Kashmiris may choose Pakistan or independence: PM Imran Khan

[MenInG]

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday said Pakistan will allow Kashmiris to decide between choosing to join Pakistan or remaining independent even after they vote in favour of Pakistan in a future plebiscite.

Addressing a public gathering in Kotli district of Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) on Kash*mir Solidarity Day, which is being observed across the country today, the premier also reminded the United Nations and the international community that they had failed to provide the promised right to the people of Kashmir to determine their own future.

He recalled that the world had promised Kashmiris in 1948 that they would get the right to decide their own future as per UN Security Council resolutions.

"So I've come here to firstly remind the world that the right [promised] to the people of Kashmir was not fulfilled," he told the crowd.

In contrast, the prime minister noted, East Timor, which was an Indonesian island with a Christian majority, became independent after the UNSC pursued a referendum there.

The premier said he had in the past reminded and will always remind the UN that "you did not fulfil the promise [made to Kashmiris]."

Addressing the people of Kashmir, the prime minister said: "When the residents of Indian-occupied Kashmir as well as Azad Kashmir get the right to decide their future, and when the people of Kashmir will choose Pakistan InshAllah, then Pakistan will give Kashmiris the right to decide whether they want to become a part of Pakistan or remain independent."

Imran said the entire Pakistan was standing with the people of occupied Kashmir. "And not just all of Pakistan, but the Muslim world is standing with you," he told them.

"If Muslim governments, for any reason, are not supporting you today, I can assure you the entire population of the Muslim world is standing with the people of occupied Kashmir," he said, adding that even non-Muslims who favoured justice believed that Kashmiris should be given their promised right.

Prime Minister Imran said the people of Pakistan understood the ordeals the residents of occupied Kashmir had gone through and continued to suffer.

"I as a father want to say to you that we all know what you go through, the kind of pain you face, the kind of tyrant you are confronting," he told Kashmiri parents.

"Whatever strength I have, I will raise your voice at every forum. I have been doing it and will keep raising it. [...] Rest assured that I will be the ambassador of Kashmir and will raise my voice for you everywhere until Kashmir gains independence."

The prime minister said upon assuming office he had tried his best to send a message of friendship to India and make it understand that the Kashmir issue could not be resolved through "oppression".

"World history shows that no powerful army of the world can win against a [united] population; when an entire nation stands up, the biggest armies failed," he said, citing the examples of Vietnam, Afghanistan and Algeria.

"India may bring 900,000 army [troops] or even more, but the people of Kashmir will never accept your slavery," he added.

Referring to India's revocation of occupied Kashmir's semi-autonomous status, he said the "few people" in Kashmir who supported India now favoured independence too due to the oppression and injustice it began perpetrating after August 5, 2019.

"Any politician in Kashmir who is pro-India cannot win an election in Kashmir," the premier emphasised.

'Ready for talks with India for Kashmir'
Prime Minister Imran said he couldn't initially understand why Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi did not move forward on his offer for dialogue. But he said following the Pulwama attack, and after Indian jets violated Pakistani airspace and "martyred our trees in Balakot", he understood that "they don't want peace or friendship, but they were using Pulwama and Balakot to win elections."

Moreover, firebrand Indian television anchor Arnab Goswami's transcripts showed that the attack was pre-planned in order to win elections, Imran said, adding that the EU DisinfoLab report had further revealed that India was using hundreds of fake sites and accounts to spread propaganda against Pakistan.

"So we were doing friendship and you were cutting our roots but today what is coming in front of everyone? The agenda of RSS and their ideology," he said, addressing the Indian leadership.

The premier said the RSS ideology had hurt India itself the most and it was the reason the country was so divided.

"Today India's farmers are out protesting [and] the conditions of Muslims are in front of everyone," he added, citing the citizenship law introduced by India deemed discriminatory towards Muslims.

"So Modi, my biggest message for you is that the divisions you're doing in India, this Hindutva ideology may win you elections but you are laying the foundation for India's destruction," the prime minister told his Indian counterpart.

"Today I again say, solve the Kashmir issue together with us and for that, firstly the step you took on August 5 to revoke Article 370, you should restore it, and then talk to us, and give Kashmiris the right which the world community promised them according to UN resolutions.

"We are ready to talk with you again but [...] never take this to understand that we want to have friendly ties with you in a state of weakness."

On the occasion, the prime minister told people living near the Line of Control who face bombardment by Indian troops that the government will "fully help you". He said the government had prepared a package for such populations, including people who had to relocate due to frequent firing.

