Is winning a single match against India an achievement for Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Pakistan?

This series win for Sri Lanka is just as significant as their 1996 World Cup victory. It's like adding another ICC title to their cabinet.
 
This series win for Sri Lanka is just as significant as their 1996 World Cup victory. It's like adding another ICC title to their cabinet.

How?

No. It is not significant like that. Sri Lanka knocked India out in 2021 Asia Cup too.

Also, this Indian team isn't exactly invincible. They lost 1-2 in Bangladesh as well (that had Rohit and Kohli). They are a mid-tier team who become an elite side whenever Bumrah plays. Bumrah is the difference.
 
Did India win a single match during the ODI series?

Is a tie considered an achievement for them 🤔
 
As I have said elsewhere if we played bilateral against India it wouldn't be as uneven as people think....
 
It can't get any more embarrassing than this. Losing to srilanka in such a fashion.

If we are talking about achievement. India tied that first match now that's an achievement for India LoL.
 
Besides the fact that threads like these display a remarkable sense of hubris, I also feel like such threads are created with the ulterior intent of taking passive aggressive digs at Pakistani fans.

I get it, I have done some chest thumping in the past too. But if you consider yourself a serious cricket fan I think that at some point you need to grow up mentally.

At the end of the day, you as a fan should know better. Unless you are a West Indies fan in the 1980s or an Australian fan in the 2000s, its laughable to do this kind of chest thumping. No team is invincible, especially in a format as unpredictable as ODI or T20. And cricket as a game is a great leveler. One day you are on top of the world, next day you are languishing in the depths. Which is why fans should give the same respect to other teams that their players too.
 
This series win for Sri Lanka is just as significant as their 1996 World Cup victory. It's like adding another ICC title to their cabinet.
Sri Lanka actually beat Australia in the final, which India has never done. They also smashed India so badly in the semis that the Indian fans lost it and set the seats on fire.

India, Pakistan and Bangladesh wish they could do something like what Sri Lanka did in 1996. Downplaying that World Cup victory is an absolutely nonsensical thing to do that only a troll would.
 
India is not at full strength with the absence of Bumrah especially but it is shocking that they lost and drew despite having 80% of their unit.

It goes to show how much Bumrah really carried them in the tournament.

Both Australia and SA games were won thanks to Bumrah taking the wicket of Travis and Getting everyone at the other end out.

Although Klaseen shouldn't have gotten put next over so SA also chocked as usual
 
Pakistan has neither the cojones nor the spinners to give India raging turners and beat them on a consistent basis.

Sri Lanka, Afghanistan and Bangladesh are all better equipped in this regard.
The thing is until it happens it's just hypothetical.

You can imagine Pakistan losing and the cajones of Pakistanis to your hearts content in the meantime time.
 
Sri Lanka actually beat Australia in the final, which India has never done. They also smashed India so badly in the semis that the Indian fans lost it and set the seats on fire.

India, Pakistan and Bangladesh wish they could do something like what Sri Lanka did in 1996. Downplaying that World Cup victory is an absolutely nonsensical thing to do that only a troll would.
Let's not over-hype Australia. The Australian team of 1996 was not the same as the teams of 1999, 2003, or 2007. They were like any other team, and anyone could have defeated them in the finals.

Regarding the 1996 semi-finals, even a team like Namibia could have beaten Sri Lanka if Sri Lanka had batted second on a rank turner. Beating India in an ODI series is at least the second biggest achievement for Sri Lanka, as their current team does not match the talent and skill of the Indian team. If Sri Lanka were so good, how come even their legendary teams couldn't defeat India for 27 years?
 
Sri Lanka are second best Asian cricket nation after India and ahead of Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Order :-

Australia
India
South Africa
New Zealand
England
Sri Lanka
Pakistan
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Windies
 
Let's not over-hype Australia. The Australian team of 1996 was not the same as the teams of 1999, 2003, or 2007. They were like any other team, and anyone could have defeated them in the finals.

