Jofra Archer upset by 'disturbing racial abuse'

[Technics 1210]

Why have I clearly not read the whole article? What's factually incorrect in my post?

I never said you were incorrect, did I? Why do you assume too much?

I was merely highlighting the hypocrisy between Jofra's actions, and his words. He does the exact opposite of his OWN advice.

If you wish to continue on this point, kindly read the article in its entirety.

 

[HitWicket]

I never said you were incorrect, did I? Why do you assume too much?

I was merely highlighting the hypocrisy between Jofra's actions, and his words. He does the exact opposite of his OWN advice.

If you wish to continue on this point, kindly read the article in its entirety.

That's quite clearly what was implied given I'd read the whole article.

Where in any way does he say reporting an incident and making it public knowledge isn't what should be done or words to that effect.

 

[Markhor]

It's a norm , nothing to be offended about. Sarfi said some racial colour abuses in South Africa : which was considered normal. So i don't know what was said to Archer. He should move on. Better get used to racial abuses. World is not perfect. There are imperfections and aberrations.

Maybe open bigotry is tolerated, and promoted by the leaders of your country, but incidents of racial hatred and racial harassment at work is illegal here because mistreating others on the basis of the skin colour is abhorrent and deserves to be called out.

Of course the world isn't perfect but it'd be a better place if we didn't have self-hating minorities telling others how to react when subjected to racism.

 

[Markhor]

What a snowflake. One guy, and suddenly its a headline, and Jofra needs support?

What was said exactly? Anyone know?

The reality is that racism does occur, it should be stamped out, but you will only make matters worse by sensationalising what is essentially a non-story compared to the levels of racism non-white players were subjected to during the 80s and 90s.

Jofra needs to toughen up or quit Test cricket altogether.

You could start an argument in an empty room.

How will it make matters worse - yes the racist culture war gammons who occupy the comments section of the Daily Mail, or the slightly more sophisticated bigots in The Times comments, will be even more red faced than they normally are after one of their own has been called out. But these people were never going to be sympathetic to the cause of anti-racism in the first place.

What will help to stamp out open racism, especially at sporting venues, are public figures who have access to a massve international audience like Jofra Archer speaking out and forcing the administrators to adopt a zero tolerance stance against these racist spectators.

What's also bemusing is how offended desis are whenever they're subject to racism and how they've no issue raising a hue and cry about it, but then telling black people they should man up and stop being snowflakes.

 

[Technics 1210]

That's quite clearly what was implied given I'd read the whole article.

Where in any way does he say reporting an incident and making it public knowledge isn't what should be done or words to that effect.

Good, then you know he is a hypocrite, and he should have put his head down, gotten on with the job, reported it, instead of complaining in public like a big girl's blouse - all because one guy said something.

What exactly is your point in this thread anyway? I do not mean you, I mean what is your point on the subject of the OP? You've done nothing but quote and ramble.

 

[HitWicket]

Good, then you know he is a hypocrite, and he should have put his head down, gotten on with the job, reported it, instead of complaining in public like a big girl's blouse - all because one guy said something.

What exactly is your point in this thread anyway? I do not mean you, I mean what is your point on the subject of the OP? You've done nothing but quote and ramble.

My point is the opposite of yours. Racial abuse shouldn't be hidden away and not made public knowledge. Doing so (especially in situations where it may be difficult to identify the perpetrator) just helps makes the racist feel validated and more likely to repeat their actions. Criticising people for publicly exposing racial abuse is ridiculous, particularly when it's been a common occurrence to the individual. Criticising people in positions of power (such as Ashley Giles) who may actually able to do something for backing someone who's been racially abused in making an official complaint is even more ridiculous.

I think that sums up my point and I'll probably leave it at that given we're heading in circles.

 

[Technics 1210]

You could start an argument in an empty room.

How will it make matters worse - yes the racist culture war gammons who occupy the comments section of the Daily Mail, or the slightly more sophisticated bigots in The Times comments, will be even more red faced than they normally are after one of their own has been called out. But these people were never going to be sympathetic to the cause of anti-racism in the first place.

What will help to stamp out open racism, especially at sporting venues, are public figures who have access to a massve international audience like Jofra Archer speaking out and forcing the administrators to adopt a zero tolerance stance against these racist spectators.

What's also bemusing is how offended desis are whenever they're subject to racism and how they've no issue raising a hue and cry about it, but then telling black people they should man up and stop being snowflakes.

I got no idea which desis you are referring to. I learned to deal with racism in the 70s/80s, and every one of my black & brown friends did too. It toughened us, galvanised us, for the future. We didn't have access to social media where we could bellowed our cries. We learned to stand up on our own two feet.

Generalsing user comments on The Times as - racist culture war gammons - is a typical knee jerk reaction by the left. The comments are a true reflection of what people think, and the last time people like you [the left] ignored such views, we ended up with Brexit. Just because you disagree with a particular view, does not mean their view is invalid. For the record, not a single comment was racist, The Times would not allow racist comments.

You are dreaming if racism will be stamped out. Many celebrities have tried, and failed. How will Jofras social media cry make the situation worse? Look at what happened to the *Black lives matter* movement. Over exposed, now it is pretty much dead.

Complaining about racism on social media is not tackling the issue. It's attention seeking, and the fact Jofra had already raised the issue with the ECB in private, demonstrates this glaring fact.

 

[Technics 1210]

My point is the opposite of yours. Racial abuse shouldn't be hidden away and not made public knowledge. Doing so (especially in situations where it may be difficult to identify the perpetrator) just helps makes the racist feel validated and more likely to repeat their actions. Criticising people for publicly exposing racial abuse is ridiculous, particularly when it's been a common occurrence to the individual. Criticising people in positions of power (such as Ashley Giles) who may actually able to do something for backing someone who's been racially abused in making an official complaint is even more ridiculous.

I think that sums up my point and I'll probably leave it at that given we're heading in circles.

Jofra identified the perpetrator, he has categorically stated the abuser contacted him on SM. Read the article man.

You must love Oprah.

 

[HitWicket]

Jofra identified the perpetrator, he has categorically stated the abuser contacted him on SM. Read the article man.

I know, that's great, doesn't exactly change anything I said though. I'm also of the impression that he messaged him after Archer made his twitter post.

 

[Markhor]

I got no idea which desis you are referring to. I learned to deal with racism in the 70s/80s, and every one of my black & brown friends did too. It toughened us, galvanised us, for the future. We didn't have access to social media where we could bellowed our cries. We learned to stand up on our own two feet.

Newsflash it isn't the 70s and 80s anymore. Like it or not social media is the most effective tool to reach the largest possible audience in the shortest time. And if your generation had access to it, they'd have used it too.

You ask what's come of Archer publicising this - already there's an investigation, the NZC CEO apologised to Archer in person, and said the abuser faces a lifelong suspension from NZ matches. Even their Govt has weighed in. That's one less racist yob at a cricket match, and a deterrent to anyone else so hopefully no cricketer of colour experiences this in NZ next time.

Generalsing user comments on The Times as - racist culture war gammons - is a typical knee jerk reaction by the left. The comments are a true reflection of what people think, and the last time people like you [the left] ignored such views, we ended up with Brexit. Just because you disagree with a particular view, does not mean their view is invalid. For the record, not a single comment was racist, The Times would not allow racist comments.

Maybe you should take your own advice and read my post again to understand my argument. I said those Times commenters you quoted are more sophisticated bigots in that they'll proclaim to be against racism but decry the methods used to protest against it. What authority do these people, or you for that matter, have to dictate how a cricketer of colour should respond to a racist incident ?

You are dreaming if racism will be stamped out. Many celebrities have tried, and failed. How will Jofras social media cry make the situation worse?

Where did I say all racism could be stamped out ? Obviosuly racism will always exist in some form given human nature but open racism at sporting events can be minimised, not by sportsmen shutting up and doing nothing, but by using their considerable media profile to force administrators to properly sanction these racist yobs.

Look at what happened to the *Black lives matter* movement. Over exposed, now it is pretty much dead.

I gyess you'd have told Rosa Parks to sit in the back of the bus and not be a fussy snowflake.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I got no idea which desis you are referring to. I learned to deal with racism in the 70s/80s, and every one of my black & brown friends did too. It toughened us, galvanised us, for the future. We didn't have access to social media where we could bellowed our cries. We learned to stand up on our own two feet.