Addressing the opposition Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) leaders holding a simultaneous rally in AJK, Imran said: "All those gathered in Muzaffarabad today, listen, if you want to do a long march then definitely do it, I will help you in doing it wherever you want to do it. But even if you hang upside down I will not give you NRO."

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[WhenSultansBowled]

World history shows that no powerful army of the world can win against a [united] population; when an entire nation stands up, the biggest armies failed

Well said

Kashmir will be an independent state (Insha'Allah).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

"We are ready to talk with you again but [...] never take this to understand that we want to have friendly ties with you in a state of weakness."

The mark of a true leader. Ever willing to give his opponent a way out of the darkness and onto the sunlit roads of peace and prosperity.

 

[Mamoon]

Independence of Kashmir (or merger with AJK) and the fall of Israel are two delusional Pakistani dreams that will forever remain......dreams.

I just hope our future generations make peace with reality and move on.

 

[guna]

Why will Kashmiris want to join Pakistan? What can Pakistan offer Kashmiris when Pakistan itself is struggling with so many issues and always on the brink.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Independence of Kashmir (or merger with AJK) and the fall of Israel are two delusional Pakistani dreams that will forever remain......dreams.

I just hope our future generations make peace with reality and move on.

Decide, last time I checked Imran Khan was the Zionist Jew Israeli jasoos (spy)! Already changed the narrative, huh?!

You lot probably said the same thing in 1940s about Pakistan

Time will tell. At one point Nazis were the bosses of Europe, they conquered the bejesus out of France within 45 minutes. And we all know their end very well.

So you never know, both India and Israel have entered the fascist society territory.

I don't know Mamoon, dreams sometimes become true

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Why will Kashmiris want to join Pakistan? What can Pakistan offer Kashmiris when Pakistan itself is struggling with so many issues and always on the brink.

For starters, Pak won't send a million soldiers to Kashmir for oppression purposes.

You should ask this question to Kashmiris. But for that let's give them internet access, shall we?

 

[Kashmirilion]

Well said

Kashmir will be an independent state (Insha'Allah).

Kashmir banega Pakistan in Sha Allah.

 

[Bewal Express]

Independence of Kashmir (or merger with AJK) and the fall of Israel are two delusional Pakistani dreams that will forever remain......dreams.

I just hope our future generations make peace with reality and move on.

Wasn't the creation of the Zionist state someone's dream? Wasn't the creation of all empires someone's dream. The illiteracy of a so called Doctor is mind boggling.

 

[Mamoon]

Wasn't the creation of the Zionist state someone's dream? Wasn't the creation of all empires someone's dream. The illiteracy of a so called Doctor is mind boggling.

Kashmir will never become independent or part of Pakistan.

Israel will never fall.

Make peace with it.

 

[Mamoon]

Decide, last time I checked Imran Khan was the Zionist Jew Israeli jasoos (spy)! Already changed the narrative, huh?!

You lot probably said the same thing in 1940s about Pakistan

Time will tell. At one point Nazis were the bosses of Europe, they conquered the bejesus out of France within 45 minutes. And we all know their end very well.

So you never know, both India and Israel have entered the fascist society territory.

I don't know Mamoon, dreams sometimes become true

Situation was different in 1940s. The crown was bankrupt because of the Second World War and they had no choice but to withdraw from India.

Kashmir will remain under Indian rule unless the Indian economy collapses which is not going to happen.

You can keep dreaming of the day where Kashmir is free from India’s rule, but that dream will never be realized.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

People talk about the UN Security Council resolutions as if they only apply to India. If you care so much about the UN resolutions then apply step one of it and withdraw any non Kashmiri (and their descendants) who migrated to the Pakistani side of Kashmir post 1947 (yep good luck with that).

 

[Bewal Express]

Situation was different in 1940s. The crown was bankrupt because of the Second World War and they had no choice but to withdraw from India.

Kashmir will remain under Indian rule unless the Indian economy collapses which is not going to happen.

You can keep dreaming of the day where Kashmir is free from India’s rule, but that dream will never be realized.

The Victorians claimed that every thing there was to be invented had been invented, and here i am trying to educate some pindoo through a piece of metal.

 

[Bewal Express]

Kashmir will never become independent or part of Pakistan.

Israel will never fall.

Make peace with it.

And they said the Berlin Wall would never come down. The future is not linear and the parameters of your thinking reflect what has, not what will. The Western Worod is on its last legs, the Chinese will be the ascendency soon and their population will halve by the ending of century. They too will fall. And I am not even accounting for unknown unknowns. I know these concepts are beyond comprehension so stick to Billo and Maryam

 

[Mamoon]

The Victorians claimed that every thing there was to be invented had been invented, and here i am trying to educate some pindoo through a piece of metal.

