Lack of discipline in the Pakistani fast bowling attack

[AlphaFighter]

I find it funny and bizzare when our ex pundits keep talking about the fact that Pakistan has a lethal fast bowling attack purely on the basis that all 4 bowlers can touch 140 km/hr.

On the contrary only Amir is world class or semi world class in this attack.

The rest i.e. Sami, Wahab and Irfan are just not disciplined enough. I was contrasting their bowling with the likes of Nehra, Bhumrah, Pandya and as much as we like to make fun of the Indian bowling attack, they are much more disciplined than the Pakistani pace attack, they understand their limitations and stay within those limitations, they bowl to the fields, plans set by Dhoni, if the pitch isn't offering anything then unlike the Pakistani pace attack of Wahab, Irfan instead of bowling wildly i.e. outstide off stump, bouncers for the sake of bouncers, giving the batsman width, they do the next best thing i.e. keep things tight, create dot balls, mix up the pace.

The amount of 4's and 6's the likes of Sami, Wahab and Irfan keep leaking is a huge problem and creates problems for Amir to keep sustaining the pressure.

I find it even more unacceptable given that these guys have all been under the tutellage of Waqar Younis for almost 2 years now and by now should have understood what to do in different types of pitches, match situations.

Where does the problem lie exactly?

1) Are the plans being set in the dressing room by coach and captain not good enough?

2) Is the captain not good enough to come up with smart field settings and bowling plans?

3) Are the bowlers not listening to the coach and captain?

This pace attack is only good on paper, it has not delivered anything of note for quite a long time now. Somewhere heads must roll.

 

[in_cutter]

Maybe they are simply not good enough?

 

[pakistani pride]

I am most surprized at the lines and lenghts irfan and wahab bowl. Their stock delivery is the short ball. 4 out of 6 balls in an over are short bowls. Both should be dropped.

 

[Mamoon]

The fact is that Amir is the only good pacer we have at the moment, everyone else is mediocre.

We don't know Asif's level yet, so cannot comment, but given how Amir has made a comeback and the fact that Butt is piling up the runs in domestic cricket, it is safe to say that class has remained intact in Asif's case as well.

About time Pakistani fans and ex-players stop this chest thumping over our feared pace attack. They make it sound as if we have our own West Indies 70's quartet, but Wahab, Irfan, Junaid, Sami, Rahat etc. are all poverty options, and deeply mediocre most of the times, while people continue to sing their songs based on 1-2 fluke spells every now and then.

 

[#GreenRoars]

They need to learn how to use brain.

 

[spade]

I think it is a fair observation by the OP. Pakistani's bowling attack is way overrated except Amir no one else has the basic sense to bowl tightly irfan, wahab and sami are all very limited and one dimensional bowlers, they either pitch the ball short or too full can't find the right length and are extremely poor fielders, just because they can bowl quick doesn't make them effective bowlers. Our bowlers are limited in terms of pace but are very effective and they bowl to a plan laid down by the Captain. Ashwin and Jadeja are very good in helpful conditions.
Similarly, to be fair our batting is also way overrated its down to Virat and Dhoni who invariably sees the team home, if it weren't for them then this side would lose most of their games when the pressure is on. Once Dhoni retires we will become a very ordinary side mark my words.

 

[90MPH]

Wahab is not good enough.

Get him out and let him focus on Tests only.

Otherwise it looks 1 dimensional, at least on these tracks without quality spinners.

 

[Asim2Good]

while watching match last night and hearing commentators and praising Pak bowlers, I was thinking "If commentators are watching same match as I am", even when about 35 runs were needed, and they were talking about one wicket here will make things interesting.
Pak bowlers are over hyped for long long time, they just run in and bowl without any plan, without any situation and they certainly dont bowl according to field.