Generalsing user comments on The Times as - racist culture war gammons - is a typical knee jerk reaction by the left. The comments are a true reflection of what people think, and the last time people like you [the left] ignored such views, we ended up with Brexit. Just because you disagree with a particular view, does not mean their view is invalid. For the record, not a single comment was racist, The Times would not allow racist comments.

You are dreaming if racism will be stamped out. Many celebrities have tried, and failed. How will Jofras social media cry make the situation worse? Look at what happened to the *Black lives matter* movement. Over exposed, now it is pretty much dead.

Complaining about racism on social media is not tackling the issue. It's attention seeking, and the fact Jofra had already raised the issue with the ECB in private, demonstrates this glaring fact.

“Hey guys I learnt to deal witch racism and take it in its stride so racism is ok and anyone who complains about it is a snowflake”

Some human beings are truly special

 

[KingKhanWC]

“Hey guys I learnt to deal witch racism and take it in its stride so racism is ok and anyone who complains about it is a snowflake”

Some human beings are truly special

I kind of agree with him here. If there were a few 'fans' spouting racism, it would be an issue. But people drink a lot when watching cricket matches, one person racially abusing a batsmen is wrong but not such a huge deal you tweet about it. The reason is NZ is a very tolerant country and this paints a dark mark on them in the cricketing world which isn't fair.

Archer like some may be jumping on the bandwagon. If he really cares about racism or ending racism in society, tweet about your PM first mate who has said awful things about black people but he wont.

 

[Technics 1210]

Newsflash it isn't the 70s and 80s anymore. Like it or not social media is the most effective tool to reach the largest possible audience in the shortest time. And if your generation had access to it, they'd have used it too.

News flash, humanity has been trying to stamp out racism but has failed. Racism still exists today. You can either waste your time trying to stamp out racism or learn to deal with it.

Social Media, and celebrities are not going to make a difference. You are naive to think it will. Simple fact, the average person does not give a hoot about what a celebrity has to say. Why should a person who is trying to make ends meet, care about what someone famous and working towards a fortune has to say? Why? Because said celebrity is a victim? We should society feel pity and remorse towards said celebrates?

Social media might propagate a message quick time, but it can also destroy any credibility or perception in even quicker time. We did not need to tell people what was going on in the UK during the years of P*kI bashing, because it was clear as daylight.

You ask what's come of Archer publicising this - already there's an investigation, the NZC CEO apologised to Archer in person, and said the abuser faces a lifelong suspension from NZ matches. Even their Govt has weighed in. That's one less racist yob at a cricket match, and a deterrent to anyone else so hopefully no cricketer of colour experiences this in NZ next time.

Wrong. I asked why is Jofra posting on SM when he raised the issue in private. My opinion is he is seeking attention and is a snowflake, based on what ONE guy said. He was not ambushed by the crowd, or targeted by the crowd, it was ONE person.

As for deterrent, you are having a laugh. You think banning one spectator is going to make a difference? Up until now it has not. In fact, since publicising these incidences, more and more spectators are being banned. Prison and laws have never acted as a deterrent, and you think banning spectators will make a difference?

Maybe you should take your own advice and read my post again to understand my argument. I said those Times commenters you quoted are more sophisticated bigots in that they'll proclaim to be against racism but decry the methods used to protest against it. What authority do these people, or you for that matter, have to dictate how a cricketer of colour should respond to a racist incident ?

Are you telling me you will not find such comments in say the Guardian?

Speaking of authority, who are you to tell someone is a racist/bigot or not? It’s the left who cry racist when someone comments on immigration. It’s the left who cry racist when statistical information reveals a particular race is more likely to commit a particular crime. It’s the left who shout racist when topics of say Israel are discussed. These are just some examples of where the term *racist* has become utterly diluted to the extend it has lost true meaning, thanks to the lefty liberals.

It’s the left who have created this toxic culture where actual racism, that is based on discrimination, is watered down with perceived racism. You are quick to tell Indians that bigotry might be promoted in India, but newsflash, there is no law in the UK that makes racism illegal at one’s private abode. It is perfectly legal in the UK for one to have racist views in their private abode.

On to bigotry, bigotry is defined as being intolerant towards opposing views, which is exactly what the left are guilty of. Case in point, you, right now, I am merely posted an opinion stating that Jofra was a snowflake in this instance and should not have posted the incident on SM given he had reported the incident in private, and you are not only denying my option, but I can double dog guarantee you are on the cusp of accusing my of racism!, or at least thinking about it.

Anti-Racist laws in the UK only apply in the public and when intent on discrimination is proved. Making a comment about the colour of one’s skin does not prove racism. That same comment can be said between the same race, and it is not deemed racist. This is how weak mere words are and why intent is everything in proving racism.

Point being, just because someone doesn't agree with your left views, does not make them a bigot or racist.

Where did I say all racism could be stamped out ? Obviosuly racism will always exist in some form given human nature but open racism at sporting events can be minimised, not by sportsmen shutting up and doing nothing, but by using their considerable media profile to force administrators to properly sanction these racist yobs.

As I pointed out, the average person who is struggling in society does not give a hoot about what the rich and famous have to say. You seem to think that celebrities can make a difference, they do not, they make matters worse by saying – look at me look at me, I’m famous, loaded, but I am a victim too. The majority do not care.

I gyess you'd have told Rosa Parks to sit in the back of the bus and not be a fussy snowflake.

If you are serious about stamping out racism, first deal with how one race respects its own. During the 90s, the debate on how to stamp out racism was rife, and the one suggestion that came out of it, which has not been heeded, was that until people respect their own, they have no right to demand respect from others. When a black person disses his own kind, rips his own culture, repeatedly uses the N word, it’s comedy, it’s art, it's music, and all that. A non-black says the same thing and it’s racist. [This applies to all races by the way].

One last time, I will make my point clear. Jofra did the right thing by reporting the incident to the authorities, where he went wrong was to publicise it on the internet. If you think this is raising awareness, educating society, and combating racism, then good for you, but you are naive. I disagree with your opinion, I think Jofra posted on SM for the attention, even his own words prove him to be a hypocrite.

 

[Technics 1210]

Archer like some may be jumping on the bandwagon. If he really cares about racism or ending racism in society, tweet about your PM first mate who has said awful things about black people but he wont.

Exactly. What is Jofra Archer doing himself to combat racism? He is only fueling the fire by claiming he was a victim of alleged racism. If anything, he should have waited until the investigation was over.

 

[Shazzam]

News flash, humanity has been trying to stamp out racism but has failed. Racism still exists today. You can either waste your time trying to stamp out racism or learn to deal with it.

Social Media, and celebrities are not going to make a difference. You are naive to think it will. Simple fact, the average person does not give a hoot about what a celebrity has to say. Why should a person who is trying to make ends meet, care about what someone famous and working towards a fortune has to say? Why? Because said celebrity is a victim? We should society feel pity and remorse towards said celebrates?

Social media might propagate a message quick time, but it can also destroy any credibility or perception in even quicker time. We did not need to tell people what was going on in the UK during the years of P*kI bashing, because it was clear as daylight.



Wrong. I asked why is Jofra posting on SM when he raised the issue in private. My opinion is he is seeking attention and is a snowflake, based on what ONE guy said. He was not ambushed by the crowd, or targeted by the crowd, it was ONE person.

As for deterrent, you are having a laugh. You think banning one spectator is going to make a difference? Up until now it has not. In fact, since publicising these incidences, more and more spectators are being banned. Prison and laws have never acted as a deterrent, and you think banning spectators will make a difference?



Are you telling me you will not find such comments in say the Guardian?

Speaking of authority, who are you to tell someone is a racist/bigot or not? It’s the left who cry racist when someone comments on immigration. It’s the left who cry racist when statistical information reveals a particular race is more likely to commit a particular crime. It’s the left who shout racist when topics of say Israel are discussed. These are just some examples of where the term *racist* has become utterly diluted to the extend it has lost true meaning, thanks to the lefty liberals.

