Javed Miandad's weird relationship with Imran Khan

[Savak]

Everyone knew these 2 were extremely competitive and in many ways vary of each other but were mature enough to work together for the betterment of the team, an example which sadly future generations were never able to follow. JM in his autobiography and in many interviews has criticized IK for playing an instrumental role in having him removed from the captaincy in 1993, for not giving him the opportunity to score a triple century and his views on Pakistan Cricket. He even goes far as to mention in his autobiography that there is no point of speaking good english, of having an oxford education if you cannot implement it with character.

The hilarious part about the whole thing is that Miandad never has the guts to confront or say these things to IK on his face. For e.g. there was once a very special episode on GEO Super where they literally invited almost all of Pakistan Cricket legends whoever was alive on a tv show to discuss the problems of Pakistan Cricket and its solutions. Aamir Sohail, Abdul Qadir, Javed Miandad e.t.c were there. IK was invited but they were not anticipating he would attend given his political commitments. JM kept on going on and on criticizing IK vision for Pakistan Cricket, being a proponent of regional cricket and being against dept cricket and then out of the blue in comes IK walking in and everyone is shocked, , IK then gives his speech and talks about abolishing dept cricket and supporting regional cricket, JM a few minutes later starts buttering up to IK by admiring his cricketing achievements and how he spoke to IK many times in the past about Pakistan Cricket and how he agrees with improving Pakistan Cricket, it was funny to see such a shameless U turn, in fact Aamir Sohail had more guts and stuck to his guns and even confronted IK over his support for regional cricket over departmental cricket.

Now JM has supported IK in his latest jalsa even though he has deep PPP connections, I am just a little confused about JM equation with IK, does he suffer from an inferiority complex against the guy? How can you stand on a political platform with someone after you have made so many serious allegations against him behind his back?

 

[JaDed]

What's the difference between departmental cricket and regional cricket?

 

[Zeshan547]

By the way what you or anyone else have to do with it? It's their personal life, and we have no right to comment about anyone's personal life and and relations on a public forum, please grow up.,

 

[iafzal]

Not sure where you are getting some of this information. Could be hear say.

All I know IK had great respect as a player and said in his autobiography that JM would be his first choice to play on his team. I have heard Miandad say nice thing about IK including recent support.

I have great appreciation and respect for both for what they have done for Pak cricket as players.

 

[Savak]

By the way what you or anyone else have to do with it? It's their personal life, and we have no right to comment about anyone's personal life and and relations on a public forum, please grow up.,

These things have been revealed in public. JM autobiography is sold to the public. Any smart journalist would ask him these tough questions as to why does he say one thing about another person behind his back and act completely different when he comes across the same person face to face?

 

[DW44]

Speaking strictly from a personal POV, I've always put JM in the same category as Inzamam and Yousuf. Good(great in JM's case) cricketers but highly unpleasant individuals off the field who have done their fair share of damage to the team due to their corrosive personalities. IK, privately, doesn't have very flattering things to say about JM the person but he still swears by JM the batsman.

 

[Gigii]

Didn't Javed happily give back the captaincy to Imran each time he came back from missing a series?

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

We humans have our frailties. Also in the past as the OP suggests they put their differences aside played for the team when it mattered. If JM is supporting IK in his Jalsa and doing so because he believes something good will come out this, good on him.

 

[Strike Rate]

What some people dont know is Javed had the biggest ego in Pakistan cricket but he surrendered it to IK in favor of Pakistan to prove his ego is not bigger than the team. Imran and Javed both played for sussex from 1976 to 79 and they stayed together for 3 years in England. They are very good friends and friends always have issues thats not something new. Miandad even mentioned that now when he look back at that 280 he think Imran did the right thing because winning the match was more important than me scoring 300 or breaking Gerry Sobers record of 365.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

A guy on PP with the name of Wristy_shuffler provided such a nice & full of knowledge link in the Thread: "For me playing for Pakistan was the greatest test and honour" : Javed Miandad
regarding the relation of IK & JM, here I attached that too for you guys.


http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/471978.html

 

[junaid.ahmed]

What some people dont know is Javed had the biggest ego in Pakistan cricket but he surrendered it to IK in favor of Pakistan to prove his ego is bot bigger than the team. Imran and Javed both played for sussex from 1976 to 79 and they stayed together for 3 years in England. They are very good friends and friends always have issues that not something new. Miandad even mentioned that now when he look back at that 280 he think Imran did the right thing because winning the match was more important than me scoring 300 or breaking Gerry Sobers record of 365.