I repeat - this delusional dream will never be realized. You are free to believe what you want.

If you want to have the last word, the stage is yours.

 

[Bewal Express]

I repeat - this delusional dream will never be realized. You are free to believe what you want.

If you want to have the last word, the stage is yours.

And I repeat that you are as dumb as they come and History quite literally shows it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Kashmir will never become independent or part of Pakistan.

Israel will never fall.

Make peace with it.

What are this weekends lottery numbers?

No people have continiously lived under occupation, in the end the people get freedom.

Israel is not recoginised by Pakistan, its an outpost of the west. The crusaders also thought the same but in the end the people who are actually from the area gain control. Of course they might take it back again later but this is how the world works.

Imran Khan is a great man to reguarly bring up the oppression of Kashmiris.

If you enjoy their treatment under Indian occupation and fail to condemn this it says more about you than anything else.

 

[Itachi]

The reason why IK is never taken seriously (as apparent in AL Jazeera interview questioning his integrity), he brings Muslim in the picture. This will always be a double edged sword for IK. he wants to get the sympathy for Muslim world but it opens the pandoras box of relationship with China.

You want Muslim world to stand with you in your agenda of Kashmir yet, you will support china when it comes to their treatment (for your own benefit).

He has been exposed by al Jazeera long ago and that one interview has done enough damage even that he HAS to ASK Muslim world to be with him with futile attempts.

 

[King_Kohli]

Living in parallel world.

 

[Mamoon]

I don’t feel good or bad about what is happening in Kashmir just like I don’t feel anything about what is happening in Palestine and elsewhere.

People are only concerned with what happens within their countries. Life moves on and no one really cares.

Some fakes shed tears on social media and over the Internet but their real lives are not impacted one bit.

People on this forum who cry about Kashmir and Palestine on daily basis do nothing in their real lives to instigate change.

Besides, India is not an occupying force in Kashmir. Kashmir belongs to India legally based on the document of accession.

It doesn’t matter what the majority of Kashmiris want, they don’t get to make the choice.

In practical terms, people don’t have a choice anyway. If people of Sindh decide that they want independence from Pakistan, will their wish he granted? Of course not. It will not be against the interests of the country to let go of its province.

Similarly, it is not in India’s interests either and it can only happen if India collapses in the centre, which is obviously never going to happen.

Historical context and looking at crusades etc. means nothing. We are living in nation-state system now.

There are no empires anymore and the concept of diplomacy and international relations has completely evolved.

People who keep talking about the fall of empires in history and use that to suggest that Kashmir will also become independent eventually and Israel will fall are living in cloud cuckoo land.

 

[guna]

For starters, Pak won't send a million soldiers to Kashmir for oppression purposes.

You should ask this question to Kashmiris. But for that let's give them internet access, shall we?

If Kashmiris stop separatist movement, they will get internet and better economy and better job opportunities. Something that Pakistan can never give them. Pakistan can never compete with India.

 

[Bigboii]

Kashmiri people

MOVE ON!
I know its sad but it is the hold hard truth

 

[Mamoon]

The idea that people should always get what they want is idealistic. It doesn’t exist in reality.

People are never truly free. Only the nation state is.

The people of Lahore are only free as long as they accept that they are part of Pakistan.

If tomorrow they demand independence and a creation of an independent, sovereign state in Lahore, the federal government of Pakistan will never surrender to their wish, and they will no longer be free.

They can then consider Pakistan an occupying force but it will not change anything. That is the reality of the world we live in.

You are only free as long as comply with your country. Kashmir will also be free and their future generations will prosper if they make peace with reality and acknowledge that they are part of India and not a sovereign country.

You can keep your identity and still be a part of the centre. South India is completely alien to other parts of India but it is still India.

Kashmir is an overpopulated valley and it cannot be self-sufficient. They need to think about their future generations and stop being emotional.

If they accept that they are part of India, they will thrive. If they demand independence, they will suffer forever.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don’t feel good or bad about what is happening in Kashmir just like I don’t feel anything about what is happening in Palestine and elsewhere.

People are only concerned with what happens within their countries. Life moves on and no one really cares.

Some fakes shed tears on social media and over the Internet but their real lives are not impacted one bit.

People on this forum who cry about Kashmir and Palestine on daily basis do nothing in their real lives to instigate change.

Besides, India is not an occupying force in Kashmir. Kashmir belongs to India legally based on the document of accession.

It doesn’t matter what the majority of Kashmiris want, they don’t get to make the choice.

