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I didn't watch cricket at the time when Javed Miandad played but I have seen a lot of clips of his batting and I have heard a lot of nicknames he had been called like "street fighter" and such. I also know he played in an era where bowlers ruled but only an SR of 67? Does he deserve all this praise? Discuss!
 
1)What was the strike rate of his peers?

2) low strike rate does not necessarily mean lack of ability to hit. He was capable of scoring quickly as well as he showed in the famous game against India where he chased a run rate of 10 and finished off with a 6 on the last ball. However most of the time he didnt need to have a very high strike rate.
 
His stats for best part of career was 45+/70+, which was outstanding for that era - I think 3rd best after Viv (47/90) & Zaheer (48/86), at per or slightly better than Greg. He dragged his career too long for which his stats suffered in later career. Also, after 1985 he played in a different role for a team struggling from batting inexperience but a good, attacking tail, therefore focusing more on consistency and carrying the innings to 45th over, rather than enforcing the run-rate. At one point in 1987, he had like 10 consecutive innings over 50, which was remarkable in any standard, almost unreal in that era - players even in Counties or Shield games couldn't score 5-6 consecutive 50+ in List A, that time. Brilliant ODI player - not sure if it's possible to extract that analysis from statguru or raw data dump, but if someone analyze his ODI career by ball, I am sure his SR in last 10-12 overs were as good as any one, but he had to start differently almost every time from like 31/2 in 12th over :(
 
Most good/great ODI batsmen of that time had an SR in the 60's which includes fine ODI batsmen like Desmond Haynes and Gordon Greenidge. Kris Srikkanth was considered an aggressive batsman (although brainless) back then with an SR of 71, that gives us an idea. That's the reason why Viv Richards with an SR of bloody 90 back then, and an outstanding average of 47 is still considered the greatest ODI batsman of all time.
 
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I didn't watch cricket at the time when Javed Miandad played but I have seen a lot of clips of his batting and I have heard a lot of nicknames he had been called like "street fighter" and such. I also know he played in an era where bowlers ruled but only an SR of 67? Does he deserve all this praise? Discuss!

This was the Strike rate for all batsmen back then. It was a different ball game back then. There was no 20/20’s to help players develop there skills. No fileing restricrions, no one bouncer rule, no 35 over ball change etc etc. ODI’s were just introduced and were played differently. The game has developed since then.

If he was playing in this era i’m Sure his SR would be 100+
 
Miandad played in an era when a score of 250 in an ODI game from 55 overs was considered a big total, and his unique selling point was his dependability as a batsman, not necessarily hitting 4s and 6s.. although when situation demanded it, he rised up to the challenge.
 
low SR ?

67 in that era is like 85 90 nowadays which is fine.

but it cant be compared with greatest odi batsman of all time SIR VIV RICHARDS.
 
His stats for best part of career was 45+/70+, which was outstanding for that era - I think 3rd best after Viv (47/90) & Zaheer (48/86), at per or slightly better than Greg. He dragged his career too long for which his stats suffered in later career. Also, after 1985 he played in a different role for a team struggling from batting inexperience but a good, attacking tail, therefore focusing more on consistency and carrying the innings to 45th over, rather than enforcing the run-rate. At one point in 1987, he had like 10 consecutive innings over 50, which was remarkable in any standard, almost unreal in that era - players even in Counties or Shield games couldn't score 5-6 consecutive 50+ in List A, that time. Brilliant ODI player - not sure if it's possible to extract that analysis from statguru or raw data dump, but if someone analyze his ODI career by ball, I am sure his SR in last 10-12 overs were as good as any one, but he had to start differently almost every time from like 31/2 in 12th over :(

Phenomenal stats. No wonder he's widely considered as one of the best middle order batsmen of all time.
 
This was the Strike rate for all batsmen back then. It was a different ball game back then. There was no 20/20’s to help players develop there skills. No fileing restricrions, no one bouncer rule, no 35 over ball change etc etc. ODI’s were just introduced and were played differently. The game has developed since then.

If he was playing in this era i’m Sure his SR would be 100+

Now that's a bit too much.
 
This was the Strike rate for all batsmen back then. It was a different ball game back then. There was no 20/20’s to help players develop there skills. No fileing restricrions, no one bouncer rule, no 35 over ball change etc etc. ODI’s were just introduced and were played differently. The game has developed since then.