 

[Boycottisno2]

Need to drop Wahab and Irfan ...... and give NZ and Aussies an attack by spinners

 

[New Yorker]

I think it is a fair observation by the OP. Pakistani's bowling attack is way overrated except Amir no one else has the basic sense to bowl tightly irfan, wahab and sami are all very limited and one dimensional bowlers, they either pitch the ball short or too full can't find the right length and are extremely poor fielders, just because they can bowl quick doesn't make them effective bowlers. Our bowlers are limited in terms of pace but are very effective and they bowl to a plan laid down by the Captain. Ashwin and Jadeja are very good in helpful conditions.
Similarly, to be fair our batting is also way overrated its down to Virat and Dhoni who invariably sees the team home, if it weren't for them then this side would lose most of their games when the pressure is on. Once Dhoni retires we will become a very ordinary side mark my words.

Sshhh. Pace is pace yaar and Wahab is the best bowler in Asia. So what he doesn't take wickets? He looks angry and shows that he is not afraid. Isn't that what counts? Oh and do you remember that spell he bowled against Watson?

 

[Atif]

When you have bowling coach such as Azhar Mahmood, you won't see any improvements!


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[dauntless]

They are not skilled enough. only pace, apart from sami who has skills but not brain others are just rubbish they can't even bowl 6 balls at one mark.This is just myth and they are overhyped by former players

 

[Rightarmfast]

They are hyped. Umesh and Aaron can bowl at similar pace, but there's a reason why they are not in the Indian team. Pakistan doesnt take these hard steps with their players.

 

[New Yorker]

When you have bowling coach such as Azhar Mahmood, you won't see any improvements!


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Waqar has been better?

 

[Sandeep]

Sadly, the 3 guys have great potential but have no brains. I've seen Wahab and Sami bowl some lethal spells but often wondered why they go missing. Why would any 'sane' pace bowler bowl short, wide and fast on yesterday's wicket? Especially after having seen Indian bowlers successfully bowling the cutters. Imagine someone like Wahab/Sami mix up 145+ and 110 kph cutters. The batsmen would have no clue..

Sami, to his credit, did get a couple of wickets through sheer pace.. Wahab was ridiculous though. Bad bowling.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

We should try new fast bowlers who are pacy and have less than 7.50 economy rates in domestic T20s, after the WC.

 

[Atif]

Waqar has been better?

No need for Azhar when we already have Waqar. The state PCB is in, is pathetic.


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[joly]

They don't have potential, Aaron is easily the quickest of all the Asian bowlers by a country mile and he was dropped by Indian team, Bumrah who is only an avg 137kph kinda bowler is easily 12 kph slower than Aaron but he is doing well. Pace above 135k is enough if other things are fine,all Pakistani bowler bowled at avg of 138-140 kph in Asia cup, but couldn't buy a wicket, NOT ENOUGH

 

[Barragan]

They just don't know how to use that thing between their ears.

I mean, who else would be bowling at 87 clicks and short on a surface like the one yesterday?

Were they asleep, when their counterparts were taking pace off?

 

[ethan hunt]

Tbh no fast bowler has done well in the tournament reallly Steyn , rabada , everyone's getting smashed .
Thats where pakistan got the selection terribly wrong by not picking specialist spinners .

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Sami actually bowled better than both Wahab and Irfan and that says a lot about those two. Irfan in particular was pretty awful I thought. You may be a 7'1" giant but if you are going to bowl short and wide any international batsman will smash you. Not enough balls in the good length area.

 

[rhony]

True but you lost me at Pandya. He shouldn't even be listed in that conversation yet.

 

[Suleiman]

Right after the Bangladesh game there was a false sense of security with some Pak fans saying we have the "best bowling attack in the world" which is the biggest myth in the modern day and age.

We have one of the most overrated fast bowling attack, let alone the collective bowling attack.

Take Amir out, and what do you have?

A mid 30s trundler whose only saving grace is the height the ball is delivered from.

A mid 30s "big heart bowler" who is still living off the spell from more than a year ago and is all talk but gets spanked for plenty.

and a mid 30s chronic bottler who under even a hint of pressure loses his way completely but people go gaga if he takes a few wickets in a cluster once in a few months.

Spin attack is non existant, though there are prospects in domestics.