It’s the left who have created this toxic culture where actual racism, that is based on discrimination, is watered down with perceived racism. You are quick to tell Indians that bigotry might be promoted in India, but newsflash, there is no law in the UK that makes racism illegal at one’s private abode. It is perfectly legal in the UK for one to have racist views in their private abode.

On to bigotry, bigotry is defined as being intolerant towards opposing views, which is exactly what the left are guilty of. Case in point, you, right now, I am merely posted an opinion stating that Jofra was a snowflake in this instance and should not have posted the incident on SM given he had reported the incident in private, and you are not only denying my option, but I can double dog guarantee you are on the cusp of accusing my of racism!, or at least thinking about it.

Anti-Racist laws in the UK only apply in the public and when intent on discrimination is proved. Making a comment about the colour of one’s skin does not prove racism. That same comment can be said between the same race, and it is not deemed racist. This is how weak mere words are and why intent is everything in proving racism.

Point being, just because someone doesn't agree with your left views, does not make them a bigot or racist.



As I pointed out, the average person who is struggling in society does not give a hoot about what the rich and famous have to say. You seem to think that celebrities can make a difference, they do not, they make matters worse by saying – look at me look at me, I’m famous, loaded, but I am a victim too. The majority do not care.



If you are serious about stamping out racism, first deal with how one race respects its own. During the 90s, the debate on how to stamp out racism was rife, and the one suggestion that came out of it, which has not been heeded, was that until people respect their own, they have no right to demand respect from others. When a black person disses his own kind, rips his own culture, repeatedly uses the N word, it’s comedy, it’s art, it's music, and all that. A non-black says the same thing and it’s racist. [This applies to all races by the way].

One last time, I will make my point clear. Jofra did the right thing by reporting the incident to the authorities, where he went wrong was to publicise it on the internet. If you think this is raising awareness, educating society, and combating racism, then good for you, but you are naive. I disagree with your opinion, I think Jofra posted on SM for the attention, even his own words prove him to be a hypocrite.

Jeez what a post. I hardly get as excited reading posts here. But this one was a great read.

 

[PakLFC]

First Anglo Saxons invade and take over the land of the Samoans then attack black people! Okay, the Samoans may not be black but are the original people of that land again abused out by the white man. Just imagine how Ross Taylor will be feeling after hearing about this? Australia and New Zealand need more foreigners to remind them of their history, that'll do the trick! Just look at the UK where groups like the National Front, Britain First and BNP have all but conceded defeat.

 

[Salma_T]

Cricket still has a huge issue with racism to this day the only player who has ever been banned for a racist comment is Sarfraz Ahmed.

This article explain it well how leniency is sought if the player maybe required by the national side.

Abuse of Jofra Archer a reminder that racism remains ingrained in cricket

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/b...ricket?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

 

[ZaudStorm]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12288888

Was done by an English fan, not surprised at all. The Kiwis are probably the most humble out there in the world (players + fans), unlike a significant chunk of the English fans.

 

[Mamoon]

What a snowflake. One guy, and suddenly its a headline, and Jofra needs support?

What was said exactly? Anyone know?

The reality is that racism does occur, it should be stamped out, but you will only make matters worse by sensationalising what is essentially a non-story compared to the levels of racism non-white players were subjected to during the 80s and 90s.

Jofra needs to toughen up or quit Test cricket altogether.

Would you have the same nonchalant reaction if Moeen or Rashid are at the receiving end of an Islamophobic attack?

or am I right in pointing out your remarkable hypocrisy?

 

[Robert]

You know that is not what I meant.

I’m not sure what you meant. You seemed to me to suggest that since older BAME generations had it worse, Archer should not complain about unacceptable modern behaviour.

 

[Mamoon]

This thread has badly exposed the folks who cry about Islamophobia all the time.

Well they were exposed already but this thread has reinforced the idea that they cannot be taken seriously.

 

[Mamoon]

Archer talks about racism on social media: he is seeking attention and is a band-wagoner.

Moeen talks about Islamophobia in his autobiography: he is a genuine victim.

The shameless hypocrisy couldn’t be more obvious.

 

[topspin]

This thread has badly exposed the folks who cry about Islamophobia all the time.

Well they were exposed already but this thread has reinforced the idea that they cannot be taken seriously.

Archer talks about racism on social media: he is seeking attention and is a band-wagoner.

Moeen talks about Islamophobia in his autobiography: he is a genuine victim.

The shameless hypocrisy couldn’t be more obvious.

Agreed, these so-called "Defenders of the Ummah" have been exposed.

 

[Markhor]

News flash, humanity has been trying to stamp out racism but has failed. Racism still exists today. You can either waste your time trying to stamp out racism or learn to deal with it.

You are struggling with comprehension. For the third time, there's a difference between tackling racism in society and specifically tackling open[ racism at a sporting event.

Never have I made have any pretensions that racism in everyone's mind, heart and soul can be eliminated. However open abuse of sportsmen at grounds and stadia is much easier to eradicate as one can quickly identify the perpetrator and sanction them compared to those doing it behind an anonymous account online.

Social Media, and celebrities are not going to make a difference. You are naive to think it will. Simple fact, the average person does not give a hoot about what a celebrity has to say. Why should a person who is trying to make ends meet, care about what someone famous and working towards a fortune has to say? Why? Because said celebrity is a victim? We should society feel pity and remorse towards said celebrates?

Your argument seems to be since racism is embedded in human nature it's futile to do anything, but human nature is also about evolving, educating ourselves and learning. A few decades or centuries ago, it would have been inconceivable to imagine a black US president, same sex marriage or women's suffrage. It would've been inconceivable that the England football team would have a majority of black players in their Starting XI, yet here we are.

Incidents like this can help other cricketers of colour be more willing to come forward and report these incidents instead of suffering in silence which appears to be what you want.

Wrong. I asked why is Jofra posting on SM when he raised the issue in private. My opinion is he is seeking attention and is a snowflake, based on what ONE guy said. He was not ambushed by the crowd, or targeted by the crowd, it was ONE person

Again, who made you the authority to determine whether victims of racism should speak privately or publicly ? Just as it was your right to bite your lip and do nothing when confronted with racism in the 70s and 80s, Archer has every right to publicise this incident which adds pressure on NZC to take action.

Archer actually PRAISED the crowd in his tweet - he only wanted action against this individual who also was harassing him on social media. He didn't ask for an entire stand to be ejected. That seems perfectly reasonable.

As for deterrent, you are having a laugh. You think banning one spectator is going to make a difference? Up until now it has not. In fact, since publicising these incidences, more and more spectators are being banned. Prison and laws have never acted as a deterrent, and you think banning spectators will make a difference?

We cannot stop all crime so we must stop bothering to enforce it, which seems the essence of your whole argument, is not convincing.

Speaking of authority, who are you to tell someone is a racist/bigot or not? It’s the left who cry racist when someone comments on immigration. It’s the left who cry racist when statistical information reveals a particular race is more likely to commit a particular crime. It’s the left who shout racist when topics of say Israel are discussed. These are just some examples of where the term *racist* has become utterly diluted to the extend it has lost true meaning, thanks to the lefty liberals.

It’s the left who have created this toxic culture where actual racism, that is based on discrimination, is watered down with perceived racism. You are quick to tell Indians that bigotry might be promoted in India, but newsflash, there is no law in the UK that makes racism illegal at one’s private abode. It is perfectly legal in the UK for one to have racist views in their private abode.

On to bigotry, bigotry is defined as being intolerant towards opposing views, which is exactly what the left are guilty of. Case in point, you, right now, I am merely posted an opinion stating that Jofra was a snowflake in this instance and should not have posted the incident on SM given he had reported the incident in private, and you are not only denying my option, but I can double dog guarantee you are on the cusp of accusing my of racism!, or at least thinking about it.

Anti-Racist laws in the UK only apply in the public and when intent on discrimination is proved. Making a comment about the colour of one’s skin does not prove racism. That same comment can be said between the same race, and it is not deemed racist. This is how weak mere words are and why intent is everything in proving racism.

Point being, just because someone doesn't agree with your left views, does not make them a bigot or racist.



As I pointed out, the average person who is struggling in society does not give a hoot about what the rich and famous have to say. You seem to think that celebrities can make a difference, they do not, they make matters worse by saying – look at me look at me, I’m famous, loaded, but I am a victim too. The majority do not care.



