Lt Gen (r) Asim Bajwa to be made CPEC Authority's chairman

[Mamoon]

ISLAMABAD: Lieutenant General (r) Asim Bajwa is to be appointed the chairperson of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) Authority, sources informed Geo News.

According to sources, a summary pertaining to the appointment of Lt Gen (R) Bajwa as the CPEC Authority's chairperson has been sent to the Cabinet Division. The summary was prepared by the Prime Minister's Office.

It is expected that the approval of the summary to appoint Lt Gen (R) Bajwa as the CPEC Authority's head would be given in the Cabinet's upcoming meeting, which is scheduled for Tuesday next week.

Prime Minister Imran Khan would preside the Cabinet meeting.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/572788-lt-gen-r-asim-bajwa-to-be-made-cpec-authoritys-chairperson

So the guardian angels of Pakistan have taken over CPEC as well. Their greed for power and money have no limits.

This is pure nepotism and cannot be justified. What credentials does a retired army general have when it comes to handling something like CPEC?

What happened to Imran Khan’s drama of meritorious appointments?

Well I hope that Imran was at least notified by the COAS before he took the decision of handing the CPEC keys to one of his own.

And then ignorant masses argue that the military doesn’t run the country. CPEC is purely a civilian project between the Chinese and Pakistani governments.

Why does a retired army general have to call the shots?

It is time for the boots to get a slice of the CPEC pie as well, as if they haven’t feasted one the country enough yet.

A complete and utter farce.

 

[Bewal Express]

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/572788-lt-gen-r-asim-bajwa-to-be-made-cpec-authoritys-chairperson

So the guardian angels of Pakistan have taken over CPEC as well. Their greed for power and money have no limits.

This is pure nepotism and cannot be justified. What credentials does a retired army general have when it comes to handling something like CPEC?

What happened to Imran Khan’s drama of meritorious appointments?

Well I hope that Imran was at least notified by the COAS before he took the decision of handing the CPEC keys to one of his own.

And then ignorant masses argue that the military doesn’t run the country. CPEC is purely a civilian project between the Chinese and Pakistani governments.

Why does a retired army general have to call the shots?

It is time for the boots to get a slice of the CPEC pie as well, as if they haven’t feasted one the country enough yet.

A complete and utter farce.

Great news, the guy can't be any worse than the crooks who stole a trillion Rps from the poor of PK and laundered it through the Omni group, Or SS who turned a 100bn surplus into a 2 trillion deficit. BTW when will you debate what happened on either of these 2 cases.

 

[Mian]

There are currently only 2 retired Generals serving as Senators of Pakistan and both of them are from same party and served as minister too in last Govt so can you please tell us the name of their party who made them senator?

Yes your favorite jamhoori party PMLN now tell me what exactly PMLN is trying to achieve by making generals as senators? can't they find better candidate from their own party?

Lt. General (R) Abdul Qayyum (PMLN)
Lt. General (R) Salahuddin Tirmizi (PMLN)


http://www.senate.gov.pk/en/profile.php?uid=861&catid=&subcatid=&cattitle=
http://www.senate.gov.pk/en/profile.php?uid=869&catid=&subcatid=&cattitle=

 

[Syed1]

Excellent decision by the best government in the history of the country. May the patwaris continue suffering pain and misery inshallah.

 

[Lonewarrior]

i think thats good news ...

in other news
PIA witnesses record rise in revenue; up to 45 per cent this year

https://arynews.tv/en/pia-record-revenue-2019/

guess whos the chairman..

Air marshal (r) Arshad Malik

 

[DrSchultz]

Why don't these retired genrals, justices, secretaries ever leave? For god's sake, experience is one thing but our retired afsars have become leaches. All sports bodies, autonomous organizations, authorities have become a retirement home for retired faujis and babus.

These boomers never want to relinquish their power and want all young people to immigrate and send back remittances to maintain their luxury.

 

[HusseyShah]

Great to hear... Better then the incompetent/corrupt to the core civilian leaders.

I hope all key CPEC roles are filled by retired generals, patwaris to Burn. We all know the security threats / sabotage ambitions CPEC faces , no other institution better then the guardian angels of Pure Land. Pak Army Zindabad

 

[saeed5646]

There are currently only 2 retired Generals serving as Senators of Pakistan and both of them are from same party and served as minister too in last Govt so can you please tell us the name of their party who made them senator?

Yes your favorite jamhoori party PMLN now tell me what exactly PMLN is trying to achieve by making generals as senators? can't they find better candidate from their own party?