If he was playing in this era i’m Sure his SR would be 100+

Uh, not really.
 
One of the most over-rated batsman we ever have with zero grain of honesty.
 
Miandad was one of the best odi bats of his era Could play shots all around the wkt including reverse sweeps late cuts and was brilliant at manouvering the field and running between the Wkts

In an era of the 70s and 80s when 220 was the equivalent of today’s 320 his strike rate was very good
 
I got same feel when i saw Sourav Ganguly's stats his strike rate of 73. I always heard he was quite aggressive batsman compared to Tendulkar but well his strike rate was as good as Rahul Dravid's (71)
 
If you have earned the respect of your peers even with an attitude like Javed's, it means you're really good. Miandad was hated for his antics yet praised for his batting ability. His foes from Australia and England have repeatedly said they would have loved to have him in their team. Some players cant be judged on stats. The difference in batting average of Mahela Jayawardene and Younis Khan is not that much. Mahela averaged 33 at SR of 77 while Younis averaged 31 at an SR of 75, but you know how Mahela is known as a brilliant ODI batter while Younis is considered to be a pretty poor one.
During that time, 66 was the average strike rate i think.
On a side note, if you think what Viv managed in that era, it would be akin to a strike rate of 120 atleast.
Zaheer is also pretty under rated IMO, a strike rate of 86 at an average of 40 plus in that era was absolutely brilliant.
 
LOL, this is what happens when people who have never watched someone beyond the YT videos or from what they read about, mostly from foreign and hostile opponents/media which hated his guts!

At one point in his career in 1987, before he hit that sublime 260 (?) against England in tests, he ended up accumulating 9 consecutive 50 plus scores while being NO in 4 of those as well. He was I think rated number 1 ODI bat at that time (or top 2-3) and compared to him, next best is 6 consecutive 50's from Greenidge, A. Jone, MoYo, Kane Wlliamson, and M. Waugh, this tells you of his superiority in ODIs.

He just played for too long and with a recurring back issue, and totally lost touch with his fitness which totally destroyed his ODI career stats, yet he still averages same as MoYo (- 0.01 difference), more than Inzi, Ganguly, Pieterson, Haynes, Damien Martyn, lara, Buttler, Greg Chappell, Clive Lloyd, Gambhir, Hales, Martin Crowe, Saeed Anwar, Alan Lamb etc. Some of these were considered exceptional ODi players in their time. Even aggressive moder day players like Warner or even Hayden, average just 2-3 points more. His SR being low was more of a reflection of ODI startegies, norms, as well as the team requirements; Pak batting most of the time was so weak that he had to always come in and start laying a foundation after fall of early wickets.

Yet, most of his career, he was lightning quick in terms of running between wickets, converting 1's in to 2's and so on, always ready to sneak a run when possible. This is what Dean Jones said about his running "RUNNER BETWEEN THE WICKETS: Javed Miandad. So quick and he taught me everything. Miandad ran straight. He knew when to stop and turn and was a great judge of a run. I saw him make a hundred off 70 balls against Victoria at the MCG and he only hit four boundaries."
 
I'm not sure of your knowledge about cricket

but 67 SR for a guy who played in the 80s and early 90s is not low at all
 
The average strike-rate during this era was roughly 65.

Miandad's ODI stats can be divided into two parts. Until 1989, he had stats of 46/71 which was well above the average for that era. After 1989 till 1993 and then when he made his comeback for the 96 World Cup, he had stats of 35/60 which were pretty poor during that period, though he did have one good year in 1992 where he played some good knocks in the 92WC.
 
It's average. However Miandad is supposed to be an ODI great so he shouldn't have average SR.




Why don't you show many such ODI greats (besides Zaheer abbass and Viv) that played during his day and they maintained a much better SR than him in that time period?

BTW, since Indians call Tendulkar god of cricket, can you advise if his average was the highest amongst his peers, what about players who played before him? I mean he is considerd a great or goat by many, what is it that made him stand out besides the longevity point and scoring all those runs; was he scoring them at a higher Average and SR compared to his contemporaries?
 
Why don't you show many such ODI greats (besides Zaheer abbass and Viv) that played during his day and they maintained a much better SR than him in that time period?

