Islam/Hinduism/Sikhism- Which of these religion can easily assimilate with Western civilization?

[Romali_rotti]

@Cpt. Rishwat asked you to provide more and wider pics of the protest pic that you shared earlier. Meaning, there should be more pics of that one protest.

Interestingly, you posted pics of different multiple protests. One pic seems to be infront of a shop the other has trees. What are you trying to prove here?

Upon further research of the images you shared.

Image 1: From UK and around 2019
Image 2: From Germany and its from 2012
Image 3: Is from 2009
Image 4: From 2006

Regardless of the time period of the images, My point is proven Sikhs/Hindus assimilate better in the West than Muslims in general.

Wasnt a British soldier beheaded in the UK a few years back by a radical muslim? Wasnt Operation cobra launched to stop a muslim pakistani radical or radicals that went stabbing ppl on the streets of UK ?there has been a few issues with the Muslim community in the UK that you do not see from the Hindus/Sikhs.

If Sharia courts etc run in the UK it is a clear indication that a chunk of muslims do not want to assimilate.

The rise of ppl like Gert Wilders or whatever his name is from the Netherlands etc targeting muslims is clearly because they feel the muslim community is dangerous and unfortunately a lot of good muslims as a result fall victims due to the actions of other muslims. No political leaders in the West has yet to take stances like this against Hindus/Sikhs.

Again my point is proved Sikhs/Hindus assimilate better than Muslims.

 

[Major]

God damn, talk about getting insecure.

Regardless of the time period of the images, My point is proven Sikhs/Hindus assimilate better in the West than Muslims in general.

Wasnt a British soldier beheaded in the UK a few years back by a radical muslim? Wasnt Operation cobra launched to stop a muslim pakistani radical or radicals that went stabbing ppl on the streets of UK ?there has been a few issues with the Muslim community in the UK that you do not see from the Hindus/Sikhs.

If Sharia courts etc run in the UK it is a clear indication that a chunk of muslims do not want to assimilate.

The rise of ppl like Gert Wilders or whatever his name is from the Netherlands etc targeting muslims is clearly because they feel the muslim community is dangerous and unfortunately a lot of good muslims as a result fall victims due to the actions of other muslims. No political leaders in the West has yet to take stances like this against Hindus/Sikhs.

Again my point is proved Sikhs/Hindus assimilate better than Muslims.

muslim community is dnagerous in NL?

Ok, plz share us the crime stats of muslims in NL now

 

[Champ_Pal]

So if they hate the rigidity of caste why do they still follow it?

It is sort of their identity. This is why they put their caste title at the end of their names.

 

[Champ_Pal]

They may not follow it but deep down they must believe in it right? Otherwise the whole thing just unravels.

Maybe when India becomes a Hindu Rashtra these things will come into the open more.

There is no belief in caste system. No one knows or even read Manu Smriti in their lives.

A caste is an identity for a person by profession. The profession and the tools used in it are worshipped in Hinduism. There are certain caste based rituals and Poojas that only those caste people do. Hence caste is rooted in people's minds since their childhood. But in the past 30 or so years, it has changed drastically.
These days no one follows the caste traditions. They go completely against Manu Smriti. But they are still Hindus. The rules are pretty fluid unlike Islam.

 

[sweep_shot]

Well you share the stats that shows Gert Wilders doesnt think muslims are not dangerous. If proven wrong I am willing to concede.


P.S. I like how you skipped beheading of the British Soldier and stabbings mentioned from my last post.

So now over to you put up the stat on Gert Wildeers, cheers.

Does Gert Wilders represent Netherlands? LOL.

He is just one madman. An extremist man.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

There is no belief in caste system. No one knows or even read Manu Smriti in their lives.

A caste is an identity for a person by profession. The profession and the tools used in it are worshipped in Hinduism. There are certain caste based rituals and Poojas that only those caste people do. Hence caste is rooted in people's minds since their childhood. But in the past 30 or so years, it has changed drastically.
These days no one follows the caste traditions. They go completely against Manu Smriti. But they are still Hindus. The rules are pretty fluid unlike Islam.

The fluid nature of the rules is what helps integrate more imo. I thought they were suppressing the beliefs but I'll accept your position that they just change them.

For example that Presidential candidate Vivek is on the campaign trail pronouncing the trinity belief. Rishi Sunak reads passages from the bible in Church. Strange because Christianity is alien to Hinduism beliefs but they can say these things because of the alleged fluidity.

Do you think one day we will see BJP type Hindus eating a ham burger to sign a trade deal with western countries?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Does Gert Wilders represent Netherlands? LOL.

He is just one madman. An extremist man.

Well the fact he won the election tells you something.

If we get back to the thread, Is there racism in the West? Ofcourse there is but the attitude towards Muslims is very different to what is shown towards Sikhs/Hindus by the ppl of the Western world which proves which religions/belief's assimilate better in the West.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

British-Muslim family law and citizenship

Muslims in Britain marry, divorce, bring up their children and deal with death by resorting to a variety of norms such as Sharia law, English family law and customary law. The sole legal framework of state law within which western conceptions of citizenship are imagined is in contrast to...

www.opendemocracy.net

Cap, UK certainly has a problem in the muslim community with assimilation, you can deny it all you want on PP, however the growing anti-muslim protest on the streets etc is a clear indication of this.