If you are serious about stamping out racism, first deal with how one race respects its own. During the 90s, the debate on how to stamp out racism was rife, and the one suggestion that came out of it, which has not been heeded, was that until people respect their own, they have no right to demand respect from others. When a black person disses his own kind, rips his own culture, repeatedly uses the N word, it’s comedy, it’s art, it's music, and all that. A non-black says the same thing and it’s racist. [This applies to all races by the way].

One last time, I will make my point clear. Jofra did the right thing by reporting the incident to the authorities, where he went wrong was to publicise it on the internet. If you think this is raising awareness, educating society, and combating racism, then good for you, but you are naive. I disagree with your opinion, I think Jofra posted on SM for the attention, even his own words prove him to be a hypocrite.

I'n glad you've got your pre prepared political rant off your chest but irrelevant to the topic.

So let me get this straight, you're an anti-capitalist pro-Corbyn Labour supporter who puportedly opposes racism, yet also a Brexiteer and someone railing against "snowflakes" and those who speak up against racism. How you reconcile all this is...interesting.

You are entitled to your opinion, but my belief is a progressive should apply their values consistently regardless of whether the victim of racism is white, black or brown, whatever their income levels or status, instead of pitting minorities against each other.

 

[sunny85]

Maybe open bigotry is tolerated, and promoted by the leaders of your country, but incidents of racial hatred and racial harassment at work is illegal here because mistreating others on the basis of the skin colour is abhorrent and deserves to be called out.

Of course the world isn't perfect but it'd be a better place if we didn't have self-hating minorities telling others how to react when subjected to racism.

Perhaps you should learn to move on . Its a game at the end, u can't control the crowd as to how they behave. Emotions run high.
History will always be : Italy beat France in World cup. No one cares that Zidane was hurled racial abuse.

Better get used to it, dosen't matter which flag u display and which one gives u shelter, more so looking at the flag in your account. Learn to move on.
May be ur leaders don't teach to read , but for that matter buy and read "Dreams from my father" by Obama.

 

[Technics 1210]

You are struggling with comprehension. For the third time, there's a difference between tackling racism in society and specifically tackling open[ racism at a sporting event.

Never have I made have any pretensions that racism in everyone's mind, heart and soul can be eliminated. However open abuse of sportsmen at grounds and stadia is much easier to eradicate as one can quickly identify the perpetrator and sanction them compared to those doing it behind an anonymous account online.


Your argument seems to be since racism is embedded in human nature it's futile to do anything, but human nature is also about evolving, educating ourselves and learning. A few decades or centuries ago, it would have been inconceivable to imagine a black US president, same sex marriage or women's suffrage. It would've been inconceivable that the England football team would have a majority of black players in their Starting XI, yet here we are.

Incidents like this can help other cricketers of colour be more willing to come forward and report these incidents instead of suffering in silence which appears to be what you want.


Again, who made you the authority to determine whether victims of racism should speak privately or publicly ? Just as it was your right to bite your lip and do nothing when confronted with racism in the 70s and 80s, Archer has every right to publicise this incident which adds pressure on NZC to take action.

Archer actually PRAISED the crowd in his tweet - he only wanted action against this individual who also was harassing him on social media. He didn't ask for an entire stand to be ejected. That seems perfectly reasonable.


We cannot stop all crime so we must stop bothering to enforce it, which seems the essence of your whole argument, is not convincing.


I'n glad you've got your pre prepared political rant off your chest but irrelevant to the topic.

So let me get this straight, you're an anti-capitalist pro-Corbyn Labour supporter who puportedly opposes racism, yet also a Brexiteer and someone railing against "snowflakes" and those who speak up against racism. How you reconcile all this is...interesting.

You are entitled to your opinion, but my belief is a progressive should apply their values consistently regardless of whether the victim of racism is white, black or brown, whatever their income levels or status, instead of pitting minorities against each other.

My god. I left a few snowflakes now I see a blizzard.

You have not answered my question on why those struggling in society would pay attention to a celebrity/sportsman who has fame and fortune. You have no response to the anti-racial laws in the UK either, not to mention how people of the same race should start respecting each other before demanding respect. Hardly surprisingly.

Your political stance is important and relevant, you may not understand, let me explain one last time. You represent the extreme far left of the UK. Your views are the reason people cannot distinguish between institutional racism, and personal racism, the later being legal in one’s abode in the UK. Your mode of operation is name calling, blame game, finger pointing, and character assassination.

Society should be stamping out institutional racism, let me repeat, INSTITUTIONAL RACISM, examples of which are:

Slave Trade
Palestine
Nazism
UK Police Fore (Stephen Lawrence)

The above is news, the above is racism based on discrimination, not some ***** tweet about what ONE man said to another. We as humanity can stamp out institutional racism, but you can forget about stamping our personal racism. It is not happening for love nor money, which is why bringing a personal racist incident to the attention of the public, will not only backfire, but is a lost cause.

Society should be working toward exposing institutional racism, because in every case of institutional racism, the ultimate price has been the victim’s life. Here we have Jofra, who lost a match, still earned his money, reported the incident privately, will live to tell the tale. Then people like you, yes the Far Extreme Left, sensationalise the entire episode for no reason other than you enjoy labeling others.

The extreme far left were the ones created 17.4M racists after the referendum because that’s all the tree-huggers do, is blame and generalise because they do not agree with an opinion. That's the problem, your political view.

As for me being the authority. Grow up. I am merely posting an opinion, and you do not like it. You are so blinded by your extremist left views, you cannot even see that I agree with 90% of what Jofra did, I only disagree with his SM antic. The reality is, it is YOU who is pretending to be the authority here, you have found the alleged abuser guilty despite knowing what was said, and while the investigation is pending. So get off your high horse. Now who is the racist?

 

[Technics 1210]

I’m not sure what you meant. You seemed to me to suggest that since older BAME generations had it worse, Archer should not complain about unacceptable modern behaviour.

I meant that racism experienced at personal level has not declined in the UK, it is still prevalent in UK society, and I would argue even more so now. Though institutional racism has declined.

 

[MenInG]

England's Jofra Archer has "moved on" from racist abuse he suffered in the first Test in New Zealand.

Hours after England's innings defeat at the Bay Oval in Mount Maunganui, Archer revealed on Twitter he had heard "racial insults" from "one guy" in an incident that has led to investigations from the boards of both countries.

The search for the offender continues but Archer has had an apology from David White, the chief executive of New Zealand Cricket, while Black Caps captain Kane Williamson labelled what happened as "horrific".

Archer, who has been contacted by the person that allegedly abused him, says he is "over it".

"The first thing I want to say about what happened towards the end of the Test at Mount Maunganui is that I'm over it. "I've left what happened at the ground and I've moved on," the 24-year-old told the Daily Mail.

"When you come to another country, you half expect fans to have a go at your cricket.

There is no time or place for it in any walk of life, let alone cricket.
Jofra Archer on racism

"If someone wants to shout at me and tell me I'm bowling badly, that's fine. I may not agree but it's fine. It's part of the experience of being a touring cricketer.

"To hear racism, though - that's another matter. There is no time or place for it in any walk of life, let alone cricket. It's just not called for."

England team-mate Ben Stokes, born and raised in New Zealand before leaving at the age of 12, insists the incident does not reflect the country as a whole.

"What New Zealand represents is how much support Jofra has had, not just from the cricket team but New Zealand in general, since that incident," said Stokes.

"That's the main things for us, making him aware we've got his back in a pretty horrific incident, something that shouldn't happen in sport or in the world in general in 2019.

"The support we showed him helped him get over it as well as he possibly could, that's what we do great as a team.

"When you're away on tour that's who your family are really. Not just through incidents like that, but if anyone is feeling low it's just coming together as a team and making sure we've got each other's' back."

The "tight-knit" England group remain fully behind captain Joe Root despite question marks over his form, says Stokes.

Root must rediscover his batting and "go back to enjoying his cricket", according to Sky Sports pundits Nasser Hussain and Michael Atherton, having managed just two and 11 during his side's innings defeat in the first Test.

"He's Joe Root, he is England captain - there's no one else to do it," Stokes told Sky Sports.