BTW, since Indians call Tendulkar god of cricket, can you advise if his average was the highest amongst his peers, what about players who played before him? I mean he is considerd a great or goat by many, what is it that made him stand out besides the longevity point and scoring all those runs; was he scoring them at a higher Average and SR compared to his contemporaries?

An SR of 86 and average of more than 44 in the 90's. How many of his contemporaries who played in the 90's and continued beyond that could match it? Michael Bevan did have an average of 50+ with 65 not outs, but his SR was 75. So can you name any of his contemporaries with such an average and SR?
 
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An SR of 86 and average of more than 44 in the 90's. How many of his contemporaries who played in the 90's and continued beyond that could match it? Michael Bevan did have an average of 50+ with 65 not outs, but his SR was 75. So can you name any of his contemporaries with such an average and SR?

Saeed Anwar ? I think he was considered the second best ODI bat in the 90s (you're right that Bevan had a lot of NOs).

In India itself what about Azharuddin ? He was India's best bat with Teenda back then.
 
Saeed Anwar ? I think he was considered the second best ODI bat in the 90s (you're right that Bevan had a lot of NOs).

In India itself what about Azharuddin ? He was India's best bat with Teenda back then.

Saeed Anwar - 39.21 (ave);SR - 80.67

Azhar - 36.92 (ave); SR - 74.02


Azhar was pleasing to the eye and and a good batsman, nothing more than that.
 
An SR of 86 and average of more than 44 in the 90's. How many of his contemporaries who played in the 90's and continued beyond that could match it? Michael Bevan did have an average of 50+ with 65 not outs, but his SR was 75. So can you name any of his contemporaries with such an average and SR?




Although I meant to add 'Test' in my comments for Tendulkar but since this is an ODI thread, I will give you at least 3 such players:

Viv: 47 and 90 above him, Zaheer (even though much shorter career) had better average than him and slightly lower SR, Kallis is almost identical (just realised SR is quite low though) despite being a proper all rounder in ODI's. So it is not as if Tendulkar was a goat player based on his average or SR; he was defined by the amount of runs he scored and his consitency, I give him that!
 
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Although I meant to add 'Test' in my comments for Tendulkar but since this is an ODI thread, I will give you at least 3 such players:

Viv: 47 and 90 above him, Zaheer (even though much shorter career) had better average than him and slightly lower SR, Kallis is almost identical (just realised SR is quite low though) despite being a proper all rounder in ODI's. So it is not as if Tendulkar was a goat player based on his average or SR; he was defined by the amount of runs he scored and his consitency, I give him that!

So in all you could name only one batsman, Viv Richards. And that's why Viv is regarded the greatest ODI batsman of all time.
 
Agree his strike rate of around 70 (it slowed later) was on par with his finest contemporaries. There may have been the odd quicker strike rate around at the time, but they were rare and not expected.

His "street fighter" reputation gives the clue here. Javed was what I would describe as a "busy" batsman. He didn't only deal in boundaries, his forte was to run you ragged with cheeky singles & two's, taking as few risks as possible. Of course he could put a bad ball away or hit a boundary if really needed but he was not a renowned smasher.

Javed's role was to hang around, be a thorn in your side & ensure lesser contemporaries had his presence at the crease or that a competitive total was reached or the bowlers to defend. In those days 220 (SR roughly 73?) was considered defendable, 240 usually par and 250+ a forbidding total.

So Javed would try to make sure he scored a bulk and no collapse including him. Zaheer, Inzi, younger Wasim or Imran depending which role he was playing or whoever could do the stroke play. In a team with often only 2 or 3 reliable bats, his role was to stick around & scrap out a total with whoever could stick with him.
 
Gavaskar had a str rate of 63 so anyone saying that 67 was very good str rate is
again glorifying the past cricketers.
 
Odi cricket was a different ball game back then.

More importantly, Strike Rates dont show up everything unless you watched the entire career of the players.

For example, in current era, Guptill and Rohit have lower Strike Rate than Amla/Williamson but anyone who have watched all play would agree that the former two were far more explosive players than latter two. Same for Ganguly or Dravid or Inzy. Dravid definitely had SR issues which is why he isn't regarded as a great ODI player but just a good one.

You gotta watch a player otherwise you cant really make any claims.
 