Don't think we have any good pace bowling prospects in domestics either. Maybe Ehsan Adil and Ahsan Ali, but none other than them. That's why Sami is playing, he outperformed the youngsta beauties in domestics, and after more than a decade the fact that he is still one of the best in the country shows our sorry state of affairs.

Few like to poke fun at the Indian bowling, but Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvneshwar and Nehra would walk right into our attack.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Sami actually bowled better than both Wahab and Irfan and that says a lot about those two. Irfan in particular was pretty awful I thought. You may be a 7'1" giant but if you are going to bowl short and wide any international batsman will smash you. Not enough balls in the good length area.

Irfan has lost that extra yard of pace. His Line and Length is all wrong. He gives too much width to the batsman now, at his peak in 2013 he would make the batsman play just on or a little outside off stump and bring the keeper and slip into play. But he would do this while averaging 142-148 km/hr, now he trundles in at 135-140 km/hr and Batsmen are more comfortable against him.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Irfan has lost that extra yard of pace. His Line and Length is all wrong. He gives too much width to the batsman now, at his peak in 2013 he would make the batsman play just on or a little outside off stump and bring the keeper and slip into play. But he would do this while averaging 142-148 km/hr, now he trundles in at 135-140 km/hr and Batsmen are more comfortable against him.

He's finished at the international level . This should be his last tournament/series in cricket. I think he still clocked around 147 kph but is just not skilled enough or accurate enough to make a difference. Wastes the new ball and releases the pressure created by Aamir.

 

[MMHS]

Sadly, the 3 guys have great potential but have no brains. I've seen Wahab and Sami bowl some lethal spells but often wondered why they go missing. Why would any 'sane' pace bowler bowl short, wide and fast on yesterday's wicket? Especially after having seen Indian bowlers successfully bowling the cutters. Imagine someone like Wahab/Sami mix up 145+ and 110 kph cutters. The batsmen would have no clue..

Sami, to his credit, did get a couple of wickets through sheer pace.. Wahab was ridiculous though. Bad bowling.

These are the "game tactics" that you learn in domestics - playing & practicing week over week. It's not like a software & you upload the file & program 'll start running.

Among MANY flaws, you 'll see the horrendous schedule of PAK's state of the art QA FC or List A tournament - teams play 4 day matches in a 6 day time slot for 4 months non stop (unless Eid break) & List A in alternate day schedule for 2/3 weeks. Now, after every FC/List A match, you need a day for travelling - where is the time for soul searching?

 

[Sandeep]

Few like to poke fun at the Indian bowling, but Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvneshwar and Nehra would walk right into our attack.

Please be kidding. You have an amazing set of bowlers, certainly the best in the world considering the decline of Steyn, but don't have a captain who can utilize them well. Dhoni, for all his flaws, at least uses his spin bowlers and medium fastmen well.

 

[Suleiman]

Please be kidding. You have an amazing set of bowlers, certainly the best in the world considering the decline of Steyn, but don't have a captain who can utilize them well. Dhoni, for all his flaws, at least uses his spin bowlers and medium fastmen well.

Are you serious? Other than Amir, who is amazing exactly?

We're still living on our bowling reputation of more than a decade ago. Our test bowling is decent especially if Asif returns and he is as good as before. Then Amir+Asif+Yasir will be world class.

But for LOIs we are very poor. Sami, Irfan, Wahab all are mediocre, with Sami and Wahab only looking good in patches.

Shami pre injury was better than current Sami, Irfan and Wahab. Nehra is also better than all 3.

And your spin attack of Jaddu + Ashwin trumps Afridi + Imad + whoever else atm.

P.S. I'm talking about the attack we're carrying in this tournament, idk what "gems" are being hidden in domestics.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Irfan looks gold when he bowls cutters in his 2nd spell, but he doesn't bowl enough of them.

