Jofra Archer upset by 'disturbing racial abuse'

[Abdullah719]

England bowler Jofra Archer has claimed he was subjected to racial abuse by a spectator in the Test defeat to New Zealand.

"A bit disturbing hearing racial insults today whilst battling to help save my team," Archer said on Twitter. "The crowd was been amazing this week except for that one guy, the Barmy Army was good as usual also."

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...racial-abuse-in-england-defeat-to-new-zealand

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A bit disturbing hearing racial insults today whilst battling to help save my team , the crowd was been amazing this week except for that one guy , <a href="https://twitter.com/TheBarmyArmy?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheBarmyArmy</a> was good as usual also</p>— Jofra Archer (@JofraArcher) <a href="https://twitter.com/JofraArcher/status/1198870354980040714?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[angrypathan]

Disgusting. No place for racism anywhere in the world, let alone sport

 

[Abdullah719]

NZC to apologise to Archer

New Zealand Cricket will be contacting, and apologising to English fast bowler Jofra Archer, who was racially abused by a spectator as he left the field at the conclusion of the first Test at Bay Oval, Mt Maunganui.

Although security providers at the venue were unable to locate the perpetrator, NZC will be examining CCTV footage and making further inquiries tomorrow in an endeavour to identify the man responsible.

NZC has zero tolerance towards abusive or offensive language at any of its venues and will refer any developments in the case to police.

It will contact Mr Archer tomorrow to apologise for the unacceptable experience, and to promise increased vigilance in the matter when the teams next meet in Hamilton.

 

[Aman]

Disappointing, I hope the offender is found and banned from attending matches.

Zero tolerance.

 

[Hawkeye]

Even though boards are not responsible for what a random spectator spews, you can expect only NZC to go above and beyond to correct this and even apologize.

One of the most civilized countries.

There's always someone in the crowd who spews venom, happens all over the world, it's sad but a bitter reality.

 

[Hyperion66]

That racist dingbat should be identified, caught and banned from attending all sports not just cricket.

 

[pillionrider]

Very carefully and smartly worded by Jofra to specify 'one guy.'

 

[Tubs]

I've never been to a match in person, how much can the players realistically hear? Being a test match makes it easier due to the smaller crowds, but how can Archer be sure that it was only one person?

 

[lifecric7]

I've never been to a match in person, how much can the players realistically hear? Being a test match makes it easier due to the smaller crowds, but how can Archer be sure that it was only one person?

There are periods when crowd is quiet and you can really shout and It can be heard.. other is people near the exit gates to the pavilion you can clearly hear as a player what someone is saying. This idiot may be somewhere there

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Isn’t Ben stokes from New Zealand

Archer is well within his rights to exercise his annoyance at unwarranted abuse levelled at him personally , I’m sure the players will recover from the loss but racist abuse is much more serious

 

[Abdullah719]

'Racist abuse is against everything we as Kiwis are about' – Williamson

Kane Williamson, the New Zealand captain, strongly condemned the racist abuse faced by England's Jofra Archer during the first Test between the sides at Mount Maunganui, offering the bowler an apology on behalf of his countrymen.

"It is against everything that we as Kiwis are about, and I certainly hope that nothing like that ever happens again,” Williamson told stuff.co.nz, reacting to the incident of Monday, 26 November. "I can only apologise on behalf of Kiwis to Jofra, not only from our team and how we look to conduct ourselves, but what we expect of Kiwis in general."

Archer, whose battling 30 in England's second innings delayed the hosts' victory, came in for abuse reportedly while walking back to the pavilion after his knock on the final day. The England and Wales Cricket Board said the bowler raised the issue with stadium security. However, the miscreant could not be immediately identified. Archer took to Twitter after the conclusion of the game to share his disappointment at what happened, even as New Zealand Cricket tendered their apology to him and promised to try and identify the spectator.

Williamson said his team, with a win in their sights, had not noticed what was going on in the stands, but he was "100 per cent" shocked at the incident.

Calling for collective action to prevent such occurrences, he added, "It’s a horrific thing. In a country, and a setting where it is very much multi-cultural, it's something we need to put to bed quickly and hope nothing like that ever happens again. It certainly won’t if there’s any influence we can have on it."

New Zealand Cricket have promised more vigilance during the second Test in Hamilton, which starts on 29 November.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1505369

 

[Abdullah719]

Jofra Archer needs support after racist abuse, says Ashley Giles

Spoiler

Jofra Archer's England team-mates must rally round the paceman after the racist abuse he suffered during the first Test in New Zealand, says ECB director of cricket Ashley Giles.

Archer revealed on Twitter the "disturbing" abuse from "one guy" shortly after the tourists were routed by an innings in Mount Maunganui.

The ECB is investigating reports that the person who racially abused Archer has since contacted the England bowler directly on social media. It is not clear at this stage whether that contact formed part of an apology, or further abuse.

New Zealand Cricket (NZC) is attempting to locate the alleged offender, with the governing body's chief executive warning they could face criminal charges as well as being banned for life from attending any future matches involving the Black Caps.

