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Well, it is true that Australia played beyond their capabilities after losing the toss to England and were able to put up a solid total on board(280+ is always tough to chase).

Unfortunately, England couldn't get a good start as Starc looked in great form today and Behendroff was a surprise package for Australia.

IMO, it was an off-day for England which is why they were outclassed by Australian team, who although are a top team, without any doubt but England have already proved that they are a superior ODI team by beating Australia comprehensively twice in bilaterals and also winning against them in CT, although the Pakistanis showed them who the real boss is in the CT semi final is an altogether different story.

I still believe England are favourites and unless they have an off-day, they will go on and win the WC and prove that it is a myth that they crumble in pressure situations like the South Africans.

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Ab Fan said:
Well, it is true that Australia played beyond their capabilities after losing the toss to England and were able to put up a solid total on board(280+ is always tough to chase).

Unfortunately, England couldn't get a good start as Starc looked in great form today and Behendroff was a surprise package for Australia.

IMO, it was an off-day for England which is why they were outclassed by Australian team, who although are a top team, without any doubt but England have already proved that they are a superior ODI team by beating Australia comprehensively twice in bilaterals and also winning against them in CT, although the Pakistanis showed them who the real boss is in the CT semi final.

I still believe England are favourites and unless they have an off-day, they will go on and win the WC and prove that it is a myth that they crumble in pressure situations like the South Africans.

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Views??? stopped reading after the title says "It was an off day...":jimmy
 
Bla bla bla.

Check AUS WC record. They show up when it matters in ICC EVENTS.

ENG have been kings of the JAMODIS last 4 years.
 
This WC is a long race Eng will eventually qualify
And will play the final and can win if opposition puts them in
 
England are chokers. They never turn up on big occasions i.e semifinals, finals and games like these where points are crucial. Mark my words "England will not qualify for the semis" InshAllah Pak will go through. They only need to beat Newzealand InshAllah
 
Ab Fan said:
Well, it is true that Australia played beyond their capabilities after losing the toss to England and were able to put up a solid total on board(280+ is always tough to chase).

Unfortunately, England couldn't get a good start as Starc looked in great form today and Behendroff was a surprise package for Australia.

IMO, it was an off-day for England which is why they were outclassed by Australian team, who although are a top team, without any doubt but England have already proved that they are a superior ODI team by beating Australia comprehensively twice in bilaterals and also winning against them in CT, although the Pakistanis showed them who the real boss is in the CT semi final is an altogether different story.

I still believe England are favourites and unless they have an off-day, they will go on and win the WC and prove that it is a myth that they crumble in pressure situations like the South Africans.

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Post of the week material :bow:
 
Waiting for an on-day because off-days are happening quite regularly :)))
 
Mamoon I warned you about Australia. I'm sorry you fully deserve this humiliation. OP is well aware of Australia strengths and knowhow. You deserve the humiliation today.
 
Only on a flat pitch. England have been exposed twice now on pitches that had a bit in them.
 
World Cups are different to bilateral series, the best turn up to make history.

Aus are GOAT in World Cup, you can never rule them out. Second favourites for me now..after Pakistan :)
 
By the time England gets an on-day, they'll be infront of their Televisions watching the Final between IND vs AUS! :36:
 
Ab Fan said:
Well, it is true that Australia played beyond their capabilities after losing the toss to England and were able to put up a solid total on board(280+ is always tough to chase).

Unfortunately, England couldn't get a good start as Starc looked in great form today and Behendroff was a surprise package for Australia.

IMO, it was an off-day for England which is why they were outclassed by Australian team, who although are a top team, without any doubt but England have already proved that they are a superior ODI team by beating Australia comprehensively twice in bilaterals and also winning against them in CT, although the Pakistanis showed them who the real boss is in the CT semi final is an altogether different story.

I still believe England are favourites and unless they have an off-day, they will go on and win the WC and prove that it is a myth that they crumble in pressure situations like the South Africans.

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Absolute nonsense.

Fact is England played 99% of their ODI's in recent years on absolute dead flat tracks, and they are the best in the world for those pitches, but outside of them the bowling is exposed somewhat and the batting is massively overrated.

All this absolute hogwash in recent years about how they have "transformed the way cricket is played" " best in the world" yada yada yada.

