Islam/Hinduism/Sikhism- Which of these religion can easily assimilate with Western civilization?

[Cpt. Rishwat]

More like what the resident Jihadi sympathizer like you would consider as "Evidence" .

PS: Two can play this game of making disparaging accusations.

This is your problem you see jihadis everywhere because that suits your narrative. Ignoring the vast majority of peaceful and law abiding Muslims to spread your garbage because that is how hindutva propaganda is spread.

Now again...tell me how Muslims in general have failed to assimilate in western countries. What specifically have they done as a collective to make such a judgment?

 

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This is your problem you see jihadis everywhere because that suits your narrative. Ignoring the vast majority of peaceful and law abiding Muslims to spread your garbage because that is how hindutva propaganda is spread.

Its the opposite... you just see no problems when Jihadis are involved and will go to lengths to provide aircover for them

Now again...tell me how Muslims in general have failed to assimilate in western countries. What specifically have they done as a collective to make such a judgment?

I most certainly will once you properly define what constitutes as "Muslims in general" ... so respond to all points I raised in post#314 and I will give you a proper response.

Rest assured I will be here unlike you I dont run away from threads. My prediction is that you will never answer the questions posted in post#314 as being vague suits you well in order to protect the Jihadi agenda.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Its the opposite... you just see no problems when Jihadis are involved and will go to lengths to provide aircover for them



I most certainly will once you properly define what constitutes as "Muslims in general" ... so respond to all points I raised in post#314 and I will give you a proper response.

Rest assured I will be here unlike you I dont run away from threads. My prediction is that you will never answer the questions posted in post#314 as being vague suits you well in order to protect the Jihadi agenda.

The ones who aren't breaking any laws. Or perhaps you think that all Muslims are terrorists as per the videos you enjoy?

 

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The ones who aren't breaking any laws. Or perhaps you think that all Muslims are terrorists as per the videos you enjoy?

This is why I pointedly asked you to respond to ALL POINTS listed in Post#314. Try again and don't try your usual evasive techniques.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is why I pointedly asked you to respond to ALL POINTS listed in Post#314. Try again and don't try your usual evasive techniques.

Can you not give a straight answer to a simple question? Is that not the height of evasiveness?

 

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Can you not give a straight answer to a simple question? Is that not the height of evasiveness?

Because my answer will depend on the criteria/threshold we agree upon to decide whether or not any particular community is guilty of the charge ( of failing to assimilate ). Should be easy since you are convinced in your mind that there is no case to be made for the Muslim community. So why are you shy of posting that ?

So once again pls answer EVERY SINGLE POINT that I raised in Post#314 and rest assured I will respond to your question in great detail.

Here is the link to that post for your convenience read that and quote it in your reply: https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...ith-western-civilization.307011/post-12028369

PS: My prediction is that you will not touch that with a 10 foot pole. We shall see.

 

[RexRex]

Because my answer will depend on the criteria/threshold we agree upon to decide whether or not any particular community is guilty of the charge ( of failing to assimilate ). Should be easy since you are convinced in your mind that there is no case to be made for the Muslim community. So why are you shy of posting that ?

He did give you a percentage threshold. He said majority which means more than 50%.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I read post #314. You're asking such abstract questions that are meaningless.

Just make your case as to why majority of muslims in Europe don't assimiliate and if there are any holes in your argument, Cpt. and others will point it out. Post videos only as a citation. People come to this forum to read discussions, not watch long youtube videos.

Exactly. What does assimilation actually entail in western countries? That would be one important factor to consider as different countries have their own laws and guidelines for immigrant communities. At least point to some meaningful examples of a representative amount of Muslims failing to assimilate.

I could start you off with an example if it's too difficult: women in France who wear the burka in public places. That's failing to assimilate.

 

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Exactly. What does assimilation actually entail in western countries?