Miandad and Greenidge are great ODI batsmen but not ATG. Miandad in a Test ATG though.
 
From 11th June 1975 to 9th March 1996 (The dates of Miandad's first and last ODI games) the top 5 batsmen in ODIs averaged 31.89 at a strike rate of 65.44.

So he had a great average at an ordinary strike rate.
 
From 11th June 1975 to 9th March 1996 (The dates of Miandad's first and last ODI games) the top 5 batsmen in ODIs averaged 31.89 at a strike rate of 65.44.

So he had a great average at an ordinary strike rate.

Was Miandad ever famous for his ODI exploits? The only great ODI batsmen pre 90s were Sobers and Zaheer Abbas afaik.
 
Pre-90's stats for ODI batsman (min 2000 runs) sorted by Strike Rate.

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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]HS [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]N Kapil Dev (INDIA) [/td][td]149 [/td][td]2940 [/td][td]175* [/td][td]26.48 [/td][td]101.44 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IVA Richards (WI) [/td][td]175 [/td][td]6442 [/td][td]189* [/td][td]48.43 [/td][td]90.96 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]44 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saleem Malik (PAK) [/td][td]105 [/td][td]2803 [/td][td]102 [/td][td]32.97 [/td][td]86.14 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zaheer Abbas (PAK) [/td][td]62 [/td][td]2572 [/td][td]123 [/td][td]47.62 [/td][td]84.8 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DI Gower (ENG) [/td][td]105 [/td][td]3030 [/td][td]158 [/td][td]32.23 [/td][td]76.01 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GS Chappell (AUS) [/td][td]74 [/td][td]2331 [/td][td]138* [/td][td]40.18 [/td][td]75.7 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DM Jones (AUS) [/td][td]84 [/td][td]3044 [/td][td]121 [/td][td]45.43 [/td][td]75.57 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AJ Lamb (ENG) [/td][td]89 [/td][td]3072 [/td][td]118 [/td][td]42.66 [/td][td]75.25 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imran Khan (PAK) [/td][td]136 [/td][td]2759 [/td][td]102* [/td][td]32.45 [/td][td]74.87 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MD Crowe (NZ) [/td][td]82 [/td][td]2455 [/td][td]105* [/td][td]34.09 [/td][td]74.62 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AL Logie (WI) [/td][td]114 [/td][td]2213 [/td][td]109* [/td][td]36.27 [/td][td]73.39 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]K Srikkanth (INDIA) [/td][td]124 [/td][td]3486 [/td][td]123 [/td][td]29.05 [/td][td]72.17 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MW Gatting (ENG) [/td][td]85 [/td][td]2049 [/td][td]115* [/td][td]31.52 [/td][td]71.12 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AR Border (AUS) [/td][td]194 [/td][td]4897 [/td][td]127* [/td][td]31.19 [/td][td]70.08 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]32 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Javed Miandad (PAK) [/td][td]158 [/td][td]5343 [/td][td]119* [/td][td]44.15 [/td][td]69.17 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]37 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Azharuddin (INDIA) [/td][td]98 [/td][td]2252 [/td][td]108* [/td][td]31.27 [/td][td]68.3 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DB Vengsarkar (INDIA) [/td][td]124 [/td][td]3417 [/td][td]105 [/td][td]35.22 [/td][td]67.59 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DC Boon (AUS) [/td][td]81 [/td][td]2636 [/td][td]122 [/td][td]33.79 [/td][td]67.53 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CG Greenidge (WI) [/td][td]116 [/td][td]4869 [/td][td]133* [/td][td]46.81 [/td][td]66.32 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]30 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RJ Shastri (INDIA) [/td][td]119 [/td][td]2323 [/td][td]102 [/td][td]29.03 [/td][td]65.52 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GA Gooch (ENG) [/td][td]76 [/td][td]2996 [/td][td]142 [/td][td]41.61 [/td][td]65 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Rameez Raja (PAK) [/td][td]98 [/td][td]2840 [/td][td]113 [/td][td]30.86 [/td][td]64.48 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Haynes (WI) [/td][td]169 [/td][td]6338 [/td][td]152* [/td][td]43.41 [/td][td]63.97 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Gavaskar (INDIA) [/td][td]108 [/td][td]3092 [/td][td]103* [/td][td]35.13 [/td][td]62.26 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RB Richardson (WI) [/td][td]120 [/td][td]3530 [/td][td]110 [/td][td]34.6 [/td][td]61.75 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GM Wood (AUS) [/td][td]83 [/td][td]2219 [/td][td]114* [/td][td]33.62 [/td][td]59.57 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GR Marsh (AUS) [/td][td]78 [/td][td]2923 [/td][td]126* [/td][td]40.04 [/td][td]56.85 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JG Wright (NZ) [/td][td]119 [/td][td]3183 [/td][td]101 [/td][td]27.2 [/td][td]56.4 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mudassar Nazar (PAK) [/td][td]122 [/td][td]2653 [/td][td]95 [/td][td]25.26 [/td][td]51.71 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
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Odi cricket was a different ball game back then.