"If we do find the person, we'll refer them to the police, I think that's appropriate in this case," NZC chief executive David White told 1 News. "My sense is that person should not be allowed into a cricket ground for the rest of their lives in New Zealand."

Giles has been liaising with the home board in his role as managing director of the England men's team and is also checking in with the 24-year-old Archer.

Giles said: "It was obviously emotional, it hurts.

"We fully support Jofra, obviously, there is no place for racism in the game, in any game. Jofra is part of our team but, whatever the abuse, we'd be absolutely right behind him. He's a very important part of our team.

"You know what our team is like, they'll rally round him pretty well I should imagine. But it's a serious incident. He's a young man making his way in the game and we just don't need this sort of thing."

It is believed that a rogue individual is to blame, but Giles has left no doubt one racist heckler is one too many to abide.

Giles added: "We're working really closely with New Zealand Cricket and I've spoken to their chief executive this morning. They are obviously incredibly concerned that this happened on their patch. At the moment we believe it's an isolated incident but we'll know more once the investigation is finished.

"I'm hopeful they will find out who it is. There's a lot of CCTV around the grounds, I'm hoping someone else who was there might also identify the person but they're working very hard to find the culprit.

"It's a problem in sport still, clearly. It's terrible in this day and age that this sort of thing is still happening and when it does happen and that person isn't identified much quicker, even by the people around them it's really disappointing."

England are heading inland for Thursday's second Test at Hamilton, where New Zealand Cricket has promised increased security on the ground, with Giles revealing that White has also volunteered to step in personally to reassure the team.

He said: "I do know David is travelling down to Hamilton as well to meet the team as they come off the bus," he said.

"It is very kind of him. It isn't a New Zealand Cricket problem, the relationship between us and them is very strong, but it's a nice gesture in his part. One person shouldn't ruin that but it's a shame that sort of thing is still in our society."

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...-support-after-racist-abuse-says-ashley-giles

 

[hadi123]

Disgusting. Ban him from all sports

 

[Robert]

Kane Williamson is being a really good egg about this, apologising to Archer for the racist yobbo and offering to meet to talk about it.

What an impressive gent, a true New Zealander!

 

[sunny85]

It's a norm , nothing to be offended about. Sarfi said some racial colour abuses in South Africa : which was considered normal. So i don't know what was said to Archer. He should move on. Better get used to racial abuses. World is not perfect. There are imperfections and aberrations.

 

[Technics 1210]

What a snowflake. One guy, and suddenly its a headline, and Jofra needs support?

What was said exactly? Anyone know?

The reality is that racism does occur, it should be stamped out, but you will only make matters worse by sensationalising what is essentially a non-story compared to the levels of racism non-white players were subjected to during the 80s and 90s.

Jofra needs to toughen up or quit Test cricket altogether.

 

[Hawkeye]

It's a norm , nothing to be offended about. Sarfi said some racial colour abuses in South Africa : which was considered normal. So i don't know what was said to Archer. He should move on. Better get used to racial abuses. World is not perfect. There are imperfections and aberrations.

What a snowflake. One guy, and suddenly its a headline, and Jofra needs support?

What was said exactly? Anyone know?

The reality is that racism does occur, it should be stamped out, but you will only make matters worse by sensationalising what is essentially a non-story compared to the levels of racism non-white players were subjected to during the 80s and 90s.

Jofra needs to toughen up or quit Test cricket altogether.

What drivel. Clowns.

He's a non-white for starters. Who do you think he is? Second, talking about publicly means it will be brought down and controlled. Not 'not talking about it'.

Third, Sarfraz should have been banned for an year or two for his racist slurs.

 

[Technics 1210]

What drivel. Clowns.

He's a non-white for starters. Who do you think he is? Second, talking about publicly means it will be brought down and controlled. Not 'not talking about it'.

Third, Sarfraz should have been banned for an year or two for his racist slurs.

Thank you for stating the obvious, read my post again, he is not the first and not the past non-white cricketer to be subjected to racism, nothing compared to the 80s and 90s.

The problem in this world is not clowns, but you snowflakes.

Come back to me when you know what was said, until then, enjoy the sensationalism.

 

[Abdullah719]

What a snowflake. One guy, and suddenly its a headline,

That's one racist idiot too many.

Jofra just did a (carefully worded) tweet. Now the guy deserves whatever is coming his way.

 

[Technics 1210]

That's one racist idiot too many.

Jofra just did a (carefully worded) tweet. Now the guy deserves whatever is coming his way.

Yes 1 too many, but tweeting about 1 guy, who said something which is unknown to the public, expecting support and sympathy, is 100% sensationalising. On top of this the ECB are claiming Jofra needs support. Really?

If this one guy is racist, report it, but no need to make a song and dance of it on social media.

 

[Abdullah719]

Yes 1 too many, but tweeting about 1 guy, who said something which is unknown to the public, expecting support and sympathy, is 100% sensationalising. On top of this the ECB are claiming Jofra needs support. Really?