 

[Saj]

Mohammad Amir is the most skilful pace bowler Pakistan has at the moment. The reason being he can bowl well at all batsmen, in all conditions and on all types of surfaces. I don't believe any of the other Pakistani pacers can do that, due to a lack of game awareness, lack of technical ability and a shortage of skills.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Right after the Bangladesh game there was a false sense of security with some Pak fans saying we have the "best bowling attack in the world" which is the biggest myth in the modern day and age.

We have one of the most overrated fast bowling attack, let alone the collective bowling attack.

Take Amir out, and what do you have?

A mid 30s trundler whose only saving grace is the height the ball is delivered from.

A mid 30s "big heart bowler" who is still living off the spell from more than a year ago and is all talk but gets spanked for plenty.

and a mid 30s chronic bottler who under even a hint of pressure loses his way completely but people go gaga if he takes a few wickets in a cluster once in a few months.

Spin attack is non existant, though there are prospects in domestics.

Don't think we have any good pace bowling prospects in domestics either. Maybe Ehsan Adil and Ahsan Ali, but none other than them. That's why Sami is playing, he outperformed the youngsta beauties in domestics, and after more than a decade the fact that he is still one of the best in the country shows our sorry state of affairs.

Few like to poke fun at the Indian bowling, but Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvneshwar and Nehra would walk right into our attack.

No they won't. Dhoni utilizing them well doesn't mean their pacers have suddenly become very good. Bumrah and Pandya were the reason we got to 118. Afridi just doesn't know how to manage these guys. Amir has a role as a strike-bowler. He is extremely skilled so he doesn't really require much tactics. Wahab and Irfan look completely lost in-terms of their role right now. I'm sure Wahab would even admit to not be of much use on these pitches himself. The team management should be smart enough to either devise a tactic around Wahab or not play him at all.

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[ar2020]

Irfan bowls one delivery with his natural angle and then for some reason changes his run up where it is less likely to get a wicket. He bowls at this angle for the rest of the match for goodness sake.

 

[farazaidi]

Except for Aamir, our bowling attack in general lack the basic gameplan for T20s. You dont bowl unplayable deliveries to get wickets, its all about building pressure with dot balls. Irfan and Wahab experiment too much for T20s. Afridi has been bowling rubbish for a while now, only his deluded fans would call him a bowler.

we're badly missing Hafeez and Ajmal who used to built pressure with dot balls.

 

[pakistancricketlover2016]

They need to learn how to use brain.

Lol how u can learn to use ur brain. U are smart or u aren't.

 

[ChachaCricket]

More lack of planning than discipline. Wahab and Irfan just run in and bowl like idiots. When your bowlers are as stupid as they are then you need a captain to guide them, unfortunately our captain is just as brainless.

 

[farazaidi]

More lack of planning than discipline. Wahab and Irfan just run in and bowl like idiots. When your bowlers are as stupid as they are then you need a captain to guide them, unfortunately our captain is more brainless.

Fixed !

 

[joly]

Lifeless today on a decent wicket ,Kiwi bowlers showed how to bowl on these wickets,Kiwis scored 30 too many

 

[in_cutter]

Lack of Discipline in the Pakistani fast bowling attack

[MENTION=5942]AlphaFighter[/MENTION] we have a couple of new Mohali chokers today..anything to say?

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

Our bowling attack is not formidable at all. Bowling above 140 kph don't make you formidable at all. Overrated attack. Screw the media for over hyping it.

 

[Belawal2014]

Pakistan has always been a better bowling team except when it counts?

Saw a tweet similar to this on Twitter, and I have to agree. More often than not, when it has mattered our bowling has let us down, in RECENT times..

Amir, Irfan, and Lalaland going for over 10+ rpo. Shameful.

 

[Mamoon]

Throughout the 150 years (and beyond) history of international cricket, few things have been as overrated and overhyped as Pakistan's bowling attack.

Yes it was fantastic for nearly three decades, but for the last 15 odd years, it has been ridiculously overhyped and has always let the team down in crunch moments.

We can laugh at the likes of Indian trundlers all we want, but they always turn it on when it matters unlike our phaaaast bowlers.

