a peak phase of 3 years like this. But that isn't enough to call anyone an ATG.

However, Kohli definitely is going on a right direction but things he has been doing in last 3 years isn't insane or anything of such. We can expect this from a elite test batsmen.

Have a look at Smith. He is averaging 75 I guess in last 4 years. Now that is really insane.

 

[Tusker]

Can some one find 3 years peak average for ,

Lara
Dravid
Kallis
Sanga
SRT

Exclude BD because they were literally club level and everyone cashed in against BD. So peak 3 years average for these 5 batsmen excluding BD?

I am not sure if all of them even had 65+ avg for peak 3 years.

SRT

Avgd 68.64 over a 4 yr period between 1998-2001.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...8;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting


Including 1997 a 5 yr period between 97-01 its 67.10

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...7;spanval2=span;template=results;type=batting

 

[Ab Fan]

I was asking to exclude BD here because Ponting's and Smith peak is not inflated by bashing minnows. When we are using them as benchmark and think that it's easy to average 65+ for 3 years then I am not sure that it's so easy unless you are simply inflating by bashing minnows.

Same is the case with Kohli. Bangladesh and SL aren't official minnows but not too far off and facing Kiwis and English attack in India is again an easy job. He hasn't got the tough runs in India except one or two occassions. Its mostly inflating the numbers which has been done by him.

This is what has been his story in last 3 years. He won't maintain this avg of 65 when the overseas tour would end. It will slip to 62-63.

 

[Buffet]

10 years is still a long long period. Its not that Kohli has faced really top quality attacks in those 3 years. If we start excluding minnows the averages and stats will tell a different story for so many players that includes the likes of SRT, Kallis, Dravid, Smith and many more. Even Sehwag might be having a peak phase of 3 years like this. But that isn't enough to call anyone an ATG.

However, Kohli definitely is going on a right direction but things he has been doing in last 3 years isn't insane or anything of such. We can expect this from a elite test batsmen.

Have a look at Smith. He is averaging 75 I guess in last 4 years. Now that is really insane.

Question is - does Sanga has a even short period of 3 years with 65+ avg when you exclude BD or his avg is pretty much due to BD?

Avg of 75 is surely insane and Ponting had a gun peak as well, but these two didn't get their peak's avg riding on minnow bashing. That's why I asked how many batsmen even have 65+ avg when you exclude BD.

Same is the case with Kohli. Bangladesh and SL aren't official minnows but not too far off and facing Kiwis and English attack in India is again an easy job. He hasn't got the tough runs in India except one or two occassions. Its mostly inflating the numbers which has been done by him.

This is what has been his story in last 3 years. He won't maintain this avg of 65 when the overseas tour would end. It will slip to 62-63.

SL has a world class spinner who may be top 3 spinner the last 10 years. Just because he couldn't do anything in India, I won't club SL and BD as one.

Facing NZ and Eng at home is not the same thing. That way you can ignore most runs of Smith in Aus. Very few teams can bowl well in Aus, but having a team like BD is different thing. BD at home right now is not easy to score, but that was not the case even few years back. They used to put roads and had no good spinner. SRT, Sanga etc scored heavily against BD.

 

[Slog]

lol .... just like how nobody questions Tendulkar on PP ... Right ?

Nobody questions all round greatness of tendulkar

People question his place as to where he stands among all time greats.. ATG he is undeniably and is in a list of just 5 or so batsmen who are at the elite level of ATGs

 

[Buffet]

Sanga has a 10 year peak when he averages 65 between 2005-2014.

I just tried to see out of curiosity. In your cited period, around 25% of his runs came against BD. Now it's absurd to take this at face value when 25% runs came against BD. 1 out of every 4 runs.

That's why I asked to exclude minnows for everyone.

 

[Buffet]

SRT

Avgd 68.64 over a 4 yr period between 1998-2001.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...8;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting


Including 1997 a 5 yr period between 97-01 its 67.10

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...7;spanval2=span;template=results;type=batting

Very good record, but dropping minnows may take it below 65. Anyway, standard of bowling in 90s was higher. I am sure we could find few examples , but I don't think too many batsmen will have 65+ avg.

Having said that main point - averaging 65+ without relying on minnow bashing is going to be hard.

 

[Tusker]

Very good record, but dropping minnows may take it below 65. Anyway, standard of bowling in 90s was higher. I am sure we could find few examples , but I don't think too many batsmen will have 65+ avg.

Having said that main point - averaging 65+ without relying on minnow bashing is going to be hard.

Agreed by and large but that record of SRT does not incl BD as you had asked. ZIM of the 90s was a pretty decent team.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yes, he will become an ATG and so would Ashwin be.

We are one of those countries who only produce ATGs but dont win matches abroad yet our young generation batsmen are known for winning matches unlike the previous generation ones who used to score runs but didnt impact games.

Since 2011,

8 Tests vs Aus. Result-0-6
9 Tests vs Eng. Results-1-7
5 Tests vs SA. Results- 0-3
2 Tests vs NZ. Results-0-1

Overall, 24 tests!