You can pretend all this is fake and ignore it but in the future it will make life very difficult for muslims in the West, especially in Europe.

I am hearing there is Sharia courts in the UK? I mean what the hell ?? LOL If this is true good lord the Caucasians needs to get their rear end in gear and take their country back.

Imagine going to an Islamic country and trying to bringing in a foreign religious legislation, you will be put to death or thrown in jail most likely.....

You do not see this kind of behavior with the Sikhs/Hindus in the West, they just mind their business and get on with their lives mostly hence they assimilate well while we see a lot of muslims do not..

The only media that you produced which shows any numbers is the video made in Luton, even that is shot close up to hide the actual number of agitators, which I would guess is between 15-40 at most. Considering these are usually people who travel in from all over the country after social media campaigns, it still only suggests a fringe minority of zealots. I could provide you with media footage of larger numbers of violent hindutvas in Leicester which are far more recent. Is that your idea of peaceful assimilation?

why else would you be trawling the internet to post Islamophobic content which spans over 20 years.

 

[Bewal Express]

Well the fact he won the election tells you something.

If we get back to the thread, Is there racism in the West? Ofcourse there is but the attitude towards Muslims is very different to what is shown towards Sikhs/Hindus by the ppl of the Western world which proves which religions/belief's assimilate better in the West.

Let's be honest, Hindus have given up on Hinduism to be palatable to the locals. They see everything about their culture and language as backward. Sikhs have mostly kept their customs and that is admirable. Generally, us Muslims aren't embarrassed by our religion and our beliefs are strong enough to withstand current culture.

 

[Champ_Pal]

The fluid nature of the rules is what helps integrate more imo. I thought they were suppressing the beliefs but I'll accept your position that they just change them.

For example that Presidential candidate Vivek is on the campaign trail saying that Jesus is a son of God. Rishi Sunak reads passages from the bible in Church. Strange because Christianity is alien to Hinduism beliefs but they can say these things because of the alleged fluidity.

Do you think one day we will see BJP type Hindus eating a ham burger to sign a trade deal with western countries?

There are already many Hindus that eat Beef.

As of now, I don't think BJP leaders will eat beef for money. But things can change and Hinduism is very adaptable.

 

[JaDed]

Let's be honest, Hindus have given up on Hinduism to be palatable to the locals. They see everything about their culture and language as backward. Sikhs have mostly kept their customs and that is admirable. Generally, us Muslims aren't embarrassed by our religion and our beliefs are strong enough to withstand current culture.

The exact reasoning is what is used by Hindutva , I see many calling it Hindu renaissance and that’s why you have now hardliners and that’s the unfortunate truth of religion, it needs hardliners to flourish and hold the population.

Now majority Hindus can’t even think of that as normal.. does that mean Hindus gave up on Hinduism?

 

[JaDed]

I think every religion reforming itself helps civilisation grow but instead every religion ends up being more conservative.

I notice Sikhs becoming stricter by the day , They issued a notice against Lehengas during Anand Karaj and I find it regressive because no laws against Sikh men cutting their hair and just wearing Turban for a day.

So basically it’s always men.

 

[Bewal Express]

The exact reasoning is what is used by Hindutva , I see many calling it Hindu renaissance and that’s why you have now hardliners and that’s the unfortunate truth of religion, it needs hardliners to flourish and hold the population.
I completely believe in abolishing Hindu polygamy and now majority Hindus can’t even think of that as normal.. does that mean Hindus gave up on Hinduism?

The fact is that you can't fight the market. They are artificially trying to force people to do something they don't do or have any respect for. No one forces me not to drink alcohol, no one forces me to wake up at 4am for Fajr in the summer or starve for 16 hours a day. If something has no legs people vote with their feet

 

[Romali_rotti]

The only media that you produced which shows any numbers is the video made in Luton, even that is shot close up to hide the actual number of agitators, which I would guess is between 15-40 at most. Considering these are usually people who travel in from all over the country after social media campaigns, it still only suggests a fringe minority of zealots. I could provide you with media footage of larger numbers of violent hindutvas in Leicester which are far more recent. Is that your idea of peaceful assimilation?

why else would you be trawling the internet to post Islamophobic content which spans over 20 years.

Cap, unfortunately the native Caucasian population don't agree with you though.

Can you show me any videos of anti Hindu/Sikh protests on the streets by the native population?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Cap, unfortunately the native Caucasian population don't agree with you though.

Can you show me any videos of anti Hindu/Sikh protests on the streets by the native population?

There used to be some dot-buster protesters in your parts a while ago maybe you have been well assimilated since then. I'm sure there must be loads of Aussie Indian heroes portayed on screens to prove me wrong. Show them to us to prove me wrong.

 

[JaDed]

The fact is that you can't fight the market. They are artificially trying to force people to do something they don't do or have any respect for. No one forces me not to drink alcohol, no one forces me to wake up at 4am for Fajr in the summer or starve for 16 hours a day. If something has no legs people vote with their feet

The fact is they can, religion and laws are imposed socially or by force.Hindus were more “polygamous” before 1955.

 

[Romali_rotti]

There used to be some dot-buster protesters in your parts a while ago maybe you have been well assimilated since then. I'm sure there must be loads of Aussie Indian heroes portayed on screens to prove me wrong. Show them to us to prove me wrong.

Don't get your reply at all.