In practical terms, people don’t have a choice anyway. If people of Sindh decide that they want independence from Pakistan, will their wish he granted? Of course not. It will not be against the interests of the country to let go of its province.

Similarly, it is not in India’s interests either and it can only happen if India collapses in the centre, which is obviously never going to happen.

Historical context and looking at crusades etc. means nothing. We are living in nation-state system now.

There are no empires anymore and the concept of diplomacy and international relations has completely evolved.

People who keep talking about the fall of empires in history and use that to suggest that Kashmir will also become independent eventually and Israel will fall are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Kashmir is occupied under Internation law. If it belongs to India, why is a nation which so much bigger in land mass and population allowing a small weak nation, as you percieve Pakistan to occupy their land?

If you dont feel empathy towards Kashmiris or any humans in around the world, you should really think about changing your career.

Many people around the world inc white westerners support Kashmiris with funding and by raising their voices, every little helps.

You support India in almost all aspects. Trying moving to Mumbai and walking up to Shiv Sena telling them you're Muslim, they wont have hot ladoos waiting for you. The people you blindly support hate you. lol

 

[mazkhan]

Mamoon with his ever pessimistic attitude

 

[guna]

Kashmir is occupied under Internation law. If it belongs to India, why is a nation which so much bigger in land mass and population allowing a small weak nation, as you percieve Pakistan to occupy their land?

If you dont feel empathy towards Kashmiris or any humans in around the world, you should really think about changing your career.

Many people around the world inc white westerners support Kashmiris with funding and by raising their voices, every little helps.

You support India in almost all aspects. Trying moving to Mumbai and walking up to Shiv Sena telling them you're Muslim, they wont have hot ladoos waiting for you. The people you blindly support hate you. lol

Easy for you to say sitting in London. Why do you want kashmiri future generations waste their time fighting India when they can easily join India and reap the economic rewards? Kashmir can still remain Kashmiri just like how Gujarat is still Gujarati and Punjab is still Punjabi even after 73 years of their creation.

 

[Rajdeep]

Imran Khan has no say regarding Kashmir, never had or never will. It is an Indian union territory ruled out of New Delhi. Being an intelligent man I am sure he realizes it too and these are just political statements to keep his masses happy.

 

[Bigboii]

I don’t feel good or bad about what is happening in Kashmir just like I don’t feel anything about what is happening in Palestine and elsewhere.

People are only concerned with what happens within their countries. Life moves on and no one really cares.

Some fakes shed tears on social media and over the Internet but their real lives are not impacted one bit.

People on this forum who cry about Kashmir and Palestine on daily basis do nothing in their real lives to instigate change.

Besides, India is not an occupying force in Kashmir. Kashmir belongs to India legally based on the document of accession.

It doesn’t matter what the majority of Kashmiris want, they don’t get to make the choice.

In practical terms, people don’t have a choice anyway. If people of Sindh decide that they want independence from Pakistan, will their wish he granted? Of course not. It will not be against the interests of the country to let go of its province.

Similarly, it is not in India’s interests either and it can only happen if India collapses in the centre, which is obviously never going to happen.

Historical context and looking at crusades etc. means nothing. We are living in nation-state system now.

There are no empires anymore and the concept of diplomacy and international relations has completely evolved.

People who keep talking about the fall of empires in history and use that to suggest that Kashmir will also become independent eventually and Israel will fall are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Nation-States have been around for a while (if we look in Europe)
Lots of Disputed lands have changed hands over the years but in Nuclear age I don't know even if that's possible

but nation states doesn't exactly mean sure fire stability in terms of disputed lands sure it's better than Empires in that respect but you can't completely say that disputed lands can't change hands

If you would have said Nation states on top of Nuclear age means that disputed territories changing hands is unlikely than I would have completely agreed

 

[KingKhanWC]

Easy for you to say sitting in London. Why do you want kashmiri future generations waste their time fighting India when they can easily join India and reap the economic rewards? Kashmir can still remain Kashmiri just like how Gujarat is still Gujarati and Punjab is still Punjabi even after 73 years of their creation.

Would you join a nation which has brutally raped, tortured and murdered many of your friends, family or neighbours? We have a few Kashmiris on here who live in IOK, they would rather die than join with India.

Perhaps if India wasnt so brutal towards them.

Btw it's Birmingham not London

 

[guna]

Would you join a nation which has brutally raped, tortured and murdered many of your friends, family or neighbours? We have a few Kashmiris on here who live in IOK, they would rather die than join with India.

Perhaps if India wasnt so brutal towards them.

