"It's not enough to just hit 2-3 boundaries in an over and then be dismissed" : Haider Ali

[Saj]

He's playing international cricket the same way he has at the junior levels and most of his domestic cricket.

Coming in wanting to smash it to all parts from ball one and not respecting the opposition.

Well, young man, international cricket doesn't work like that and you are finding this out the hard way.

 

[Madplayer]

Got a good one today

 

[shah_1]

Be patient with him


He deserves more chances. It is not we have batting batting talent depth like England/India

 

[Nado_]

Must be patient with him although he’s frustrating the hell out of us. So much potential but it’s up to him.

 

[Zaz]

Not learning Not rotating the strike or seeming to be in control of his game

He doesnt seem to know how to build an innings and play the ball according to its merit

 

[reversehook]

Go on Haider Ali, impart some more of that wisdom upon us...


Our Pakistani blokes are all Professors...

 

[Suleiman]

Why was he selected after 9 games only in t20s? Batting a couple of overs across 9 t20 games is enough to justify selection?

Selection committee on drugs. Either select someone with very little experience or so much experience that they have 1-2 years left in cricket as a whole.

 

[ssuhaide]

Doesn't know how to construct an innings. Looks like issues between the ears rather than technical issues. Inferior Umar Akmal clone

 

[shaz72]

Got a good one today

It wasn't a good ball, a very basic simple in coming ball a school boy would have played better than him. This guy is just hype nothing more than that. He will be thrown back to the garage call Pakistan domestic cricket just see the player they are producing absolutely worthless for international cricketer.

 

[shaz72]

Be patient with him


He deserves more chances. It is not we have batting batting talent depth like England/India

It's not about patience, it's about cricket basic and cricketing sence, match awareness.

 

[Saj]

10 T20Is now and to be honest he only looked decent in the half century against England.

Last 6 T20I innings:

15 10 21 11 8 3

 

[Extra_Cover]

Its unfair on Haider for fans to be so critical on him.

We all agree that he is the brightest talent to come through in past 2-3 years from Pakistan. So now its up to PCB to manage him and potentially improve his temperament. If we discard him now we are going to lose a potential gem.

The biggest worry I have is Haider working directly under Misbah. The way Misbah throws youngsters in deep so they'll either swim or drown is downright shameful.

Look at Nasim for example he was thrown into test matches without any bowling plan or mindset and asked to perform with burden of bowling on his shoulders. Similar to Naseem now Haider is being thrown into the team where it seems the burden of batting lineup is on his shoulders. Basic rule of the thumb is that no youngster will thrive under direct pressure so why is this happening to Naseem and Haider.

Why can't these 2 youngsters play under the shadows of senior cricketers for a year or so until they blossom? As Naseem has been discarded I fear same chop is hanging over Haider everytime he walks out to bat. We cannot waste these 2 talents and I truly hope PCB appoint some sort of mentor for its u21 players in central contract to safeguard them from hawks in the management.

 

[Ahmed216]

Terrible form or completely out of depth at this level?

 

[Line and Length]

Its unfair on Haider for fans to be so critical on him.

We all agree that he is the brightest talent to come through in past 2-3 years from Pakistan. So now its up to PCB to manage him and potentially improve his temperament. If we discard him now we are going to lose a potential gem.

The biggest worry I have is Haider working directly under Misbah. The way Misbah throws youngsters in deep so they'll either swim or drown is downright shameful.

Look at Nasim for example he was thrown into test matches without any bowling plan or mindset and asked to perform with burden of bowling on his shoulders. Similar to Naseem now Haider is being thrown into the team where it seems the burden of batting lineup is on his shoulders. Basic rule of the thumb is that no youngster will thrive under direct pressure so why is this happening to Naseem and Haider.

Why can't these 2 youngsters play under the shadows of senior cricketers for a year or so until they blossom? As Naseem has been discarded I fear same chop is hanging over Haider everytime he walks out to bat. We cannot waste these 2 talents and I truly hope PCB appoint some sort of mentor for its u21 players in central contract to safeguard them from hawks in the management.

A coach like Andy Flower would be perfect for his development. Doesn’t look like that’s going to happen though.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Its unfair on Haider for fans to be so critical on him.

We all agree that he is the brightest talent to come through in past 2-3 years from Pakistan. So now its up to PCB to manage him and potentially improve his temperament. If we discard him now we are going to lose a potential gem.