true.
actually peoples likes to make a mole out of the hill

 

[Shabbir_ul_Haq]

both Javed and Imran behaved like Goons on the field and off the field

 

[KarachiKing]

A guy on PP with the name of Wristy_shuffler provided such a nice & full of knowledge link in the Thread: "For me playing for Pakistan was the greatest test and honour" : Javed Miandad
regarding the relation of IK & JM, here I attached that too for you guys.


http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/471978.html

links not working.

and its a cricinfo link

 

[Fastandfurious]

Speaking strictly from a personal POV, I've always put JM in the same category as Inzamam and Yousuf. Good(great in JM's case) cricketers but highly unpleasant individuals off the field who have done their fair share of damage to the team due to their corrosive personalities. IK, privately, doesn't have very flattering things to say about JM the person but he still swears by JM the batsman.

Miandad is an ATG, a level above Yousuf and Inzi who are Pakistani greats.

 

[DW44]

Miandad is an ATG, a level above Yousuf and Inzi who are Pakistani greats.

Yes, that's what I wrote..

 

[zubair007]

Imran always had a dominating personality. Add to that his convent education, his presentation of his thoughts due to superior oratory skills, his skillset as an all-rounder, and his standing among the foreign players, ex-players, commentators, and his desire to see himself as a leader. All these things made for a pretty natural position as a leader of Pakistan cricket team. During those days (mid-to-late 70's), Zaheer Abbas too was said to be harboring captaincy ambitions, and was quite distraught when Asif Iqbal was given the captaincy. With the rise of Miandad and Imran, Zaheer resigned himself to being in the team just as its premier batsman.

Miandad was appointed the captain at a very young age in 1979, and he did quite well. Even in the loss in the Australia series, made popular by the Lillee-Miandad spat, he had led very well. His brash behavior was not too kindly received by the new PCB management who asked him to step down from captaincy and appointed their favorite Imran as the captain. Imran behaved like he was the one, and the only one, for the job, and took to captaincy as duck takes to water. His confidence deterred Miandad who did not say anything, but the captaincy ambitions remained harbored deep inside. It always bothered him he was removed from captaincy even when he was doing well.
His captaincy desires were satiated every now and then when Imran missed games due to injuries and fitness issues. He had a supporter in Sarfraz Nawaz, but Imran was too powerful to let anyone in, and Javed was sharp enough to recognize which way the wind blew, and only kept the seat warm for Imran. As far as declaring against India when Javed was on 280, Imran always made sure everyone knew who was in charge. The way India played in the previous Test, and the situation they were in, in this Test, he could have waited another hour easily, even without the hindsight of the final result.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

links not working.

and its a cricinfo link

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/471978.html

may this work

 

[farsiddiqui]

Imran always had a dominating personality. Add to that his convent education, his presentation of his thoughts due to superior oratory skills, his skillset as an all-rounder, and his standing among the foreign players, ex-players, commentators, and his desire to see himself as a leader. All these things made for a pretty natural position as a leader of Pakistan cricket team. During those days (mid-to-late 70's), Zaheer Abbas too was said to be harboring captaincy ambitions, and was quite distraught when Asif Iqbal was given the captaincy. With the rise of Miandad and Imran, Zaheer resigned himself to being in the team just as its premier batsman.

Miandad was appointed the captain at a very young age in 1979, and he did quite well. Even in the loss in the Australia series, made popular by the Lillee-Miandad spat, he had led very well. His brash behavior was not too kindly received by the new PCB management who asked him to step down from captaincy and appointed their favorite Imran as the captain. Imran behaved like he was the one, and the only one, for the job, and took to captaincy as duck takes to water. His confidence deterred Miandad who did not say anything, but the captaincy ambitions remained harbored deep inside. It always bothered him he was removed from captaincy even when he was doing well.
His captaincy desires were satiated every now and then when Imran missed games due to injuries and fitness issues. He had a supporter in Sarfraz Nawaz, but Imran was too powerful to let anyone in, and Javed was sharp enough to recognize which way the wind blew, and only kept the seat warm for Imran. As far as declaring against India when Javed was on 280, Imran always made sure everyone knew who was in charge. The way India played in the previous Test, and the situation they were in, in this Test, he could have waited another hour easily, even without the hindsight of the final result.