However, it won't change. People will continue to sugarcoat our bowling because it was once great.

 

[abc_to_xyz]

Pakistan had the WORST bowling attack for 2016 WC. Some delusional heads managed to think some how that this is the best pace attack. Batting line was much decent (was poorly managed however).

 

[Havok]

Throughout the 150 years (and beyond) history of international cricket, few things have been as overrated and overhyped as Pakistan's bowling attack.

Yes it was fantastic for nearly three decades, but for the last 15 odd years, it has been ridiculously overhyped and has always let the team down in crunch moments.

We can laugh at the likes of Indian trundlers all we want, but they always turn it on when it matters unlike our phaaaast bowlers.

However, it won't change. People will continue to sugarcoat our bowling because it was once great.

Indian bowling gets hate for no reason, they are very good at taking early wickets, something our ballers can't do.

 

[Abdullah]

This is where the hate is blinding [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. Today is not a day to have a go at the bowlers.
Even Bangladesh could have chased this down on this wicket against those bowlers.
England definitely
Windies definTely
India definitely
sA definitely as it was not a semi
Aus probably
SL 50 50

Not a day to have a go at the bowlers. Did u see how sharjeel was batting against Milne n Mitch?

 

[aslaisnomasla]

what format are we talking about ?..In test Indian bowling is garbage compared to pak and in ODI's theyre slightly better but there is a huge gap when it comes to T20 due to lack of good accurate spinners

 

[aslaisnomasla]

Throughout the 150 years (and beyond) history of international cricket, few things have been as overrated and overhyped as Pakistan's bowling attack.

Yes it was fantastic for nearly three decades, but for the last 15 odd years, it has been ridiculously overhyped and has always let the team down in crunch moments.

We can laugh at the likes of Indian trundlers all we want, but they always turn it on when it matters unlike our phaaaast bowlers.

However, it won't change. People will continue to sugarcoat our bowling because it was once great.

na karo ..bachay roo deingay

 

[Indian_Supporter]

Indian bowling gets hate for no reason, they are very good at taking early wickets, something our ballers can't do.

In flat decks our bowling attack is significantly behind Pakistan because of lack of pace from our bowlers. Batsmen mask it most of the time like they did when we whitewashed Australia in T20 series. But if there is little assistance either for spinners or seam bowlers, we utilize conditions better than Pakistani bowlers.

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[abc_to_xyz]

Throughout the 150 years (and beyond) history of international cricket, few things have been as overrated and overhyped as Pakistan's bowling attack.

Yes it was fantastic for nearly three decades, but for the last 15 odd years, it has been ridiculously overhyped and has always let the team down in crunch moments.

We can laugh at the likes of Indian trundlers all we want, but they always turn it on when it matters unlike our phaaaast bowlers.

However, it won't change. People will continue to sugarcoat our bowling because it was once great.

I won't say turning it on. Its about bowling correct deliveries with accuracy and according to an effective game-plan. India's lack of pace always give them control to do that, and Dhoni's planning-skills are second to none.

 

[abc_to_xyz]

In flat decks our bowling attack is significantly behind Pakistan because of lack of pace from our bowlers. Batsmen mask it most of the time like they did when we whitewashed Australia in T20 series. But if there is little assistance either for spinners or seam bowlers, we utilize conditions better than Pakistani bowlers.

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Its the accuracy that matters. Otherwise you'll see bowlers like Wahab throwing everywhere.
Pakistani *pace* was only good during the old-age of cricket where people had fears with no or initial-equipments for protection. In modern days, the discovery of gimmicks like reverse-swing and doosra made Pakistani attack look good for 10-15 years. All of this ended after 2003/04/05 where batsmen started to accept pace as the part of international cricket and began to counter-attack with ease. We are still stuck with past however.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

During crunch situations in major tournaments, Pak batting blows so badly that even their bowlers cannot save them from humiliation.

Its not because of lack of quality bowlers. Pak still has a pretty decent bowling attack. But the batsmen are minnow quality.