The biggest worry I have is Haider working directly under Misbah. The way Misbah throws youngsters in deep so they'll either swim or drown is downright shameful.

Look at Nasim for example he was thrown into test matches without any bowling plan or mindset and asked to perform with burden of bowling on his shoulders. Similar to Naseem now Haider is being thrown into the team where it seems the burden of batting lineup is on his shoulders. Basic rule of the thumb is that no youngster will thrive under direct pressure so why is this happening to Naseem and Haider.

Why can't these 2 youngsters play under the shadows of senior cricketers for a year or so until they blossom? As Naseem has been discarded I fear same chop is hanging over Haider everytime he walks out to bat. We cannot waste these 2 talents and I truly hope PCB appoint some sort of mentor for its u21 players in central contract to safeguard them from hawks in the management.

I keep hearing how talented he is, but all I have seen since I first saw him in PSL is some big hitting prowess, but that doesn't usually translate into a meaningful score. Has he actually got ability to play proper cricket shots against top level bowling?

 

[Firebat]

If someone can put an ounce of cricketing IQ in this man he could be a wonderful player. He can time the ball so beautifully. We shouldn't give up on him, but he has a long long way to go

 

[Bewal Express]

Not seeing development from the young man. As I said earlier he hits too much in the air to score big very often. Its simple maths, the more you hit in the air the more chance of getting out unless everything goes your way. He needs a ground game and then hit in the air when it's in his hitting zone. As there aren't any alternatives, he needs to stay in the squad, dropped for games and then brought back for others.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

If someone can put an ounce of cricketing IQ in this man he could be a wonderful player. He can time the ball so beautifully. We shouldn't give up on him, but he has a long long way to go

Someone like Mickey wouldn't have dropped him, but I don't see him getting better under the current team management or them having that patience.

The alternative is a few full seasons of FC cricket to improve his batting temperament and shot selection.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

He needs a good PSL if he wants to remain in the team. Has not been good for the most part.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

His technique is not up to the mark for international level , must spend time with M.Yousuf at NHPC and then must have a full season under his belt , then he will be ready hopefully.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Playing him more at this stage will destroy his confidence altogether.

 

[Firebat]

Let's just get all batsmen on a bus and drop them off with MoYo for a couple months.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Playing him more at this stage will destroy his confidence altogether.

Disagree. He needs more exposure to top quality bowling, and if he has the technique, he has his game to show this. If he has the technique. Of course it might be he just isn't the player he is hyped to be. Could be a deficiency in technique or could just be a lack of big game temperament. You will never know unless he is pitched in at this level.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Kid needs to learn to rotate strike. He just knows to hit, 2nd option is block, smh

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Disagree. He needs more exposure to top quality bowling, and if he has the technique, he has his game to show this. If he has the technique. Of course it might be he just isn't the player he is hyped to be. Could be a deficiency in technique or could just be a lack of big game temperament. You will never know unless he is pitched in at this level.

Any one who has seen him play can figure out his technique and shot selection is even worse than a club level player but he has all the natural ingredients to become a Pakistani sehwag provided he just get his shot selection and defense right , must spend some time with M.Yousuf instead of getting more exposed at international level.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Currently he is slightly better technique wise than Fakhar Zaman minus the ability to play spin like Fakhar , we all know what happens to player like Fakhar ,Imran Nazir and Umar Ajmal.
Heck even Umar has tighter technique and better shot selection than him at the moment.

 

[Markhor]

Should've played the whole of the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy for Northern instead of those useless T20Is against England B, Zimbabwe and New Zealand B. Now he'll play PSL.

How does this non-stop diet of T20 cricket help him learn to construct a long innings ?

 

[Shoaibbtt]

I’m willing to drop Haider unless he comes good, future wise he’ll be good but right now is not his time I’d rather back the sensible Rohail Nazir.

 

[Saj]

There's a bit of Imran Nazir in his approach, 2 dot balls followed by a wild slog.

Decent bowlers at the highest level will work him out.

He needs to work on his approach more than anything else, as well as the mental side of the game.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There's a bit of Imran Nazir in his approach, 2 dot balls followed by a wild slog.

Decent bowlers at the highest level will work him out.

He needs to work on his approach more than anything else, as well as the mental side of the game.