Result 1-17

Moral victory 6 drawn tests.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yes, he will become an ATG and so would Ashwin be.

We are one of those countries who only produce ATGs but dont win matches abroad yet our young generation batsmen are known for winning matches unlike the previous generation ones who used to score runs but didnt impact games.

Since 2011,

8 Tests vs Aus. Result-0-6
9 Tests vs Eng. Results-1-7
5 Tests vs SA. Results- 0-3
2 Tests vs NZ. Results-0-1

Overall, 24 tests!

Result 1-17

Moral victory 6 drawn tests.

In comparison, since 2011,

SL- 2 wins
Pak- 2 wins

It only proves that India performs as beast at home but away from home, they slip themselves to the levels lower of Pakistan and SL team who aren't even considered as top test team in this decade.

 

[Abdullah719]

What are NDTV trying to say

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Virat Kohli Is Behind Bhuvneshwar Kumar In Batting Record In England

Virat Kohli is a prolific run-scorer. When he is in form, no bowling attack can stop the Indian captain. Be it home series or away tours, Virat Kohli has impressed his fans with his batting prowess. Kohli is leading India for the first time in a bilateral series against England in England and the Indian skipper's record on England soil in not that impressive. It is strange to read but India medium-pacer Bhuvneshwar Kumar has better Test batting record in England than Virat Kohli.

The last time India toured England was in 2014 under the leadership of Mahendra Singh Dhoni. The Indian side lost the five-match Test series 3-1 after the first match ended in a draw.

Kohli played all the five matches in 2014 but managed just 134 runs in the series at an average of 13.40. There were two occasions when Kohli departed on duck.

In the same series, India tail-ender Bhuvneshwar scored 247 runs at an average of 27.44, including three half-centuries.

Not just Bhuvneshwar, India's leg-spinner Amit Mishra also played two matches when India toured England in 2011.

In two matches, Mishra had scored 153 runs at an average of 38.25. He scored one half-century in the series.

Apart from England, Kohli has impressive away records against Australia, South Africa and New Zealand.

The Indian captain has played eight away matches against Australia and scored 992 runs at an average of 62.00. He has five centuries to his name on Australian soil.

Kohli has played five matches on South African soil, scoring 558 runs at an average of 55.80, including two centuries.

In two matches he has played against New Zealand in New Zealand, Kohli has managed 214 runs at an average of 71.33, including one century.

With the five-match series against England is all set to kick off on Wednesday at Edgbaston cricket ground in Birmingham, Kohli will look to improve on his record on English soil.

https://sports.ndtv.com/england-vs-...hind-bhuvneshwar-kumar-in-this-record-1892025

 

[cricketindiafan]

Needs at least 500 runs in the series and a couple of big hundreds. He's looked distracted in shorter formats recently, hopefully that was because of his England record bothering him. With a dry summer and less chances of clouds around, excellent chance to set the record straight.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Kohli will be the highest run getter in this series against England. Mark my words.

 

[kuskash]

He is not suppossed to fail in any country. We will find another criteria for him.

 

[khan991]

If you havent faced pakistani bowlers and dominated you arent considered ATG for me. As they say reverse swing from a pakistani bowler is something else.

 

[Sam99]

Kohli will be the highest run getter in this series against England. Mark my words.

Can be from indian side. I am sure root/cook or bairstow will outscore him for total runs.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Can be from indian side. I am sure root/cook or bairstow will outscore him for total runs.

IMHO he will outscore both root and bairstow .He will be the leading run scorer of the series.
Cook may play well but he does'nt have the ability to be the highest scorer any more.
Bairstow bats too low,root is a contender but i think kohli is more hungry.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

If you havent faced pakistani bowlers and dominated you arent considered ATG for me. As they say reverse swing from a pakistani bowler is something else.

sorry,but those days are long gone.

 

[BlackShadow]

If you havent faced pakistani bowlers and dominated you arent considered ATG for me. As they say reverse swing from a pakistani bowler is something else.

They don't say it anymore. Pakistan has had one of the weakest Test pace attacks this decade. What I do miss however is Kohli Vs Ajmal or Yasir. Those two would have been a good challenge for Kohli.

 

[khan991]

They don't say it anymore. Pakistan has had one of the weakest Test pace attacks this decade. What I do miss however is Kohli Vs Ajmal or Yasir. Those two would have been a good challenge for Kohli.

sorry,but those days are long gone.

I believe amir wahab abbas and yasir would have given him a tough test.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Although I think Kohli will perform in the upcoming series in England, i think Kohli's decline will start after a year.

 

[hadi123]

He's had some lives but great innings by Kohli.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Well done Kohli.

 

[Oligochaetes]

What a knock! Champion!

 

[kuskash]

Excuses: Kohli got chances, Anderson-Broad were down the hill, this ton does not count much

 

[BlackShadow]

This is how you define a fighter. What a champion.

 

[TeamPak95]

Add at least 2 more centuries + series win, then yes I would say so.