Losses at home to the worst Lankan side in decades, an average Pakistan side and an Aussie team widely written off prior to the tournament.

They cant hack pressure and they cant hack proper pitches imo. To think a month ago in the Pak series I had journalists on twitter comparing Roy and Bairstow to the Aussie openers of 99-07 because they averaged more on dead wickets. Laughable
 
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It's not an off day - I've seen England collapse in a heap like on sporting pitches before. As I said in the match thread:

I feel for England in that they worked so hard after the 2015 WC to revamp their white ball cricket from top to bottom. Rather than prolong the careers of outdated seniors, they backed a new, young, hungry batch of talent which are the best white ball cricketers in their history. Their batting on true surfaces is freakish and combined with the raw pace of Jofra Archer and Mark Wood this team earned tag of WC favourites especially on home soil.

That kind of hard work and planning over four years ought to be rewarded - but here's where the sympathy ends.

If you cannot adapt to different conditions over the course of a six week tournament and are only capable of playing one way - you are bound to stumble.

ECB were foolish to constantly prepare graveyard 350-400+ pitches at home for 4 years in home ODIs and domestic 50 over cricket, and RARELY exposed their batsmen to SPORTING pitches. Yes results would've took a hit but you'd be BETTER prepared for a World Cup where surfaces are monitored by ICC not ECB curators, who produce more sporting pitches for global tournaments.
 
Australians in world cups are always favourites and one of strongest team. They turn up always
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Absolute nonsense.

Fact is England played 99% of their ODI's in recent years on absolute dead flat tracks, and they are the best in the world for those pitches, but outside of them the bowling is exposed somewhat and the batting is massively overrated.

All this absolute hogwash in recent years about how they have "transformed the way cricket is played" " best in the world" yada yada yada.

Losses at home to the worst Lankan side in decades, an average Pakistan side and an Aussie team widely written off prior to the tournament.

They cant hack pressure and they cant hack proper pitches imo. To think a month ago in the Pak series I had journalists on twitter comparing Roy and Bairstow to the Aussie openers of 99-07 because they averaged more on dead wickets. Laughable
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You missed the whole point of this thread try reading again bro...
 
Markhor said:
It's not an off day - I've seen England collapse in a heap like on sporting pitches before. As I said in the match thread:

I feel for England in that they worked so hard after the 2015 WC to revamp their white ball cricket from top to bottom. Rather than prolong the careers of outdated seniors, they backed a new, young, hungry batch of talent which are the best white ball cricketers in their history. Their batting on true surfaces is freakish and combined with the raw pace of Jofra Archer and Mark Wood this team earned tag of WC favourites especially on home soil.

That kind of hard work and planning over four years ought to be rewarded - but here's where the sympathy ends.

If you cannot adapt to different conditions over the course of a six week tournament and are only capable of playing one way - you are bound to stumble.

ECB were foolish to constantly prepare graveyard 350-400+ pitches at home for 4 years in home ODIs and domestic 50 over cricket, and RARELY exposed their batsmen to SPORTING pitches. Yes results would've took a hit but you'd be BETTER prepared for a World Cup where surfaces are monitored by ICC not ECB curators, who produce more sporting pitches for global tournaments.
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Have to say I've been vocal on my issues with this tournament but the pitches really have been a breath of fresh air and have already made it a superior tournament to 2015
 
What does it say about Australia that they are an average team and still win games so easily.

The winning mentality is infectious and the Aussies have it in spades.

Pakistan on the other hand....
 
Lol England choked in the 2017 CT and are choking now in the ODI WC 2019
 
I’ve been saying this long before the tournament and i’ll say it again. SR is irrelevant as the pitch more often than not the pitch determines it, Average is more important as it shows the adaptability of a player and will determine how often the team produces par scores.
 
1 or even 2 more off days and england wont make semis.
 
KingKhanWC said:
World Cups are different to bilateral series, the best turn up to make history.

Aus are GOAT in World Cup, you can never rule them out. Second favourites for me now..after Pakistan :)
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Spot on. The past does not matter, all that matters is the performance in 11 games.
 