Imran Nazir destroyed some pretty high quality attacks on the few occasions he came off. I am yet to see Haider do this even once.

 

[Extra_Cover]

I keep hearing how talented he is, but all I have seen since I first saw him in PSL is some big hitting prowess, but that doesn't usually translate into a meaningful score. Has he actually got ability to play proper cricket shots against top level bowling?

If the answer to the simple question is that he is the best batting prospect in the country then it needs persistence and play time in the shadow of senior players.

For me Haider and Naseem are brightest talents that came out in last 1-2 years hence its worth investing in them. Remember Babar was a complete failure when he started his test career and had he been sacked at that point we would have lost a potentially best bat we have at the moment.

Bottomline is once you identify the right player then invest time in him as he would yield long-term results.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Haider has definitely regressed since last year and for me the reason is he has been blooded into the t20 format far before he has developed reliable scoring zones.

He gets under pressure and impulsively tries to hoick everything to cow corner which shows that he isnt comfortable in this format yet.

Him and Azam should not be playing t20 cricket right now.
This helter skelter format is not where you develop a process-oriented art, which batting is.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Currently he is slightly better technique wise than Fakhar Zaman minus the ability to play spin like Fakhar , we all know what happens to player like Fakhar ,Imran Nazir and Umar Ajmal.
Heck even Umar has tighter technique and better shot selection than him at the moment.

Umar had ATG ability, but had the brain of a caterpillar.
Haider would do great if he could come close to having the co-ordination and technique Umar had.

 

[Ertugrul_Bey]

I would rather bring in Ahmed Shahzad from exile than give any more chances to this hack.

 

[Bilal_103]

I havent seen much of this guy other than the SA series. He looks pretty outta control. Does he have potential? if he does PCB should stick to him because hes still young and can improve.

 

[UzmanBeast]

International cricket is not about hitting a few sixes and leaving. Haider has demonstrated no game awareness so far in the opportunities he has been provided, and his attitude resembles that of a slogger. If he doesn't watch out and start giving himself time to get his bearings, he will end up as the next Umar Akmal or Ahmed Shehzad, extremely talented yet no game awareness. Thankfully he does not have a poor off-field attitude, but his match awareness should be better.

You cannot hit every delivery out of the park at the age of 19 or 20, you must give yourself time to develop your game. He is too attacking for his own good, and throws away his wicket trying to be a superstar. What he needs to learn is that if he plays one or two innings at 120-130 SR but hits about 50-60 runs, it will only do him good in the long run.

Take Babar for example, he wasn't extremely talented but he worked hard. His SR was very low to begin with, but it has improved considerably over the last two or three years. It will get even better, but the idea is that he gave himself time to determine his game, and now he's taking it to a higher level.

Until you let yourself adapt to international cricket by determining what role you are comfortable playing, you won't be a good international player. I don't care if Haider needs a few knocks at 120 SR or below, he needs to get runs and gain some confidence. The best way to get in form is to spend time at the crease and get your bearings, which he isn't doing.

Haider is nowhere as talented as Ahmed Shehzad and Umar Akmal were, those guys had the ceiling to reach for. However, he has time on his side, and if he can acknowledge that there are other people to do the hitting down the order, it will do him some good. He should be sent to the NHPC immediately to work on his batting technique, and how he rotates strike. Yousuf will surely know where the problem lies.

If PCB have identified him for the future, they need to understand that he needs some time outside the team. Failing at the international level repeatedly will crush him as a player. What he needs is to go to the NHPC and work on how he bats. He has to change his approach at batting, because right now, he won't be getting anywhere with this mindset.

 

[Titan24]

A lot to learn in terms of how to go about his game. He has been too one dimensional in his approach till now and needs to work upon that. Even in this poor series for him he showed glimpses of his skills with the bat in hand but, his preemptive strokes, lack of strike rotation and not much of a game plan have been the obstacles.

 

[hitthestump]

People talk about dropping him but drop him for who? We need to understand - the cupboard is bare. Even 15 (10) is better than anything we'll get from Talat, Asif Ali or Iftikhar.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Kamran Ghulam is a massive striker and has a tremendous season to back up his performance.

 

[Xoib]

Haider and Naseem Shah have faced the same issue they are thrown couple oke of seasons too early in to int cricket.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Haider and Naseem Shah have faced the same issue they are thrown couple oke of seasons too early in to int cricket.