 

[Bubby]

Although I think Kohli will perform in the upcoming series in England, i think Kohli's decline will start after a year.

you think or u wish

 

[Ab Fan]

Brilliant inning. One of the best of the year alongside AB de Villiers hundred at Port Elizabeth.

 

[Ab Fan]

[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION], how do you rate Kohli?

 

[shaz619]

Incredible knock, his greatest innings across any format. By far the best batsman in the world and on his way to ATG status providing he ends this tour well.

 

[bala977]

Although I think Kohli will perform in the upcoming series in England, i think Kohli's decline will start after a year.

Guess you have never won a lottery before, have you?

 

[Bhaijaan]

2nd best test batsman of this generation

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Started off a bit scratchily but his composure and strength of will shows his class as a batsman.The best in the world.

 

[BlackShadow]

Already conquered SA, Aus, and NZ in style, and now he is doing it in England too. These are probably the toughest conditions he will get this series, so he looks all set for a few more in coming matches.

 

[Bhaijaan]

In the span of half an hour this knock has raised its level from great to near legendary.

 

[Abdullah719]

He has more runs in this innings now than in all 10 innings of the 2014 tour

 

[introvert]

Showed great temperament today. Good inning overall. confidence booster 100 for him. Let's see how how next innings in this series goes ?

 

[Hasan123]

Lol only deluded,bitter ,and biased Pakistan fans didn't think he would score in England.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Lol only deluded,bitter ,and biased Pakistan fans didn't think he would score in England.

Why single out Pakistan man? Kohli has tons of fans in Pakistan. He probably has more haters in India.

 

[Abdullah719]

Lol only deluded,bitter ,and biased Pakistan fans didn't think he would score in England.

No need for the sweeping generalisations and rude comments, this thread was started by a Pakistan fan too

There is a reason for doubting his ability to score in England and that showed in the way he played initially during his innings. He struggles against the moving ball and the Dukes has always been a challenge for him.

However, he's taken full advantage of the chances given to him to turn it around and play a stunning knock.

 

[Hasan123]

Why single out Pakistan man? Kohli has tons of fans in Pakistan. He probably has more haters in India.

Most of the hate he gets on this forum is Pakistan fans who downplay his achievements. He does have a lot of support in Pakistan but not much on this forum.

 

[Hasan123]

No need for the sweeping generalisations and rude comments, this thread was started by a Pakistan fan too

There is a reason for doubting his ability to score in England and that showed in the way he played initially during his innings. He struggles against the moving ball and the Dukes has always been a challenge for him.

However, he's taken full advantage of the chances given to him to turn it around and play a stunning knock.

[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] told us Kohli couldn't score in England. [MENTION=57422]sarfi[/MENTION]BabarHarris told us Pujara is a better batsmen and that Kohli has no impact in tests.

It was obvious he would perform on this tour. His work ethic and his mental strength are immense.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No need for the sweeping generalisations and rude comments, this thread was started by a Pakistan fan too

There is a reason for doubting his ability to score in England and that showed in the way he played initially during his innings. He struggles against the moving ball and the Dukes has always been a challenge for him.

However, he's taken full advantage of the chances given to him to turn it around and play a stunning knock.

So the ball doesnot move in SA?Cmon now.

Do you doubt the ability of Viv Richards for his failures in NZ?

Do you doubt Ponting's ability for failing in India?

Do you doubt Sober's ability for failing in NZ?

Is Ambrose doubted for his failures in Asia?

Is Warne not the best spinner because he failed in India?

I can go on and on and on. Players have poor tours.

Unfortunately for such a brilliant poster your post is exactly what the poster you quoted meant.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Legendary knock!

 

[Abdul]

Legend, I have got nothing but respect for Kohli.

 

[in_cutter]

A legend of the game. Might be hard for some biased Pakistanis to accept this but a true lover of the game will agree.

 

[Abdullah719]

So the ball doesnot move in SA?Cmon now.

Do you doubt the ability of Viv Richards for his failures in NZ?

Do you doubt Ponting's ability for failing in India?

Do you doubt Sober's ability for failing in NZ?

Is Ambrose doubted for his failures in Asia?

Is Warne not the best spinner because he failed in India?

I can go on and on and on. Players have poor tours.

Unfortunately for such a brilliant poster your post is exactly what the poster you quoted meant.

Kohli isn't a God, he is not perfect. That's all I am saying. The way he batted for the first hour or so, it looked like it might be a repeat of 2014. But people who were expecting him to fail didn't take his mental toughness into account, there is no one in the world who is better.

Regarding swing, it's usually the most extravagant in England due to the combination of the overhead conditions and the Dukes' ball, you rarely find that anywhere else in the world.

He can be a legend without performing in England even, I wasn't referring to that. I wasn't even talking about Kohli being great or not, my point was that people are allowed to have different opinions and they can be proven wrong in future, it doesn't mean that they are idiots and only bias can make them come to that conclusion. If [MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION] was active these days, he would have acknowledged the quality of this knock.