Lt. General (R) Abdul Qayyum (PMLN)
Lt. General (R) Salahuddin Tirmizi (PMLN)


http://www.senate.gov.pk/en/profile.php?uid=861&catid=&subcatid=&cattitle=
http://www.senate.gov.pk/en/profile.php?uid=869&catid=&subcatid=&cattitle=

i think thats good news ...

in other news
PIA witnesses record rise in revenue; up to 45 per cent this year

https://arynews.tv/en/pia-record-revenue-2019/

guess whos the chairman..

Air marshal (r) Arshad Malik

That was brutal

 

[Azzurri]

Honestly, Civilians should be leading these projects. Army should have nothing to do with it. Sad state of stairs

 

[pakistanisgreat]

I really do not like that. What's going on here with these retired officers? After retirement they also take civilian posts? What civilian gonna do? He should have not taken this post because he is getting his pension money let somebody else take that position who needs more than him and qualified.

 

[Abdullah719]

CPEC phase-II to generate mass employment, industralisation: Asim Bajwa

CPEC Authority Chairman Lt-Gen (retd) Asim Saleem Bajwa has said that after successful completion of phase one, the country is gearing up for the phase-II of the multi-billion dollar China-Pakistan Economic Corridor project, envisioned to generate massive employment opportunities for Pakistanis.

Asim Bajwa, tweeting from his fresh Twitter handle for the first time on Tuesday, said the CPEC project with across the board acceptability, is already bringing relief in energy and infrastructure sectors.

“Time to gear up for phase-II which is envisioned to generate mass employment through more projects, mass industrialisation, agricultural and socio-economic uplift,” he wrote.The statement comes a week after Prime Minister Imran Khan directed all concerned ministries to set goals for schemes and ensure inter-governmental coordination for early conclusion of phase two of the multibillion-dollar project.

“The projects should be finalised on the basis of socioeconomic development and be completed at the earliest,” the prime minister said while chairing a high-level meeting held to review the progress on various projects under the CPEC last week.

Lt-Gen (retd) Bajwa, the former DG ISPR who has also served as commander Southern Command, was appointed as the first chairman of the newly-established CPEC Authority in November last year. The Authority was established through a presidential ordinance in October for coordination, monitoring and evaluation to ensure implementation of CPEC-related activities.

Commenting on progress made so far in the project, Bajwa said nine projects have already been completed, producing 5,320MW electricity with the investment of US $7.9 billion. The energy generating projects, he said, have provided jobs to 5,000 Pakistani citizens.

The CPECA chairman further added that eight more similar projects are being constructed to generate 4,470MW electricity with an investment of another US $ 9.55 billion and would provide employment to over 15,000 Pakistanis.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/215019...-mass-employment-industralisation-asim-bajwa/

 

[Knight_Rider]

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/572788-lt-gen-r-asim-bajwa-to-be-made-cpec-authoritys-chairperson

So the guardian angels of Pakistan have taken over CPEC as well. Their greed for power and money have no limits.

This is pure nepotism and cannot be justified. What credentials does a retired army general have when it comes to handling something like CPEC?

What happened to Imran Khan’s drama of meritorious appointments?

Well I hope that Imran was at least notified by the COAS before he took the decision of handing the CPEC keys to one of his own.

And then ignorant masses argue that the military doesn’t run the country. CPEC is purely a civilian project between the Chinese and Pakistani governments.

Why does a retired army general have to call the shots?

It is time for the boots to get a slice of the CPEC pie as well, as if they haven’t feasted one the country enough yet.

A complete and utter farce.

Last year i went to Northern area and in Sost, the last Pakistani town before Chinese border, there was a dry port. Despite being a commercial operation, it was already management of Pak army. Similiarly gilgit airport is directly under management of Army. Hence i guess, they know very well where the lucrative trade spots are and how to keep the cash flow going. Not much wrong with it, other than the fact that not a single penny from this trade gets spent on ordinary Pakistanis.

Not much left for ordinary civilians in the country.

 

[DeadBall]

Don't know what the OP is complaining about, doesn't he always say that corruption and nepotism is OK (even necessary) if it's competent?

 

[Mamoon]

Don't know what the OP is complaining about, doesn't he always say that corruption and nepotism is OK (even necessary) if it's competent?

What competency does a military general have to oversee a project like this? The government couldn’t find a single civilian who could do this civilian job?

This is not about competence but the greed and unrestrained power of the military.

 

[aukhan]

No one in Pakistan seems to be more competent than these inter paas generals.