"He knows he's got the backing of everyone in the changing room, the backroom staff and management. That's the main thing that counts for us as players."

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...oves-on-from-racist-abuse-with-england-family

 

[silentkiller187]

Some shocking comments on here, we live in a multi cultural society, no one deserves to be abused, are we saying its OK to racially abuse someone so long as it is only one person doing the abusing? if we are discriminated against in everyday life should we turn a blind eye until a group of people are abusing us. The fact that it wasn't called out and was treated as the norm in the 70's and 80's is the reason why we are in this position, if we had social media back then and if we had more "snowflakes" to call out the wrong doers then society would know this is wrong and racist bigots wouldn't get away, i would go as far as to say people who do not report and call out discrimination and abuse are as much to blame as the racist themselves. This is a form of bullying, no one deserves to be bullied.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Newsflash it isn't the 70s and 80s anymore...

Maybe you should take your own advice and read my post again to understand my argument. I said those Times commenters you quoted are more sophisticated bigots in that they'll proclaim to be against racism but decry the methods used to protest against it. What authority do these people, or you for that matter, have to dictate how a cricketer of colour should respond to a racist incident ?
....

That is the point actually. Racism is more subtle these days, although currently it's more directed towards Muslims. It won't be in your face, it will be the way the news is written or headlines used to cause disgust and fear.

That's not to say that Jofra Archer shouldn't complain though. If he can speak up and get some action taken it's a step in the right direction. Black people have come a long way since the first generation of immigrants, great to see them prominent on our tv screens in positive roles these days.

 

[Robert]

I meant that racism experienced at personal level has not declined in the UK, it is still prevalent in UK society, and I would argue even more so now. Though institutional racism has declined.

But doesn't Archer have the right of redress? If that happened on the street he could call the police and the abuser would be arrested.

 

[Technics 1210]

Would you have the same nonchalant reaction if Moeen or Rashid are at the receiving end of an Islamophobic attack?

or am I right in pointing out your remarkable hypocrisy?

You would be wrong. I would have the same reaction. You may not believe me, but there are certain posters who know me personally on PP and will testify to this fact. The labels of Islamophobia, Antisemitism, and Racism are bandied out too easily by the liberal extreme left, and I really despise this, because labels do not address the problems, they create the problems.

In the case of the 3 labels I have mentioned above, part of the solution are Muslims, Jews, and people of colour themselves, for starters, they need to stop playing the victim card - it is infuriating! More so knowing that said people also are part of the problem. No one wants to hear about the victim mentality. If people like to hear stories from victims, watch Oprah.

These sportsmen have achieved what most people could only dream of. They are at a privileged position, and have the power to unite, not divide. The fact the England team is a multicultural team, their very inclusion and success is a testament to how institutional racism could be a thing of the past, in the UK, if it is not already.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But doesn't Archer have the right of redress? If that happened on the street he could call the police and the abuser would be arrested.

Technics is old school, I can understand where he is coming from. Back in those days if you complained to the police, they would have told you the same advice to man up and give some abuse back. Then they would have spent the evening watching Bernard Manning making racist jokes at a social club.

Times have moved on, the minorities have a lot more protection these days. For older people like me, I would also probably not take that much notice of one guy shouting abuse. We've seen a lot worse.

 

[Technics 1210]

But doesn't Archer have the right of redress? If that happened on the street he could call the police and the abuser would be arrested.

Come on, I never said he Archer doesn't have the right to redress, I wouldn't be supporting him in reporting the incident would I? I just think his public stunt was cheap and juvenile.

As for if that happened. What happened? What did the alleged abuser say? Do you know? I would be interested to know. Archer says he has *moved on*. Perhaps the incident wasn't as bad as it sounded after all? Who knows.

What I do know is that in the UK you have more chance of being arrested for hate speech, than actual racist speech, because as I have explained, to prove someone is racist in the UK, one must prove intent and discrimination, in public.

 

[silentkiller187]

Come on, I never said he Archer doesn't have the right to redress, I wouldn't be supporting him in reporting the incident would I? I just think his public stunt was cheap and juvenile.

As for if that happened. What happened? What did the alleged abuser say? Do you know? I would be interested to know. Archer says he has *moved on*. Perhaps the incident wasn't as bad as it sounded after all? Who knows.

What I do know is that in the UK you have more chance of being arrested for hate speech, than actual racist speech, because as I have explained, to prove someone is racist in the UK, one must prove intent and discrimination, in public.

You can't call him cheap and juvenile for reporting racism tho, no matter what. Just by saying i live in the UK it happens all the time bla bla does not excuse the actions of a racist individual. As long as these views are shared in society the problem will never be eradicated, it needs to be reported as much as possible to the extent where people would think twice about abusing under fear of being called out.

How would you have preferred for him to react? The same way Dohni did in your made up story or?

 

[Robert]

Come on, I never said he Archer doesn't have the right to redress, I wouldn't be supporting him in reporting the incident would I? I just think his public stunt was cheap and juvenile.

As for if that happened. What happened? What did the alleged abuser say? Do you know? I would be interested to know. Archer says he has *moved on*. Perhaps the incident wasn't as bad as it sounded after all? Who knows.

What I do know is that in the UK you have more chance of being arrested for hate speech, than actual racist speech, because as I have explained, to prove someone is racist in the UK, one must prove intent and discrimination, in public.

Perhaps he just wants to feel a bit of support from fellow BAMEs and whites too.

If his Tweet raises awareness of racism surely it is a good thing. His young fans will think "Oh no, they can't be racist to Joffra!" - then they will generalise that into thinking all racial abuse is wrong and will be more likely to challenge it when they see it.

 

[Robert]

You would be wrong. I would have the same reaction. You may not believe me, but there are certain posters who know me personally on PP and will testify to this fact. The labels of Islamophobia, Antisemitism, and Racism are bandied out too easily by the liberal extreme left, and I really despise this, because labels do not address the problems, they create the problems.

You can't address a problem until you identify it with a label.

In the case of the 3 labels I have mentioned above, part of the solution are Muslims, Jews, and people of colour themselves, for starters, they need to stop playing the victim card - it is infuriating! More so knowing that said people also are part of the problem. No one wants to hear about the victim mentality. If people like to hear stories from victims, watch Oprah.

These sportsmen have achieved what most people could only dream of. They are at a privileged position, and have the power to unite, not divide. The fact the England team is a multicultural team, their very inclusion and success is a testament to how institutional racism could be a thing of the past, in the UK, if it is not already.

As well as some white minorities too. Of course crying wolf for attention helps nobody and makes it harder for people actually victimised (as opposed to asserting victim mentality) to be taken seriously.

But in Archer's case there really was a wolf, and Williamson got involved and that added to the NZ national debate about racism, and things got a tiny bit better because Archer raised the alarm.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Anyone who uses the term “snowflake” as an insult can comfortably be ignored after that. [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] is a known hypocrite

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Some pieces of human trash actually think that being the victim of a racist attack and talking about it is playing the victim card. These types of people actually help racism exist and thrive. Just a bunch of uncle toms. Worse than actual racists

 

[Amirforpresident]

Some pieces of human trash actually think that being the victim of a racist attack and talking about it is playing the victim card. These types of people actually help racism exist and thrive. Just a bunch of uncle toms. Worse than actual racists

Exactly! How can one say: talking about racism or pointing it put makes it worse? So you should stau quit then and just accept it?
On a different note: I wonder what his ethnicity is.

 

[topspin]

Some pieces of human trash actually think that being the victim of a racist attack and talking about it is playing the victim card. These types of people actually help racism exist and thrive. Just a bunch of uncle toms. Worse than actual racists

+1

 

[Mamoon]

You would be wrong. I would have the same reaction. You may not believe me, but there are certain posters who know me personally on PP and will testify to this fact. The labels of Islamophobia, Antisemitism, and Racism are bandied out too easily by the liberal extreme left, and I really despise this, because labels do not address the problems, they create the problems.

In the case of the 3 labels I have mentioned above, part of the solution are Muslims, Jews, and people of colour themselves, for starters, they need to stop playing the victim card - it is infuriating! More so knowing that said people also are part of the problem. No one wants to hear about the victim mentality. If people like to hear stories from victims, watch Oprah.