Arguably, it can also help their development. The real issue is both of them missing full seasons of first class cricket. I have no issue playing them in international cricket in other times of the year, but they should NOT miss first class!

 

[naseem]

He needs 2 play first class matches to understand how to build an innings.....need 2 yrs atleast

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Kamran Ghulam is a massive striker and has a tremendous season to back up his performance.

Haider is also a massive striker, hitting the ball a long way is not the issue, it's picking the right ball to hit, and where to hit them.

 

[Nado_]

Some people can’t see that he has raw ability which can make him successful at international level. Yesterday’s game showed batsman without ability to play at international level. The problem with Haider is that he’s got himself out most of the time, so he needs to seriously think about shot selection, and of course he’s still raw and will need to continue to work on his technique and also needs to learn from the likes of Rizwan, Babar the art of taking singles.

 

[shamaan]

Be patient with him


He deserves more chances. It is not we have batting batting talent depth like England/India

exactly he should be backed and deserves more chances

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Some people can’t see that he has raw ability which can make him successful at international level. Yesterday’s game showed batsman without ability to play at international level. The problem with Haider is that he’s got himself out most of the time, so he needs to seriously think about shot selection, and of course he’s still raw and will need to continue to work on his technique and also needs to learn from the likes of Rizwan, Babar the art of taking singles.

I frankly think he's not ready and would be willing to drop him to go play more domestic tournaments as well as playing in franchise cricket. He's too young for me right now and would want to replace him with Sohaib Moqsood in the no. 3 slot who also had a brilliant t20 domestic season.

 

[shamaan]

Playing him more at this stage will destroy his confidence altogether.

Disagree he needs to be playing against high quality bowlers.

 

[shamaan]

I’m willing to drop Haider unless he comes good, future wise he’ll be good but right now is not his time I’d rather back the sensible Rohail Nazir.

he will come good let him continue playing against quality bowlers

 

[Saj]

The danger is that he will go to the PSL smash some rubbish bowlers around and think the world is ok and his batting is fine. But that is not the case, this lad needs a lot of work doing on his approach to batting.

 

[Ami]

Dont worry Haider Ali.. "sari umar parri hai ghaltian sudharney ki" ...!

 

[Saj]

Well he has requested that he spend some time with Mohammad Yousuf at the NHPC.

But the issue is that there is the PSL and then series after series, so let's see when this happens.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Well he has requested that he spend some time with Mohammad Yousuf at the NHPC.

But the issue is that there is the PSL and then series after series, so let's see when this happens.

That is promising and exactly what I hoped for.
Yousuf is a hard-liner with regards to a batsman's technique.
Btw what issues has he identified for himself? What does he want to see him for?
Why not younis?

 

[Shoaibbtt]

he will come good let him continue playing against quality bowlers

This was somewhat quality bowlers and he failed.

I wanna see Sohaib Moqsood in at 3 and Muhammad Nawaz at 5.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Hope he gets to work with Yousuf and comes back with better temperament. Its up to him if we wants to go down the Asif Ali route or Rizwan.

 

[Madplayer]

This was somewhat quality bowlers and he failed.

I wanna see Sohaib Moqsood in at 3 and Muhammad Nawaz at 5.

Sohaib maqsood? Thank God not all wishes come true.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Sohaib maqsood? Thank God not all wishes come true.

Did you not see his hitting during the t20 domestic circuit? He was absolutely smashing it. Helped Southern Punjab get in the semis with some brutal hitting.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Did you not see his hitting during the t20 domestic circuit? He was absolutely smashing it. Helped Southern Punjab get in the semis with some brutal hitting.

Do you remember the hitting of happy heart in domestic cricket?

 

[Mamoon]

What is the point of having Younis as head coach and what is he getting paid for? What are those scribblings in the notebook for other than showing off to the cameras?

Younis himself admitted that he cannot work on the batsmen during a series, and they are seemingly seeking the advice of Yousuf during off-days.

So I don’t see any purpose and any role of Younis as batting coach. Looks like he is getting paid big bucks to go on holidays and do some throw-downs.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Do you remember the hitting of happy heart in domestic cricket?