One thing is for sure, you seem quite butt hurt, but reality is Sikhs/Hindu's are not viewed as problematic as the muslims are the West..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Don't get your reply at all.

One thing is for sure, you seem quite butt hurt, but reality is Sikhs/Hindu's are not viewed as problematic as the muslims are the West..

If you are going to be so bothered about what westerners think, maybe you should concentrate on what they think of your own group rather than what they might or might not think of other groups such as Buddhists, Sikhs or Muslims. Or maybe there is good reason you need to deflect constantly...

 

[Romali_rotti]

If you are going to be so bothered about what westerners think, maybe you should concentrate on what they think of your own group rather than what they might or might not think of other groups such as Buddhists, Sikhs or Muslims. Or maybe there is good reason you need to deflect constantly...

umm yeah good post again Cap except for the deflection you brought in with the mention of the Buddhist.

So just proves my point Hindus/Sikhs assimilate better in the west than Muslims.

Well done, good to see we are on the same page, I feel like finally you are making progress and seeing the light.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

umm yeah good post again Cap except for the deflection you brought in with the mention of the Buddhist.

So just proves my point Hindus/Sikhs assimilate better in the west than Muslims.

Well done, good to see we are on the same page, I feel like finally you are making progress and seeing the light.

What exactly do you mean by assimilate if you don't mind me asking. What would you like to see Muslims do in order to assimilate as successfully as yourself?

 

[uppercut]

If you are going to be so bothered about what westerners think, maybe you should concentrate on what they think of your own group rather than what they might or might not think of other groups such as Buddhists, Sikhs or Muslims. Or maybe there is good reason you need to deflect constantly...

Don't YOU keep crowing about how Western countries are faar superior to India and Pakistan ?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Don't YOU keep crowing about how Western countries are faar superior to India and Pakistan ?

Well that is my opinion as a westerner. You are always welcome to disagree in any of the threads where I have stated as such.

 

[uppercut]

Well that is my opinion as a westerner.

because you have a British Cert and/or Passport? ... Pls Dont kid yourselves lol

But the very nature of this topic of discussion about assimilation of Islam/Hinduism/Sikhism with Western Civilization has to be evaluated based on the perception of the Westerners ( whether they are right of wrong ). Not the other way around. And going purely by the current and past events there is only one religion that is constantly under intense scrutiny .... whether you like it or not. So since the Western countries are all such great countries ( according to you ) you must accept that hard fact. Perhaps that was the reason for you to inquire about how you can convert to Hinduism in a different thread in the past?

You are always welcome to disagree in any of the threads where I have stated as such.

I would if you weren't a serial runner.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Hindus in the UK are much wealthier than many of their religious counterparts and there is no comparison with UK Muslims who are comfortably the most impoverished of all religious communities in the UK with nearly half of all Muslims in the UK likely to have experienced poverty (Heath, Li, Powell (2018))

When you are significantly more impoverished than other communities , you'll tend to cling on to archaic, obsolete and regressive value systems much more so as a social crutch and as a source of pride.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

because you have a British Cert and/or Passport? ... Pls Dont kid yourselves lol

But the very nature of this topic of discussion about assimilation of Islam/Hinduism/Sikhism with Western Civilization has to be evaluated based on the perception of the Westerners ( whether they are right of wrong ). Not the other way around. And going purely by the current and past events there is only one religion that is constantly under intense scrutiny .... whether you like it or not. So since the Western countries are all such great countries ( according to you ) you must accept that hard fact. Perhaps that was the reason for you to inquire about how you can convert to Hinduism in a different thread in the past?




I would if you weren't a serial runner.

Can you tell me in what ways you think the Muslims as a community have failed to assimilate in western countries? Of course western opinions matter, but they also can answer that if they feel there is something amiss.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hindus in the UK are much wealthier than many of their religious counterparts and there is no comparison with UK Muslims who are comfortably the most impoverished of all religious communities in the UK with nearly half of all Muslims in the UK likely to have experienced poverty (Heath, Li, Powell (2018))

When you are significantly more impoverished than other communities , you'll tend to cling on to archaic, obsolete and regressive value systems much more so as a social crutch and as a source of pride.

That's an ironic viewpoint coming from a nation which has voted in a Modi govt twice in succession.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

That's an ironic viewpoint coming from a nation which has voted in a Modi govt twice in succession.

That's hardly a matter of opinion and India is a very impoverished nation which voted a right-wing party so there's nothing ironic about it

 

[RexRex]

When you are significantly more impoverished than other communities , you'll tend to cling on to archaic, obsolete and regressive value systems much more so as a social crutch and as a source of pride.

Ouch, nikhil bringing out the whip today.

But there's a lot of hard truth to what you said. The lesser accomplishments a community has, they're more likely to excessively cling to the history and beliefs of their ancestors.

 

[uppercut]

Can you tell me in what ways you think the Muslims as a community have failed to assimilate in western countries? Of course western opinions matter,

I will give you some of the biggest reasons: The insatiable desire to demand Sharia compliance, outright rejection of freedom of expression( often violently ), countless acts of mass violence to name a few. Contrast that with the track record of any other Indic religions and you will get your answer.

but they also can answer that if they feel there is something amiss.

who is they in this statement ?

 

[uppercut]

That's hardly a matter of opinion and India is a very impoverished nation which voted a right-wing party so there's nothing ironic about it

What archaic, regressive and obsolete value systems is the BJP asking for and enacting legislations based on that ?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Ouch, nikhil bringing out the whip today.