Looks like you did read post#314 after all !!. That's a good start. Now that we agree that a definition is needed why don't you tell us why you gave a clean chit ? What was the basis and how was that arrived at ( Again read post#314 )

That would be one important factor to consider as different countries have their own laws and guidelines for immigrant communities. At least point to some meaningful examples of a representative amount of Muslims failing to assimilate.

I could start you off with an example if it's too difficult: women in France who wear the burka in public places. That's failing to assimilate.

Its not as simple as that. Because you keep hiding behind the "Not Representative" non-sense.

So where is the response to post#314 ?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Looks like you did read post#314 after all !!. That's a good start. Now that we agree that a definition is needed why don't you tell us why you gave a clean chit ? What was the basis and how was that arrived at ( Again read post#314 )



Its not as simple as that. Because you keep hiding behind the "Not Representative" non-sense.

So where is the response to post#314 ?

I haven't said who is representative or who is not representative. But the videos you seem to think are accurate portrayals i.e. placard waving extremists and Shamima Begum are not representative. That much would be pretty self evident to anyone with a few brain cells because most Muslims would be locked up if that were the case.

 

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I haven't said who is representative or who is not representative.

finally!! now that you have realized that it is important to define that term .... lets see your definition. ( Again please read post#314 and respond to all points in that post)

But the videos you seem to think are accurate portrayals i.e. placard waving extremists and Shamima Begum are not representative. That much would be pretty self evident to anyone with a few brain cells because most Muslims would be locked up if that were the case.

Those are not the only pieces of evidence provided .... nice try though.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

finally!! now that you have realized that it is important to define that term .... lets see your definition. ( Again please read post#314 and respond to all points in that post)




Those are not the only pieces of evidence provided .... nice try though.

Ok let's try to get some first hand perspective. I line in the UK so I can give a fairly decent overview of the make up of Muslims here. Where do you live, let me see if perhaps you might have good reason for having a different perspective.

 

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Ok let's try to get some first hand perspective. I line in the UK so I can give a fairly decent overview of the make up of Muslims here. Where do you live, let me see if perhaps you might have good reason for having a different perspective.

it does not matter where I or you live. We are discussing this topic in the context of the Western world which is spread out across almost all time zones and many many countries.

 

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it does not matter where I or you live. We are discussing this topic in the context of the Western world which is spread out across almost all time zones and many many countries.

Where you live matters because it clarifies whether you are writing based on your personal experience or based on Google search.

Based on how you write, I am guessing you are writing from India.

 

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In west, there are many different groups. It is not just one group.

There are Amish people in North America, for example. They have their own ways of living. There are native/aboriginal North Americans who live according to their customs. Does that mean they are not assimilated?

It seems like some of the Indians have a faulty understanding of the word "assimilation".

Assimilation in modern world simply means being a productive resident/citizen of the country. It means working/studying, paying taxes, and following laws.

Only an unproductive/unemployed person or a racist person would think assimilation means something more.

 

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Where you live matters because it clarifies whether you are writing based on your personal experience or based on Google search.

Based on how you write, I am guessing you are writing from India.

So you want me to go live in every western country before I can comment on whether the minorities in each of those countries is assimilating with the Western civilization?

 

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So you want me to go live in every western country before I can comment on whether the minorities in each of those countries is assimilating with the Western civilization?

No. I didn't say that.

I am just saying you may not be accurately judge a country's situation, unless you live there. It is true for everyone (not just you).

 

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No. I didn't say that.

I am just saying you may not be accurately judge a country's situation, unless you live there. It is true for everyone (not just you).

You are saying the same thing again. Basically unless and until I go live in every Western country I cannot accurately judge each country's situation therefore I should not be commenting on this topic at all as I have not lived in every Western country. Correct?

 

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He's not living in India, I believe he is living in the west but probably gets all his information from Google search or his bookmarked hindutva sites.

Google and Wikipedia sites are Hindutva sites now? How about the EU Parliament website, YouTube ... these are all taken over by the evil hindutva people?

