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If YK does meets my criteria than I will definitely put him ahead of Sanga.
And how would you go with someone like Chanderpaul?If i'm not wrong, most people rate Sanga ahead of him.
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If YK does meets my criteria than I will definitely put him ahead of Sanga.
Chanderpaul is below Sanga and YK.And how would you go with someone like Chanderpaul?If i'm not wrong, most people rate Sanga ahead of him.
Chanderpaul is below Sanga and YK.
Everyone rates Sanga ahead of Chanderpaul and rightfully so.
And a batting average of less than 40 in as many as 3 test playing nations.
This depends on the quality of bowlers you have.
This more/less than 40 ave stuff is absolute nonsense. As if some 30 odd more runs in India, 40 something more runs in WI and some 60 odd more runs in SA defines a 12.5k run Test career. That sort of thinking is laughable at best. Averages 60+ in 7 of the 11 places btw. Not bad for a no3 Test bat (that too keeping wickets in a third of em) during a career spanning 15+ years eh.
Depends.. If the avg goes below because of lack of form or a bit low series or if the series comes during retirement then its fine. A failure like Graeme Smith against India or Dravid vs SA or Ponting vs Ind or any such failures due to technical issues or highly bad form throughout a series shouldn't be ignored. SA is one of toughest conditions to bat. Sanga's failure seems to be justifiable .His failure vs WI doesn't make much sense to me. And his failure vs India makes sense as he wasn't good facing Ashwin or kumble in Indian conditions.
This more/less than 40 ave stuff is absolute nonsense. As if some 30 odd more runs in India, 40 something more runs in WI and some 60 odd more runs in SA defines a 12.5k run Test career. That sort of thinking is laughable at best. Averages 60+ in 7 of the 11 places btw. Not bad for a no3 Test bat (that too keeping wickets in a third of em) during a career spanning 15+ years eh.
Has won and saved a lot more test matches than a number of cricketers unanimously considered ATGs so really don't know what the debate is about
I think that this topic has already been discussed to death. There is a reason why cricketers are judged on the basis of their entire career not just their happy phases.
Has won and saved a lot more test matches than a number of cricketers unanimously considered ATGs so really don't know what the debate is about
can't measure this objectively. every player is a team-man.a team-man through and through
can't measure this objectively. every player is a team-man.
I look at what his team-mates, particularly the younger ones, say about him. If a veteran is taking his time to help out a youngster then he is a team-man. Not everyone is this helpful.
that's tenuous.
what is fact is that he managed to alienate the whole team when he was captain.
Yes players were wrong and despicable to take oaths etc, but leadership is not just being the best player in the team (contrast Javed vs Imran). Its about carrying the team with you. Plus the nonsense he has been spewing about his place in odi's for the last year and a half.
Just your garden variety insecure Pakistani player. Nothing more nothing less.
He has his flaws and a big ego but that does not wipe away the time he gives to the younger players in the squad.


sure, so a team man no more or less than the others.
Do Afridi and Hafeez help the youngsters out as much as Younis?
A slap in the face to those who wrote him off
After one good innings all the disco dance performance on the middle of the pitch in 3 prior games is forgotten?
After one good innings all the disco dance performance on the middle of the pitch in 3 prior games is forgotten?
A bonafide ATG. Fifth greatest batsman from the subcontinent, behind Sachin, Gavaskar, Miandad and Sangakkara.

