Junaid Khan is our second best bowler after Shaheen Shah Afridi

[Slim]

I have held this belief since Pakistan's series in Australia which was Junaid's comeback series.

Shaheen
Junaid
Hassan

The trio that should be in the playing 11.

Change my mind if you disagree.

 

[Tiger96]

True the overrated Amir can sit on the bench.

 

[ahmadharis1]

Agreed, honestly should be a confirmed pick in the XI

 

[Boi]

Yeah second best bowler bowling leg stump short stuff with fine leg up. Brainless.

 

[Slim]

Yeah second best bowler bowling leg stump short stuff with fine leg up. Brainless.

Did you just start watching cricket? One over doesnt defines someones bowling. Its down to atrocious captaincy by Malik - the field placements are horrible.

 

[Boi]

Junaid and Shinwari are both liabilities who will cost us big time on true wickets at the World Cup. Especially Shinwari.

 

[Slim]

Junaid and Shinwari are both liabilities who will cost us big time on true wickets at the World Cup. Especially Shinwari.

Yeah, lets play Abbas and Amir instead of Junaid. What a blind fan.

 

[DRsohail]

Junaid and Shinwari are both liabilities who will cost us big time on true wickets at the World Cup. Especially Shinwari.

better than Amir.

 

[Syed1]

Junaid and Shinwari are both liabilities who will cost us big time on true wickets at the World Cup. Especially Shinwari.

Yeah instead we should take super duper phasst Abbas and his 125kph dibbly dobblers

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

No he is not.he is an awful trundler with no skills.he should not be in the team for world cup

 

[Farhan93]

But people have short memories they forget his performances with time. They just follow Mickey... Still many fans consider Amir as leader of our bowling attack

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] Junaid has been decent for a while but Micky and Inzi has their own favorites and thast end of maxwell ,Thanks to good bouncer from Junaid.

 

[Slim]

[MENTION=5495]Boi[/MENTION] what about now eh? his next over was fantastic and included maxwell's wicket

your post doesnt represents the amount of time you have spend here, absolute noobish opinion

 

[DRsohail]

No he is not.he is an awful trundler with no skills.he should not be in the team for world cup

Amir and co should be beacuse they gets wicket with bowling fast.

 

[Slim]

No he is not.he is an awful trundler with no skills.he should not be in the team for world cup

embarrassing post

 

[Syed1]

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] Junaid has been decent for a while but Micky and Inzi has their own favorites and thast end of maxwell ,Thanks to good bouncer from Junaid.

That pattern keeps repeating... Junaid gets a match in the latter half of a series. Does well, better than the bowlers he replaced. Then starts from bench in the next series. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Mamoon]

Junaid is a hack who is always on the cusp of getting smashed and losing his team the game. He has zero ability to swing the ball and can only jag the ball off the seam at times.

In addition, post his knee injury in 2014, he has been reduced to a trundler.

He can take wickets when he is in rhythm, but when he is off, he is all over the place. He is cut from the same cloth as Gul and Shinwari.

As much as I dislike Amir’s cowardly bowling, he is still much better and offers vastly superior control.

 

[babajee]

Hasan is our best pacer followed by Shaheen.

 

[CricFan2012]

He is not. Has always looked ordinary apart from that India series where every single bowler was bowling better than they actually were due to the conditions.

He is going to go for runs if we play him in the World Cup.

 

[Slim]

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] Junaid has been decent for a while but Micky and Inzi has their own favorites and thast end of maxwell ,Thanks to good bouncer from Junaid.

That pattern keeps repeating... Junaid gets a match in the latter half of a series. Does well, better than the bowlers he replaced. Then starts from bench in the next series. Rinse and repeat.

exactly, mickey and inzi seem to have an agenda against him

time after time he has been dropped due to one excuse or other, its a farce on how it keeps on happening and theres no noise on it.

 

[Boi]

[MENTION=5495]Boi[/MENTION] what about now eh? his next over was fantastic and included maxwell's wicket

your post doesnt represents the amount of time you have spend here, absolute noobish opinion

We’ll see when the World Cup comes around. His only use is on these slow pitches. Don’t expect anything special from him come the big tournament.

 

[babajee]

Junaid is a hack who is always on the cusp of getting smashed and losing his team the game. He has zero ability to swing the ball and can only jag the ball off the seam at times.

In addition, post his knee injury in 2014, he has been reduced to a trundler.

He can take wickets when he is in rhythm, but when he is off, he is all over the place. He is cut from the same cloth as Gul and Shinwari.