Just want to point out a correction, based on the account of multiple cricketers' of that era. It wasn't PCB (or BCCP as it was known back then) that was unhappy with JM after the Australia tour, but the senior players that had refused to play under Miandad. BCCP was sticking to its guns and willing to send replacement players with Miandad. IK was the last hold-over, and when he also joined the other players, Miandad gave in. He went to BCCP and told them he will step down from Captaincy, but only if IK will be made the captain, instead of one of the senior instigators (I think Zaheer, specifically). After that, it was always IK with Miandad filling in. IK the leader of the team; Miandad the field captain, strategist, and tactician.

 

[Bouncer]

Actually JM didnt detail his issues with IK in Cutting Edge. He just barely mentioned them and there were many things that javed mentioned to the co-author of the book but made him promise to not to leak them to public. There was an attempted revolt in Pak cricket at a very very odd timing considering what was happening with the team. JM made the co author promise to never to leak that.

These things have been revealed in public. JM autobiography is sold to the public. Any smart journalist would ask him these tough questions as to why does he say one thing about another person behind his back and act completely different when he comes across the same person face to face?

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

Just want to point out a correction, based on the account of multiple cricketers' of that era. It wasn't PCB (or BCCP as it was known back then) that was unhappy with JM after the Australia tour, but the senior players that had refused to play under Miandad. BCCP was sticking to its guns and willing to send replacement players with Miandad. IK was the last hold-over, and when he also joined the other players, Miandad gave in. He went to BCCP and told them he will step down from Captaincy, but only if IK will be made the captain, instead of one of the senior instigators (I think Zaheer, specifically). After that, it was always IK with Miandad filling in. IK the leader of the team; Miandad the field captain, strategist, and tactician.

Yep, it was the revolt of the senior players that forced JM to step down. IK reached out to Mudassar as according to him the best advice came from him. JM just played the role of someone who was always willing to shell out advice whether it was asked or not.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan's 1992 World Cup win is still remembered as one of the unexpected results in cricket history. Pakistan's 1992 squad under former captain Imran Khan had some of the best names in the business -- Salim Malik, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Javed Miandad, Saleem Malik, Mushtaq Ahmed, Wasim Akram, Ramiz Raja - to name a few.

And yet, when Pakistan made it to the final to take on England, many expected the latter to be the favourites to win. But in the end, Imran Khan's team showed great determination and tenacity to pull off a massive win in the summit clash to win their first (and to date, only) ODI World Cup trophy.

Former Pakistan opener Aamer Sohail, in a recent conversation, recalled the historic win and said that it was Javed Miandad who made a major contribution to Pakistan's cause in the 1992 World Cu.

Speaking on the Cricket Life Stories Youtube channel, Sohail, who was a new talent in the Pakistan line-up during the 1992 World Cup, said: “The major contribution came from Javed Miandad. He was the inspiration. At one time, Imran (Khan) had given up. He was not 100 percent fit and was thinking of going back to Pakistan. But it was Javed Miandad, who kept on urging him that 'you are the captain, you have to lead from the front.

"He asked Imran not to worry about injuries because every international athlete takes ground with some kind of injury. So muster your strength, and you have to represent Pakistan. It was Miandad who actually influenced everybody. He was guiding Imran through with everything and it really worked for Pakistan," Sohail further added.

The former left-handed batsman further went on to add that Imran was great at inspiring youngsters and further recalled how the former captain helped him out during the practice games.

“Imran was great inspiration as well. He was great at giving confidence to youngsters. I was not in the final squad for the World Cup, I was on trial. So, I scored a few runs in practice games. I got a 70-odd in a practice match against South Africa in Canberra. After the game, he took me aside at the hotel reception and said, ‘you played really well. I am assuring you that you would be playing the entire World Cup. Even if you score 10 ducks in a row, I will still play you in the final'," Sohail recalled.

"That was the confidence given to a youngster by Imran Khan, and it did work most of the times. These little things combined in that famous 1992 victory,” he signed off.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...tan-s-1992-world-cup-win-101622177528279.html

 

[Napa]

Former Pakistan opener Aamer Sohail, in a recent conversation, recalled the historic win and said that it was Javed Miandad who made a major contribution to Pakistan's cause in the 1992 World Cu.