But there's a lot of hard truth to what you said. The lesser accomplishments a community has, they're more likely to excessively cling to the history and beliefs of their ancestors.

Agreed. That is why it is quite instructive that Bharat is barrelling backwards to the golden age of hindutva with the likes of Modi and Yogi Adityanath at the helm. Should be fun watching that unravel. There again, maybe they have seen the success of the Taliban and want to create such a future for themselves.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I will give you some of the biggest reasons: The insatiable desire to demand Sharia compliance, outright rejection of freedom of expression( often violently ), countless acts of mass violence to name a few. Contrast that with the track record of any other Indic religions and you will get your answer.



who is they in this statement ?

In which non-Muslim country is there an insatiable desire to demand Shariah compliance? Can you give some examples.

Where is the outright rejection of freedom of speech? In which country? Can you give some examples.

As for Indic religions, I understand they only express violence at home against minorities where they have large numerical advantages such as in Bharat and Myanamar. Then they blame the victims. I do understand the principle though, mun pe ram ram etc. It is a better tactical approach.

 

[uppercut]

In which non-Muslim country is there an insatiable desire to demand Shariah compliance? Can you give some examples.

Search this "demand for sharia in uk" and read all the links that pop up to your hearts content.

Once you are done with UK .... you can substitute UK with other western counties of choice. Come back when you are done reading all of that and report your findings.

Where is the outright rejection of freedom of speech? In which country? Can you give some examples.

France. why do you think there are soo many riots in France ? Why do you think prominent Western World leaders are openly saying that Islam is not compatible with Western culture ?

As for Indic religions, I understand they only express violence at home against minorities where they have large numerical advantages such as in Bharat and Myanamar. Then they blame the victims. I do understand the principle though, mun pe ram ram etc. It is a better tactical approach.

Open a thread on that and I will promptly school you .... just make sure you don't silently slip away as always.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Search this "demand for sharia in uk" and read all the links that pop up to your hearts content.


Once you are done with UK .... you can substitute UK with other western counties of choice. Come back when you are done reading all of that and report your findings.




France. why do you think there are soo many riots in France ? Why do you think prominent Western World leaders are openly saying that Islam is not compatible with Western culture ?




Open a thread on that and I will promptly school you .... just make sure you don't silently slip away as always.

So your evidence that a demand for Shariah law in western countries is a search for a demand for Shariah law in the UK. Interesting though that you didn't actually answer any of the direct questions I asked you.

Let me put them here again:

1. In which non-Muslim country is there an insatiable desire to demand Shariah compliance? Can you give some examples.

2. Where is the outright rejection of freedom of speech? In which country? Can you give some examples.

 

[uppercut]

So your evidence that a demand for Shariah law in western countries is a search for a demand for Shariah law in the UK. Interesting though that you didn't actually answer any of the direct questions I asked you.

Let me put them here again:

1. In which non-Muslim country is there an insatiable desire to demand Shariah compliance? Can you give some examples.

Did you read the link I posted in my previous post ?

2. Where is the outright rejection of freedom of speech? In which country? Can you give some examples.

again did you read my post? Read it again I have named names. Let me know if you want me to simplify the English.

BTW I see that you quietly evaded the topic of Indic Religions .... not surprising at all. What seems to be the issue in creating a thread on your fav topic that you rant ad-nauseum in un-related threads and run away when you get challenged ?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Did you read the link I posted in my previous post ?



again did you read my post? Read it again I have named names. Let me know if you want me to simplify the English.

BTW I see that you quietly evaded the topic of Indic Religions .... not surprising at all. What seems to be the issue in creating a thread on your fav topic that you rant ad-nauseum in un-related threads and run away when you get challenged ?

Your link was from a survey almost 20 years old, that too probably biased considering the time it was propagated.

As for evading the topic of Indic (lol) Bharati religions let me correct you, please refer back to post #272 where that was addressed specifically.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Agreed. That is why it is quite instructive that Bharat is barrelling backwards to the golden age of hindutva with the likes of Modi and Yogi Adityanath at the helm. Should be fun watching that unravel. There again, maybe they have seen the success of the Taliban and want to create such a future for themselves.

There we go again our resident Britstani drifts away from the topic and brings PM Modi to the discussion.

Some of you Pakistanis in the UK are being totally controlled by PM Modi it seems, don't let him get into your head, learn to let it go, its not healthy..

You can fight it CAP, let it go..

 

[uppercut]

Your link was from a survey almost 20 years old,

So ?

that too probably biased considering the time it was propagated.

Prove that it is biased. Infact start by proving that you are un-biased. lol

As for evading the topic of Indic (lol) Bharati religions let me correct you, please refer back to post #272 where that was addressed specifically.

You addressed nothing. You made a blanket statement in post#272 and promptly ran away when I asked you in post#273 to open a thread where I could educate you (After which you started to avoid that topic).

 

[Romali_rotti]

What exactly do you mean by assimilate if you don't mind me asking. What would you like to see Muslims do in order to assimilate as successfully as yourself?

Not gonna give you any suggestions Cap.

If you look around, see the anti Muslim tensions rising in Europe and can't figure it our for yourself, then you never will.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So ?