Btw it's Birmingham not London

Past is past. Atrocities may have happened on both sides. You have to be smart and think of future generations. Pakistan is a struggling country with excess population and teetering economy and there is no hope in sight. Why do you want more people to stretch the bread even thinner?

If they can be with India, their future generations can at least hope to live better lives.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Past is past. Atrocities may have happened on both sides. You have to be smart and think of future generations. Pakistan is a struggling country with excess population and teetering economy and there is no hope in sight. Why do you want more people to stretch the bread even thinner?

If they can be with India, their future generations can at least hope to live better lives.

Its not the past, the abuse is ongoing, dont read RSS news leaflets, see real news.

Pakistan is becoming stronger each day, again read economic times of the west not RSS maths.

Not sure what you dont understand? They do not want to be with India and your arguments are not arguments but false delusions.

 

[guna]

Its not the past, the abuse is ongoing, dont read RSS news leaflets, see real news.

Pakistan is becoming stronger each day, again read economic times of the west not RSS maths.

Not sure what you dont understand? They do not want to be with India and your arguments are not arguments but false delusions.

Why do they not want to be with India? What is so bad about it? Don't tell me it is religious divide.

 

[Bigboii]

Past is past. Atrocities may have happened on both sides. You have to be smart and think of future generations. Pakistan is a struggling country with excess population and teetering economy and there is no hope in sight. Why do you want more people to stretch the bread even thinner?

If they can be with India, their future generations can at least hope to live better lives.

How can you say that? Too much ZEE news it seems

I am hopeful for the country (and I am no PTI supporter imagine some guy from the opposition being hopeful about the country)
I am hopeful because freedom and democracy is slowly and surely gaining strength in the country
that's the basis of any good economy snd society and Pak is working towards that

Also Excess population rich coming from an Indian
I can assure you that this problem is MUCH better than India's population problem

 

[Hornbill]

Imran should ask UN to deploy peace keeping force in pakistan administrated kashmir and put pressure on india do the same in indian administrated kashmir, such a move will get world wide support and india will be left with no other option

 

[guna]

How can you say that? Too much ZEE news it seems

I am hopeful for the country (and I am no PTI supporter imagine some guy from the opposition being hopeful about the country)
I am hopeful because freedom and democracy is slowly and surely gaining strength in the country
that's the basis of any good economy snd society and Pak is working towards that

Also Excess population rich coming from an Indian
I can assure you that this problem is MUCH better than India's population problem

If you believe that some magic is going to happen for Pakistan, then you can believe that. But the fact is that Kashmir will have better future with India.

 

[Bigboii]

If you believe that some magic is going to happen for Pakistan, then you can believe that. But the fact is that Kashmir will have better future with India.

That's your opinion not facts...
If we were in 60s, 50s when the economy was booming I would have said Kashmir is better of in Pakistan cause India will remain a socialist country with no FI and I would have been wrong (if you are smart you'll get my point)
No one knows the future but the indicators (that I mentioned) suggest if the way things are going in the long run Pak will be in a better situation than it is at right now

but it's pointless convo I already believe Kashmir should stay with India I had a problem with your chest thumping which was stupid as hell which people prove on a daily basis...

 

[Giannis]

People talk about the UN Security Council resolutions as if they only apply to India. If you care so much about the UN resolutions then apply step one of it and withdraw any non Kashmiri (and their descendants) who migrated to the Pakistani side of Kashmir post 1947 (yep good luck with that).

You guys need to stop repeating fake news, I don't know where indians keep getting the "facts" that "non-Kashmiris" were settled in AJK, before you guys claim Kashmir how about you learn about its history and the demography of the former princely state. It's ridiculous how you guys fall for state propaganda and don't bother verify what you've been fed.

 

[Giannis]

If you believe that some magic is going to happen for Pakistan, then you can believe that. But the fact is that Kashmir will have better future with India.

Not really, these past 74 years attest to that. Historically Kashmir trade routes, geography and rivers all flowed through west Punjab; Kashmir has always had strong ties with Peshawar and Lahore, so it would prosper if those same routes were reopened and freedom of movement between these regions was restored as was the case before 1947.

 

[Giannis]

That's your opinion not facts...
If we were in 60s, 50s when the economy was booming I would have said Kashmir is better of in Pakistan cause India will remain a socialist country with no FI and I would have been wrong (if you are smart you'll get my point)
No one knows the future but the indicators (that I mentioned) suggest if the way things are going in the long run Pak will be in a better situation than it is at right now

but it's pointless convo I already believe Kashmir should stay with India I had a problem with your chest thumping which was stupid as hell which people prove on a daily basis...