Never mind England will have 2 more off days against India and NZ. Then we will make a thread about how England had 5 off days in this world cup. I see more chance of Bangladesh qualifying than England
 
This is not just one off day this is their 3rd off day in 7 match days. With the way its going even if they make it to semis you cant rule out another off day.
 
After three defeats this off form or bad day for England doesn't wash anymore. Aussies are much better then England.
 
Let's not forget that England was missing both Roy and Hales that is 66% of England's top order. With Roy and Hales, England will beat Australia 8 out of 10 times.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the first time England have lost 2 ODIs in a row since January 2017 - 60 matches ago <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvAUS</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1143565245845315590?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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That’s a pretty crazy stat regardless of today.

On topic, Aussies have proven you can never count them out. Everybody and their dog (:moyo) few months ago was like man look at this Aussie team without Warner and Smith, first time since WC 2011 they look whatever.

You can have the best batting, best bowling, but if you don’t have that clutch champion mentality like Australia, Pakistan and India then you’ll never win a trophy.
 
People can say what they want. If they want to have a good time at my expense, so be it.

People want England to falter so that they can say that they are chokers, but Roy’s injury is a massive blow for England.

The way ODI cricket is played today and especially the way England play ODI cricket, the absence of their main opener cannot be understated. He sets the tone for them.

His replacement is completely out of his depth as well. It is not like Rahul replacing Dhawan - Vince is not 10% of Roy. Hales is very good but he may not even play for England again.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Let's not forget that England was missing both Roy and Hales that is 66% of England's top order. With Roy and Hales, England will beat Australia 8 out of 10 times.
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Injuries happen etc.. this is where bench strength has to do a job.
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the first time England have lost 2 ODIs in a row since January 2017 - 60 matches ago <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvAUS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvAUS</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1143565245845315590?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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60 games that weren't in a WC.. that's the difference..
 
Mamoon said:
People can say what they want. If they want to have a good time at my expense, so be it.

People want England to falter so that they can say that they are chokers, but Roy’s injury is a massive blow for England.

The way ODI cricket is played today and especially the way England play ODI cricket, the absence of their main opener cannot be understated. He sets the tone for them.

His replacement is completely out of his depth as well. It is not like Rahul replacing Dhawan - Vince is not 10% of Roy. Hales is very good but he may not even play for England again.
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Stop with these silly excuses many other teams have won WorldCups without their impact players. Pakistan entered in 92 without Waqar he was at his peak and was destroying batting lineups everywhere
 
Mamoon said:
People can say what they want. If they want to have a good time at my expense, so be it.

People want England to falter so that they can say that they are chokers, but Roy’s injury is a massive blow for England.

The way ODI cricket is played today and especially the way England play ODI cricket, the absence of their main opener cannot be understated. He sets the tone for them.

His replacement is completely out of his depth as well. It is not like Rahul replacing Dhawan - Vince is not 10% of Roy. Hales is very good but he may not even play for England again.
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Your excuses are hilarious.
 
3/7 matches in this world cup have been "off days" then for the "best team in the world?" Fact is England are becoming the Saffers of this era, beastly in bilateral series but when it comes to performing on the big stage of the World Cup or any other tournament they crumble.

Even if you don't want to believe that theory the fact is this English team is not as good as some of the teams it's been compared to. (Australia of 2000's or even SA of the 2006-2015) They are simply to one dimensional their bowling is utter crap, look no further than the 4/5 times Pakistan hit them for 340+. Also on pitches that are not flat their batsman are horrendous no technique. Just go out slog at everything and hope for the best. That plan may pay off on the absolute roads England builds in it's home series but England should of been real with themselves in the past 4 years. Because in ICC Tournaments you will rarely see such roads. This flat pitch tactic was their downfall in the CT, and it is proving to be their downfall here again.
 
Hasan123 said:
Your excuses are hilarious.
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Lmao there is always an exsuse if your the best team in the world you should be able to replace a SINGLE player and still win. If you can't do that than you do not deserve to be called the best team in the world or even be talked about in the same breath as the Great Aussie team of the 2000's who would even rip England at their own game of flat pitches, plus they had a guy like Hussey who didn't make his debut till he was like 30 because of how much talent there was. Nevertheless Pakistan beat England with Roy, fact is Roy is no Vivian Richards he is a horrendous player against spin and he was starting to get found out.