More importantly, Strike Rates dont show up everything unless you watched the entire career of the players.

For example, in current era, Guptill and Rohit have lower Strike Rate than Amla/Williamson but anyone who have watched all play would agree that the former two were far more explosive players than latter two. Same for Ganguly or Dravid or Inzy. Dravid definitely had SR issues which is why he isn't regarded as a great ODI player but just a good one.

You gotta watch a player otherwise you cant really make any claims.

Rohit Sharma has strike rate of around 88 in OD
 
He was more a singles guy. Always focused on strike rotation, preserving wicket. Great survival instincts. You can compare with Dhoni except Dhoni in the last few overs is a monster.
 
Pre-90's stats for ODI batsman (min 2000 runs) sorted by Strike Rate.

[table=width: 600, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]HS [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]N Kapil Dev (INDIA) [/td][td]149 [/td][td]2940 [/td][td]175* [/td][td]26.48 [/td][td]101.44 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IVA Richards (WI) [/td][td]175 [/td][td]6442 [/td][td]189* [/td][td]48.43 [/td][td]90.96 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]44 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saleem Malik (PAK) [/td][td]105 [/td][td]2803 [/td][td]102 [/td][td]32.97 [/td][td]86.14 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zaheer Abbas (PAK) [/td][td]62 [/td][td]2572 [/td][td]123 [/td][td]47.62 [/td][td]84.8 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DI Gower (ENG) [/td][td]105 [/td][td]3030 [/td][td]158 [/td][td]32.23 [/td][td]76.01 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GS Chappell (AUS) [/td][td]74 [/td][td]2331 [/td][td]138* [/td][td]40.18 [/td][td]75.7 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DM Jones (AUS) [/td][td]84 [/td][td]3044 [/td][td]121 [/td][td]45.43 [/td][td]75.57 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]23 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AJ Lamb (ENG) [/td][td]89 [/td][td]3072 [/td][td]118 [/td][td]42.66 [/td][td]75.25 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imran Khan (PAK) [/td][td]136 [/td][td]2759 [/td][td]102* [/td][td]32.45 [/td][td]74.87 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MD Crowe (NZ) [/td][td]82 [/td][td]2455 [/td][td]105* [/td][td]34.09 [/td][td]74.62 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AL Logie (WI) [/td][td]114 [/td][td]2213 [/td][td]109* [/td][td]36.27 [/td][td]73.39 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]K Srikkanth (INDIA) [/td][td]124 [/td][td]3486 [/td][td]123 [/td][td]29.05 [/td][td]72.17 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MW Gatting (ENG) [/td][td]85 [/td][td]2049 [/td][td]115* [/td][td]31.52 [/td][td]71.12 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AR Border (AUS) [/td][td]194 [/td][td]4897 [/td][td]127* [/td][td]31.19 [/td][td]70.08 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]32 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Javed Miandad (PAK) [/td][td]158 [/td][td]5343 [/td][td]119* [/td][td]44.15 [/td][td]69.17 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]37 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Azharuddin (INDIA) [/td][td]98 [/td][td]2252 [/td][td]108* [/td][td]31.27 [/td][td]68.3 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DB Vengsarkar (INDIA) [/td][td]124 [/td][td]3417 [/td][td]105 [/td][td]35.22 [/td][td]67.59 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DC Boon (AUS) [/td][td]81 [/td][td]2636 [/td][td]122 [/td][td]33.79 [/td][td]67.53 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CG Greenidge (WI) [/td][td]116 [/td][td]4869 [/td][td]133* [/td][td]46.81 [/td][td]66.32 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]30 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RJ Shastri (INDIA) [/td][td]119 [/td][td]2323 [/td][td]102 [/td][td]29.03 [/td][td]65.52 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]14 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GA Gooch (ENG) [/td][td]76 [/td][td]2996 [/td][td]142 [/td][td]41.61 [/td][td]65 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Rameez Raja (PAK) [/td][td]98 [/td][td]2840 [/td][td]113 [/td][td]30.86 [/td][td]64.48 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Haynes (WI) [/td][td]169 [/td][td]6338 [/td][td]152* [/td][td]43.41 [/td][td]63.97 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Gavaskar (INDIA) [/td][td]108 [/td][td]3092 [/td][td]103* [/td][td]35.13 [/td][td]62.26 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RB Richardson (WI) [/td][td]120 [/td][td]3530 [/td][td]110 [/td][td]34.6 [/td][td]61.75 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GM Wood (AUS) [/td][td]83 [/td][td]2219 [/td][td]114* [/td][td]33.62 [/td][td]59.57 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]11 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GR Marsh (AUS) [/td][td]78 [/td][td]2923 [/td][td]126* [/td][td]40.04 [/td][td]56.85 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JG Wright (NZ) [/td][td]119 [/td][td]3183 [/td][td]101 [/td][td]27.2 [/td][td]56.4 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mudassar Nazar (PAK) [/td][td]122 [/td][td]2653 [/td][td]95 [/td][td]25.26 [/td][td]51.71 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
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Kapil Dev was a real destroyer of a batsman. He could walk into any team today with ease.
 