Why should it stay with India and not be independent? Should Nepal and Bhutan also merge with India? Afterall Nepal holds significance in Hindu mythology as well.

 

[Bigboii]

Why should it stay with India and not be independent? Should Nepal and Bhutan also merge with India? Afterall Nepal holds significance in Hindu mythology as well.

I don't care what Kashmir wants to be, they and India have to figure it out for themselves
but I am dead sure we should stop wasting our time and precious resources trying to fulfil deewane ka khwaab

WE CAN'T LIBERTE KASHMIR! accept it and focus on our domestic issues

 

[Giannis]

I don't care what Kashmir wants to be, they and India have to figure it out for themselves
but I am dead sure we should stop wasting our time and precious resources trying to fulfil deewane ka khwaab

WE CAN'T LIBERTE KASHMIR! accept it and focus on our domestic issues

You don't care so you don't have an opinion however you said "I believe it should stay with India", you're literally picking a side. It's not about "Wasting our resources", for a lot of Pakistanis (maybe not you) Kashmiris are us and therefore it is not seen as "wasting resources on others" when we see themselves as a part of Pakistan, you can disagree all you want. Also Kashmir brings a lot to the table, and Pakistan isn't even wasting its resources it's not like they're fighting a war right now, the only thing Pakistan is doing for Kashmir is raising awareness at international forums other than that when has Pakistan sent aid to people in IoK, or when has Pakistan allowed millions of Kashmiri refugees in .We've done less for Kashmiris than America has done for Cubans and Israelis and yet we have more of a claim and more of a connection to Kashmir.

 

[Technics 1210]

Independence of Kashmir (or merger with AJK) and the fall of Israel are two delusional Pakistani dreams that will forever remain......dreams.

I just hope our future generations make peace with reality and move on.

Why didn't India take control of Kashmir in 71?

Your Bharat army couldn't strike on Kashmir when Pakistan army was depealted and at its weakest in 71. Speak up.

Why?

Isreal is neither here nor there; just a reaction from you cos Faheem score a half century today.

 

[Technics 1210]

If 3 tweets wasn't of enough for India, a yorker from IK sealed their fate. Love it.

 

[rockyboy2018]

Pakistan should drop atom bombs in India and that is the only way to get occupied Kashmir tough solution but very workable.

 

[Bewal Express]

Pakistan should drop atom bombs in India and that is the only way to get occupied Kashmir tough solution but very workable.

Killing innocent Indians isn't a solution, it's what they do in Kashmir. IA it will come and it will come when the Inds realise that oppression of people that don't want to be with you makes no economic sense

 

[guna]

Killing innocent Indians isn't a solution, it's what they do in Kashmir. IA it will come and it will come when the Inds realise that oppression of people that don't want to be with you makes no economic sense

Just a few more centuries and the change might come eventually.

 

[Mamoon]

Why didn't India take control of Kashmir in 71?

Your Bharat army couldn't strike on Kashmir when Pakistan army was depealted and at its weakest in 71. Speak up.

Why?

Isreal is neither here nor there; just a reaction from you cos Faheem score a half century today.

India is smart enough to understand that it cannot “conquer” AJK. It is not some PC game and neither are we living in BCE where territories could be conquered with military might.

Helping East Pakistan gain independence and forcing a Pakistani general to sign the instrument of surrender while taking 90,000+ Pakistanis soldiers as POWs was enough humiliation to last for a lifetime.

Unfortunately, on the other hand, Pakistan took several thrashings to realize that it cannot simply wage a war and march towards J&K and win it by force.

It tried in 1965 and 1999 and surrendered both times. 1965 in particular was funny because when we attacked Kashmir, India, knowing that we don’t have the numbers to fight on two fronts, attacked Lahore.

As a result, we forgot about Kashmir and ran back to save Lahore, which we now celebrate as “defense day” and spend crores of rupees every year in celebrations

In reality, 1965 was just an exhibition of a miscalculated adventure by Pakistani forces who overestimated themselves and not the for the last time.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

India is smart enough to understand that it cannot “conquer” AJK. It is not some PC game and neither are we living in BCE where territories could be conquered with military might.

Helping East Pakistan gain independence and forcing a Pakistani general to sign the instrument of surrender while taking 90,000+ Pakistanis soldiers as POWs was enough humiliation to last for a lifetime.

Unfortunately, on the other hand, Pakistan took several thrashings to realize that it cannot simply wage a war and march towards J&K and win it by force.

It tried in 1965 and 1999 and surrendered both times. 1965 in particular was funny because when we attacked Kashmir, India, knowing that we don’t have the numbers to fight on two fronts, attacked Lahore.