As much as I dislike Amir’s cowardly bowling, he is still much better and offers vastly superior control.

I see you have removed Hasan from 'the cloth'

 

[DRsohail]

Junaid is a hack who is always on the cusp of getting smashed and losing his team the game. He has zero ability to swing the ball and can only jag the ball off the seam at times.

In addition, post his knee injury in 2014, he has been reduced to a trundler.

He can take wickets when he is in rhythm, but when he is off, he is all over the place. He is cut from the same cloth as Gul and Shinwari.

As much as I dislike Amir’s cowardly bowling, he is still much better and offers vastly superior control.

But Mamoon what alteratives we have,Husnain is new,Aamir has been ordinary,Shinwari is the same ,Fahim is not even a wicket taker,Only hassan and Shaheen shah are above him.

 

[We Bleed Green]

I have also believed that Junaid Khan is one of our best bowlers. He will be my third pick after Afridi and Hassan Ali

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Second best bowler is a guy who goes at 6.5 an over on such a slow track?

 

[Plumb]

Junaid keep serving humble pies to the Management... but some people are so ignorant that you can't even argue....

 

[coy0607]

not at all - Junaid is a decent bowler on his day, but pretty average otherwise

Shaheen, Hassan and Faheem are locks. 4th spot up for grabs between Shinwari and Junaid (I prefer Shinwari for his wicket taking abilities)

Amir, Abbas should be out of consideration for the WC. Husnain clearly isn't ready yet either

 

[iRfaN_LA]

Junaid is no better than Amir. Since his knee injury, he is a shadow of his past. If he is our second best bowler, then we are done for the worldcup.

 

[DRsohail]

not at all - Junaid is a decent bowler on his day, but pretty average otherwise

Shaheen, Hassan and Faheem are locks. 4th spot up for grabs between Shinwari and Junaid (I prefer Shinwari for his wicket taking abilities)

Amir, Abbas should be out of consideration for the WC. Husnain clearly isn't ready yet either

We need five pacers over there .

 

[iRfaN_LA]

not at all - Junaid is a decent bowler on his day, but pretty average otherwise

Shaheen, Hassan and Faheem are locks. 4th spot up for grabs between Shinwari and Junaid (I prefer Shinwari for his wicket taking abilities)

Amir, Abbas should be out of consideration for the WC. Husnain clearly isn't ready yet either

How is Faheem a lock? He is a flop with the bat and his bowling is pretty ordinary.

 

[topspin]

Junaid is a hack who is always on the cusp of getting smashed and losing his team the game. He has zero ability to swing the ball and can only jag the ball off the seam at times.

In addition, post his knee injury in 2014, he has been reduced to a trundler.

He can take wickets when he is in rhythm, but when he is off, he is all over the place. He is cut from the same cloth as Gul and Shinwari.

As much as I dislike Amir’s cowardly bowling, he is still much better and offers vastly superior control.

Very well said and like yourself I'm no fan of Amir's bowling either. Unfortunately too many posters here have a habit here of jumping to conclusions and merely reacting to the moment, with little to no insight whatsoever.

 

[Mamoon]

I see you have removed Hasan from 'the cloth'

He is, but that cloth is of comparatively better quality.

 

[Mamoon]

But Mamoon what alteratives we have,Husnain is new,Aamir has been ordinary,Shinwari is the same ,Fahim is not even a wicket taker,Only hassan and Shaheen shah are above him.

Shaheen, Hasan, Amir, Imad and Zafar should be our attack.

 

[Farhan93]

Shaheen, Hasan, Amir, Imad and Zafar should be our attack.

Amir with average of 130 in the last 12 matches? Are you serious?

 

[Farhan93]

Junaid didn't take a new ball straightway today , he often picks wicket within first two overs of a new ball and that's what we need.. He would have picked 2-3 wickets if was given a ball instead of Hasnain.

When Amir plays he makes sure he completely wastes new ball from his end before any other bowler could take advantage of it

 

[Mamoon]

Amir with average of 130 in the last 12 matches? Are you serious?

He is not potent, but more often than not, he is economical. Shaheen and Hasan are our main wicket-takers, but we also need someone who can bowl tight spells.

The problem for Pakistan at the moment is that it’s wicket-taking bowlers are expensive and it’s economical bowlers are not-wicket taking.

That is why we need to strike a balance, and I believe that a pace trio of Shaheen, Hasan and Amir is our most feasible attack at the moment.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Aamir is incapable of taking wickets but keeps it tight. Junaid can take wickets but he can leak runs. I will take Junaid over Aamir because Pakistan badly need wicket taking bowlers.

