It was an off day for England, they are a better ODI team than Australia

[James]

In terms of England’s losses - the Pakistan game was a humdinger and either team could have won it, no complaints there; but England got outplayed and humiliated by both Sri Lanka and Australia. It is not really relevant how good England supposedly are - because they are not performing when it matters.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

England's team may be explosive and may even score 600 in an ODI but even when they hit these big boundaries and sixes, they are still extremely unattractive to watch. Very robotic team that looks like they do just what the data tells them. Look at the way Morgan defended the lengths bowled by his seamers. Why would you even want to bowl short of a length or short on a wickets that's offering you a lot on that in-between length? And this after choosing to bowl first on this wicket!

Morgan talks about ICC tournaments having slow pitches but maintains that the English batting mantra is continuously evolving. Oh really? Then why is it that England have consistently lost matches when there isn't sufficient pace for their extravagant strokeplay. That SL match was ,objectively, the slowest pitch in England since CT 2017.

 

[dildilpak]

England's team may be explosive and may even score 600 in an ODI but even when they hit these big boundaries and sixes, they are still extremely unattractive to watch. Very robotic team that looks like they do just what the data tells them. Look at the way Morgan defended the lengths bowled by his seamers. Why would you even want to bowl short of a length or short on a wickets that's offering you a lot on that in-between length? And this after choosing to bowl first on this wicket!

Morgan talks about ICC tournaments having slow pitches but maintains that the English batting mantra is continuously evolving. Oh really? Then why is it that England have consistently lost matches when there isn't sufficient pace for their extravagant strokeplay. That SL match was ,objectively, the slowest pitch in England since CT 2017.

And not just slow pitches, England now seems to have problems with seam/swing friendly conditions too. The match today was not lost when the batsmen failed to chase under swing friendly conditions but when their bowlers so badly in the first hour of play- bowling short of length on that pitch was criminal!

The reason probably England is top of the rankings is they are FTB who feast on the standardized flat track one-day pitches offered these days around the world - any deviation is enough to expose the underlying weaknesses in the arguably ‘greatest’ one-day batting lineup. Good on ICC to have offered more sporting wickets this world cup- better contest between bat & ball then expected.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

And not just slow pitches, England now seems to have problems with seam/swing friendly conditions too. The match today was not lost when the batsmen failed to chase under swing friendly conditions but when their bowlers so badly in the first hour of play- bowling short of length on that pitch was criminal!

The reason probably England is top of the rankings is they are FTB who feast on the standardized flat track one-day pitches offered these days around the world - any deviation is enough to expose the underlying weaknesses in the arguably ‘greatest’ one-day batting lineup. Good on ICC to have offered more sporting wickets this world cup- better contest between bat & ball then expected.

Agreed. Except for SL match , I don't think pitches have been that slow either .

 

[wrongun]

And not just slow pitches, England now seems to have problems with seam/swing friendly conditions too. The match today was not lost when the batsmen failed to chase under swing friendly conditions but when their bowlers so badly in the first hour of play- bowling short of length on that pitch was criminal!

The reason probably England is top of the rankings is they are FTB who feast on the standardized flat track one-day pitches offered these days around the world - any deviation is enough to expose the underlying weaknesses in the arguably ‘greatest’ one-day batting lineup. Good on ICC to have offered more sporting wickets this world cup- better contest between bat & ball then expected.

Good thing about a WC over weeks is you see some variation in pitches.

I don't think ICC gets credit for producing seaming tracks in England though- the groundsmen are on board with the local teams desire for flat, relatively hard (dry) pitches- but it rains regularly for 2 weeks & there's just not the chance to do that.

 

[jiduguravindra]

Two more off days then they are out of wc.Then every day is off day for them

 

[dildilpak]

Good thing about a WC over weeks is you see some variation in pitches.

I don't think ICC gets credit for producing seaming tracks in England though- the groundsmen are on board with the local teams desire for flat, relatively hard (dry) pitches- but it rains regularly for 2 weeks & there's just not the chance to do that.

Along with the weather Gods credit should also be given to ICC team & curators for not shaving off all the grass on the pitch - enough evidence from the bilaterals to know the Eng preference for flat tracks.

 

[Ozeirk]

That series against Pakistan gave them false sense of security considering the pitches were also tailor made for England style of play. It benefited Pakistan however as they were able to get a win against England due to the early exposure to English players and their style of play. Ironically, the pitch that Pakistan defeated them on was also a flat pitch that suited englands style of play.

 

[Robert]

The old frailties seem to be resurfacing at just the wrong time. This side beat Australia 5-0 last year.

Losing Roy is a big blow psychologically and Bairstow seems to have responded by going into his shell.

I didn’t watch the match but it seems that Woakes bowled very well but was unlucky.

 

[latecut]

England has become like South Africa of 1990s, unbeatable in bilateral series but failing in pressure matches in ICC tournaments. Based on their achievements of chasing very high totals in bilateral ODI matches, England thought that they would be able to do the same in world cup as well.