Prove that it is biased. Infact start by proving that you are un-biased. lol




You addressed nothing. You made a blanket statement in post#272 and promptly ran away when I asked you in post#273 to open a thread where I could educate you (After which you started to avoid that topic).

So what seems to be the issue in opening a thread to discuss your fav topic that you rant about on a near daily basis in other threads and keep derailing them ?

Not sure if any point has actually been made here.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not gonna give you any suggestions Cap.

If you look around, see the anti Muslim tensions rising in Europe and can't figure it our for yourself, then you never will.

So you can't actually give any specific examples of refusal to assimilate. Thanks.

 

[Romali_rotti]

So you can't actually give any specific examples of refusal to assimilate. Thanks.

See post 279

 

[uppercut]

Not sure if any point has actually been made here.

Largely because your post to which I was responding did not have any meaningful points worth spending time upon. Entirely your problem.

So I see that you again expertly ducked this question(No surprises though) :

You addressed nothing. You made a blanket statement in post#272 and promptly ran away when I asked you in post#273 to open a thread where I could educate you (After which you started to avoid that topic).

So you can't actually give any specific examples of refusal to assimilate. Thanks.

I gave you directions to a "treasure trove" otherwise known as google. Let me know if you need screen shots to help you on how to use google ( which might be beyond your capabilities)

But here let me make this easy for you ... check this out:

Parliamentary question | Growth of Islamic fundamentalism, spread of Sharia in Europe and protection of EU citizens | E-006320/2017 | European Parliament

Question for written answer E-006320/2017 to the Commission Rule 130 Mara Bizzotto (ENF)

www.europarl.europa.eu

What do you make of that ? Let see the usual tactics roll in in this order: excuses, trolling, diversions, deflections and when all else fails .... just bolt from the thread.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Largely because your post to which I was responding did not have any meaningful points worth spending time upon. Entirely your problem.

So I see that you again expertly ducked this question(No surprises though) :






I gave you directions to a "treasure trove" otherwise known as google. Let me know if you need screen shots to help you on how to use google ( which might be beyond your capabilities)

But here let me make this easy for you ... check this out:

Parliamentary question | Growth of Islamic fundamentalism, spread of Sharia in Europe and protection of EU citizens | E-006320/2017 | European Parliament

Question for written answer E-006320/2017 to the Commission Rule 130 Mara Bizzotto (ENF)

www.europarl.europa.eu

What do you make of that ? Let see the usual tactics roll in in this order: excuses, trolling, diversions, deflections and when all else fails .... just bolt from the thread.

So your way to make your case is to advise to make a google search. Brilliant.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

See post 279

Yes I saw it, I asked for specific examples of Muslim refusal to assimilate and you answered you weren't going to give any. Presumably because you can't.

 

[uppercut]

So your way to make your case is to advise to make a google search. Brilliant.

Thats to prove how widespread the issue of fundamentalism is, Try doing the same search for other minority religions in Europe for comparisons.

But I did give you 2 links ... one of them was a question raised in the EU parliament on the exact topic.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Thats to prove how widespread the issue of fundamentalism is, Try doing the same search for other minority religions in Europe for comparisons.

But I did give you 2 links ... one of them was a question raised in the EU parliament on the exact topic.

I am not asking for questions raised which may be politically sponsored, or speculation of the same nature. All we I have asked is what is it that Muslims are failing to do to assimilate in western society. Can you give some specific examples?

You don't need to refer to google searches or post links, if it's really something you believe strongly then you should be able to present your own case.

 

[uppercut]

I am not asking for questions raised which may be politically sponsored, or speculation of the same nature. All we I have asked is what is it that Muslims are failing to do to assimilate in western society. Can you give some specific examples?

If there was no problem with the Muslim communities in Europe there wouldn't be a need for discussion in the EU Parliament. These people don't work based on speculation. Remember how you yourselves hold the western countries/civilization in high regard. You didn't expect that stance to come back and bite you ehh ... lol ?

Read that link again it answers all questions on this topic and names people and organizations and their acts. It even mentions date and place of a tragic incident (Barcelona 17-August-2017 ) in the aftermath of which that discussion took place.. It also explains how a small matter of 5000 Muslims in Europe who left to Syria and how many have returned.

Here is that link again: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2017-006320_EN.html​

 

[Romali_rotti]

Yes I saw it, I asked for specific examples of Muslim refusal to assimilate and you answered you weren't going to give any. Presumably because you can't.

Post 279

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If there was no problem with the Muslim communities in Europe there wouldn't be a need for discussion in the EU Parliament. These people don't work based on speculation. Remember how you yourselves hold the western countries/civilization in high regard. You didn't expect that stance to come back and bite you ehh ... lol ?

Read that link again it answers all questions on this topic and names people and organizations and their acts. It even mentions date and place of a tragic incident (Barcelona 17-August-2017 ) in the aftermath of which that discussion took place.. It also explains how a small matter of 5000 Muslims in Europe who left to Syria and how many have returned.

Here is that link again: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2017-006320_EN.html​

So you can't give any specific examples yourself as to how Muslims as a community have failed to assimilate into western society despite numerous requests to provide some.

 

[uppercut]

So you can't give any specific examples yourself as to how Muslims as a community have failed to assimilate into western society despite numerous requests to provide some. This is no surprise since you cannot quote from your direct experience, you are merely regurtitating Islamophobic propaganda which reflects your own hindutva ideology.