 

[The Last Of The Stars]

The current bowling attack is overrated. Amir is potentially good but he hasn't given us any match winning performances.

 

[Indiafan]

Have to say Sami has been outstanding last two matches. He doesn't get much love as he is not Amir

17 for 2 against India and today 23 for 2

 

[Indiafan]

I won't say turning it on. Its about bowling correct deliveries with accuracy and according to an effective game-plan. India's lack of pace always give them control to do that, and Dhoni's planning-skills are second to none.

Lol at India's lack of pace. Such false arrogance is the reason why you lose mostly

 

[abc_to_xyz]

Lol at India's lack of pace. Such false arrogance is the reason why you lose mostly

Okay, let me change it to express pace. Its not a bad thing if you're doing everything else fine. Pace is over-rated. We had Asif who could do similar magic (turning on) with lesser pace.

 

[abc_to_xyz]

Have to say Sami has been outstanding last two matches. He doesn't get much love as he is not Amir

17 for 2 against India and today 23 for 2

Been lucky, inside edges.
Though he did bowled well at the end today.

 

[Mamoon]

I won't say turning it on. Its about bowling correct deliveries with accuracy and according to an effective game-plan. India's lack of pace always give them control to do that, and Dhoni's planning-skills are second to none.

And our bowlers cannot bowl correct deliveries or execute any plan.

The likes of Wahab, Gul, Junaid, Irfan, Rahat etc. might be more talented than their Indian counterparts and more phaaast too, but the Indian bowlers wipe the floor with them when it comes to bowling intelligence.

In the last 15 odd years, Amir and Asif have been the only two bowlers who had both talent and brain.

 

[Mamoon]

This is where the hate is blinding [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. Today is not a day to have a go at the bowlers.
Even Bangladesh could have chased this down on this wicket against those bowlers.
England definitely
Windies definTely
India definitely
sA definitely as it was not a semi
Aus probably
SL 50 50

Not a day to have a go at the bowlers. Did u see how sharjeel was batting against Milne n Mitch?

We need to understand that regardless of the conditions, our batting lineup is not good enough to chase down 180-190 in a crunch match against a quality team like NZ.

We lost the match when our talented bowlers conceded 180 runs. The pitch was good, but our bowling was rubbish as well.

The lengths that Irfan, Amir and Afridi bowled were awful, and had nothing to do with the pitch.

 

[Abdullah]

We need to understand that regardless of the conditions, our batting lineup is not good enough to chase down 180-190 in a crunch match against a quality team like NZ.

We lost the match when our talented bowlers conceded 180 runs. The pitch was good, but our bowling was rubbish as well.

The lengths that Irfan, Amir and Afridi bowled were awful, and had nothing to do with the pitch.

It's t20 it happens.
Irfan bowled poor.
Amir gave 16 off his last over where he bowled 1 bad ball that went for six. Other balls were fine.Ross Taylor would have hit about 6 sixes from some of the balls that Pakistan got. Full tosses FFS.
First 3 overs were ok given the nature of the wicket. 1 edged four n a couple of plays n misses.
U can't deny that other teams would have got this. So we need to focus on the batting because other teams have moved on remember. Nobody would be blaming bowlers for going for 180 on that wicket,

 

[Abdullah]

U can't put the extra 25 runs ur batsmen should have got on the bowlers. That's not fair

 

[WC-Passion]

We need to understand that regardless of the conditions, our batting lineup is not good enough to chase down 180-190 in a crunch match against a quality team like NZ.

We lost the match when our talented bowlers conceded 180 runs. The pitch was good, but our bowling was rubbish as well.

The lengths that Irfan, Amir and Afridi bowled were awful, and had nothing to do with the pitch.

We need to try a completely different team over a course of a couple of series'.

Maybe something like:

Fakhar Zaman
Sami Aslam
Haris Sohail
Babar Azam
Umar Akmal
Amir Yamin
Hassan Ali
Zafar Gohar
Mohammad Asghar
Mohammad Amir

This way we can see how these "potential" players can do and what their game is like.