Regarding the 1996 semi-finals, even a team like Namibia could have beaten Sri Lanka if Sri Lanka had batted second on a rank turner. Beating India in an ODI series is at least the second biggest achievement for Sri Lanka, as their current team does not match the talent and skill of the Indian team. If Sri Lanka were so good, how come even their legendary teams couldn't defeat India for 27 years?

Despite the loss, India are still ranked no.1 in ICC rankings.
 
It's so funny, one series loss and in the group ppl started crapping about Indian Team and crediting only Bumrah for all previous success..just they forgot India won a T20 series in same srilanka hardly 10 days before..Also it's bcos of the batsmen and not the bowlers India lost the series. according to me it's an anomaly, the following are the reasons:
1) Toss- Toss played a crucial role. As the pitch was supportive for Batting in the day and over the course of the match worsened to rank Turner.SL would have also been in the same position had they lost the toss.
2) Combination: India is trying and testing new combinations and few decisions backfire d.it's ok to experiment now..we need to build team for the future..so some losses are expected and acceptable upto a certain time..

3) Lack of Practice against Spin: It's been long time since India played on complete Spin friendly pitches..Batters are more in T20 mode and their defence techniques are highly flawed..this can only be fixed by making Indian players play test/ranji matches in Spin friendly pitches.. Earlier playing Spin was our batsmen skill but no more and it's a concern which Gambhir need to focus
4) Rohit Sharma : I doubt if others agree, but Rohit Sharma's lack of score conversion is one of the reason.. Rohit in all matches gets good starts but his conversation rate from 50 to 100 is very poor.. considering he is the only performing batsmen among the team it is highly important he stays and play a long innings esp in ODIs..Also his captaincy looked lil rusty esp rotation of bowlers.

5) Virat Kohli: VK is more a old vehicle with Engine problem who performs on his good day and rest of the day he is a walking wicket.. India should start identifying the Replacement.

6) Siraj: Siraj's bowling is worst the whole series and he easily has given extra 30-40 runs which cost the games..

I'm not pointing other young players including Shubman Gill/Rishabh pant separately as it is overall a batting failure but players like Rohit and Virat needs to take responsibility and stay one side and guide them.
But I'm sure these are temporary and can easily overcome..
 
To those who think i have made this thread only to boast about India's dominance, then you guys got me completely wrong.

I was just showing how India has been dominant against subcontinent teams since past decade. I even proved my point using valid statistics.

I'm happy that Srilanka finally beat us in bilateral series after 27 years, but its game of many factors, any team can beat anyone.
But, dominating teams for such long period of time is achievement in itself.

I wasnt belittling other sides, i was just showing how it difficult for them to beat India even in single match.
Cheers


Having said so, one must certainly criticise India's ability to play spin and over reliance on Shami-Bumrah.
 
To those who think i have made this thread only to boast about India's dominance, then you guys got me completely wrong.

I was just showing how India has been dominant against subcontinent teams since past decade. I even proved my point using valid statistics.

I'm happy that Srilanka finally beat us in bilateral series after 27 years, but its game of many factors, any team can beat anyone.
But, dominating teams for such long period of time is achievement in itself.

I wasnt belittling other sides, i was just showing how it difficult for them to beat India even in single match.
Cheers


Having said so, one must certainly criticise India's ability to play spin and over reliance on Shami-Bumrah.
Even with Bumrah and Shami, India would have struggled as they were batting second under those lights on a rank turner in all three matches. The series result wouldn't have been much different.
 
This was an achievement because since 1997, they never won a series against INDIA and now they have done it, and that too with an unfit team and complete domination.

India was very poor throughout the series. Maybe they are just too much reliant on Bumrah.
 
Let's not over-hype Australia. The Australian team of 1996 was not the same as the teams of 1999, 2003, or 2007. They were like any other team, and anyone could have defeated them in the finals.

Regarding the 1996 semi-finals, even a team like Namibia could have beaten Sri Lanka if Sri Lanka had batted second on a rank turner. Beating India in an ODI series is at least the second biggest achievement for Sri Lanka, as their current team does not match the talent and skill of the Indian team. If Sri Lanka were so good, how come even their legendary teams couldn't defeat India for 27 years?