Speaking on the Cricket Life Stories Youtube channel, Sohail, who was a new talent in the Pakistan line-up during the 1992 World Cup, said: “The major contribution came from Javed Miandad. He was the inspiration. At one time, Imran (Khan) had given up. He was not 100 percent fit and was thinking of going back to Pakistan. But it was Javed Miandad, who kept on urging him that 'you are the captain, you have to lead from the front.

"He asked Imran not to worry about injuries because every international athlete takes ground with some kind of injury. So muster your strength, and you have to represent Pakistan. It was Miandad who actually influenced everybody. He was guiding Imran through with everything and it really worked for Pakistan," Sohail further added.

No doubt Miandad had great fighting spirit.

 

[hitthestump]

No doubt Miandad had great fighting spirit.

One Miandad would do wonders to our squad today. We are really looking meek, particularly in tests.

 

[shaz619]

Pakistan's 1992 World Cup win is still remembered as one of the unexpected results in cricket history. Pakistan's 1992 squad under former captain Imran Khan had some of the best names in the business -- Salim Malik, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Javed Miandad, Saleem Malik, Mushtaq Ahmed, Wasim Akram, Ramiz Raja - to name a few.

And yet, when Pakistan made it to the final to take on England, many expected the latter to be the favourites to win. But in the end, Imran Khan's team showed great determination and tenacity to pull off a massive win in the summit clash to win their first (and to date, only) ODI World Cup trophy.

Former Pakistan opener Aamer Sohail, in a recent conversation, recalled the historic win and said that it was Javed Miandad who made a major contribution to Pakistan's cause in the 1992 World Cu.

Speaking on the Cricket Life Stories Youtube channel, Sohail, who was a new talent in the Pakistan line-up during the 1992 World Cup, said: “The major contribution came from Javed Miandad. He was the inspiration. At one time, Imran (Khan) had given up. He was not 100 percent fit and was thinking of going back to Pakistan. But it was Javed Miandad, who kept on urging him that 'you are the captain, you have to lead from the front.

"He asked Imran not to worry about injuries because every international athlete takes ground with some kind of injury. So muster your strength, and you have to represent Pakistan. It was Miandad who actually influenced everybody. He was guiding Imran through with everything and it really worked for Pakistan," Sohail further added.

The former left-handed batsman further went on to add that Imran was great at inspiring youngsters and further recalled how the former captain helped him out during the practice games.

“Imran was great inspiration as well. He was great at giving confidence to youngsters. I was not in the final squad for the World Cup, I was on trial. So, I scored a few runs in practice games. I got a 70-odd in a practice match against South Africa in Canberra. After the game, he took me aside at the hotel reception and said, ‘you played really well. I am assuring you that you would be playing the entire World Cup. Even if you score 10 ducks in a row, I will still play you in the final'," Sohail recalled.

"That was the confidence given to a youngster by Imran Khan, and it did work most of the times. These little things combined in that famous 1992 victory,” he signed off.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...tan-s-1992-world-cup-win-101622177528279.html

Pakistan’s win should only be considered unexpected on the basis that the team was on the brink of an early exit, however if you ignore that then Pakistan was one of the favourites and entered the tournament on the back of an excellent record in the format.

 

[Canistani Hero]

He backs IK only when convenient for him.

 

[Majid Khan]

Miandad and Imran when they played cricket clearly had a lot of mutual respect for each other , whatever happened in the ‘heat’ of the moment.

Miandad was a great batsman, we all know that but he was also a very smart and intelligent cricketer who knew how to exploit the weaknesses of his opponents - as did Imran for that matter who was also very smart - but what Miandad offered was a ‘different’ and unconventional way of thinking.

And yet Imran without doubt had the leadership qualities and charisma that Miandad lacked , in that Imran could inspire and get the best out of others — Miandad would end up upsetting and getting other players frustrated because he often he expected them to think and play like Miandad would , but that was be never going to happen.

And Imran being a wise and pragmatic leader , always put his ego aside and knew how to get the best out of Miandad as a player and to seek his advice and input on tactics and game plan.

A great leader in any field is not one who believes he himself knows the answers to everything, but rather one who listens and consults his experts in different areas and seeks their advice when making key decisions, taking them on board rather than leaving them feeling ignored.

Pakistan cricket was lucky to have these two legends in the same era , and both doing their best in the interest of the team.