If this one guy is racist, report it, but no need to make a song and dance of it on social media.

He said 'disturbing racial insults', now you can't expect him to go around repeating them...

I don't think Jofra asked for any sympathy. ECB are doing their bit - nothing wrong with it. The more negative attention racism receives whenever any incidents like this happen, the better.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It does sound a bit extra to be complaining about one bloke shouting racist abuse, but I guess it is still one too many. For those of us who can remember England games, the one held in that cess pool of a city Sunderland between England and Turkey would have had a few ears burning. There wasn't just one guy, large sections of the stadium were singing "I would rather be a P_ki than a Turk". Those were the days.

 

[HitWicket]

What a snowflake. One guy, and suddenly its a headline, and Jofra needs support?

What was said exactly? Anyone know?

The reality is that racism does occur, it should be stamped out, but you will only make matters worse by sensationalising what is essentially a non-story compared to the levels of racism non-white players were subjected to during the 80s and 90s.

Jofra needs to toughen up or quit Test cricket altogether.

Yes, racism should be tucked under the carpet and the director of the team should completely ignore any of his members coming to him with complaints of racism rather than back them and assist them in making a complaint.

 

[Shazzam]

Surprised this man who acts tough on the field is acting like a helpless snowflake outside of it. I expected better from a fearsome fast bowler.

 

[andy0204]

What a snowflake. One guy, and suddenly its a headline, and Jofra needs support?

What was said exactly? Anyone know?

The reality is that racism does occur, it should be stamped out, but you will only make matters worse by sensationalising what is essentially a non-story compared to the levels of racism non-white players were subjected to during the 80s and 90s.

Jofra needs to toughen up or quit Test cricket altogether.

This is the reason he will never succeed,he could have written the same thing in his autobiography after retirement.

 

[HitWicket]

This is the reason he will never succeed,he could have written the same thing in his autobiography after retirement.

He'll never succeed because he publicly calls out racists? Wow...

 

[andy0204]

He'll never succeed because he publicly calls out racists? Wow...

he wrote it on twitter this means he needs PR.

 

[HitWicket]

So what he could have tell that in the interview.

What interview?

But he wrote it on twitter this means he needs PR.

Or that racism is wrong and should be called out? Something you seemingly don't agree with.

 

[andy0204]

What interview?



Or that racism is wrong and should be called out? Something you seemingly don't agree with.

Racism is there i agree with you,But why you are making a big issue and on top of that this guy needs golden treatment,you don't get it,you have to earn it.

 

[Technics 1210]

He said 'disturbing racial insults', now you can't expect him to go around repeating them...

I don't think Jofra asked for any sympathy. ECB are doing their bit - nothing wrong with it. The more negative attention racism receives whenever any incidents like this happen, the better.

What is Jofra expecting after tweeting about it? Is he telling us something new? As I said, he is not the first non-white player to be subjected to racism and he will not be the last. This is not to say that racism should be accepted, it must never be expected, but Jofra is doing himself no favours by tweeting about 1 guy, on an issue that has existed since the dawn of mankind. That 1 guy is not a representation of the Kiwis, but Jofra's actions now mean he will be accused of playing the victim card because he lost the match.

Highlighting institutional racism is one thing, highlighting every instance of racism, or what is perceived to be racism, is quite another.

As for the ECB, their efforts are confined to cricket obviously, meaning ECB can stamp out racism from the ground, or the game, but not from the society.

 

[HitWicket]

Racism is there i agree with you,But why you are making a big issue and on top of that this guy needs golden treatment,you don't get it,you have to earn it.

He's called out the behaviour publicly and gone to the ECB to help make an official complaint. That's not making a big issue out of it, that's a suitable reaction.

Jeez, it gets worse. You have to earn the right to call out racism?

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes, racism should be tucked under the carpet and the director of the team should completely ignore any of his members coming to him with complaints of racism rather than back them and assist them in making a complaint.

Racism is also subjective, if I had the mind of Jofra, and someone called me an Indian, I would claim I have been racially insulted.

Cast your mind back to 2012, when Dhoni was the subject of racial abuse when he ran out Ian Bell despite the Umpire calling *over*. Guess what Dhoni did next?

 

[HitWicket]

Racism is also subjective, if I had the mind of Jofra, and someone called me an Indian, I would claim I have been racially insulted.

Cast your mind back to 2012, when Dhoni was the subject of racial abuse when he ran out Ian Bell despite the Umpire calling *over*. Guess what Dhoni did next?

Shouting stereotypes about someone because of their race isn't subjective, it's racism.

You'll have to remind me of the racial abuse Dhoni was subject to.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You know racism used to be endorsed by law not that long ago in Australia? Didn't they have some sort of white supremacy law back in the 70's? NZ isn't too far from there, just shows how far we've come that one man shouting racist abuse is called out.