These sportsmen have achieved what most people could only dream of. They are at a privileged position, and have the power to unite, not divide. The fact the England team is a multicultural team, their very inclusion and success is a testament to how institutional racism could be a thing of the past, in the UK, if it is not already.

Fair enough. As long as you are consistent in how you perceive the different forms and types of discrimination, people should respect your opinion.

 

[Markhor]

Your views are the reason people cannot distinguish between institutional racism, and personal racism, the later being legal in one’s abode in the UK. Your mode of operation is name calling, blame game, finger pointing, and character assassination.

Everyone only has to scroll through this thread to see who is losing his temper, branding people "snowflakes", and indulging in hysterics.

Society should be stamping out institutional racism, let me repeat, INSTITUTIONAL RACISM, examples of which are:

Slave Trade
Palestine
Nazism
UK Police Fore (Stephen Lawrence)

The above is news, the above is racism based on discrimination, not some ***** tweet about what ONE man said to another. We as humanity can stamp out institutional racism, but you can forget about stamping our personal racism. It is not happening for love nor money, which is why bringing a personal racist incident to the attention of the public, will not only backfire, but is a lost cause.

You are entitled to opine that institutional racism is more solvable and newsworthy than personal racism.

However my argument is you've no right to demand OTHERS draw that distinction and tell them their experienced racism is not as sincere or important. Also, I hope you apply the same standards when it comes to anti-Muslim bigotry unless personal racism is only newsworthy when it affects your own community.

I've my own concerns about "woke culture" and "callout culture", and believe on racism it's much more valuable to educate than condemn. But you blast the extreme left (from a guy who calls for the abolition of capitalism !) yet the extreme right whose vocabulary you use engages in non-stop victimhood about how immigrants and minorities are taking their jobs, "white genocide", foreign invaders, and how foreign accents scare them (talk about actual snowflakery). They dismiss all efforts to tackle racism as cultural Marxism, snowflake-ism and PC because they don't want ANY good faith discussion on racism - by using the MOST aggregious examples of PC culture. It doesn't matter to these people whether Jofra raised his concerns privately or publicly, for them merely reacting to racism is the sin than the actual offence.

YOU who is pretending to be the authority here, you have found the alleged abuser guilty despite knowing what was said, and while the investigation is pending. So get off your high horse. Now who is the racist?

What is genuinely amusing is how you've already determined that I have labelled, or am ready to label, you a racist when nothing is of the sort. I'm not sure how long you plan to spend on this forum but attacking peoples' motives, puerile name calling and histrionics when your POV is even lightly challenged doesn't get you far.

 

[Technics 1210]

Perhaps he just wants to feel a bit of support from fellow BAMEs and whites too.

Perhaps, but he already has their support being a World Cup winner for England. How much more support does he need?

If his Tweet raises awareness of racism surely it is a good thing. His young fans will think "Oh no, they can't be racist to Joffra!" - then they will generalise that into thinking all racial abuse is wrong and will be more likely to challenge it when they see it.

Right, so the young fans in your example were not forewarned about racism by their parents? Honestly, if you think he is really raising awareness, tell me what you have learned about racism, that you did not know before his tweet?

You can't address a problem until you identify it with a label.

Correct, but the problem is with emotive/knee jerk labels. Such as :

Brexit Voter – Racist.
Israel criticiser – Antisemitic
Corbyn Supporter – Communist

You get the idea. You also understand that such emotive labels above are not accurate either, but the damage is done.

You As well as some white minorities too. Of course crying wolf for attention helps nobody and makes it harder for people actually victimised (as opposed to asserting victim mentality) to be taken seriously.

White minorities of course are also included.

Here’s the thing, lets take the antisemitic campaign against Corbyn/Labour. 30 years ago such a campaign would have had devastating effect on the Labour party, but now, because the antisemitic victim card has been over played in the past few decades, people have had enough of hearing the same cries, to the point, the cries are heard no more and ignored. Result? Labour has closed the gap between Tories.

This is precisely what I mean by over playing the victim card. Play it once, play it right. Play it incorrectly, and it will backfire.

 

[Technics 1210]

Everyone only has to scroll through this thread to see who is losing his temper, branding people "snowflakes", and indulging in hysterics.

More character assassination.

What is genuinely amusing is how you've already determined that I have labelled, or am ready to label, you a racist when nothing is of the sort. I'm not sure how long you plan to spend on this forum but attacking peoples' motives, puerile name calling and histrionics when your POV is even lightly challenged doesn't get you far.

Well, you labeled the alleged abuser a racist yob, devoid of knowing what was said, or investigation concluded. Stop pretending. Now you are asking me if I defend anti-Muslim bigotry? Why are you asking? That's right, you think I am singling out JA, go on say it, you believe I am racist.

I did not attack people, once again, your lefty extremist views are on display. You have conflated an opinion with an attack on peoples motive just because I did not agree with you. Go tweet about it. Make sure you also let social media know that you threw your toys out of the pram and could not answer my straight forward questions for the 3rd time.

I am free to post my opinion on this forum providing I am posting within the guidelines. Don't like my view, then feel free to add me to your ignore list.

 

[Danyaalr01]

First Anglo Saxons invade and take over the land of the Samoans then attack black people! Okay, the Samoans may not be black but are the original people of that land again abused out by the white man. Just imagine how Ross Taylor will be feeling after hearing about this? Australia and New Zealand need more foreigners to remind them of their history, that'll do the trick! Just look at the UK where groups like the National Front, Britain First and BNP have all but conceded defeat.

What are you on about. Samoans aren't natives, they came in the 50s. Maori are native. Nz is extremely multicultural. Auckland only has like 35 or 40% white population. I have never seen racism here in 18 years. The guy in the crowd was British.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Exactly. What is Jofra Archer doing himself to combat racism? He is only fueling the fire by claiming he was a victim of alleged racism. If anything, he should have waited until the investigation was over.

Exactly, wait for the outcome.

Some ppl on here are coming up with lame foolish arguments. Claiming Mo who has been subjected to countless instances of Islamaphobia, discussing this in an interview to Archer who has only stated one person in a country which is tolerant than most, as pointed out by Kane.

Archer will be tweeting a lot when England visit Australia. Mo was abused by didn't tweet about it.

 

[PakLFC]

What are you on about. Samoans aren't natives, they came in the 50s. Maori are native. Nz is extremely multicultural. Auckland only has like 35 or 40% white population. I have never seen racism here in 18 years. The guy in the crowd was British.

So Brit was abusing a fellow Brit coz of his colour? These Maori folk you are tellin' me off won't be much impressed either. New Zealand does not have a racist problem as much as Australia does I'll give you that but it is there. We saw an example during the recent Masjid bombings so stop kidding yourself that all is well.

 

[Aman]

So Brit was abusing a fellow Brit coz of his colour? These Maori folk you are tellin' me off won't be much impressed either. New Zealand does not have a racist problem as much as Australia does I'll give you that but it is there. We saw an example during the recent Masjid bombings so stop kidding yourself that all is well.

Yeah, NZ doesn't have a racism problem.

Literally taught from primary school about multiculturalism.

 

[Technics 1210]

Exactly, wait for the outcome.

Some ppl on here are coming up with lame foolish arguments. Claiming Mo who has been subjected to countless instances of Islamaphobia, discussing this in an interview to Archer who has only stated one person in a country which is tolerant than most, as pointed out by Kane.

Archer will be tweeting a lot when England visit Australia. Mo was abused by didn't tweet about it.

Your last sentence is the perfect summary for this thread.

One must ask, why is it that Mo doesn’t tweet of his experiences? Here is why : Mo is born and bred Brummie ��. Hardcore bullet proof shell! He has lived the realities of UK life to the extent he deals with verbal racism the same way as most British born do - $4it Happens – deal with it, or move on. Sticks and stones. He neither needs attention nor lives under victim-hood.

Jofra on the other hand, born in Barbados, moves to the UK in 2015, has spent more time discussing racism with the media than Mo has ever discussed Islamophobia, AND, racism, in his entire career!

What this thread has highlighted is made in Britain is built to last, compared to cheap imitations that melt like a snowflake!

This is Jofra today :

“I’m over it,” the England fast bowler said. “I’ve left what happened at the ground and I’ve moved on. But I found the incident a real shame.”