 

[Abdullah]

Ur expectations need looking at.
We don't say out bowler are good enough to make 25 runs for the batters. But compared to others it is very decent

 

[Mamoon]

It's t20 it happens.
Irfan bowled poor.
Amir gave 16 off his last over where he bowled 1 bad ball that went for six. Other balls were fine.Ross Taylor would have hit about 6 sixes from some of the balls that Pakistan got. Full tosses FFS.
First 3 overs were ok given the nature of the wicket. 1 edged four n a couple of plays n misses.
U can't deny that other teams would have got this. So we need to focus on the batting because other teams have moved on remember. Nobody would be blaming bowlers for going for 180 on that wicket,

Ross Taylor is 2/3 levels above any batsman we have in Limited Overs, and he is not even in the top 2 batsmen for NZ.

That shows the gulf of class between us and them.

 

[Mamoon]

We need to try a completely different team over a course of a couple of series'.

Maybe something like:

Fakhar Zaman
Sami Aslam
Haris Sohail
Babar Azam
Umar Akmal
Amir Yamin
Hassan Ali
Zafar Gohar
Mohammad Asghar
Mohammad Amir

This way we can see how these "potential" players can do and what their game is like.

One can almost be certain that majority of these players will be failures like others, that's the sad reality of Pakistan cricket.

 

[WC-Passion]

One can almost be certain that majority of these players will be failures like others, that's the sad reality of Pakistan cricket.

At least we can get rid of Malik-Hafeez-Afridi and start with the actual youngsters.

People will say what you said, but if we can give like 100+ matches to Shehzad who never was something big in the first place, what's the harm trying these guys out for some time?

 

[Belawal2014]

One can almost be certain that majority of these players will be failures like others, that's the sad reality of Pakistan cricket.

Which team do you think can be the least worst?

Maybe something like:

1. Babar Azam
2. Sharjeel Khan
3. Haris Sohail (drop anchor and play at a SR of 110-115)
4. Malik (C)
5. Umar Akmal
6. Rizwan (WK)
7. Imad wasim/Amir Yamin on a rotationary basis, depending on the pitch.
8. Amir
9. Hassan Ali
10. Sami for the time being.
11. Asghar

Though the above squad is highly unlikey, since Sarfi is most likely captain. For argument sake, he can replace Haris Sohail and carry the batting.

 

[Abdullah]

Ross Taylor is 2/3 levels above any batsman we have in Limited Overs, and he is not even in the top 2 batsmen for NZ.

That shows the gulf of class between us and them.

Yes . And that is where the focus should be here. Squarely on the batters

 

[Mamoon]

At least we can get rid of Malik-Hafeez-Afridi and start with the actual youngsters.

People will say what you said, but if we can give like 100+ matches to Shehzad who never was something big in the first place, what's the harm trying these guys out for some time?

Recently experiments have pretty much confirmed that Shehzad is the best opener in Pakistan. I'd stick with him and bring Butt to partner him.

 

[Madplayer]

Yesterdays pitch was a 200+ run pitch. I think the bowlers did well to restrict them to what they did. Pakistan's badluck that other teams dont have as useless batsmen as theirs. If NZ had to chase 180, they would have done it successfully in the 18th over regardless of the bowling attack.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Non-sense!


Pakistan's bowling is wicket taking and thats why they are among the most dangerous. Thing is right now you're not fielding your complete bowling. Yasir Shah is missing, Afridi is aged, Mlaik isn't in bowling form and Wahab is going through a bad phase. When even 60% of your bowling fires, they are the most lethal.


ANother whining thread, sick and tired of them. [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

 

[WC-Passion]

Recently experiments have pretty much confirmed that Shehzad is the best opener in Pakistan. I'd stick with him and bring Butt to partner him.

If your recent experiment is Khurram Manzoor then of-course Shehzad will look great.

 

[Statsman]

Which team do you think can be the least worst?