 

[Technics 1210]

Shouting stereotypes about someone because of their race isn't subjective, it's racism.

It is subjective. You would not cry racist if a positive stereotype based on race was said about Indians, would you? No.

Racism is defined as discrimination, don't confuse racism with prejudice.

You'll have to remind me of the racial abuse Dhoni was subject to.

From memory :

"Go back to your effing country where you belong"

"Put Put Ding Ding move along the bus please" [In an Indian accent while wobbling their heads].

 

[Technics 1210]

You know racism used to be endorsed by law not that long ago in Australia? Didn't they have some sort of white supremacy law back in the 70's? NZ isn't too far from there, just shows how far we've come that one man shouting racist abuse is called out.

We have not come far at all.

As far as I remember, in the past 40+ years, every effort has been made to tackle racism; education, equality laws, positive representation, the lot - it has made no difference in society, in fact, racism is more prevalent now than ever before.

 

[HitWicket]

It is subjective. You would not cry racist if a positive stereotype based on race was said about Indians, would you? No.

Racism is defined as discrimination, don't confuse racism with prejudice.

Yes, I would. It's discriminating against people by using the stereotype because of their skin colour. It's racism.

From memory :

"Go back to your effing country where you belong"

"Put Put Ding Ding move along the bus please" [In an Indian accent while wobbling their heads].

Still not recalling this, some footage/news articles please? Asians being bus drivers isn't even a stereotype in the UK...

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes, I would. It's discriminating against people by using the stereotype because of their skin colour. It's racism.

OK so according to you, if someone says, South Indians are the most honest and hard working people in the world, that is racism, because it is based on their race. Okkkkaaaaayyyyyy!

Still not recalling this, some footage/news articles please? Asians being bus drivers isn't even a stereotype in the UK...

You never lived in the UK, you would not know.

The point was how Dhoni reacted. He never played the victim card, which is why he is revered.

Unlike Jofra, who is playing the racist card where ever possible, and in public - it will backfire soon.

Someone needs to tell Jofra to play these cards wisely.

 

[Abdullah719]

What is Jofra expecting after tweeting about it? Is he telling us something new? As I said, he is not the first non-white player to be subjected to racism and he will not be the last. This is not to say that racism should be accepted, it must never be expected, but Jofra is doing himself no favours by tweeting about 1 guy, on an issue that has existed since the dawn of mankind. That 1 guy is not a representation of the Kiwis, but Jofra's actions now mean he will be accused of playing the victim card because he lost the match.

Highlighting institutional racism is one thing, highlighting every instance of racism, or what is perceived to be racism, is quite another.

As for the ECB, their efforts are confined to cricket obviously, meaning ECB can stamp out racism from the ground, or the game, but not from the society.

So you're saying he can only tweet about it if "it's something new"?

He didn't say it was representative of the Kiwis, in fact he particularly said it was one person.

"He will be accused of playing the victim card" - I'm yet to see this...

ECB/NZC can't do anything about what happens in society, but if a racist comes to the ground and abuses a player during a match, he can definitely be chucked in the bin and be banned from attending future games.

 

[Technics 1210]

So it begins. These are from the comments section of The Times. Remember The Times is a broadsheet, aimed at the higher end of society.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...uring-england-defeat-in-new-zealand-q225qm7r7

15 homicides in UK every week . Not many make the press.
An idiot calls a player a racial name and it’s everywere , papers , tv and radio .

Archer surely expected this in NZ. And more to come for sure. Will prepare him for worse Down Under.

If the report intended to impress us by the shock, horror and humiliation of being asked to show a passport, or calling Jofra a 'Barbadian', it did not. You do understand that 'perception' is the only vital parameter considered now, don't you? It also makes a top-of-the-front-page story in some of the less-well edited rags.

Commenting "about the colour of my skin" doesn't meet my standard of evidence, I'm afraid, although; "Hey Jofra, your skin's black, Har, Har Har" in a NZ accent would be pretty offensive if his skin was some other colour, I suppose.

How has he identified the person on Instagram as the same alleged clown at the field? What was said on Instagram? I don't know whether to be offended about the failure of this story to ascertain fact rather than a single person's (Jofra's) account at what was obviously a well-attended event - nobody else has made any complaint at all...

You're just digging a deeper hole now. Expect a knock on the door at about 0300hrs. It's that phrase: "...the person being abused thought it was racist" that sums it up.

I feel so abused now. "Mate" indeed.

My condolences to Mr. Archer. But, this happens every day, every hour in the US when our NFL, NBA and some elected officials are criticized, yes even made fun of, when someone dislikes or disrespects them.
Just last week, a week after one of our NFL heroes pulled the helmet off a quarterback and flailed the quarterback on the head with his newly found club...... the perpetrator a week later claimed he was justified because the white quarterback said racist words..... that no one else reportedly heard at the time.
The world is full of hate crimes that go unnoticed. Our Empire TV star Jussie Smollet still hasn't been been paid for his claims of racism/ And, he was almost hung.