 

[Hasan123]

Hasan Ali is our best bowler.

 

[TeymurBlake]

With Shaheen and Hasan being our strike bowlers, having Imad and Junaid there seems to make sense. Having Shadab for his lepspin isn't a bad option either.

 

[Salman4.]

He is also bowling at Amir's pace these days.

 

[DRsohail]

Shaheen, Hasan, Amir, Imad and Zafar should be our attack.

Aamir seruouly?

 

[Mamoon]

Aamir seruouly?

Post #36.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Shinwari is superior to both Amir and Junaid. Just look at how well he bowled today.

 

[Slim]

Shinwari is superior to both Amir and Junaid. Just look at how well he bowled today.

bro, you are a known shinwari fan, your opinion is not worth it on this matter.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Never understood why Junaid has been getting dropped since 2017.

Whenever he has played he has taken wickets with the new ball. Something we really lack.

Junaid deserves more respect from posters. Not as pacy as he used to be but still very potent with the new ball.

 

[GreenKhan]

Junaid Khan is one under rated bowler. He has taken over 100 wickets at an average of around 27 and that is respectable no matter how you look at it . I hear terms such as “trundler” associated with him on this forum . Just shows the lack of knowledge of some people.

Injuries have affected him but every time he bounces back . He was very instrumental in CT17 after he came in for Wahab. Since then he has played a handful of matches due to his niggles.

It was his first match back today But he did managed to pick up a wicket in his opening spell.

He defo should be in the squad . Using the boxing term
“Pound for pound “ he is better than Amir and shinwari . Just compare the records .

 

[Greenstorm]

He is our third best bowler after Shaheen and Hassan.

 

[Kroll]

He might be a "trundler", he might be mediocre, he can't swing the ball, he can't seam the ball, in fact he can't bowl but at least he's picking up wickets unlike the hero Amir.

 

[ar2020]

Junaid is a 5 to 6 run an over bowler that picks up 1 or 2 wickets.

 

[ads101]

I don't know. He doesn't really do any worse than anyone else but doesn't exactly look impressive. He has a good overall average but declined massively since 2014, he averages 41 at an economy of 5.68. And just in general he doesn't look as good or as quick as he used to early on in his career.

Shinwari can be wayward but probably has more potential at this point.

 

[sindhiboy]

he will definitely be effective on english pitches. he is a must. amir can still be in wc squad, but either shinwari or junaid khan will play as the 3rd seamer.

juniad is someone who definitely has not been given a fair number of chances. he is the most experienced bowler pakistan have. he is someone who should have played way more games in all formats, including test matches.

he has proven time and time again that he can bowl on flat pitches, his whole test career, he has taken wickets in asia.

but ignorant fans lambast him just because he does not have the simple straight, robotic and so called "beautiful" . action, which supposedly each fast bowler is supposed to have

 

[Pak Warrior]

Hassan Ali is our best, followed by Shaheen at 2nd spot. 3rd is tough because Amir is a better bowler than Junaid, he keeps it economically tight and on his day is a match winner...but his day hasn't come for a long time. I would still pick him over Junaid, especially in English conditions he should be a beast

 

[PakPremi]

Hassan Ali is our best, followed by Shaheen at 2nd spot. 3rd is tough because Amir is a better bowler than Junaid, he keeps it economically tight and on his day is a match winner...but his day hasn't come for a long time. I would still pick him over Junaid, especially in English conditions he should be a beast

Junaid is more likely to take wicket than Amir, and his bowling has more variety. Pacewise not much difference.

 

[PakPremi]

I would try Musa in place of Husnain for the world cup squad. I was dead against Shinwari but his bowling was a lot more organised today. Let's see next two games if he returns to his old haphazard ways.

 

[Hawkeye]

Shinwari is superior to both Amir and Junaid. Just look at how well he bowled today.

No idea how you and [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] are such huge Shinwari fans. I mean... it's unbelievable.

On topic:

Like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] said, Shinwari is Junaid v2, who is pretty much the same as Gul.

He's nowhere near Amir, Hasan, Shaheen.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

He has taken wickets and bowled well only against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe since CT 17 and averages 114 at an Economy of 6+ against Top Teams.

Today on a bowling friendly pitch compared to Sharjah, he went for an Economy of 6.5 with just 1 wicket and isn't our 2nd best bowler more so because he has nothing left in his armoury and can't even be economical.

With everyone going through a bad patch against Top Teams except for Shaheen Afridi since CT 17, it's difficult to tell who is the 2nd best among the bowlers.