As a result, we forgot about Kashmir and ran back to save Lahore, which we now celebrate as “defense day” and spend crores of rupees every year in celebrations

In reality, 1965 was just an exhibition of a miscalculated adventure by Pakistani forces who overestimated themselves and not the for the last time.

History lessions straight from the writers of this meme: "cHiNa hasn't built anything in InDiAn territory". Despite satellite images

Write more lies, let it all out

 

[Lonewarrior]

India is smart enough to understand that it cannot “conquer” AJK. It is not some PC game and neither are we living in BCE where territories could be conquered with military might.

Helping East Pakistan gain independence and forcing a Pakistani general to sign the instrument of surrender while taking 90,000+ Pakistanis soldiers as POWs was enough humiliation to last for a lifetime.

Unfortunately, on the other hand, Pakistan took several thrashings to realize that it cannot simply wage a war and march towards J&K and win it by force.

It tried in 1965 and 1999 and surrendered both times. 1965 in particular was funny because when we attacked Kashmir, India, knowing that we don’t have the numbers to fight on two fronts, attacked Lahore.

As a result, we forgot about Kashmir and ran back to save Lahore, which we now celebrate as “defense day” and spend crores of rupees every year in celebrations

In reality, 1965 was just an exhibition of a miscalculated adventure by Pakistani forces who overestimated themselves and not the for the last time.

Lol at 90k from a wanna be indian .....
atleast try to learn some history from neutral sources .....

 

[Technics 1210]

India is smart enough to understand that it cannot “conquer” AJK.

There it is.

I would also add your army is neither brave nor powerful enough too.

Pakistan Zindabad.

Thanks for playing.

 

[Technics 1210]

Lol at 90k from a wanna be indian .....
atleast try to learn some history from neutral sources .....

He has already admitted it was 'smart' for his Indian army not to claim the remaining stake of Kashmir. Smart because his Indian army knew they couldn't.

Any military strategist will tell you the best time to strike your enemy is when they are at their weakest. Pak army were depleated and at their weakest in 71.

The rest is just gravy. At least Pakistani army made moves, which is more than what Bharat army have ever done.

Indian army is just noise. Lost territory to Pakistan, lost terrority to China.

Time for tea.

 

[Itachi]

You don't care so you don't have an opinion however you said "I believe it should stay with India", you're literally picking a side. It's not about "Wasting our resources", for a lot of Pakistanis (maybe not you) Kashmiris are us and therefore it is not seen as "wasting resources on others" when we see themselves as a part of Pakistan, you can disagree all you want. Also Kashmir brings a lot to the table, and Pakistan isn't even wasting its resources it's not like they're fighting a war right now, the only thing Pakistan is doing for Kashmir is raising awareness at international forums other than that when has Pakistan sent aid to people in IoK, or when has Pakistan allowed millions of Kashmiri refugees in .We've done less for Kashmiris than America has done for Cubans and Israelis and yet we have more of a claim and more of a connection to Kashmir.

Do you accept Israel as a nation?

 

[Giannis]

Do you accept Israel as a nation?

As a state? No, it's Palestinian land. Israelites as a tribe of people? Yes. I don't what the relevance this is to Kashmir other than the fact that both Palestine and Kashmir are occupied lands and victims of settler colonialism.

 

[JimmyGetsBuckets]

I dont understand why Indians keep saying people in AJK dont like Pakistan. If you had a vote in Azad Kashmir I guarantee you atleast 90% would join pakistan. In AJK we dont have curfews or soldiers monitoring 24/7.

 

[PakLFC]

I don't see why so many Pakistanis are upset over IK's comments. For the Kashmiris oppression by Indian's or Pakistanis is exactly the same thing. Kashmir belongs to the Kashmiris so let them decide. One thing guaranteed is they will never choose India and they know it.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Why will Kashmiris want to join Pakistan? What can Pakistan offer Kashmiris when Pakistan itself is struggling with so many issues and always on the brink.

Then hold a referendum in the Valley, with only two choices being stay with India or join Pakistan. What a way to embarrass Pakistan, if the majority Muslim Kashmir valley chooses to stay with India. And Kashmiris can no longer complain about not being given a referendum.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The reason why IK is never taken seriously (as apparent in AL Jazeera interview questioning his integrity), he brings Muslim in the picture. This will always be a double edged sword for IK. he wants to get the sympathy for Muslim world but it opens the pandoras box of relationship with China.

You want Muslim world to stand with you in your agenda of Kashmir yet, you will support china when it comes to their treatment (for your own benefit).