No need to reply to this thread I am not here to indulge saffron bots. I won't be responding to any more posts of this ilk in this thread.

Saw the dead beat stance coming. So essentially the EU parliament are discussing Islamic terrorism and integration with European norms for no good reason at all in your bizzarro world ?

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And another --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u931Y1zPVe8&ab_channel=CNN

Is that specific enough for you or you need more ? Let me know dont be shy

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Again we are seeing hindutvas posting videos or links highlighting an extreme fringe element and trying to pass them off as representative of a whole religious group. This can of course be done with every single ethnic or religious group anywhere, so for it to mean anything, the propaganist has to show that it is representative of the mainstream. This shouldn't be that hard to do if it is indeed the case.

Again I would ask, if you have evidence that Muslims as a group have failed to assimilate, please give your reasons why.

 

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Again we are seeing hindutvas posting videos or links highlighting an extreme fringe element and trying to pass them off as representative of a whole religious group. This can of course be done with every single ethnic or religious group anywhere, so for it to mean anything, the propaganist has to show that it is representative of the mainstream. This shouldn't be that hard to do if it is indeed the case.

as accurately predicted you back again with the Hindutva rant ? What happened to the thread you were supposed to open/bump where we could address that topic without having to derail other threads ? Afraid of the tush whipping perhaps ?

How does a fringe element with supposedly no support from the mainstream Muslim community by and large be implicated in such serious crimes such as large scale riots, running their own shadow Islamic courts, sending 5000 foot soldiers to Syria to fight with the ISIS, countless Terror attacks and the list goes on and on and then suggest that all of that happens without wider community support?. This has gone to an extent where the law makers and authorities have started to take notice and try and contain and fix the problem. Then there is the recent event of Geert Wilders who is un-apologetically Anti-Islam getting elected. Appears that the Dutch people are aware of the scale of the problem and the need to fix it.

Next, you claim that such thing can happen with any religious group anywhere. Ok. So why don't you dig up comparable dirt on Hindus living in Western nations ? For starters it should be easy to find atleast a few riots a few acts of Terror across multiple EU nations.
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Again I would ask, if you have evidence that Muslims as a group have failed to assimilate, please give your reasons why.

What does this phrase "Muslims as a group" even mean in this context ? Are you suggesting that unless and until 100% of Muslims are found guilty of not assimilating there is no case to be made against them ?

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[Romali_rotti]

as accurately predicted you back again with the Hindutva rant ? What happened to the thread you were supposed to open/bump where we could address that topic without having to derail other threads ? Afraid of the tush whipping perhaps ?

How does a fringe element with supposedly no support from the mainstream Muslim community by and large be implicated in such serious crimes such as large scale riots, running their own shadow Islamic courts, sending 5000 foot soldiers to Syria to fight with the ISIS, countless Terror attacks and the list goes on and on and then suggest that all of that happens without wider community support?. This has gone to an extent where the law makers and authorities have started to take notice and try and contain and fix the problem. Then there is the recent event of Geert Wilders who is un-apologetically Anti-Islam getting elected. Appears that the Dutch people are aware of the scale of the problem and the need to fix it.

Next, you claim that such thing can happen with any religious group anywhere. Ok. So why don't you dig up comparable dirt on Hindus living in Western nations ? For starters it should be easy to find atleast a few riots a few acts of Terror across multiple EU nations.



What does this phrase "Muslims as a group" even mean in this context ? Are you suggesting that unless and until 100% of Muslims are found guilty of not assimilating there is no case to be made against them ?

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I mentioned Gert Wildeers on one of my previous posts.

Just the fact someone like Wildeers can openly say he finds' the muslim community dangerous and they are not welcome in Europe and win the election just goes to show that Europeans have concerns about Islam. They are not targeting any other religions, if they did, it would be an anomaly and cannot be compared to Islam (what does that tell you?).

There has been a wave of anti Islamic movements in Europe, Germany, Sweden, Italy, Spain etc, Some muslims in the Europe just don't want to admit there is a problem and get all defensive. Well, they can get defensive all they want, as time goes by it will only get worse for muslims in Europe...

Time of need is to not get all sensitive, defensive, and live in denial behind a keyboard in the UK, it is to introspect and find why anti muslims sentiments on the rise in Europe, find the reason and solution for a stable future.

lol Sharia courts in the UK, I still can't get over that one......

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Lol, now the hindutvas are using Gert Wilders as their exemplar that Muslims have failed to assimilate in western culture. This is like saying, look Tommy Robinson doesn't like dark skinned people so this proves dark skinned people are a menace.

Let me repeat: until the hindutvas can themselves explain HOW Muslims as a group (not extremist fringe elements) have failed to assimilate in western societies then I will not be answering their posts directly.

 

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Lol, now the hindutvas are using Gert Wilders as their exemplar that Muslims have failed to assimilate in western culture. This is like saying, look Tommy Robinson doesn't like dark skinned people so this proves dark skinned people are a menace.

Gert Wilders is one of many evidence that were provided. Nice try and not surprised one bit. Nostradamus would be proud of me.

Let me repeat: until the hindutvas can themselves explain HOW Muslims as a group (not extremist fringe elements) have failed to assimilate in western societies then I will not be answering their posts directly.

No surprises that you brazenly pretend that soo many acts of intolerance is a result of just "Fringe Elements" when simple common sense would tell that such intolerant acts are not possible without large participation levels when the scale is so large and spread across multiple western countries.