 

[ExpressPacer]

No idea how you and [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] are such huge Shinwari fans. I mean... it's unbelievable.

On topic:

Like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] said, Shinwari is Junaid v2, who is pretty much the same as Gul.

He's nowhere near Amir, Hasan, Shaheen.

If there's one thing I don't like about the PSL or 20/20 cricket in general, it is given too much significance when a fast bowlers performances are concerned. I would agree that Shinwari was very expensive this PSL, however, with flat pitches, batsman friendly rules and massive bats - what do you expect?

Why is a T20 league given more authority when it comes to judging Shinwari, instead of international cricket, a form of cricket where Shinwari has actually shown his worth! He has been brilliant in ODIs throughout the year and looked the most troubling bowler in the Asia cup too. Even in the games vs India, he produced many chances that went begging and bowled several maidens, creating pressure - pressure that was allowed to be lost due to poor bowling by Amir and Hasan on the other end.

Even today, his bowling was spectacular and looked a class apart from the rest of the pacers. Look at his economy, look at how he bowled maidens and who's wicket he got. He has shown the knack to pick wickets and if Pakistan is to lose a potential match-winning bowler like Shinwari owing to his returns in the PSL and T20 cricket, then the PSL is doing more harm to Pakistan cricket than good. We're talking about a league where Wahan Riaz and Sohail Tanvir lead the wicket charts!

If you're going to judge Shinwari for his performances in Twenty20 leagues, then head over to the BBL where his side did not drop him for a single game! He performed brilliantly and won his team several matches versus superior batsman in bigger stadiums and tougher conditions for bowling.

Mickey is a smart coach and hopefully, Shinwari is here to stay, at least from his performances today, I would hope so. Hasan, Shaheen, Shinwari and Hasnain would add a lot of power to our attack.

 

[Bilal7]

The four pacers we need to take to the WC are Hasan, Amir, Junaid and Shaheen. Junaid has been averaging around 25 recently and is far better than the likes of Shinwari and Faheem.

Since there will be nine group matches this time around, the pacers should be rotated out every other game. With all four bowling in similar conditions, it will be easy to see who the top three are. Those three should then be played in the semis and final.

 

[a_tahir]

I would agree that Shinwari was very expensive this PSL, however, with flat pitches, batsman friendly rules and massive bats - What do you expect

Isn't that EXACTLY how the pitches in england would be like?

 

[ExpressPacer]

Isn't that EXACTLY how the pitches in england would be like?

Only difference is, it's not going to be the T20 format. Everyone on this forum is quick to bash the poor guy for something that is totally irrelevant. He has made his place in the ODI side because of consistent performances. No matter how much of a poor PSL he has, it has no regard.

He averages 18 in ODIs and after a decent sample size, to this day, he has never had an economy exceeding 6!

 

[gazza619]

JK has past his prime. Still does a decent job with the new ball.

 

[Chokli]

He has been brilliant in ODIs throughout the year and looked the most troubling bowler in the Asia cup too. Even in the games vs India, he produced many chances that went begging and bowled several maidens, creating pressure - pressure that was allowed to be lost due to poor bowling by Amir and Hasan on the other end.

Mickey is a smart coach and hopefully, Shinwari is here to stay, at least from his performances today, I would hope so. Hasan, Shaheen, Shinwari and Hasnain would add a lot of power to our attack.

Lol bowled several maidens, where are you getting this from.

He bowled 4 overs and went for 27 runs.

I agree with what you said regarding T20 performances.

Ideally Faheem shouldn't be in the squad, I'd have Junaid, Shinwari and Amir.

And no Hasnain isn't ready.

 

[ali2220]

Hassan Ali is our best, followed by Shaheen at 2nd spot. 3rd is tough because Amir is a better bowler than Junaid, he keeps it economically tight and on his day is a match winner...but his day hasn't come for a long time. I would still pick him over Junaid, especially in English conditions he should be a beast

I agree with you on everything except on aamer, i thin k aamer will fail again in WC.We probably still need to go with aamer and shinwari in WC and whoever is doing better should be our third pacer.Its probably too early to bring in hasnain or musa for WC.

 

[Madplayer]

I dont know which matches PPers have seen Junaid bowl in, but whenever i have seen him bowl, he has looked like picking up wickets. I really dont understand what people want from him.

 

[Slim]

I dont know which matches PPers have seen Junaid bowl in, but whenever i have seen him bowl, he has looked like picking up wickets. I really dont understand what people want from him.