Their arrogance, and their inability to distinguish bilateral matches from world cup matches has proved to be their undoing. In this world cup , they won the toss and decided to field against Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Australia, and failed to chase totals that they used to routinely chase in bilateral matches against the same teams. Serves them well.

 

[jnaveen1980]

A good ODI side adapts itself to various demands. All conquering Australian side was a perfect side? No. In 2003 atleast they suffered a serious batting collapses. A tailender Bichel saved them with bat. They scratched around and put up a small total. Then went ahead and defended it both times. Against Pakistan they were 146/5. Symonds put his hand up and took his side to 300 plus. Same way in 1996 world cup semi final they were 15/4 at one point. Again scratched around and put up a decent total. Once against while fielding they were losing the match when WI was 165/2. They stayed in the game and triggered a collapse. One common thing is they batted first in all the matches. There is a moral lesson for the opposition. In world cup matches do not insert Australia in if you win the toss. They put together some total and they will defend it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

England has become like South Africa of 1990s, unbeatable in bilateral series but failing in pressure matches in ICC tournaments. Based on their achievements of chasing very high totals in bilateral ODI matches, England thought that they would be able to do the same in world cup as well.

Their arrogance, and their inability to distinguish bilateral matches from world cup matches has proved to be their undoing. In this world cup , they won the toss and decided to field against Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Australia, and failed to chase totals that they used to routinely chase in bilateral matches against the same teams. Serves them well.

That SA team was capable of winning on all kind of surfaces except may be spin pitches. This English side is poor on any surfaces other than flat tracks

 

[jnaveen1980]

The old frailties seem to be resurfacing at just the wrong time. This side beat Australia 5-0 last year.

Losing Roy is a big blow psychologically and Bairstow seems to have responded by going into his shell.

I didn’t watch the match but it seems that Woakes bowled very well but was unlucky.

They had no Smith, no Warner

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bowlers win tournaments. You cannot win matches purely with batting.

 

[andy0204]

The old frailties seem to be resurfacing at just the wrong time. This side beat Australia 5-0 last year.

Losing Roy is a big blow psychologically and Bairstow seems to have responded by going into his shell.

I didn’t watch the match but it seems that Woakes bowled very well but was unlucky.

This all are excuses when australia were in their golden phase in 2007 they lost cb series to england and bilateral series against newzealand before wc but as soon as wc started they became invincible.
Winning bilaterals is completely different to winning world cup.
Talking about roy pakistan didnt have waqar,anwar in 1992,shane warne in 2003 in world cups there are chance to get an injury even shikhar dhawan got injured who is best performer when it comes to icc tournaments.
Roy would have struggled in srilankas match because he is poor against the spin
The fact is you played all your loi in flat pitches

 

[wrongun]

The old frailties seem to be resurfacing at just the wrong time. This side beat Australia 5-0 last year.

Losing Roy is a big blow psychologically and Bairstow seems to have responded by going into his shell.

I didn’t watch the match but it seems that Woakes bowled very well but was unlucky.

Bowled completely the wrong length- he looked unlucky because conditions in the morning session were a green tinged pitch with a bit of grass & overcast weather, basically everything Woakes wants so he beat the bat a few times.

No bad luck involved though, the plan was short of a length. England managed to bowl an entire opening 10 overs with only 3 deliveries that clipped the stumps. Rest too short. So it looked great but allowed the Aussies to play a line or play & miss without consequence. The old "you miss, I hit" which Starc & Behrendorf exploited in their opening spells.

I don't think any of the bowlers were out of form- they just had the wrong plan & stuck to it like robots.

 

[Ab Fan]

Bowlers win tournaments. You cannot win matches purely with batting.

England could win the match if the batting was brilliant for all kinds of conditions.

England batting seems to be brilliant but are one-dimensional while the bowling is average.

 

[jnaveen1980]

England could win the match if the batting was brilliant for all kinds of conditions.

England batting seems to be brilliant but are one-dimensional while the bowling is average.

No team can be good with bat in all conditions. Especially with this gung-ho approach of putting up a total of 350 every time. That is where bowlers have to step up.

 

[Ab Fan]

No team can be good with bat in all conditions. Especially with this gung-ho approach of putting up a total of 350 every time. That is where bowlers have to step up.

Indian team in 2011 were.

The great Australian team of 2000s were.

You need a workable bowling attack still.

 

[javid]

England can only win on flat pitches...as simple as it gets

 

[Afridi96]

Tbf England may still go on to win the World Cup.

But, England are definitely a better ODI side than Australia and are ranked higher hence Australia’s win was a fluke. England were also really unlucky; Ben Stokes’ dismissal, on another day the bails don’t come off and Morgan top edges for a boundary. Australia were also really lucky, Finch played and missed even though he should have edged it and been out early.