Maybe something like:

1. Babar Azam
2. Sharjeel Khan
3. Haris Sohail (drop anchor and play at a SR of 110-115)
4. Malik (C)
5. Umar Akmal
6. Rizwan (WK)
7. Imad wasim/Amir Yamin on a rotationary basis, depending on the pitch.
8. Amir
9. Hassan Ali
10. Sami for the time being.
11. Asghar

Though the above squad is highly unlikey, since Sarfi is most likely captain. For argument sake, he can replace Haris Sohail and carry the batting.

lol@ drop anchor and play at 110-115 SR

 

[Belawal2014]

lol@ drop anchor and play at 110-115 SR

lol ok. Hope you had a good laugh.

 

[Adil_94]

I think today our bowling has to take some blame. Amir at the death was awful same with wahab. While Sami was garbage all game. If we bowled with more discipline and restricted to the Aussies to 170-180. We could have had a better chance in this game. Bowling and fielding was awful for us today.

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[Adil_94]

Yet again our lack of discipline has cost us today. we conceded 20 runs too many. Very ill disciplined performance from our overhyped bowling attack.

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[Zak_Fan]

Sami is a spray-gun who had 2 good T20s.
Amir is struggling whenever the conditions are not in his favor.
Wahab is as ordinary as ever.
Irfan has lost his fizz.
Spin department has nothing.

It saddens me to see this state of Pakistani bowling.

 

[Gayle_Force]

I think its fair to say in T20 you need variety in the bowling attack. Pakistan bowling attack ,with all its big names, is actually very one dimentional.

 

[Mamoon]

People won't like to hear this but our overrated bowling has cost us a place in the semifinals.

Our batting played to its potential in all 4 matches. We scored 200 on the flat Kolkata wicket, and the score that we put up vs India was the best we could do on that pitch in 18 overs.

157 vs NZ and 172 was Australia is the best this lineup can do against the likes of NZ and Australia, so they didn't underperform.

However, our so called world class fast bowling [best in the tournament] conceded 180 vs NZ and 193 was Australia, which is the reason why we are out of the tournament.

However, it will only take a week before our amnesic fans start singing songs of our bowling again, and how Amir is the most talented bowler ever and Wahab is the fastest bowler in Asia, while India has a much inferior bowling attack.

 

[Yossarian]

Pakistan's death bowling used to be the best now the worst

Have Pakistan's bowlers forgotten how to bowl yorkers at the death?

 

[Adil_94]

People won't like to hear this but our overrated bowling has cost us a place in the semifinals.

Our batting played to its potential in all 4 matches. We scored 200 on the flat Kolkata wicket, and the score that we put up vs India was the best we could do on that pitch in 18 overs.

157 vs NZ and 172 was Australia is the best this lineup can do against the likes of NZ and Australia, so they didn't underperform.

However, our so called world class fast bowling [best in the tournament] conceded 180 vs NZ and 193 was Australia, which is the reason why we are out of the tournament.

However, it will only take a week before our amnesic fans start singing songs of our bowling again, and how Amir is the most talented bowler ever and Wahab is the fastest bowler in Asia, while India has a much inferior bowling attack.

we think pace is the only thing. What is pace without bowling intelligence. Bowling 145ks short and wide is just gonna go the boundary quicker.

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[Adil_94]

People won't like to hear this but our overrated bowling has cost us a place in the semifinals.

Our batting played to its potential in all 4 matches. We scored 200 on the flat Kolkata wicket, and the score that we put up vs India was the best we could do on that pitch in 18 overs.

157 vs NZ and 172 was Australia is the best this lineup can do against the likes of NZ and Australia, so they didn't underperform.

However, our so called world class fast bowling [best in the tournament] conceded 180 vs NZ and 193 was Australia, which is the reason why we are out of the tournament.

However, it will only take a week before our amnesic fans start singing songs of our bowling again, and how Amir is the most talented bowler ever and Wahab is the fastest bowler in Asia, while India has a much inferior bowling attack.

against NZ our batting did choke we shoulda done better. But today 170 was us playing to 95 % of our potential.

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