So in all you could name only one batsman, Viv Richards. And that's why Viv is regarded the greatest ODI batsman of all time.




Well, if you look at the list posted by 'Jeetu' a few posts above, amongst Pre-90's ODI players list, he was only bested by 3 players in terms of a higher average and a higher SR...that tells us he was one of the top 5 ODI players ion his playing days.

Only towards the last 5-6 years, his numbers went down when injury and on and off selection took its toll on his overall average and SR!
 
Kapil Dev was a real destroyer of a batsman. He could walk into any team today with ease.



Yep, at a 26 average he was gonna score 50's and 100's every time he walked on the field to help win games with his batting, right? :-)

Going by the same logic, Afridi was a much better ODI batsman with a T20-esque SR (117 vs Kapil's 101) and only a few points lower average (2.5 lower than Kapil)...and we Pak fans don't even think he was much of a batsman to begin with
 
His batting was fine for the 70's and 80's. The only exceptional batsmen were Viv and Zaheer Abbas who used to bat atca frenetic pace even back then. I suspect that Miandad was very poor in the years leading to the 1996 world cup both by his own standards as well the general pace of ODI cricket by then.
 
Well, if you look at the list posted by 'Jeetu' a few posts above, amongst Pre-90's ODI players list, he was only bested by 3 players in terms of a higher average and a higher SR...that tells us he was one of the top 5 ODI players ion his playing days.

Only towards the last 5-6 years, his numbers went down when injury and on and off selection took its toll on his overall average and SR!

When did I ever deny that Miandad was a good ODI batsman? Look at my very first post on this thread, I said that SR of good players during his time was generally in the 60's. The talk was about Sachin's numbers. The way you spoke it appeared as if there were plenty of players before him and during his time with better averages and SR than him. And yet you could name only one such player, Viv Richards.
 
Yep, at a 26 average he was gonna score 50's and 100's every time he walked on the field to help win games with his batting, right? :-)

Going by the same logic, Afridi was a much better ODI batsman with a T20-esque SR (117 vs Kapil's 101) and only a few points lower average (2.5 lower than Kapil)...and we Pak fans don't even think he was much of a batsman to begin with

Khabardaar KKWC!

Kapil was the most destructive batsman of pre 90s era. It is a fact proven by word of mouth and statistics both.

Not only was he the most destructive batsman of his era, he was by far the most destructive. That is a huge achievement.
 
When did I ever deny that Miandad was a good ODI batsman? Look at my very first post on this thread, I said that SR of good players during his time was generally in the 60's. The talk was about Sachin's numbers. The way you spoke it appeared as if there were plenty of players before him and during his time with better averages and SR than him. And yet you could name only one such player, Viv Richards.