It goes on, and on, and on. And this is just today's article, in 1 paper.

 

[Robert]

What a snowflake. One guy, and suddenly its a headline, and Jofra needs support?

What was said exactly? Anyone know?

The reality is that racism does occur, it should be stamped out, but you will only make matters worse by sensationalising what is essentially a non-story compared to the levels of racism non-white players were subjected to during the 80s and 90s.

Jofra needs to toughen up or quit Test cricket altogether.

Racism was better in your day eh?

 

[HitWicket]

OK so according to you, if someone says, South Indians are the most honest and hard working people in the world, that is racism, because it is based on their race. Okkkkaaaaayyyyyy!

No, that'd be racist if it was said with the intent of putting someone else down based on their own race. Racism requires the intent to be to affect the enjoyment/rights/recognition of others.

You never lived in the UK, you would not know.

Eh?

The point was how Dhoni reacted. He never played the victim card, which is why he is revered.

Unlike Jofra, who is playing the racist card where ever possible, and in public - it will backfire soon.

Someone needs to tell Jofra to play these cards wisely.

The point is that you've stilled failed to provide any source of these incidents.

Calling someone out for being racial abuse isn't playing the racist card. It's both hilarious and disgusting that you complain about racism supposedly being more prevalent than ever whilst complaining about people calling out racists and people in positions able to help do something about it doing so.

 

[Technics 1210]

So you're saying he can only tweet about it if "it's something new"?

He didn't say it was representative of the Kiwis, in fact he particularly said it was one person.

"He will be accused of playing the victim card" - I'm yet to see this...

ECB/NZC can't do anything about what happens in society, but if a racist comes to the ground and abuses a player during a match, he can definitely be chucked in the bin and be banned from attending future games.

Jofra has stated the guy contacted him via social media.

Archer told ESPNcricinfo that it had been abuse from a solitary fan who had made comments “about the colour of my skin” and also claimed that the same person had contacted him on social media. Acher added: “I don’t think it would happen in England.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...uring-england-defeat-in-new-zealand-q225qm7r7

I am saying Jofra is acting like the boy that cried wolf if he runs to social media every time someone says something. No one is stopping him from reporting racism etc, but if he continues like this, reporting on the basis of what ONE guys says, the effect of his complaints will water down over time and that is when Jofra will be accused of victim mentality.

And yes, I agree, that 1 guy should be banned etc, I have not said anything to the contrary.

 

[Technics 1210]

No, that'd be racist if it was said with the intent of putting someone else down based on their own race. Racism requires the intent to be to affect the enjoyment/rights/recognition of others.

Eh?
The point is that you've stilled failed to provide any source of these incidents.

Calling someone out for being racial abuse isn't playing the racist card. It's both hilarious and disgusting that you complain about racism supposedly being more prevalent than ever whilst complaining about people calling out racists and people in positions able to help do something about it doing so.

I was there at the ground!

Your post has racist undertones. You are merely discriminating against my posts simply because I am Pakistani. I am calling racist!

See what I did here?

 

[Technics 1210]

Racism was better in your day eh?

You know that is not what I meant.

 

[HitWicket]

I was there at the ground!

Your post has racist undertones. You are merely discriminating against my posts simply because I am Pakistani. I am calling racist!

See what I did here?

People were making racist comments/actions that were audible/visible across the ground towards Dhoni and this didn't get picked up by any microphone or camera, no public statements on it from anyone and it didn't get commented on in the media at all? Right.

 

[Technics 1210]

People were making racist comments/actions that were audible/visible across the ground towards Dhoni and this didn't get picked up by any microphone or camera, no public statements on it from anyone and it didn't get commented on in the media at all? Right.

Audible/visible across the ground towards Dhoni? Who said that?

Sensationalism right there.

What are you expecting, some report akin to Monkey-Gate?

Anyway, you claim to know something about UK society despite not living in the UK is the moment I should have stopped responding to you.

Happy tweeting!

:

 

[HitWicket]

Audible/visible across the ground towards Dhoni? Who said that?

That'd be yourself when you stated that Dhoni should be revered for not publicly reacting to it clearly implying you believed he witnessed it.

(Now's the time when you start backtracking)

Curious, given I apparently don't know so myself, where do I live?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Some very poor posts by a couple of posters. Disappointing but not unexpected . Jofra is an attention seeking prat but racist abuse is absolutely inexcusable. Williamson is a great leader and the nicest guy playing this sport. Hats off to KW and Cricket New Zealand for taking this seriously.

 

[Technics 1210]

That'd be yourself when you stated that Dhoni should be revered for not publicly reacting to it clearly implying you believed he witnessed it.

You what? I said Dhoni IS revered for handling issues privately, I never stated Dhoni should be revered.

How on earth then did you arrive at the - People were making racist comments/actions that were audible/visible across the ground based on what I heard in close proximity? Stop sensationalising!

READ my posts, backpedal, and come back.

Curious, given I apparently don't know so myself, where do I live?

You clearly do not.