 

[Justcrazy]

Google and Wikipedia sites are Hindutva sites now? How about the EU Parliament website, YouTube ... these are all taken over by the evil hindutva people?

I think you need to tell what you mean by assimilation ? What you expect Muslims to do.

 

[Justcrazy]

There is no belief in caste system. No one knows or even read Manu Smriti in their lives.

A caste is an identity for a person by profession. The profession and the tools used in it are worshipped in Hinduism. There are certain caste based rituals and Poojas that only those caste people do. Hence caste is rooted in people's minds since their childhood. But in the past 30 or so years, it has changed drastically.
These days no one follows the caste traditions. They go completely against Manu Smriti. But they are still Hindus. The rules are pretty fluid unlike Islam.

Okay , leave Manu Smiriti on one side , caste system if found in other books will Hindus renounce and condemn them as well?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So you want me to go live in every western country before I can comment on whether the minorities in each of those countries is assimilating with the Western civilization?

Did anyone ask you to go live in every western country? We just asked for the one you lived in so at least we could understand your own personal experience assuming you have any.

 

[Technics 1210]

In order to assimilate one must be prepared to sacrifice their identity, culture, and ethos.

Monotheistic believers have an identity, practises, framework, and a codified set of guidance, this also applies to Sikhism, but Hinduism has no centric identity, no codified guidance, thus no unified identity, which is why it is easier for Hindus to assimilate in the West because they have no identity to sacrifice in the first place.

 

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We just asked for the one you lived in so at least we could understand your own personal experience assuming you have any.​

and whats going to stop you from dismissing that as an anecdotal data point attributed to one individual ? I mean you have already refused to accept far more comprehensive pieces evidences in the form of surveys, a lengthy Wiki page that chronicles all acts of violence conducted by your fellow co-religionists, EU Parliament proceedings, multiple video links etc.

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In order to assimilate one must be prepared to sacrifice their identity, culture, and ethos.

Monotheistic believers have an identity, practises, framework, and a codified set of guidance, this also applies to Sikhism, but Hinduism has no centric identity, no codified guidance, thus no unified identity, which is why it is easier for Hindus to assimilate in the West because they have no identity to sacrifice in the first place.

So how did that "No-Identity therefore no issues with assimilation" logic work out during centuries of Mughal and other Islamic rule ? for starters do you see any Hindus speaking Persian/Arabic in the subcontinent ? Worse ... a significant chunk of Pakistani cricketers ( and ofcourse most of the population in the Punjab Province ) speak Punjabi which I can assure you is a totally non-Islamic language. Ditto for Bangali in East-Pakistan.


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[Cpt. Rishwat]

and whats going to stop you from dismissing that as an anecdotal data point attributed to one individual ? I mean you have already refused to accept far more comprehensive pieces evidences in the form of surveys, a lengthy Wiki page that chronicles all acts of violence conducted by your fellow co-religionists, EU Parliament proceedings, multiple video links etc.

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It is an anecdotal data point, but this isn't an official survey, it's a message board where people from all over the world interact. No one is going to put a gun to your head for giving us the location of your western abode, it's merely to get some context of what you might be complaining about.

 

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BUMP

Here we go ... check this out Bill Maher on Death to Amreeka protest that even the ultra liberal folks are calling out. But yeah the usual suspects here will go pedantic and declare it as not representative.

 

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It is an anecdotal data point, but this isn't an official survey, it's a message board where people from all over the world interact. No one is going to put a gun to your head for giving us the location of your western abode, it's merely to get some context of what you might be complaining about.

It does not matter at all ... as this problem is widespread across the world. If my location is soo important to the discussion then it actually refutes the point ! But yeah I live in the US. What does that have anything to do with the topic ?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Sanatan is superior to Western-Arabic cults. It doesn’t need to assimilate as it holds its own since milleniums.