 

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I mentioned Gert Wildeers on one of my previous posts.

Just the fact someone like Wildeers can openly say he finds' the muslim community dangerous and they are not welcome in Europe and win the election just goes to show that Europeans have concerns about Islam. They are not targeting any other religions, if they did, it would be an anomaly and cannot be compared to Islam (what does that tell you?).

There has been a wave of anti Islamic movements in Europe, Germany, Sweden, Italy, Spain etc, Some muslims in the Europe just don't want to admit there is a problem and get all defensive. Well, they can get defensive all they want, as time goes by it will only get worse for muslims in Europe...

Time of need is to not get all sensitive, defensive, and live in denial behind a keyboard in the UK, it is to introspect and find why anti muslims sentiments on the rise in Europe, find the reason and solution for a stable future.

lol Sharia courts in the UK, I still can't get over that one......

What really bothers me is that even the well educated and internet savvy individuals in this day and age pretending that this is all a conspiracy theory and worse play the victim card.

 

[Romali_rotti]

What really bothers me is that even the well educated and internet savvy individuals in this day and age pretending that this is all a conspiracy theory and worse play the victim card.

They don't get it and will never get it, watch how things get harder for them as the years go by.

Check this out;

 

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They don't get it and will never get it, watch how things get harder for them as the years go by.

Check this out;

thats a Really shocking video !!! You know something is seriously wrong when even Women are subscribing to this nonsense that too born and brought up and living in the UK !!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Gert Wilders is one of many evidence that were provided. Nice try and not surprised one bit. Nostradamus would be proud of me.





No surprises that you brazenly pretend that soo many acts of intolerance is a result of just "Fringe Elements" when simple common sense would tell that such intolerant acts are not possible without large participation levels when the scale is so large and spread across multiple western countries.

In that case it shouldn't be difficult to provide some evidence to back up your claims ( and no....sensationalist videos of a few rag tags holding a placard or an interview with an ISIS bride doesn't count as widespread).

For example, if I wanted to prove that India (Bharat) is in the throes of hindutva rising, I can simply point to who the public voted into office. The people of India chose the Butcher of Gujarat. They chose Yogi Adityanath, a crazed hindutva fanatic. This is evidence hard and irrefutable.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Just provide facts hindutvas. Or at least back up your own opinions by providing some insight rather than links to Islamophobe propaganda. If you want to lick Gert Wilders tush by the way, feel free to do so.

 

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Just look at some of the incredibly infantile language used by some of these hindutvas to "debate" in these threads.

"run away"!

"screaming and howling"!

Just provide facts hindutvas. Or at least back up your own opinions by providing some insight rather than links to Islamophobe propaganda. If you want to lick Gert Wilders tush by the way, feel free to do so. His opinions resonate with yours, I get it.

Geert Wilders is a Elected official - Hard Fact. Deal with it. His very open anti-Islam stance resonates with Dutch voters ... thats as official as it gets. Ditto for Meloni, the EU Parliament.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So the hindutva argument appears to be this:

1. A few rag tags have been videoed waving extremist placards hence they represent Muslims as a whole.
2. An ISIS bride went to Iraq with a handful of others and therefore she represents Muslims as a whole.

Can you confirm this is how you see it hindutvas?

 

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So the hindutva argument appears to be this:

1. A few rag tags have been videoed waving extremist placards hence they represent Muslims as a whole.
2. An ISIS bride went to Iraq with a handful of others and therefore she represents Muslims as a whole.

Can you confirm this is how you see it hindutvas?

Not few .... just countless and spread all over europe. Let me know how many more you need. Plus political leaders in Netherlands getting elected based on Anti-Islam stance, EU parliament officially tabling Islamic extremism for discussion are all evidence ... slam dunk. You can keep twisting ranting and indulge all sorts of tactics over here but anyone with a functional brain will recognize that there is a serious problem that needs to be addressed.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not few .... just countless and spread all over europe. Let me know how many more you need. Plus political leaders in Netherlands getting elected based on Anti-Islam stance, EU parliament officially tabling Islamic extremism for discussion are all evidence ... slam dunk. You can keep twisting ranting and indulge all sorts of tactics over here but anyone with a functional brain will recognize that there is a serious problem that needs to be addressed.

Why do you think I am ranting? Ironically this just makes sense.

Just calm down and debate rationally. I asked you and your fellow hindutva the same question several times and yet neither of you seem able to answer it:

How have Muslims as a group failed to assimilate in western society?

Let me help you on your way if this confuses you. For example, have they as a collective refused to abide by the laws of the respective countries?

 

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Why do you think I am ranting? Ironically this just makes sense.

Just calm down and debate rationally. I asked you and your fellow hindutva the same question several times and yet neither of you seem able to answer it:

How have Muslims as a group failed to assimilate in western society?

Let me help you on your way if this confuses you. For example, have they as a collective refused to abide by the laws of the respective countries?

I asked you to clarify what the phrase "Muslims as a Group" means. Does it mean that unless and until EVERY SINGLE Muslim is found guilty on charges of failing to assimilate you will continue to brazenly claim that there is no issue ? If not what does that even mean? Now is the time to elaborate.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I asked you to clarify what the phrase "Muslims as a Group" means. Does it mean that unless and until EVERY SINGLE Muslim is found guilty on charges of failing to assimilate you will continue to brazenly claim that there is no issue ? If not what does that even mean? Now is the time to elaborate.