Again, if it was so easy then India could have beaten Australia atleast once in any final right? Also if you think that the 1996 Australia side was not that good I wonder what you think about the 2023 Australia team that silenced 90,000+ Indian fans and beat an Indian team that had arguably the most dominant run to a WC final in history.

Where Sri Lanka were in 1996 as a team and how they performed in that tournament was nothing short of remarkable. Including the final where Arvinda played an ATG and completely neutered Warne as Sri Lanka chased down 241 with ease. Indian fans whose team got thrashed by Sri Lanka in the semis have no right to cry about pitches or what could have happened.

Nobody gives a rats a$$ about bilateral ODI series. This is not even one of Sri Lanka's Top 5 ODI victories against India.
 
Again, if it was so easy then India could have beaten Australia atleast once in any final right? Also if you think that the 1996 Australia side was not that good I wonder what you think about the 2023 Australia team that silenced 90,000+ Indian fans and beat an Indian team that had arguably the most dominant run to a WC final in history.

Where Sri Lanka were in 1996 as a team and how they performed in that tournament was nothing short of remarkable. Including the final where Arvinda played an ATG and completely neutered Warne as Sri Lanka chased down 241 with ease. Indian fans whose team got thrashed by Sri Lanka in the semis have no right to cry about pitches or what could have happened.

Nobody gives a rats a$$ about bilateral ODI series. This is not even one of Sri Lanka's Top 5 ODI victories against India.
1996 Australia > 2023 Australia for sure.

2023 Australia got extremely extremely lucky that Afghanistan dropped Maxwell on 29 and that Travis Head came back and performed at the right time at the right place against his favourite team to bully.

Otherwise 2023 Australia was playing with alot of dead weight in Labu, Steve Smith, Marcus stonis, and even Warner was pretty washed up excluding his usual Pakistan bullying antics which he will probably be able to do even when he's 60.
 
1996 Australia > 2023 Australia for sure.

2023 Australia got extremely extremely lucky that Afghanistan dropped Maxwell on 29 and that Travis Head came back and performed at the right time at the right place against his favourite team to bully.

Otherwise 2023 Australia was playing with alot of dead weight in Labu, Steve Smith, Marcus stonis, and even Warner was pretty washed up excluding his usual Pakistan bullying antics which he will probably be able to do even when he's 60.
I honestly think that the 2023 Australian team is probably the worst Australian team to play a WC final. Its probably a toss up between this team and the 1987 team. And that's not even an insult. Its just a reflection of how good Australia have generally been. This Australian team certainly has nothing on the teams from the late-90s, 2000s and 2010s.
 
This thread is not about Australia. Please, stay on topic now.
 
I think you have to give credit to Sri Lankans, they dominated us in this ODIs. Agree that the toss helped the home team, but India should have shown much more fight. They are the no. 1 ranked white ball team in the world & are world champions in one of the white ball formats.

The first match could have been won had it not been for Dube & Arshdeep foolishness.

Gambhir made a big mistake by calling up Rohit, Kohli, Shryeas & Rahul for this series. Rohit & Virat hadn't played since the T20 WC final & Rahul-Shreyas didn't pick up bats since the IPL. No practice matches & you expect them to score runs in an international series.

India should have continued with guys from the T20 side with Gill or Pant as captain.

Also BCCI has prioritized T20s with India playing only 3 more ODIs before the Champions Trophy while Pakistan will play 14-15 ODIs in the same period.
 
The thing is until it happens it's just hypothetical.

You can imagine Pakistan losing and the cajones of Pakistanis to your hearts content in the meantime time.


It's not hypothetical if it's common knowledge. Everyone knows you can challenge India on spin friendly wickets if you have quality disciplined spinners. You just need to be brave. Pakistan has neither qualities. All they have are Shadab Khan's full tosses.
 
It's not hypothetical if it's common knowledge. Everyone knows you can challenge India on spin friendly wickets if you have quality disciplined spinners. You just need to be brave. Pakistan has neither qualities. All they have are Shadab Khan's full tosses.
Not to mention they don't have batters who can bat on such surfaces either.
 
Not to mention they don't have batters who can bat on such surfaces either.