Luck never seems to favour England which is needed to win the World Cup, so can’t blame them.

 

[Mamoon]

Bla bla bla.

Check AUS WC record. They show up when it matters in ICC EVENTS.

ENG have been kings of the JAMODIS last 4 years.

Brilliant satire. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] - you have become a meme.

England are chokers. They never turn up on big occasions i.e semifinals, finals and games like these where points are crucial. Mark my words "England will not qualify for the semis" InshAllah Pak will go through. They only need to beat Newzealand InshAllah

Stop with these silly excuses many other teams have won WorldCups without their impact players. Pakistan entered in 92 without Waqar he was at his peak and was destroying batting lineups everywhere

3/7 matches in this world cup have been "off days" then for the "best team in the world?" Fact is England are becoming the Saffers of this era, beastly in bilateral series but when it comes to performing on the big stage of the World Cup or any other tournament they crumble.

Even if you don't want to believe that theory the fact is this English team is not as good as some of the teams it's been compared to. (Australia of 2000's or even SA of the 2006-2015) They are simply to one dimensional their bowling is utter crap, look no further than the 4/5 times Pakistan hit them for 340+. Also on pitches that are not flat their batsman are horrendous no technique. Just go out slog at everything and hope for the best. That plan may pay off on the absolute roads England builds in it's home series but England should of been real with themselves in the past 4 years. Because in ICC Tournaments you will rarely see such roads. This flat pitch tactic was their downfall in the CT, and it is proving to be their downfall here again.

Humiliation expert now coming up with humiliating excuses

The type of cricket England play isn't type that wins WCs.

Australia are something else, those guys always seem to peak in WCs irrespective of form in between WCs.

I think India are most likely going to win the WC if they beat England.

Your favourites lost to 2 circus teams on the big stage ) what does that make them. God I feel sorry for all English cricket fans

Thoughts are with all of you.

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon I warned you about Australia. I'm sorry you fully deserve this humiliation. OP is well aware of Australia strengths and knowhow. You deserve the humiliation today.

I warned you I will have the last laugh.

 

[Hasan123]

I warned you I will have the last laugh.

Well played to England. They deserve their success. But you are more happy that you are right than England winning. Shows that you are desperate to be proven right and can't handle being wrong.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION]

I hope you now realize the importance of Roy to England. They had no chance with mental midget Vince.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Thoughts are with all of you.

Good run of flukes from England

Shall we bump all the threads where you have been wrong too

 

[Mamoon]

Good run of flukes from England

Shall we bump all the threads where you have been wrong too

As I always say, I am wrong more times than I am right. That doesn’t stop people from having a go at me but now it is payback time.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Let's not forget that Australia defeated Pakistan in the final after losing a group match to them in 1999.

Australia also defeated New Zealand in the final after losing a group match to them in 2015.

Pakistan defeated India in the final after losing a group match to them in 2017.

It is extremely unlikely for a team to beat another team multiple times in a high pressure tournament like the world cup.

Australia after beating England twice (including the practice game) were bound to lose once. Unfortunately, it happened in the semi-final. Both Warner and Finch are extremely unlikely to have a collective bad day together.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

As I always say, I am wrong more times than I am right. That doesn’t stop people from having a go at me but now it is payback time.

There’s nothing charismatic or appealing about this England team to me

 

[Technics 1210]

[MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION]

I hope you now realize the importance of Roy to England. They had no chance with mental midget Vince.

I never denied the importance of Roy to England. However I did deny your notion he is the reason why England win.

 

[James]

Jason Roy has made a massive difference since the India game. The whole batting lineup seems more confident simply with Roy coming in at the top.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Thank you England for a new WC winner. Hopefully Aus doesn't win any WC in the next decade. We need some fresh air.

 

[Savak]

Australia's bowling attack was extremely one dimensional, their batting helped to cover for their limited bowling attack but it was not the case today.

On a pitch where English bowlers built up pressure by bowling plenty of slower deliveries, cutters, I found it shocking that the likes of Starc and Cummins provided mindless pace to the English batsmen

 

[Ab Fan]

Well played England. Good comeback. It is their World Cup to lose now. Lucky they ain't meeting India or Pakistan in the finals.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Well played England. Good comeback. It is their World Cup to lose now. Lucky they ain't meeting India or Pakistan in the finals.

India has been choking in ICC tournaments since 2014, England would've steamrolled them in final as well. NZ/Aus are much bigger threat.

 

[sweep_shot]

England lost this game due to being under pressure. They were on the verge of elimination. They started to dominate again after win against India.

 

[bujhee kom]

As I always say, I am wrong more times than I am right. That doesn’t stop people from having a go at me but now it is payback time.

The biggest chuckle comes from your identity crisis.

 

[Ab Fan]

India has been choking in ICC tournaments since 2014

I think I should start supporting England now. They may well start choking and anyways I do support one of their players, who has actually been the disappointment till now for England. You never know he might be their man for finals.