But besides all that it's hilarious to think a team can go from the best in the world to 4/5th best with the loss of a single player. :))
 
QalandarFan said:
Lmao there is always an exsuse if your the best team in the world you should be able to replace a SINGLE player and still win. If you can't do that than you do not deserve to be called the best team in the world or even be talked about in the same breath as the Great Aussie team of the 2000's who would even rip England at their own game of flat pitches, plus they had a guy like Hussey who didn't make his debut till he was like 30 because of how much talent there was. Nevertheless Pakistan beat England with Roy, fact is Roy is no Vivian Richards he is a horrendous player against spin and he was starting to get found out.

But besides all that it's hilarious to think a team can go from the best in the world to 4/5th best with the loss of a single player. :))
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Roy is a excellent player but he would have troubles with Starc today.

His excuses are hilarious. He said that Australia only win WCs when they are favourites, well his favourite team is collapsing under that pressure. And that is Australian team is average.

Weakest Aussie team is still able to beat golden generation of England.

The know how of winning in WCs is vital.
 
Mamoon said:
People can say what they want. If they want to have a good time at my expense, so be it.

People want England to falter so that they can say that they are chokers, but Roy’s injury is a massive blow for England.

The way ODI cricket is played today and especially the way England play ODI cricket, the absence of their main opener cannot be understated. He sets the tone for them.

His replacement is completely out of his depth as well. It is not like Rahul replacing Dhawan - Vince is not 10% of Roy. Hales is very good but he may not even play for England again.
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Someone pass the burnol.

You have basically pinned England's success on one batsman, Roy. Doesn't sound like a #1 ODI team worthy of the WC to me, but rather demonstrates your lack of understanding when it comes to cricket. Past performances are not an indication of future performances - winner of this WC has to perform in 11 matches only - past is irrelevant.

Now be honest, what is hurting you more, that a mediocre team beat the #1 ODI team (again, first being Pakistan), or that your favourite team is in squeaky bum time mode?

Regardless, you can take your 4 previous years of bilateral batterings and rankings and file it where the sun does not shine.

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Like if Roy himself isnt a hack . Lol [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. Safe to say england can only play well on dead pitches. Had Afghanistan match been played on a slow wicket, they would have lost that one too.
 
Mian said:
Stop with these silly excuses many other teams have won WorldCups without their impact players. Pakistan entered in 92 without Waqar he was at his peak and was destroying batting lineups everywhere
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Luck is not favoring them either. The dismissals of Bairstow and Root against Sri Lanka were very unfortunate.

England haven’t played well so far, but you also need some luck to win a tournament too. Every team does.
 
Hasan123 said:
Roy is a excellent player but he would have troubles with Starc today.

His excuses are hilarious. He said that Australia only win WCs when they are favourites, well his favourite team is collapsing under that pressure. And that is Australian team is average.

Weakest Aussie team is still able to beat golden generation of England.

The know how of winning in WCs is vital.
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The worst one is that dude who created the thread saying this England team could blow out that Great Aussie team of the 2000's on their day. :))) That Aussie team would score 700 runs on those flat English pitches and against this batting attack. Plus England would not score 350+ anywhere in the world against that Aussie bowling line-up. So disrespectful to even mention this English team in the same breath as that Aussie team.
 
Mamoon said:
Luck is not favoring them either. The dismissals of Bairstow and Root against Sri Lanka were very unfortunate.

England haven’t played well so far, but you also need some luck to win a tournament too. Every team does.
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Overrated Aussies won the WC without Shane Warne. Your favourite team can’t even beat Sri Lanka without Jason Roy according to you.
 
soulhunter said:
Like if Roy himself isnt a hack . Lol [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. Safe to say england can only play well on dead pitches. Had Afghanistan match been played on a slow wicket, they would have lost that one too.
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He isn’t. He is an outstanding opener who is performing at a high level.
 
The type of cricket England play isn't type that wins WCs.

Australia are something else, those guys always seem to peak in WCs irrespective of form in between WCs.

I think India are most likely going to win the WC if they beat England.
 
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I can see the headlines now . . . .

A team other than England or India winning the World Cup - it's a fluke!

England or India winning the World Cup, a well deserved victory!