He has been exposed by al Jazeera long ago and that one interview has done enough damage even that he HAS to ASK Muslim world to be with him with futile attempts.

You are assuming he is actually expecting other Muslim countries to do anything. He is raising the issue as the people of Pakistan expect their leaders to raise it. PPP and PML N also raised the Kashmir issue. It does not matter who the PM is.

And not just China, but also Myanmar, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Philippines are oppressing Muslims, but Pakistan does not raise any issue.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Kashmir will never become independent or part of Pakistan.

Israel will never fall.

Make peace with it.

When you combine the population of Arabs in Israel, West Bank, and Gaza, its close to 50%. Israel wont annex gaza, but out of greed they could annex the West Bank. That would bring the Arab population close to 40%. Its possible that they could out populate the Jews. That would be Israel falling.

Lebanese Christians did the same thing. They could have a 80% Christian country, however out of greed they annexed more Muslim areas from Syria, and reduced their population to 60%. Today Muslims are the majority in Lebanon.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Kashmiri people

MOVE ON!
I know its sad but it is the hold hard truth

I think if they could get max autonomy for the valley, something like Aland Islands (Swedish part of Finland) or South Tyrol (German part of Italy), they would take it.

Right now they have like 600k troops in the Valley oppressing them, and a Hindutva government in New Delhi that believes the 3% of Kashmiri Pandits should do raj on the 97 % Kashmiri Muslims.

 

[Mamoon]

When you combine the population of Arabs in Israel, West Bank, and Gaza, its close to 50%. Israel wont annex gaza, but out of greed they could annex the West Bank. That would bring the Arab population close to 40%. Its possible that they could out populate the Jews. That would be Israel falling.

Lebanese Christians did the same thing. They could have a 80% Christian country, however out of greed they annexed more Muslim areas from Syria, and reduced their population to 60%. Today Muslims are the majority in Lebanon.

The Jews have made greater contribution to the world than the entire Muslim population over the last 200 years in spite of being outnumbered by a massive margin.

They might be outnumbered in the future but they are very smart and hardworking people. Israel will continue to thrive as an advance nation and will continue to contribute greatly to science and tech while Pakistanis would be daydreaming about their downfall.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The Jews have made greater contribution to the world than the entire Muslim population over the last 200 years in spite of being outnumbered by a massive margin.

They have also made a greater contribution to the world than Africans. Same way you can say that whites have made a greater contribution to the world than Muslims, or Hindus, or Africans. Not sure how that would help them if they are outnumbered.

They might be outnumbered in the future but they are very smart and hardworking people. Israel will continue to thrive as an advance nation and will continue to contribute greatly to science and tech while Pakistanis would be daydreaming about their downfall.

If they are outnumbered whats to stop the people voting to rename Israel to Palestine? Would that not be a downfall of Israel? And even if they dont rename it, do you really think Pakistanis would hate Israel if it had a Muslim majority?

its like the other African countries hated South Africa, while it was run by whites, but now no one has any hate for it.

 

[Mamoon]

They have also made a greater contribution to the world than Africans. Same way you can say that whites have made a greater contribution to the world than Muslims, or Hindus, or Africans. Not sure how that would help them if they are outnumbered.

Sure, but in this context we are talking about Jews getting outnumbered by Muslims, not Hindus or Africans.

The Arab Muslims can outnumber Jews but they cannot dominate them. The Jews will still outshine them because of their intelligence and work ethic.

If they are outnumbered whats to stop the people voting to rename Israel to Palestine? Would that not be a downfall of Israel? And even if they dont rename it, do you really think Pakistanis would hate Israel if it had a Muslim majority?

its like the other African countries hated South Africa, while it was run by whites, but now no one has any hate for it.

Who cares who Pakistanis hate? Pakistan is an irrelevant country with no global importance. It is surviving on loans and handouts.

Israel is not interested in the validation of Pakistan when the major and influential players in the ME (KSA) as well as the likes of India are on their side.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Sure, but in this context we are talking about Jews getting outnumbered by Muslims, not Hindus or Africans.

The Arab Muslims can outnumber Jews but they cannot dominate them. The Jews will still outshine them because of their intelligence and work ethic.

In a democracy its not intelligence or work ethics that matters, its a numbers game. If Israel remains a democracy with an Arab Muslim majority, Arab Muslims can make their life difficult.


Its like the white South Afrikaners leaving South Africa. And they are indeed dominated by the black South Africans, even though they have more contributions then them.

This is the best option for the Palestinians. They cant beat Israel any other way. Poor people usually have more children than rich ones.