The thing is, Jofra doesn't realise that he did not leave what happened on the ground. The moment he tweeted what ONE man said, the entire episode was out the ground.

Jofra Archer has described the racial abuse that he was subjected to at the end of the first Test at the Bay Oval as a “real shame” but says he has put the incident behind him.

“I’m over it,” the England fast bowler said. “I’ve left what happened at the ground and I’ve moved on. But I found the incident a real shame.”

Archer said that he did not “want to go into the details of what was said” but added: “I know what I heard. I thought members of the crowd around the guy might have pulled him up because I could hear him from the pitch as I was walking off. I guess they didn’t.”

Archer also told the Daily Mail: “If someone wants to shout at me and tell me I’m bowling badly, that’s fine. I may not agree but it’s fine. It’s part of the experience of being a touring cricketer. To hear racism though — that’s another matter. There is no time or place for it in any walk of life, let alone cricket. It’s just not called for.

“Now my only goal is to make sure we finish this series on a high because we were all disappointed with the result in the first Test.”

The supporter who abused Archer could face a life ban, according to the chief executive of New Zealand Cricket. David White said that, if found, the culprit should “never be allowed” inside a cricket ground in New Zealand again. Authorities are continuing to search security footage.

“If we did find the person we’d refer them to the police in the first instance,” White said.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/jofra-archer-i-know-i-heard-racist-abuse-vc7rqzsl6

I get the feeling the investigation didn't go to well, and Jofra is defending himself, or perhaps back-peddling. Jofra has apparently *moved on*. I can kind of see why.

 

[Robert]

Perhaps, but he already has their support being a World Cup winner for England. How much more support does he need?

Enough to make him feel he is part of us. He's a recent immigrant, he needs to feel part of the UK.

Right, so the young fans in your example were not forewarned about racism by their parents? Honestly, if you think he is really raising awareness, tell me what you have learned about racism, that you did not know before his tweet?

I am not a young fan so you are asking the wrong person here.

Here’s the thing, lets take the antisemitic campaign against Corbyn/Labour. 30 years ago such a campaign would have had devastating effect on the Labour party, but now, because the antisemitic victim card has been over played in the past few decades, people have had enough of hearing the same cries, to the point, the cries are heard no more and ignored. Result? Labour has closed the gap between Tories.

Thirty years ago Labour did not have a antisemitism problem, so there was no matter to have arisen.

This problem came with the elevation of Corbyn, though he is not the cause. I don't believe he is antisemitic, but he has shared many a platform with some unpleasant characters and antisemites have accreted around him. Furthermore, some young Labourites don't seem to understand that antisemitism is racism because 1. many Jews are white and 2. they think they are punching up, not down because of the alleged "International Jewish Conspiracy" they read about on the internet.

This is precisely what I mean by over playing the victim card. Play it once, play it right. Play it incorrectly, and it will backfire.

I think Archer played his at the right time, but I can see the sense of keeping that ace in the hole.

Mrs Robert offers the thought that Blacks are more likely to speak up than South Asians when faced with racism. This is a generalisation - but I offer the thought that the latter would prefer to play the long game, getting educated and working hard and profiting within the white man's system; the former are more likely to stand outside the system and rail against it.

 

[Technics 1210]

I am not a young fan so you are asking the wrong person here.

I was playing along with your hypothetical. Though I think we both know that we were not aware of anything new in racism from the tweet, and I am pretty sure most people did not either.

Mrs Robert offers the thought that Blacks are more likely to speak up than South Asians when faced with racism. This is a generalisation - but I offer the thought that the latter would prefer to play the long game, getting educated and working hard and profiting within the white man's system; the former are more likely to stand outside the system and rail against it.

I think being born in Britain makes a difference?

I think the game is pretty easy. Why don't sportsmen & celebrities use social media to promote unity instead of highlighting division?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Enough to make him feel he is part of us. He's a recent immigrant, he needs to feel part of the UK.




I am not a young fan so you are asking the wrong person here.



Thirty years ago Labour did not have a antisemitism problem, so there was no matter to have arisen.

This problem came with the elevation of Corbyn, though he is not the cause. I don't believe he is antisemitic, but he has shared many a platform with some unpleasant characters and antisemites have accreted around him. Furthermore, some young Labourites don't seem to understand that antisemitism is racism because 1. many Jews are white and 2. they think they are punching up, not down because of the alleged "International Jewish Conspiracy" they read about on the internet.



I think Archer played his at the right time, but I can see the sense of keeping that ace in the hole.

Mrs Robert offers the thought that Blacks are more likely to speak up than South Asians when faced with racism. This is a generalisation - but I offer the thought that the latter would prefer to play the long game, getting educated and working hard and profiting within the white man's system; the former are more likely to stand outside the system and rail against it.

I think that last sentence might be true of Indians, Pakistanis are a different breed. If anything we are too vocal, even Pakistani cricketers have clashed badly down the years with England over one issue or another.

Go to the thread about the protests about the LGBT schooling issue and you will see Indians openly claiming that Pakistani vociferous protests show their failure to integrate. Indians are much better at playing the long game than the open and sometimes too blunt and honest Pakistani Brits.

 

[PakLFC]

Yeah, NZ doesn't have a racism problem.

Literally taught from primary school about multiculturalism.

I said it does have a racism problem but not as severe as next door in Australia.

 

[volcyz]

Nz has plenty of racism problems when I was there throughout my high school years for being Chinese

Like extreme racism.
Luckily nowadays it seems to have gone away.

 

[Abdullah719]

Bay Oval abuse referred to police

New Zealand Cricket has lodged a complaint with Tauranga police over the racial abuse directed at Jofra Archer near the end of the first Test against England at Bay Oval.

Information gathered from an inquiry which included studying CCTV footage, listening to audio, interviewing bystanders and obtaining material on social media has been incorporated in the complaint.

While the information-gathering exercise was useful, NZC has been unable to conclusively identify the person responsible and is therefore unable to comment on public speculation regarding his personal details.

NZC chief executive David White said despite this, he believed there was enough material garnered from the inquiry to justify lodging a complaint with the police, especially if the Bay Oval perpetrator was to reoffend.

“What happened to Jofra was reprehensible and has led to a general upscaling of security around the area of racial abuse at all our international venues,” he said.

“Should the person responsible ever reoffend, we believe we have enough information to link him to the Bay Oval incident.”

Mr White confirmed that, if a conclusive identification was forthcoming, NZC would seek to trespass the offender from all its international venues for a lengthy period.

 

[Gilly]

What are you on about. Samoans aren't natives, they came in the 50s. Maori are native. Nz is extremely multicultural. Auckland only has like 35 or 40% white population. I have never seen racism here in 18 years. The guy in the crowd was British.

Maori are not native to New Zealand, they came from Polynesia in the 1400's.

 

[James]

Snowflake post from me.

The standard of posting in this thread has been quite low imo. Some pretty shocking comments.

Racism is wrong and should be called out every time. End of.

 

[Saj]

The man responsible for racially abusing England cricketer Jofra Archer at the Bay Oval has been banned from attending international and domestic fixtures in New Zealand for two years.

Archer was targeted by racial abuse on the final day of the first Test between England and New Zealand in November, eventuating in a complaint being laid with Tauranga police.

As a result of their inquiries, police have spoken to a 28-year-old Auckland man who subsequently admitted responsibility for the abuse. He was issued with a verbal warning for using insulting language.

NZC have since contacted the man and have also written to him, advising of his ban from all international and domestic fixtures in New Zealand until 2022.

NZC spokesman Anthony Crummy said if the man breached the conditions of his ban and attended a fixture he would be removed from the venue and could become subject to further police action.

“We’d again like to extend our apologies to Jofra and the England team management for such an unsavoury incident and reiterate once more that this type of behaviour is completely unacceptable,” said Mr Crummy.

Mr Crummy said NZC would continue to treat offensive language and/or behaviour seriously, with anti-racist messages posted on signs around the grounds, on the big screen, and delivered by ground-announcers.

In addition, spectators at all venues would be encouraged to use NZC’s text alert system to notify ground security of any anti-social behaviour, including racist taunts and abuse.