Good point. Kuldeep has had a wood over them for such a long time. And they're way too defensive to throw him off too. Playing on such surfaces against India is literally the worst match up for Pakistan.

Only plausible scenario I see of them winning is a seam friendly wicket where their bowlers can run through our batting order while bowling first. And we all know how rare those type are in the subcontinent..
 
The thing is until it happens it's just hypothetical.

You can imagine Pakistan losing and the cajones of Pakistanis to your hearts content in the meantime time.
Pakistan is in no condition to beat any top side atm.

Against Sri Lanka they've had to rely on one off miracles to win in past games because Pakistan have no actual spinners and their bowlers are run machines along with a non existent middle order.

In the sri lanka test series the guilty party of Imam, Rizwan, Babar failed and collapsed like a house of cards, Pakistan were lucky that 2 debutant saud shakeel and Abdullah showed up and scored double centuries and single handidely destroyed Sri lanka.

Similarly in the world cup Rizwan and Abdullah Shafiq batted out of their skins to ensure victory.

All encounters against sri lanka have been extremly close encounters with them defeating us in asia cup 2023 and 2022. Pakistan has had to rely on one hit Newbie miracles batting out of their skins to win.

Their bowlers have been useless against sri Lankan batters and the main superstars, Chacha, Babar, Imam, shadab have been walking wickets.

Saud, Abdullah and Rizwan have been soloing sri lanka in the last 2+ years
 
I honestly think that the 2023 Australian team is probably the worst Australian team to play a WC final. Its probably a toss up between this team and the 1987 team. And that's not even an insult. Its just a reflection of how good Australia have generally been. This Australian team certainly has nothing on the teams from the late-90s, 2000s and 2010s.
Ik and I agree. If you read my posts all the way back to September in the cup i kept saying 2023 Australia is one of the weakest Australian teams to ever play a world cup.

However because it's Australia don't count them out just yet and they can easily take the cup( Note I didn't think they'd actually take the cup lol, I thought they'd get put in semi's)
 
Pakistan is in no condition to beat any top side atm.

Against Sri Lanka they've had to rely on one off miracles to win in past games because Pakistan have no actual spinners and their bowlers are run machines along with a non existent middle order.

In the sri lanka test series the guilty party of Imam, Rizwan, Babar failed and collapsed like a house of cards, Pakistan were lucky that 2 debutant saud shakeel and Abdullah showed up and scored double centuries and single handidely destroyed Sri lanka.

Similarly in the world cup Rizwan and Abdullah Shafiq batted out of their skins to ensure victory.

All encounters against sri lanka have been extremly close encounters with them defeating us in asia cup 2023 and 2022. Pakistan has had to rely on one hit Newbie miracles batting out of their skins to win.

Their bowlers have been useless against sri Lankan batters and the main superstars, Chacha, Babar, Imam, shadab have been walking wickets.

Saud, Abdullah and Rizwan have been soloing sri lanka in the last 2+ years
Before this series did you think Sri Lanka could win 2-0?
 
Before this series did you think Sri Lanka could win 2-0?
Ofcourse not, But if you were to ask me the question of

Whose more likely to beat India, Pakistan or Sri Lanka, MY answer would have been Sri Lanka.
 
Well there you go.

I think you have a point.

Pakistan would win just as regularly as Sri Lanka did against India, had we been playing regular bilaterals. An odd win sprinkled here and there in the midst of all the 4-1s and the 3-0s and the 5-0s that Sri Lanka endured in the last decade.
 
I think you have a point.

Pakistan would win just as regularly as Sri Lanka did against India, had we been playing regular bilaterals. An odd win sprinkled here and there in the midst of all the 4-1s and the 3-0s just like Sri Lanka.
India would still be dominant yes they are the better team.
 
Well there you go.
I understand your viewpoint but I'm telling you sri lanka is also a stronger team that can beat India if India doesn't have their bowling guns like Bumrah, shami and Pandya around.

Pakistan in 2022 were even against a much weaker Indian team that didn't have anyone, No kuldeep, No Bumrah, an a burnt corpse Bhuvi, An out of form rohit and a barely functioning kohli, Infact Pakistan helped get kohli back in form.