 

[HitWicket]

You what? I said Dhoni IS revered for handling issues privately, I never stated Dhoni should be revered.

How on earth then did you arrive at the - People were making racist comments/actions that were audible/visible across the ground based on what I heard in close proximity? Stop sensationalising!

READ my posts, backpedal, and come back.

Cast your mind back to 2012, when Dhoni was the subject of racial abuse when he ran out Ian Bell despite the Umpire calling *over*. Guess what Dhoni did next?

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The point was how Dhoni reacted. He never played the victim card, which is why he is revered.

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[Technics 1210]

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Nothing you have quoted supports your sensationalist claim. Even your bold emphasis is wrong. You claim I said Dhoni should be revered, when clearly in the quotes above I have stated HE IS revered.

Sure you live in the UK?

Try again, sooner enough you will be playing the victim card - no doubt about it.

 

[HitWicket]

Nothing you have quoted supports your sensationalist claim. Even your bold emphasis is wrong. You claim I said Dhoni should be revered, when clearly in the quotes above I have stated HE IS revered.

Sure you live in the UK?

Try again, sooner enough you will be playing the victim card - no doubt about it.

You're being pedantic. You quite literally have a post stating that the point of your previous post was about how Dhoni reacted (or the apparent lack of it) to the alleged situation. The fact you comment on his reaction to the behaviour indicates you believed he witnessed the behaviour you claim happened, something you're now backtracking on.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Some very poor posts by a couple of posters. Disappointing but not unexpected . Jofra is an attention seeking prat but racist abuse is absolutely inexcusable. Williamson is a great leader and the nicest guy playing this sport. Hats off to KW and Cricket New Zealand for taking this seriously.

What's so poor about the posts? I might not agree with them, but the comments he's posted from the Times does show what is there under the surface. NZ cricketers have handled it well, the good thing is at least you have to be anonymous these days to vent in a racist manner, back in the past you could say it openly. It's progress no doubt.

 

[HitWicket]

What's so poor about the posts? I might not agree with them, but the comments he's posted from the Times does show what is there under the surface. NZ cricketers have handled it well, the good thing is at least you have to be anonymous these days to vent in a racist manner, back in the past you could say it openly. It's progress no doubt.

Half the comments from the Times would fit perfectly in a post against his own name. Suggesting incidents of racism shouldn't be given any public exposure, suggesting Archer is lying about the incident or suggesting that because other people have faced racism in the past Archer shouldn't make incidents of racism public.

 

[Technics 1210]

You're being pedantic. You quite literally have a post stating that the point of your previous post was about how Dhoni reacted (or the apparent lack of it) to the alleged situation. The fact you comment on his reaction to the behaviour indicates you believed he witnessed the behaviour you claim happened, something you're now backtracking on.

That's some back-pedal. Awww what happened? Could not find a quote of mine to support your sensationalist lies?

Let me put it in simple English, Dhoni rarely aired anything in public when it came to cricket. What happened in the ground pretty much stayed in the ground, which is why, DHONI IS REVERED. He knew exactly how to handle such situations.

I think I know what is going on though, you do not like Dhoni. Why? Different caste? Different nationality? Why you so racist? [This comment was with my tongue firmly in my cheek in case you go on another wild sensationalist bender].

 

[HitWicket]

That's some back-pedal. Awww what happened? Could not find a quote of mine to support your sensationalist lies?

Let me put it in simple English, Dhoni rarely aired anything in public when it came to cricket. What happened in the ground pretty much stayed in the ground, which is why, DHONI IS REVERED. He knew exactly how to handle such situations.

I think I know what is going on though, you do not like Dhoni. Why? Different caste? Different nationality? Why you so racist? [This comment was with my tongue firmly in my cheek in case you go on another wild sensationalist bender].

Let me lay it out very clearly for you step by step given you are clearly struggling to comprehend even your own posts here let alone mine:

1) You made accusations of the crowd making racist comments/actions towards Dhoni. You finished this statement by asking me to guess what Dhoni did next, i.e how did he react to this ("Cast your mind back to 2012, when Dhoni was the subject of racial abuse when he ran out Ian Bell despite the Umpire calling *over*. Guess what Dhoni did next?").

2) I asked for proof of this claim.

3) You deflected and instead stated "The point was how Dhoni reacted" indicating you believe he reacted to the alleged racism.

To react/take action against this 'racism' he'd have to have been aware of it, something you're now claiming wasn't possible.

 

[Technics 1210]

Half the comments from the Times would fit perfectly in a post against his own name. Suggesting incidents of racism shouldn't be given any public exposure, suggesting Archer is lying about the incident or suggesting that because other people have faced racism in the past Archer shouldn't make incidents of racism public.

You are a liar. I never once suggested Jofra was lying. Go on, provide another quote.

Half the comments on The Times would fit perfectly because you are being provided an insight into what society really thinks, behind a screen, in pure anonymity.

You are naive and ignorant to think otherwise.

 

[Technics 1210]

Let me lay it out .