3 compared to 1, not a huge gap, is it? Stop nitpicking!
 
Khabardaar KKWC!

Kapil was the most destructive batsman of pre 90s era. It is a fact proven by word of mouth and statistics both.

Not only was he the most destructive batsman of his era, he was by far the most destructive. That is a huge achievement.




At an average of 26, the word batsman is a bit misleading; you do know even 26 average was achieved with some NO's as well, so in reality it even lower!

At best, that average defines a guy with a hara kari attitude which def was how he always batted...tukka lag gaya to paar hai!
 
Yep, at a 26 average he was gonna score 50's and 100's every time he walked on the field to help win games with his batting, right? :-)

Going by the same logic, Afridi was a much better ODI batsman with a T20-esque SR (117 vs Kapil's 101) and only a few points lower average (2.5 lower than Kapil)...and we Pak fans don't even think he was much of a batsman to begin with

Afridi managed such low average despite opening in 140+ games. Kapil mostly batted at 7th or 8th position so the average is respectable.
 
3 compared to 1, not a huge gap, is it? Stop nitpicking!

Except that Sachin had an SR of 86 odd even back in the 90's while Miandad retired with an SR of 67 odd in 96'. And it's not as if players from the 90's were known to have SR's like today's players. They too used to have SR in the 60's or low 70's with a very few exceptions. There's a reason why Sachin has always been considered the 2nd best ODI batsman of all time after Viv until Kohli started giving him a run for his money.
 
3 compared to 1, not a huge gap, is it? Stop nitpicking!

And who is nitpicking? You are the ones speaking of how Miandad declined in the 90's citing reasons. I'm speaking of his entire career. That's what counts, not a certain period of a player's career.
 
Javed Miandad is an alltime great.

Best Asian Batsmen in order in my opinion:

Sunil Gavaskar
Sachin Tendulkar
Hanif Mohammad
Javed Miandad
Inzamam
Dravid
Sangakara

People will disagree but thats my opinion but it's not just based on batting talent but the era they were playing, the pitches, quality of bowlers faced, mental strength, winning / saving matches, averages etc.
 
Javed Miandad is an alltime great.

Best Asian Batsmen in order in my opinion:

Sunil Gavaskar
Sachin Tendulkar
Hanif Mohammad
Javed Miandad
Inzamam
Dravid
Sangakara

People will disagree but thats my opinion but it's not just based on batting talent but the era they were playing, the pitches, quality of bowlers faced, mental strength, winning / saving matches, averages etc.

Seriously? Gavaskar tops the list as ODI bat? If you are gonna say the list is for overall batsmen then you need to read the thread title and OP again as it is clearly regarding ODIs.
 
Sachin maintained that for freaking 463 odis, thats not 'longevity' but 'insane longevity'. Thats almost richards + javed + zaheer careers all combined.
 
Seriously? Gavaskar tops the list as ODI bat? If you are gonna say the list is for overall batsmen then you need to read the thread title and OP again as it is clearly regarding ODIs.

Your right. apologies i didn't read it.
 
Different era of cricket and a different way of batting and Miandad was always a batsman who relied more on singles and strike rotation rather than big hits.

But what a batsman he was!
 
Those were early days of ODI cricket so lower SRs were the norm.

That said, unlike some posters here I don't have any doubt about JM's hitting ability. He hit greatest ODI six of past century when it was needed, in a clutch situation.

These days, there are so many players who are easily averaging 45-55 with SRs of 85-105... soon we might see likes of Rohit or Guptill scoring a 300. That sums it all up.

PS: What a beast Viv was. I doubt cricket will ever see a batsman like him.
 
Those were early days of ODI cricket so lower SRs were the norm.

That said, unlike some posters here I don't have any doubt about JM's hitting ability. He hit greatest ODI six of past century when it was needed, in a clutch situation.

These days, there are so many players who are easily averaging 45-55 with SRs of 85-105... soon we might see likes of Rohit or Guptill scoring a 300. That sums it all up.

PS: What a beast Viv was. I doubt cricket will ever see a batsman like him.

Viv to ODIs in 80s was what Bradman was in tests. We will never, ever see anybody dominating ODIs as much as Viv again.
 
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