Muslim as a group means the larger society of Muslims in any nation.

You still didn't answer my question:

How have Muslims as a group failed to assimilate in western society?

Do you even live in a western society to be in a position to give an educated view?

 

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Muslim as a group means the larger society of Muslims in any nation.

first Define what constitutes "Larger Society of Muslims" ? Is it 100% of Muslim Population or is there a cutoff number and how do you arrive at that ?

You still didn't answer my question:

How have Muslims as a group failed to assimilate in western society?

Answer the above question and then you will get an answer.

Do you even live in a western society to be in a position to give an educated view?

Yes I do.

 

[Romali_rotti]

 

[Romali_rotti]

Now this one I really like lol..

 

[TSA321]

Now this one I really like lol..

The political party wasn't registered in the end. 99.99% of Muslims in the UK weren't even aware of this attempt to register it. You're clutching at straws dude...

 

[Romali_rotti]

The political party wasn't registered in the end. 99.99% of Muslims in the UK weren't even aware of this attempt to register it. You're clutching at straws dude...

Yeah I am clutching with straws.

You still don't get it.

Whether it was registered or not is the issue, an attempt was made is enough.

Now to the thread, do you see Sikhs/Hindus doing this in the west? It is safe to say Muslims struggle to assimilate while the Hindus/Sikhs assimilate much better.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

first Define what constitutes "Larger Society of Muslims" ? Is it 100% of Muslim Population or is there a cutoff number and how do you arrive at that ?




Answer the above question and then you will get an answer.




Yes I do.

To answer your question, larger society of Muslims would mean the majority, or at least enough to represent as a group.
For example, we know that Modi represents as the voice of Hindus in India because he won the elections and is actually the leader of the nation as a result.

 

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To answer your question, larger society of Muslims would mean the majority, or at least enough to represent as a group. For example, we know that Modi represents as the voice of Hindus in India because he won the elections and is actually the leader of the nation as a result.

I need absolute percentage that can be considered as representative. Also how do we keep track of this percentage ? In other words as of today what is the Percentage of Muslims that is considered guilty of this charge and what methodology was used to figure out that percentage and who has a say in this decision making ?

Most importantly what is the yardstick to determine at an individual level if that individual is compatible with Western Culture or not?​

Or are you suggesting that unless and until there are Muslim leaders who get elected for being openly anti European we have no case ?

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Islam does not continue Judeo-Christian Culture. All 3 religions say there is only 1 God. But that God is quite different in all 3 cases. If we just go by 1 God thing, then you should include Sikhism too to the list.

Hindus do not claim that Britain should implement Caste system in Britain or Europe or USA. Karma is just a philosophy. No Hindu says that you need to ignore the poor, disabled and destitute because it is just their bad Karma from a previous life. Hinduism's answer to the difficulties in current life is the bad Karma of previous life. I find it very silly answer anyway.

No Hindu supports Caste system even though they still follow it. Any discrimination based on caste system is punishable by law in India (The only country that has caste system based on birth). Christian and Muslim politicians get grilled on LGBT issues because of their religions history of LGBT persecution. Till today no serious Christian or Muslim supports LGBT cause. Christians have softened their stand on LGBT significantly the past few decades.

Sikhism was founded on the hatred of Islam and its reputation relies on besmirching islam and Muslims. Jaddu is an Indo concept, no.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I need absolute percentage that can be considered as representative. Also how do we keep track of this percentage ? In other words as of today what is the Percentage of Muslims that is considered guilty of this charge and what methodology was used to figure out that percentage and who has a say in this decision making ?

Most importantly what is the yardstick to determine at an individual level if that individual is compatible with Western Culture or not?​

Or are you suggesting that unless and until there are Muslim leaders who get elected for being openly anti European we have no case ?

So if you need percentages to prove Muslims are largely assimilated, why do you post and approve your hindutva buddy's videos of a small band of extremists? Did you not think to seek percentages when posting from an Islamophobe viewpoint?

 

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So if you need percentages to prove Muslims are largely assimilated, why do you post and approve your hindutva buddy's videos of a small band of extremists? Did you not think to seek percentages when posting from an Islamophobe viewpoint?

This is about YOU not me. I want to understand how YOU go about deciding this as you keep saying that the vast amount of evidence posted here is not representative.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is about YOU not me. I want to understand how YOU go about deciding this as you keep saying that the vast amount of evidence posted here is not representative.

It's not about you or me. It's about assimilation of the communities mentioned in the OP to western civilisation. Do you have any thoughts other than high fiving your hindutva buddy over the posting of troll videos?

 

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It's not about you or me. It's about assimilation of the communities mentioned in the OP to western civilisation. Do you have any thoughts other than high fiving your hindutva buddy over the posting of troll videos?

Dude you were the one repeatedly badgering me on how the truckload of links that were presented were not enough evidence to convince you which is when I asked you to properly define what constitutes as a representative sample size so that we can have a meaningful conversation. So go ahead and respond to post#314 in YOUR words.


As for my opinion on this topic I have already voiced in the first few posts that I made in this thread. You clearly do not agree with that which is why we are here .... so respond to post#314 and I will provide you a detailed explanation on why I agree or disagree with you.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

For hindutvas to tell us in straightforward words how Muslims have failed to assimilate in western countries?