Stopped reading here.

Not interested in your hate and discrimination towards Dhoni.

 

[HitWicket]

You are a liar. I never once suggested Jofra was lying. Go on, provide another quote.

Half the comments on The Times would fit perfectly because you are being provided an insight into what society really thinks, behind a screen, in pure anonymity.

You are naive and ignorant to think otherwise.

You directly likened his actions to the boy who cried wolf. A fable about a boy who regularly lied about something occurring until no one believed him when it actually occurred...

If society thinks that racism should be publicly condemned then good on it and not hidden away.

 

[Uzi]

Find the guy and ban him from attending any matches for life, end of.

If Jofra knew who it was in the crowd that was shouting the abuse, he should have taken his bat and beat the crap out of him, just like Inzi tried to do to that Indian fan in Canada.

 

[Technics 1210]

You directly likened his actions to the boy who cried wolf. A fable about a boy who regularly made up lies about something occurring until no one believed him when it actually occurred...

OK, fair point. Finally you produce a result!

For clarity, I am not suggesting Jofra is lying.

 

[HitWicket]

Stopped reading here.

Not interested in your hate and discrimination towards Dhoni.

Remind me where the post contains any hate or discrimination against Dhoni? The only thing it contains is exposure of your lies that you conveniently want swept under the rug (just like reports of racism funnily enough).

 

[Titan24]

What a snowflake. One guy, and suddenly its a headline, and Jofra needs support?

What was said exactly? Anyone know?

The reality is that racism does occur, it should be stamped out, but you will only make matters worse by sensationalising what is essentially a non-story compared to the levels of racism non-white players were subjected to during the 80s and 90s.

Jofra needs to toughen up or quit Test cricket altogether.

I am not sure exactly what was said and it might appear that its being sensationalized.

However. if someone targets your identity and you as a human being due to your color it can definitely effect you and it effects everyone, though different people handle it in different ways depending upon their mental strength.

Yes everyone should be strong in an ideal world but not everyone is and we dont know how strong Arther is mentally outside of cricket. He should be given the support as racism is the last thing on earth you want to disturb or destroy an individual with as its nothing about the person himself rather a layer of skin on him.

That one guy made him think about his color which shouldnt be a case in any civilized society, white, black, brown etc these colors, races dont matter and shouldn't matter.

I hope Arther is a strong individual and can fight from it. If he is opening up about it this means he is disturbed by it which he has every right to, if someone doesnt take it seriously good on them for being strong but it cant take away the right of Arther to open up and get the required support from people around him.

 

[Technics 1210]

Remind me where the post contains any hate or discrimination against Dhoni? The only thing it contains is exposure of your lies that you conveniently want swept under the rug (just like reports of racism funnily enough).

What lies?

You do not like the fact Dhoni is revered - this is clear as daylight. You went as far as concocting a fake quote of mine, and by claiming you live in the UK. The only blagger here is you.

I cannot convince you with anecdotal evidence, which was never the point anyway.

You carry on with your hate champ.

 

[HitWicket]

What lies?

You do not like the fact Dhoni is revered - this is clear as daylight. You went as far as concocting a fake quote of mine, and by claiming you live in the UK. The only blagger here is you.

I cannot convince you with anecdotal evidence, which was never the point anyway.

You carry on with your hate champ.

I haven't concocted a false quote anywhere. If you're referring to my accidentally paraphrasing of "is revered" to "should be revered" then that is completely inconsequential to the debate at hand. It makes no difference. What does whether I like Dhoni or not have to do with you making up accusations of racism?

 

[Technics 1210]

I am not sure exactly what was said and it might appear that its being sensationalized.

However. if someone targets your identity and you as a human being due to your color it can definitely effect you and it effects everyone, though different people handle it in different ways depending upon their mental strength.

Yes everyone should be strong in an ideal world but not everyone is and we dont know how strong Arther is mentally outside of cricket. He should be given the support as racism is the last thing on earth you want to disturb or destroy an individual with as its nothing about the person himself rather a layer of skin on him.

That one guy made him think about his color which shouldnt be a case in any civilized society, white, black, brown etc these colors, races dont matter and shouldn't matter.

I hope Arther is a strong individual and can fight from it. If he is opening up about it this means he is disturbed by it which he has every right to, if someone doesnt take it seriously good on them for being strong but it cant take away the right of Arther to open up and get the required support from people around him.

I agree with every word, Jofra playing for England is the embodiment of racial equality. There is no greater message, but not once have I said that Archer should not have dealt with it, or should not have reported it, but my point is with respect to Jofra posting about every racial instance on social media.

 

[Technics 1210]

I haven't concocted a false quote anywhere. If you're referring to my accidentally paraphrasing of "is revered" to "should be revered" then that is completely inconsequential to the debate at hand. It makes no difference. What does whether I like Dhoni or not have to do with you making up accusations of racism?

There, was that so hard? It was an accident. Good boy.