“We want to thank the NZ Police for their efforts in identifying the person responsible, and for making it clear that this type of behaviour will not be minimised.”

Mr Crummy said NZC would not be disclosing the identity of the offender, nor information that might lead to his identification.

 

[MenInG]

England bowler Jofra Archer has condemned racist abuse on social media after posting messages he has received.
The 24-year-old, who helped England win the 2019 World Cup, screenshot racist messages from an individual and posted them on his Instagram story on Monday evening.

He commented below the messages saying: “I (have) given a lot of thought about reacting to this and I hope that no one else has to deal with stuff like this on a regular basis, it isn’t ever acceptable and should be addressed properly in my opinion.

“I will never understand how people feel so freely to say these things to another human being it baffles me.”

It is the not the first time that Archer has spoken out about racist abuse.

He was racially abused at the end of the first Test against New Zealand as he scored a second-innings 30 during England’s defeat in Mount Maunganui last November.

Archer, who received the abuse as he walked back to the pavilion at the Bay Oval, said on Twitter after the match: “A bit disturbing hearing racial insults today while battling to help save my team.

“The crowd has been amazing this week except for that one guy. The Barmy Army was good as usual also.”

New Zealand Cricket announced in January that a 28-year-old man, who admitted the offence, had been banned from attending international and domestic games in New Zealand for two years

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...e/news-story/8a1f01bd16cbbee56d09a3182c25642e

 

[MenInG]

England fast bowler Jofra Archer has urged victims of racial abuse to speak out following the death of an unarmed black man in police custody in the United States.

Video footage showed a white police officer kneeling on the neck of George Floyd, 46, for nearly nine minutes before he died on May 25, triggering outrage and protests across the world.

“I’m very glad the Black Lives Matter campaign has got as vocal as this,” Archer, who was racially abused by a fan during a test against New Zealand in November last year, wrote in his column for the Daily Mail.

“As an individual, I’ve always been one for speaking out, especially if something bothers you. My personal view is that you should never keep things bottled up, because racism is not okay.”

Archer has played seven tests and 14 one-day internationals for England and has lauded the team for its diversity.

“We all live in the country and if you are English, you have as much right to play as anyone else,” the 25-year-old added.

“There was a picture ... of me, Jos Buttler and Adil Rashid hugging in celebration during the 2019 World Cup. It told you everything you need to know about our team.”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...er-campaign/story-IQMXJXprth1NbhIseo5ymN.html

 

[Shazzam]

Archer knows first hand what being a victim of racism feels like. He showed a lot of strength in speaking out about it. Now millions are not afraid.

 

[Abdullah719]

Jofra Archer Needs Support Over Racist Abuse, Says Jason Holder

West Indies captain Jason Holder said Jofra Archer needed support after receiving racist abuse for breaching COVID-19 protocols as cricket could not afford to do without the talented England fast bowler. Archer was stood down from England's series-levelling win in the second Test at Old Trafford, receiving a fine and a written warning, after it emerged he had breached the bio-secure regulations governing the series by making an unauthorised trip to his home in Hove.

Barbados-born paceman Archer indicated in his Daily Mail column on Wednesday that, following online racist abuse, he may not be in the right frame of mind to play in the third and final Test with the West Indies, also in Manchester, starting on Friday.

"For him (Archer) to have been racially abused in New Zealand last winter (a Kiwi fan was subsequently banned till 2022) and for it now to be resurfacing would traumatise any individual," Holder wrote in his Daily Mail column published Thursday.

"More than ever, now is the time for us all to unite behind him and show as much support as we can," said Holder of his fellow Bajan cricketer Archer.

"We need to eradicate racism and abuse and anything we as a West Indies team can do to help him we will do."

While this series has seen both teams unite behind the banner of Black Lives Matter, Holder said social media companies needed to do more to stamp out racist abuse.

"Social media is always in our faces every time we pick up our phone and I think the people who run Instagram and Twitter, in particular, need to get a firmer grip on what goes on," said the 28-year-old all rounder.

"You just cannot pop up on someone's social media and leave an abusive comment and get away with it."

Holder, yet to speak to Archer about the abuse he'd received, said it was important those close to the 25-year-old Sussex rising star rallied round him now.

"However much you try to ignore these things, they can come back up so he needs to find a coping mechanism and it's equally important for those around him to understand what he's going through so they can then help him get past what he's facing," Holder explained.

"World cricket wants people like Jofra Archer on the field and it's not good for the game to see what he's been going through."

https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/jof...t-over-racist-abuse-says-jason-holder-2267841

 

[Saj]

You have to be thick-skinned to be on social media, but why should people just accept racist abuse.

I don't get this, 'it's part of social media' attitude.

 

[Manunited18]

Maybe joffras attitude recently relates to the racial abuse he suffered via social media? , and absolutely no human has to suffer any kind of abuse which can lead to emotional and rational disturbances.

 

[aloo paratha]

You have to be thick-skinned to be on social media, but why should people just accept racist abuse.

I don't get this, 'it's part of social media' attitude.

How do you plan on stopping the racists?

 

[aloo paratha]

Part of me also thinks Jofra is lying about the racist comments or at least blowing it way out of proportions. Chris Jordan has been a regular fixture in the English team for 6-7 years now, and I can't remember him complaining about racist comments.

 

[Titan24]

The kind of mental toll its talking on Archer as per him, I think he needs to take a break from social media. Racism is horrible but, unfortunately there is no way to stop everyone in social media from stooping low. Not sure what ECB can do here, only thing possible is to report the abuse to the social media websites.

As said there is no sure shot way of being on social media and not get any poor comments on your way especially when you are a known personality. Society isnt gonna completely change during Archer’s playing days so he only has two options either maintain a distance from social media or stop noticing every single bad thing about him otherwise he will keep on missing matches due to his state of mind not being match ready.

 

[Manunited18]

Some pieces of human trash actually think that being the victim of a racist attack and talking about it is playing the victim card. These types of people actually help racism exist and thrive. Just a bunch of uncle toms. Worse than actual racists

Couldn't agree more, uncle toms of the highest order

 

[Varun]

Part of me also thinks Jofra is lying about the racist comments or at least blowing it way out of proportions. Chris Jordan has been a regular fixture in the English team for 6-7 years now, and I can't remember him complaining about racist comments.

Plus it's probably going on all the time on social media, and didn't start just last week.

Jofra Archer is becoming a bit like Harbhajan Singh in that he and not his bowling is covering the sports pages daily.

 

[Saj]

How do you plan on stopping the racists?

I don't run Twitter, Facebook etc so it's not my job.

Two ways to deal with it though for Archer - ignore it or tackle it.

 

[Robert]

Part of me also thinks Jofra is lying about the racist comments or at least blowing it way out of proportions. Chris Jordan has been a regular fixture in the English team for 6-7 years now, and I can't remember him complaining about racist comments.

So Jordan’s absence of complaint means he has not been victimised by racism?

I think it is safe to assume that he has.

 

[Manunited18]

Also you cannot compare moin to joff, totally different personalities and characters, moin as we know is quiet and media shy, and at the other end of scale joff who likes to be part of social interaction and enjoys the limelight, but however joff reacts to any kind of discrimination is a total understanble and a brave thing to do to speak out, I guess it's even more aplaudable him being in the limelight as a elite sportsman to speak out rather than a armchair nobody .

 

[aloo paratha]

So Jordan’s absence of complaint means he has not been victimised by racism?

I think it is safe to assume that he has.

Could be the case. Jordan hasn't complained once in 7 years of being a regular, meanwhile Archer seems to complain every other day. Certainly seems sketchy to me. Or maybe the abuse Archer faces isn't actually racist, it's just normal criticisms people face, but because he wants to look like a victim, he claims it's racially motivated.

 

[aloo paratha]

I don't run Twitter, Facebook etc so it's not my job.

Two ways to deal with it though for Archer - ignore it or tackle it.

I say he should ignore it and focus on his cricket, because clearly his bowling needs work. He seems to want to be a drama queen though.

 

[MenInG]

 

[Technics 1210]

Doesn't Jofra know how to report a post/page? Attention seeking again. He needs to grow a thick skin and ignore such comments on social media. It's a waste of time to be reporting every post he deems racist as the desired effect has worn off. If he can't handle it, then he should leave social media.