Sri lanka are a superior to team to Pakistan nonetheless. Pakistan has had to rely on Rizwan, Abdullah and Saud who typically show up against Sri lanka to win games.
 
Former pacer Tanvir Ahmed is backing Pakistan to beat India after Rohit Sharma’s side lost the ODI series against Sri Lanka for the first time since 1997, he said:

"You see what happens to the Indian batting lineup from here on in the future. The bowling lineup might work it out but the batting lineup will find it difficult. All the new batters in this Indian team at the moment, barring Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli, they cannot carry forward this batting lineup in the future,"

"They might score runs in their home conditions on flat pitches but on pitches where the ball turns seams and swings this batting lineup of India does not have the life to bat in those conditions. They could have scored runs in the first match, that ended in a time, could have scored runs in the second and third ODI as well,"

"First look into your own performances and then have suggestions on Pakistan. If Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli and Jasprit Bumrah do not play against Pakistan, Pakistan will beat India hands down,"
 
Former pacer Tanvir Ahmed is backing Pakistan to beat India after Rohit Sharma’s side lost the ODI series against Sri Lanka for the first time since 1997, he said:

"You see what happens to the Indian batting lineup from here on in the future. The bowling lineup might work it out but the batting lineup will find it difficult. All the new batters in this Indian team at the moment, barring Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli, they cannot carry forward this batting lineup in the future,"

"They might score runs in their home conditions on flat pitches but on pitches where the ball turns seams and swings this batting lineup of India does not have the life to bat in those conditions. They could have scored runs in the first match, that ended in a time, could have scored runs in the second and third ODI as well,"

"First look into your own performances and then have suggestions on Pakistan. If Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli and Jasprit Bumrah do not play against Pakistan, Pakistan will beat India hands down,"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Beat them with What? Azam Khan?
 
Yeah, by dropping him from the squad :ROFLMAO:
People have no clue what their talking about.

Sri lanka would have crushed Pakistan in these conditions.

Sri lanka has defeated Pakistan in Sri Lankan and spin friendly conditions in asia cups multiple times.

The world cup was in India on flat tracks (not taking anything away from rizzu and Abdullah, one of the few rizzu innings I actually liked and praise)

The Sri Lankan test series was won by newbies (Saud, Abdullah and Agha solo carrying) as the main party Imam, Babar, Rizwan did zilch.

Every encounter between Pakistan vs Sri lanka has been extremely close with Pakistan having to rely on players batting out of their skins and pure outliers to win with many of those batters not being a part of the main circuit until the last minute.
 
Former pacer Tanvir Ahmed is backing Pakistan to beat India after Rohit Sharma’s side lost the ODI series against Sri Lanka for the first time since 1997, he said:

"First look into your own performances and then have suggestions on Pakistan. If Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli and Jasprit Bumrah do not play against Pakistan, Pakistan will beat India hands down,"
Lol, why just 3 .. remove the entire top playing XI to better your chances :ROFLMAO:
These former players sometimes are true gems !!
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Beat them with What? Azam Khan?
Yep. Azam Khan is the only guy who can beat no other team than Pakistan.

WHat Tanvir said is a diplomatic statement just to satisfy his inner Pakistani. Reality is, India is ahead of Pakistan ATM.
 
I think we should not look much into these losses. India batters were rusty, most of them hadn't played any cricket after T20 WC & IPL.

Sri Lanka were lucky with the tosses in all matches, they would have not crossed 50 on those minefields at Premadasa had they batted second.

India were also experimenting, we will certainly not see Dube opening the bowling for India.

Btw Sri Lanka deserves this victories over their bogey team after the twin humiliations of last year - 50 & 55 allout & T20 series loss 0-3 just before the ODIs.
 
I think we should not look much into these losses. India batters were rusty, most of them hadn't played any cricket after T20 WC & IPL.

Sri Lanka were lucky with the tosses in all matches, they would have not crossed 50 on those minefields at Premadasa had they batted second.

India were also experimenting, we will certainly not see Dube opening the bowling for India.