Lol at putting him ahead of Dravid. keep living in lala land.
No. he is not and thats partly not his fault.
He hasnt toured outside asia as much as some of the other ATG's have.
He has been trying to cement his legacy this year, because this year will determine whether what he has done over the last five years is not down to playing in UAE.
He nearly flunked the test in England, but credit to him for (a) recognizing that his joke of a technique needed to change if he is to play away from the UAE and (b) making England pay when he got it right.
My hope is that he remembers these lessons well when we get to ANZ.
We have a series against West Indies which i expect him to do well in, but hopefully he does not lapse to his bad habits there.
His isnt ATG but he is certainly within touching distance of miandad to be the country's best batsman.
Nopes he is not.I guess Miandad is under appreciated in Pakistan.YK isnt even an equal of Inzy.
Talking test only I assume. It gets subjective when comparing batsmen of different eras. But a successful 2016/2017 which leads to draws/wins against the stronger teams of the era, will put him on top in my view.
Leave Miandad,even Inzy has a better away record than YK,and Inzy played in 90s.
A bonafide ATG. Sixth greatest batsman from the subcontinent, behind Sachin, Gavaskar, Miandad and Sangakkara and Dravid.
:The only away country where Younis Khan has a ATG record is England.
Those averages in Australia are inflated by a one off knock played in some dead rubber, long long after Australian team were at their peak. The sample size is too low.
Younis Khan is somebody who is playing Test Cricket since 2000. That was the time when Australian bowling was at its best, scoring a ton in Australia was Gold. He had the oppurnity to show his class against Mc Grath , Gillespie, Warne which he never did. So by scoring 175 *in 2016 in a dead rubber, Younis Khan inflates his average and becomes an ATG in Australia?
Indian Batsmen like Sachin, Dravid, Laxman scored tons and tons of runs against ATG Australian bowlers in Australia to earn the ATG tag, and Younis Khan does nothing against the strong Australian team and scores a 175* in a dead rubber in 2016 , and becomes an ATG?
Which ATG bowlers from Australia would rate Younis Khan? Mc Grath, Warne ? You decide it.
The only away country where Younis Khan has a ATG record is England.
Those averages in Australia are inflated by a one off knock played in some dead rubber, long long after Australian team were at their peak. The sample size is too low.
Younis Khan is somebody who is playing Test Cricket since 2000. That was the time when Australian bowling was at its best, scoring a ton in Australia was Gold. He had the oppurnity to show his class against Mc Grath , Gillespie, Warne which he never did. So by scoring 175 *in 2016 in a dead rubber, Younis Khan inflates his average and becomes an ATG in Australia?
Indian Batsmen like Sachin, Dravid, Laxman scored tons and tons of runs against ATG Australian bowlers in Australia to earn the ATG tag, and Younis Khan does nothing against the strong Australian team and scores a 175* in a dead rubber in 2016 , and becomes an ATG?
Which ATG bowlers from Australia would rate Younis Khan? Mc Grath, Warne ? You decide it.
) I'm sorry but he's not in the same league as YK at all. YK is better than any test batsman we have produced apart from Sach/Gavaskar. He's on par with dravid i suppose.I am not a fan of YK myself but you're nitpicking way too match.
Scoring 175 against Starc and Hazlewood is not good enough? By the way, Dravid never scored against ATG bowlers in OZ. He scored heavily in 2003 when McWarne were not playing and on later tours. Those bowlers were not even as good as Haze/Starc. I'm sorry but this is a very biased post. Also Laxman?) I'm sorry but he's not in the same league as YK at all. YK is better than any test batsman we have produced apart from Sach/Gavaskar. He's on par with dravid i suppose.
He is an amazing test batsman but not ATG.
Should have played the overseas cycle last time before his reflexes went down.
A simple way to judge if someone is ATG or not is whether majority of fans consider him ATG or not.
This thread will take the usual direction though with one side vehemently calling him ATG while other vehemently denying it. With Younis Khan, there is no middle ground.
For me, his Galle knock was crazy (for the situation he came in). When you look at the scoreboard, it may not look as special considering that even Shan Masood scored in that innings but it indeed was a super duper knock. Had some of the test stars played it, we would have kept hearing about it till the end of time. His recent Oval knock was quality too which knocked the winds out of England and helped Pakistan level the series.
I'm biased? It's clear whose playing to the gallery here.
I was talking about Laxman's record in Australia, not in overall terms.
So, you are telling that Dravids match winning knock in 2003 was of lower quality than the one played by Younis Khan in 2016 in a dead rubber?
Younis Khans average in Australia was around 35 from 2000 till the last dead rubber which he played. Australia had already won the series, comes the dead rubber and boom.... Younis Khan inflates his average from 35 to 50 in one knock in a dead game and becomes an ATG ian that country. How easy.....
He is an amazing test batsman but not ATG.
Should have played the overseas cycle last time before his reflexes went down.
A simple way to judge if someone is ATG or not is whether majority of fans consider him ATG or not.
This thread will take the usual direction though with one side vehemently calling him ATG while other vehemently denying it. With Younis Khan, there is no middle ground.
For me, his Galle knock was crazy (for the situation he came in). When you look at the scoreboard, it may not look as special considering that even Shan Masood scored in that innings but it indeed was a super duper knock. Had some of the test stars played it, we would have kept hearing about it till the end of time. His recent Oval knock was quality too which knocked the winds out of England and helped Pakistan level the series.
hands down
Younis is one of the best test bats of post 2000 era in world cricket
tets cricket is equally important wether dead rubber or not ..some can just dream of the knock he played there....remember he was on his last feet there..if pcb did not arrange tours there when he was at his peak then it is not younus fault...
I'm biased? It's clear whose playing to the gallery here.
I was talking about Laxman's record in Australia, not in overall terms.
So, you are telling that Dravids match winning knock in 2003 was of lower quality than the one played by Younis Khan in 2016 in a dead rubber?
Younis Khans average in Australia was around 35 from 2000 till the last dead rubber which he played. Australia had already won the series, comes the dead rubber and boom.... Younis Khan inflates his average from 35 to 50 in one knock in a dead game and becomes an ATG in that country. How easy.....
Plenty of discussion on this already. No
YK is better than any test batsman we have produced apart from Sach/Gavaskar. He's on par with dravid i suppose.
Again, I ask.
Why not?
When he surprisingly meets most of the average critereas in the OP which really are a benchmark used by Asian fans to rate their batsmen.
Will be scoring scored 10 k Test runs
Tons in all countries
40+ average in countries like Australia, England, NZ.
Where do you think he's lagging?

Yeah, I am too lazy to reproduce all the arguments, there's a mega thread on this somewhere
Scoring 175 against Starc and Hazlewood is not good enough? By the way, Dravid never scored against ATG bowlers in OZ. He scored heavily in 2003 when McWarne were not playing and on later tours. Those bowlers were not even as good as Haze/Starc. I'm sorry but this is a very biased post. Also Laxman?) I'm sorry but he's not in the same league as YK at all. YK is better than any test batsman we have produced apart from Sach/Gavaskar. He's on par with dravid i suppose.

Yesyou are biased. You said the likes of dravid scored tons of runs against ATG attacks in australia whhen he didn't. Starc/Hazlewood is a better attack than anything Dravid scored against in Australia. How much did Dravid actually score against Mcwarne in 1999? i could just as easily argue that Dravid inflated his averages in australia by bashing weaker attacks and still he averages only 41! Laxman scored 1 knock against a strong OZ attack in OZ - 167 or so back in 1999. If you're gonna nitpick every record, then atleast do a fair job of it. also, YK missed a tour of OZ in 2009 because of issues with PCB. If you think a peak YK could not score in OZ then i'm afraid you're being extremely biased