:))) :))) :)))
 
Jason Roy is a very good limited overs player but facing Starc, Cummins and Behendroff with a scoreboard pressure of 280+ against a new ball in a WC match against the historical rivals will always be a tough deal.

Aside from Roy, England still had the luxury of Root, Buttler, Bairstow, Stokes and Morgan who have already shown in the bilaterals how dangerous they can be as a unit.

Alex Hales should not be even mentioned. I am not sure he makes into the XI as Bairstow and Roy would have been default openers for England.

Luck is something we can associate with South Africa who were on course to get 375 in 50 overs against NZ in WC 2015 semis but rain shattered things for them. Eventually, luck and other stuffs don't really count and it's the ability to raise your standards in big tournament which South Africa and England both have lacked and could learn from India and Australia.
 
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Overrated Aussies won the WC without Shane Warne. Your favourite team can’t even beat Sri Lanka without Jason Roy according to you.
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That Australian team was not overrated, it was arguably the greatest of all time. False comparison.
 
THREE mediocre teams have beaten #1 ODI team in the WC, and Roy me boy was playing in 1 of the matches, yup you guessed it, vs Pakistan.

Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Australia.

There's more, the first team to qualify for the KO stage is mediocre Australia! :))) :))) :)))
 
A full strength Australian team is inferior to England and India, but still comfortably better than circus teams like Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

England losing to Australia is definitely not a fluke. They were outplayed today - Australian bowlers bowled better lengths, and the likes of Morgan and Bairstow played rash strokes. Obviously, Roy’s injury is a massive blow, but the other players except Stokes didn’t cover themselves in glory either.
 
Mamoon said:
A full strength Australian team is inferior to England and India, but still comfortably better than circus teams like Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

England losing to Australia is definitely not a fluke. They were outplayed today - Australian bowlers bowled better lengths, and the likes of Morgan and Bairstow played rash strokes. Obviously, Roy’s injury is a massive blow, but the other players except Stokes didn’t cover themselves in glory either.
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Your favourites lost to 2 circus teams on the big stage :))) what does that make them. God I feel sorry for all English cricket fans
 
This is not your regular Bilateral series OP. AUS in a WC, you have to be insane to not take them seriously, regardless of what team they field. ENG can bark all they want before a WC begins, comes WC, choking starts. Last WC, they were knocked out by BD, BD were not even as good as they are today. That should tell alot. AUS, went on to win it.
 
Mamoon said:
A full strength Australian team is inferior to England and India, but still comfortably better than circus teams like Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

England losing to Australia is definitely not a fluke. They were outplayed today - Australian bowlers bowled better lengths, and the likes of Morgan and Bairstow played rash strokes. Obviously, Roy’s injury is a massive blow, but the other players except Stokes didn’t cover themselves in glory either.
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If i am not wrong England lost twice in a row to one of the circus team at home ground when it mattered most? CT17, WC19
 
So there we have it.

An inferior team (Australia) beat England today (Note the change from mediocre to inferior), as did 2 circus teams Pakistan and Sri Lanka (Note the change from mediocre to circus)! But the 2 circus teams were lucky, Aussies played well despite being inferior, but no, said victories were all flukes, and England were just unlucky and outplayed on THREE bad days but are still worthy of the #1 ODI ranking!

Can we please save this thread for prosperity!?
 
Mamoon said:
That Australian team was not overrated, it was arguably the greatest of all time. False comparison.
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It’s just to show you that you can still win a tournament without a key player.

LOL I’ll never call Australia. It’s a reference to what you said about them being overrated.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Absolute nonsense.

Fact is England played 99% of their ODI's in recent years on absolute dead flat tracks, and they are the best in the world for those pitches, but outside of them the bowling is exposed somewhat and the batting is massively overrated.

All this absolute hogwash in recent years about how they have "transformed the way cricket is played" " best in the world" yada yada yada.

Losses at home to the worst Lankan side in decades, an average Pakistan side and an Aussie team widely written off prior to the tournament.

They cant hack pressure and they cant hack proper pitches imo. To think a month ago in the Pak series I had journalists on twitter comparing Roy and Bairstow to the Aussie openers of 99-07 because they averaged more on dead wickets. Laughable
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True, if the ball is not coming straight off the pitch, they have difficulty swinging through the line of the ball. Even Nasser Hussain eluded to it previously.