Btw Sri Lanka deserves this victories over their bogey team after the twin humiliations of last year - 50 & 55 allout & T20 series loss 0-3 just before the ODIs.
Nopes, whatever be the case. The losses were reminiscent of the past.
1. No killer punch in bowling: A lower order batsmen carried Sri Lanka to respectable scores every time. Our bowling was toothless and couldn't close the deal and allowed 220+ scores, when it should have been ended at 150 something.
2. Rohit not getting the big daddy hundreds, quick fore 50s are awesome but where are the winning 100s in ODIs
3. Kohli: These were 3 chases in a row and Kohli failed in all 3. Is it case of Kohli playing passed his expiry like Dhoni now?
4. Middle order: Totally headless middle order. Where is the control in difficult conditions.

I have been pointing about the unidimensional nature of T20 teams of England and WI in the quest of high SR. India seems to be following that dumb footprint. We will have amazing strikers when conditions are right, but when things get tough not a single batsman who can hold fort, and batting falls like a house of cards! Kohli of old would have chased this scores with ease!
 
Nopes, whatever be the case. The losses were reminiscent of the past.
1. No killer punch in bowling: A lower order batsmen carried Sri Lanka to respectable scores every time. Our bowling was toothless and couldn't close the deal and allowed 220+ scores, when it should have been ended at 150 something.
2. Rohit not getting the big daddy hundreds, quick fore 50s are awesome but where are the winning 100s in ODIs
3. Kohli: These were 3 chases in a row and Kohli failed in all 3. Is it case of Kohli playing passed his expiry like Dhoni now?
4. Middle order: Totally headless middle order. Where is the control in difficult conditions.

I have been pointing about the unidimensional nature of T20 teams of England and WI in the quest of high SR. India seems to be following that dumb footprint. We will have amazing strikers when conditions are right, but when things get tough not a single batsman who can hold fort, and batting falls like a house of cards! Kohli of old would have chased this scores with ease!
This dumb attitude in the middle overs is due to us fans wanting our cricketers to do only maar dhaad.

There are hardly any people in the stadiums for bilateral ODIs, the T20I fixtures gets more crowds which have prompted the BCCI to schedule innumerable T20Is in the upcoming season. Ideally more ODIs should have been scheduled with the view on Champions Trophy but our T20 loving public will get what they want.

Wrong selections by Gambhir & Agarkar, Siraj has been playing non stop since the World Cup last year except the Zimbabwe series last month. The likes of Mukesh Kumar, Tushar Deshpande, Avesh Khan should have been included for this tour. Rohit & Virat who were holidaying abroad should have not been distrusted, instead Gill or Pant should have been made captain or Surya could have been handed ODI recall. The biggest culprit of all the batters are Gill & Shreyas who failed miserably in this 3 ODIs. Rahul can be spared as he had some injury after the IPL. Dube isn't fit for ODIs, even Arshdeep lacked steam after his initial 5-6 overs.
 
Lol, why just 3 .. remove the entire top playing XI to better your chances :ROFLMAO:
These former players sometimes are true gems !!
Let's look at the conditions:
Sharma, Kohli, Bumrah should not play
Perhaps Kuldip Yadav also should not be in the XI
Gil, Jaiswal and Pant must not be among the replacements
PCB get the pick the playing XI.
 
Let's look at the conditions:
Sharma, Kohli, Bumrah should not play
Perhaps Kuldip Yadav also should not be in the XI
Gil, Jaiswal and Pant must not be among the replacements
PCB get the pick the playing XI.

Tanvir said non-serious stuff here. Who says that if your top players are not playing, only then we will be able to beat you.

That is a mentality we need to let go of.
 
Sri Lanka were lucky with the tosses in all matches, they would have not crossed 50 on those minefields at Premadasa had they batted second.

That's such a sour grapes comment.

SL won because they played well. Learn to give credits to oppositions.

There wasn't any Bumrah or Shami to bowl SL out for 50. That doesn't happen daily.
 
That's such a sour grapes comment.

SL won because they played well. Learn to give credits to oppositions.

There wasn't any Bumrah or Shami to bowl SL out for 50. That doesn't happen daily.
Lol
 
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