Khushdil yea he was lucky, that 100 was a pure fluke. It's a trial to see Moqsood back and to be honest he was one of the top performers so his performances should be valued in my books.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Khushdil yea he was lucky, that 100 was a pure fluke. It's a trial to see Moqsood back and to be honest he was one of the top performers so his performances should be valued in my books.

His scoring zones are still the same. The technique and lack of balance issues with the head falling over remain the same.
He has not improved an iota, and will fail again when he faces international bowling.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

His scoring zones are still the same. The technique and lack of balance issues with the head falling over remain the same.
He has not improved an iota, and will fail again when he faces international bowling.

Still inclined to select him for the next series in SA provided he proves himself again in PSL. Haider for me is too young at this point or else i rather go with someone like Zeeshan Malik at the top with Rizwan with Babar at 3.

 

[shamaan]

This was somewhat quality bowlers and he failed.

I wanna see Sohaib Moqsood in at 3 and Muhammad Nawaz at 5.

He will come good hopefully the psl will do his confidence some good

 

[Thunderbolt14]

That is promising and exactly what I hoped for.
Yousuf is a hard-liner with regards to a batsman's technique.
Btw what issues has he identified for himself? What does he want to see him for?
Why not younis?

Haider is a smart lad. He knows where he’s going wrong and recognizes the impact of his gung ho attitude on his overall game. He tempered this attitude very effectively as the Pakistan Cup progressed.

Haider needs to play a full season of first class cricket this year and if possible try to bag a club cricket contract in England during the off season. Ali Zaryab has done the same, actually.

 

[Khan12]

If PCB has any brains they will give him compensation and make him miss this circus of PSL so he can work with Yousuf. In fact Haider himself should skip this rubbish and work on his game with yousuf hes not going to learn much and will be hampering his progress. I know its hard for a young man to skip psl.

 

[MenInG]

Haider Ali looked good the other night - needs to carry on today

 

[Firebat]

Haider has got a couple chances tonight but he is making Quetta pay, brilliant innings so far. 47 from 23

 

[Rana]

Golden duck is a class player when he plays confidently with anger!

 

[Firebat]

Haider Ali falls for a fantastic 50 from 29, but couldn't get his team over the line

 

[Forum363]

Seemed to get frustrated towards the end there. This is all great for his development as he will learn the art of building an innings and clearing his mind to focus on the ball on its merits.

 

[Markhor]

Found his calling at #5.

Think I heard the other day he hasn't been dismissed by spin yet in the PSL. Maybe he can continue at #5 and eventually work his way up to opening for Pakistan.

 

[TeymurBlake]

He looked good again today. No.5 is the slot for him in the T20I setup. Hafeez, Babar and Haider is a solid middle order.

 

[Firebat]

Seemed to get frustrated towards the end there. This is all great for his development as he will learn the art of building an innings and clearing his mind to focus on the ball on its merits.

He was really frustrated, and had to be consoled by Kohler-Cadmore

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Shame he didn't finish off the game but he is getting there. Starting to show his class and there are signs of why there was so much hype. Looking more confident now he has got some match winning knocks under his belt.

 

[shamaan]

Shame he didn't finish off the game but he is getting there. Starting to show his class and there are signs of why there was so much hype. Looking more confident now he has got some match winning knocks under his belt.

It all comes down to the coach and what instructions he has been given.It looks like with peshawar hes allowed to play freely but playing for Pakistan last series he seemed like this wasnt the case.but its something he needs to work on how to build an innings

 

[Firebat]

This will be a big test for Haider today vs Karachi. At the crease in the powerplay, with his team 3 wickets down. This is a big chance for him to show he has the temperament to build an innings and get his team out of this hole. A top-order player has to do more than just smash

 

[Energy]

Seems like he doesn't do what he preaches. Yet another big mouth who cannot walk the talk.

 

[Firebat]

Unfortunately right now he’s not showing that he can do any more than a big hitting cameo at the end of the innings

 

[MenInG]

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His dismissal

 

[Muhammad Saad]

He needs to get rid of this leg side hoicks. He is not even near as talented as Ahmed Shehzad or Umar Akmal so he should stop imitating them and learn from their failures

 

[ChTab]

Unfortunately right now he’s not showing that he can do any more than a big hitting cameo at the end of the innings

Pakistan needs to believe in him, he's one of the most exciting young players in the world. Just do what Pakistan did with Babar in the test matches & I hope he will finally come good.