 

[gazza619]

Javed has some ill feelings towards Imran. The biggest mistake Javed did was not to retire in 1993.

Still have a bad taste in my mouth watching him play the 1996 WC where he looked like a tail ender.

 

[Savak]

Pakistan's 1992 World Cup win is still remembered as one of the unexpected results in cricket history. Pakistan's 1992 squad under former captain Imran Khan had some of the best names in the business -- Salim Malik, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Javed Miandad, Saleem Malik, Mushtaq Ahmed, Wasim Akram, Ramiz Raja - to name a few.

And yet, when Pakistan made it to the final to take on England, many expected the latter to be the favourites to win. But in the end, Imran Khan's team showed great determination and tenacity to pull off a massive win in the summit clash to win their first (and to date, only) ODI World Cup trophy.

Former Pakistan opener Aamer Sohail, in a recent conversation, recalled the historic win and said that it was Javed Miandad who made a major contribution to Pakistan's cause in the 1992 World Cu.

Speaking on the Cricket Life Stories Youtube channel, Sohail, who was a new talent in the Pakistan line-up during the 1992 World Cup, said: “The major contribution came from Javed Miandad. He was the inspiration. At one time, Imran (Khan) had given up. He was not 100 percent fit and was thinking of going back to Pakistan. But it was Javed Miandad, who kept on urging him that 'you are the captain, you have to lead from the front.

"He asked Imran not to worry about injuries because every international athlete takes ground with some kind of injury. So muster your strength, and you have to represent Pakistan. It was Miandad who actually influenced everybody. He was guiding Imran through with everything and it really worked for Pakistan," Sohail further added.

The former left-handed batsman further went on to add that Imran was great at inspiring youngsters and further recalled how the former captain helped him out during the practice games.

“Imran was great inspiration as well. He was great at giving confidence to youngsters. I was not in the final squad for the World Cup, I was on trial. So, I scored a few runs in practice games. I got a 70-odd in a practice match against South Africa in Canberra. After the game, he took me aside at the hotel reception and said, ‘you played really well. I am assuring you that you would be playing the entire World Cup. Even if you score 10 ducks in a row, I will still play you in the final'," Sohail recalled.

"That was the confidence given to a youngster by Imran Khan, and it did work most of the times. These little things combined in that famous 1992 victory,” he signed off.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...tan-s-1992-world-cup-win-101622177528279.html

Please take anything Aamir Sohail with a grain of salt. The guy is a known Miandad Sympathizer and has always propogated that IK got too much credit for the 1992 WC win then he deserved. He has also been a staunch supporter of the departments and against the Sheffield Shield Model IK has been trying to set up in Pakistan.

 

[Saj]

Pakistan cricket was lucky to have these two legends in the same era , and both doing their best in the interest of the team.

This is the key sentence.

Whatever personal issues they had, whatever differences they had, they both knew how to get the best out of each other, to work together for the benefit of Pakistan cricket and the team and to ensure that nothing got in the way of their efforts for the team.

Imran Khan has always spoken very highly of Javed Miandad as someone with a great cricketing brain and tactical awareness.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Was this that point?


"He asked Imran not to worry about injuries because every international athlete takes ground with some kind of injury. So muster your strength, and you have to represent Pakistan. It was Miandad who actually influenced everybody. He was guiding Imran through with everything and it really worked for Pakistan"

 

[MenInG]

Javed Miandad speaking to reporters:

"I have no feud with Imran, I specifically told him not to abolish the departmental cricket but he did not listen to me - Had I been with him [Imran Khan] then things wouldn't have been this bad"

 

[TheSultan]

Miandad has spoken glowingly about Imran in his autobiography.

They have both praised each other and criticised each other privately and publically.

The flip flopping that Miandad did on that show is not a reflection on him, it is a reflection of Pakistan society in general and Pakistani etiquettes. It may not be right, but it is what it is. Even the worst of enemies can be in the same room and show some warmth.

This is also why you see a lot of ex cricketers flip flopping their opinions. I think Tanvir Ahmed explained it the best. These people have to do Salam dua at functions in front of families so keep saying things differently at different points - I don’t see any of them anywhere so I can say what I please!

Regardless, there is no doubt both Imran and Miandad despite any differences they had (and they had many) had a deep and mutual respect as cricketers. They respected each other’s ability and willingness to give it their all.