Me providing evidence of what happened in 2012 is also inconsequential given the point was how sportsmen handle situation differently and the resulting public perception. Dhoni is REVERED.

But no, you have a problem with Dhoni, either that, or you must be the most naive and ignorant person around to believe Dhoni and Indian players were never subjected to racism in English cricket grounds.

Not really interested in your insecurities and hate, but feel free to carry on what ever point you think you may have.

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[HitWicket]

I agree with every word, Jofra playing for England is the embodiment of racial equality. There is no greater message, but not once have I said that Archer should not have dealt with it, or should not have reported it, but my point is with respect to Jofra posting about every racial instance on social media.

Where exactly were the twitter posts when he was racially abused during the Ashes? The more publicity and public criticism of incidents of racism the better. It makes it clear it's not on and reinforces the fact that people will be supported.

 

[Abdullah719]

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[andy0204]

He's called out the behaviour publicly and gone to the ECB to help make an official complaint. That's not making a big issue out of it, that's a suitable reaction.

Jeez, it gets worse. You have to earn the right to call out racism?

You dont get it what i said,i said you need to earn to get the right treatment,sure he is right but to make it publicly its wrong,when things are getting worse then only you need to express/address the situation to public/media otherwise ignore it.
It means he just needs attention.

 

[HitWicket]

You dont get it what i said,i said you need to earn to get the right treatment,sure he is right but to make it publicly its wrong,when things are getting worse then only you need to express/address the situation to public/media otherwise ignore it.
It means he just needs attention.

So he doesn't have to earn the right to call out the racism, but he has to earn the right to not be racially abused? What is this 'right treatment' you speak of?

 

[andy0204]

So he doesn't have to earn the right to call out the racism, but he has to earn the right to not be racially abused? What is this 'right treatment' you speak of?

He is demanding to be treated good for the small issue that he and ECB made it big,racism is there everywhere but sometimes you need to ignore it,if its happening again and again then you can complain/address for it.
Only one guy said to him that affected him mentally imagine what will happen in future if crowds started to boo him.
He needs to stop complaining like a school boy.

 

[Jabo]

It happens

Get over it

 

[HitWicket]

He is demanding to be treated good for the small issue that he and ECB made it big,racism is there everywhere but sometimes you need to ignore it,if its happening again and again then you can complain/address for it.
Only one guy said to him that affected him mentally imagine what will happen in future if crowds started to boo him.
He needs to stop complaining like a school boy.

They've not made it big. They've made what happened public and put in a complaint to NZC. Anything less than that would be irresponsible and a win for the racist. This is the 2nd time he's been racially abused from the crowd in the last few months. Asking not to be racially abused isn't 'demanding to be treated good'. It's what should be expected as standard. You're not seriously comparing racial abuse to booing?

 

[Technics 1210]

You dont get it what i said,i said you need to earn to get the right treatment,sure he is right but to make it publicly its wrong,when things are getting worse then only you need to express/address the situation to public/media otherwise ignore it.
It means he just needs attention.

This is Archer from a few months ago, in September 2019

“Yesterday I went to the supermarket and there was a guy who I don’t think was all the way there in the head.

“He passed me twice in the line cashing out then, when I was going through the door, he said, ‘Oh these bloody people, coming to my country.’

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/from-barbados-to-bouncers-the-rise-of-jofra-archer-td70jzdrj

Jofra is most certainty on the soft side, I think the best ECB can do is toughen him up.

 

[HitWicket]

This is Archer from a few months ago, in September 2019



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/from-barbados-to-bouncers-the-rise-of-jofra-archer-td70jzdrj

Jofra is most certainty on the soft side, I think the best ECB can do is toughen him up.

So there's clearly a case of him being repetitively racially abused, whether it be on a cricket field, on social media or just going about his daily business.

 

[Technics 1210]

So there's clearly a case of him being repetitively racially abused, whether it be on a cricket field, on social media or just going about his daily business.

You clearly have not read the entire article, but below are a few more quotes from Jofra where he admits people are not easy going and the best thing to do is commit to hardwork, put your head down, and get on with the job.

“I’d much rather someone didn’t know who I am, then they’re showing their true colours.

“If he did know what I do he probably would have gone the opposite way and wanted to shake my hand and talk about cricket.

“This is one of the things you have got to take into consideration when you’re coming to England.

“It’s not going to be like home where everyone’s the same.

“People aren’t easygoing.

“You come here, you train hard, you stay in your corner, do what you’ve got to do.

 

[andy0204]

This is Archer from a few months ago, in September 2019



https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/from-barbados-to-bouncers-the-rise-of-jofra-archer-td70jzdrj

Jofra is most certainty on the soft side, I think the best ECB can do is toughen him up.

I didnt know about it thanks for clearing.

 

[HitWicket]

You clearly have not read the entire article, but below are a few more quotes from Jofra where he admits people are not easy going and the best thing to do is commit to hardwork, put your head down, and get on with the job.

Why have I clearly not read the whole article? What's factually incorrect in my post?