That is exactly the reason, why they lobbied to convert 50 overs game to 40 overs game in ODI cricket so they don't have to worry about singles and strike rotation. Luckily they have not been successful in their efforts unlike getting the two new balls one from each end policy introduced. It has been so detrimental to sub continent teams and I consider this as a primary reason for Umar Gul's exit from ODI cricket.
 
On pitches they curate England are the best...ie a dead road with 0 assistance for the bowlers...

Any pitch which offers the bowlers an iota of assistance becomes a whole different beast hence their defeat to us, Sri Lanka and now Australia...

I'd be shocked if they got to the semis to be frank...either us, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka to take that 4th spot...

There is a reason England are excellent in home bilateral series...but cant perform in tournaments...they dont set the pitches...and cos they arent accustomed to batting under pressure they dont have the metal to do it when the pitches are tough...
 
Yes was an off day but also they were badly exposed!

There team are absolute juggernaut on flat pitches but when there is something in the pitch there batting and bowling gets badly exposed!

England also made a blunder today by not picking Liam plucket.

Also what people are not realising there is different winning bi lateral series and chasing down a target in a World Cup

I give England a 30% chance to qualify there only hope is too bar first against India , I do not trust them to chase anything above 270
 
shaykh said:
On pitches they curate England are the best...ie a dead road with 0 assistance for the bowlers...

Any pitch which offers the bowlers an iota of assistance becomes a whole different beast hence their defeat to us, Sri Lanka and now Australia...

I'd be shocked if they got to the semis to be frank...either us, Bangladesh or Sri Lanka to take that 4th spot...

There is a reason England are excellent in home bilateral series...but cant perform in tournaments...they dont set the pitches...and cos they arent accustomed to batting under pressure they dont have the metal to do it when the pitches are tough...
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Normally the criticism set for Pakistani players and how they need to play county cricket
Reminds me of Jimmy Anderson in 2003
Now England would love a bowler like him at the minute
 
Erm No!!
No off day, just outplayed by the defending champions.
 
No they are not.. they are one dimensional and too be honest.. true chokers.south African teams never turned up.england showed promise and choked big time.just like their football
 
off day against Pakistan,off day against Srilanka,off day now....Im fully predicting a loss to NZ and India as well.
I am not too confident of Pakistans chances against NZ either.
 
Surya Kiran said:
True, if the ball is not coming straight off the pitch, they have difficulty swinging through the line of the ball. Even Nasser Hussain eluded to it previously.

That is exactly the reason, why they lobbied to convert 50 overs game to 40 overs game in ODI cricket so they don't have to worry about singles and strike rotation. Luckily they have not been successful in their efforts unlike getting the two new balls one from each end policy introduced. It has been so detrimental to sub continent teams and I consider this as a primary reason for Umar Gul's exit from ODI cricket.
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offcourse,agreed with the new ball thing.A lot of Pakistani pacers decline is due to absence of reverse swing.Even now when ball reverses Wahab looks a different bowler.
 
Looks like we will win another WC to take it to 6, we are a sporting nation for a small country in terms of population size we do well at almost every sport we compete in, even tennis.

For example, we even qualify for the football World Cup and countries that are much larger than us still can't even do that.

Not many countries can do that.
 
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Donal Cozzie said:
Absolute nonsense.

Fact is England played 99% of their ODI's in recent years on absolute dead flat tracks, and they are the best in the world for those pitches, but outside of them the bowling is exposed somewhat and the batting is massively overrated.

All this absolute hogwash in recent years about how they have "transformed the way cricket is played" " best in the world" yada yada yada.

Losses at home to the worst Lankan side in decades, an average Pakistan side and an Aussie team widely written off prior to the tournament.

They cant hack pressure and they cant hack proper pitches imo. To think a month ago in the Pak series I had journalists on twitter comparing Roy and Bairstow to the Aussie openers of 99-07 because they averaged more on dead wickets. Laughable
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“There are players who seriously damaged Pakistan’s image and were punished for it, yet they are now key members of the national team": Umar Akmal
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Ricky Ponting would have punched Akash Deep had India pacer given him a Ben Duckett-like send-off
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Has the ongoing England vs India series been a PR disaster for Jasprit Bumrah?
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