I think its an inherent bias that Mickey and inzamam suffers from as well. Junaid might have slower speed but his line and length are attacking and his bowling revolves around trying to take a wicket. Amir on the other hand relies on a defensive line and length which revolves around him saving himself from getting hit.

 

[indianpanacea]

For English pitches Amir and Junaid are must... Amir, Junaid, shaheen, Hassan Ali must b pace quadrelet.. And must be rotated with fahim Ashraf as backup

 

[Bilal7]

I think its an inherent bias that Mickey and inzamam suffers from as well. Junaid might have slower speed but his line and length are attacking and his bowling revolves around trying to take a wicket. Amir on the other hand relies on a defensive line and length which revolves around him saving himself from getting hit.

Mickey maybe, but definitely not Inzamam. He's the one who gave Junaid his comeback and has now given him a fair chance to prove that he deserves to be on the plane to England.

 

[Adijazz1706]

UKS vs Junaid for the 3rd pacer in the XI, Amir should be out of the picture

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

he will definitely be effective on english pitches. he is a must. amir can still be in wc squad, but either shinwari or junaid khan will play as the 3rd seamer.

juniad is someone who definitely has not been given a fair number of chances. he is the most experienced bowler pakistan have. he is someone who should have played way more games in all formats, including test matches.

he has proven time and time again that he can bowl on flat pitches, his whole test career, he has taken wickets in asia.

but ignorant fans lambast him just because he does not have the simple straight, robotic and so called "beautiful" . action, which supposedly each fast bowler is supposed to have

There's no guarantee he will be effective on English pitches, they are usually flat and lifeless in the summer, especially ODI tracks. He might be worth considering anyway, if only because he was bowling a consistent length yesterday, gave very few long hops or half volleys.

He's not quick enough, bowls at around 135kph mostly, so he might get caned at the end of the innings....but then so will every other Pak pace bowler mostly. Wahab is the only one who seems a decent death bowler, that too if he is on form.

 

[Pak Warrior]

Junaid is more likely to take wicket than Amir, and his bowling has more variety. Pacewise not much difference.

I agree on pace being same, and Junaid more likely to take wicket. But in terms of variety its hard to see. I feel both bowlers need the assistance of pitch to be at their peak. It's hard to choose Amir over Junaid because we feel he may give us break thru. but the quality of Amirs bowling is going to keep it very economical and build pressure on the batsmen making it easier for other bowlers to pick up the wickets when the batsmen try to alleviate the built up pressure and score.

 

[Pak Warrior]

I agree with you on everything except on aamer, i thin k aamer will fail again in WC.We probably still need to go with aamer and shinwari in WC and whoever is doing better should be our third pacer.Its probably too early to bring in hasnain or musa for WC.

Hasnain has all the potential to be a big problem for future batsmen. his raw talent is visible to all, and he will surely get better under the right mentor. I'm not sure what to say about musa, I haven't seen him closely to comment. Both shinwari and amir should be available when called upon. Shinwari had a good psl especially one death over that he handled with pure brilliance and venom, but Amir should be started ahead of him and if he is struggling then we can play musical chairs with the free spot as we try out our options. The potential of Amir is such that if he strikes he will win the match for you, and if he struggles he still keeps it very economical and builds pressure to assist other wicket takers. He must be tried in the line up.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Amir, Junaid, Hasan, Shadab, Faheem.

 

[Mamoon]

Order has been restored. Hopefully this will be the end of Junaid in international cricket.

He was finished 5 years ago.

 

[Sherlock]

No pace no nothing. He's become a trundler with a decent yorker but nothing else.

 

[iRfaN_LA]

Junaid is no way a better bowler than Amir. Amir has bee wicketless but is far superior.

 

[ExpressPacer]

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] you were saying?

This guy can't hold a candle to Shinwari.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

This thread will be revived again once he takes wickets with the new ball and Pak struggle in the world cup to pick up wickets.

The chronicles of a Pakistani fan. An ever repeating cycle.

 

[Syed1]

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] you were saying?

This guy can't hold a candle to Shinwari.

I'd take a bowler who is consistently good against the bowler who might get smashed for a 100 in one match and pick up a fifer in the next.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I'd take a bowler who is consistently good against the bowler who might get smashed for a 100 in one match and pick up a fifer in the next.

When has he performed poorly though? We're talking about ODI's here. We're talking about the ODI world cup. Please enlighten us on where Shinwari has gotten smashed for 100? Or even close?

 

[Slim]

Being the second best bowler in Pakistan is not saying a lot and rather is a reflection of how poor Amir, and Abbas are.