Our military is a mafia that loots and plunders the wealth and natural resources of the country.

 

[Napa]

No one in Pakistan seems to be more competent than these inter paas generals.

Our military is a mafia that loots and plunders the wealth and natural resources of the country.

The claim the military has is not competence, but that they have the guns. This has been the same story through history in all countries in which the military had domestic power.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

No one in Pakistan seems to be more competent than these inter paas generals.

Our military is a mafia that loots and plunders the wealth and natural resources of the country.

well said.
Look at all the top posts. they are the ones holding those. What would civilian do? They did service for 30 plus years, then they take pensions and then these posts. There is no accountability there.

 

[Napa]

well said.
Look at all the top posts. they are the ones holding those. <b>What would civilian do?</b> They did service for 30 plus years, then they take pensions and then these posts. There is no accountability there.

Civilians should shut up, and applaud the Army for "keeping the boots of the fascist Hindutva RSS off their necks". After all, the Army is saving them from a life of slavery under the Indians. In return they deserve all the top posts in corporations, even if they have no competence or experience in running corporations.

i think thats good news ...

in other news
PIA witnesses record rise in revenue; up to 45 per cent this year

https://arynews.tv/en/pia-record-revenue-2019/

guess whos the chairman..

Air marshal (r) Arshad Malik

As for PIA's revenues increasing by 45% this is a classic example of misleading news. PIA's 2019 revenues are indeed 45% higher than they were in 2018, however they are about 20% behind where they were in 2017 and 2018 (when measured in dollars, as ticket prices would be set in dollars).



PIA is a monopoly. Even if its revenues doubled, there is no way of judging if it is being well run as there is no private sector airlines to benchmark it against.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Retired generals are civilians. They are no longer part of the armed forces. Because you served in the army does not disqualify one for jobs once you retire.

 

[Mamoon]

Retired generals are civilians. They are no longer part of the armed forces. Because you served in the army does not disqualify one for jobs once you retire.

They are civilians in name only. They get these high posts only because of their uniforms and not their credentials.

They own the country and they are not subjected to accountability. Look at how the laws were changed to accommodate Bajwa’s lust for power.

The king didn’t want to follow the law and leave his post, and we responded by amending the constitution.

No wonder the whole world laughs at us.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

They are civilians in name only. They get these high posts only because of their uniforms and not their credentials.

They own the country and they are not subjected to accountability. Look at how the laws were changed to accommodate Bajwa’s lust for power.

The king didn’t want to follow the law and leave his post, and we responded by amending the constitution.

No wonder the whole world laughs at us.

The world laughed at us when some clown thought he invented a car that can run on water.
They also laughed when the Islamic council said you can beat your wife lightly.
The world laughs at us that millions of our people dont have toilets, and live in dire poverty.

Its not only the Army's fault that we are a laughing stock.


Getting jobs on sifarish is a problem for the whole country. I have relatives in Pakistan who have gotten jobs on connections. If hes not qualified for the job and the only reason he got is because of his uniform that's wrong, but ultimately its IK decision who he appoints for this post. And he should get the blame/credit depending on his performance.

 

[Mamoon]

The world laughed at us when some clown thought he invented a car that can run on water.
They also laughed when the Islamic council said you can beat your wife lightly.
The world laughs at us that millions of our people dont have toilets, and live in dire poverty.

Its not only the Army's fault that we are a laughing stock.


Getting jobs on sifarish is a problem for the whole country. I have relatives in Pakistan who have gotten jobs on connections. If hes not qualified for the job and the only reason he got is because of his uniform that's wrong, but ultimately its IK decision who he appoints for this post. And he should get the blame/credit depending on his performance.

It is not Imran’s decision. He was appointed by the man who holds the highest office in country - Bajwa.

 

[Napa]

<b>Retired generals are civilians.</b> They are no longer part of the armed forces. Because you served in the army does not disqualify one for jobs once you retire.

You are incredibly naive if you really believe that retired generals are civilians like any other. Without the power of the men with guns, the generals would not have been getting these jobs.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

The hold country is doomed to fail.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Civilians should shut up, and applaud the Army for "keeping the boots of the fascist Hindutva RSS off their necks". After all, the Army is saving them from a life of slavery under the Indians. In return they deserve all the top posts in corporations, even if they have no competence or experience in running corporations.



As for PIA's revenues increasing by 45% this is a classic example of misleading news. PIA's 2019 revenues are indeed 45% higher than they were in 2018, however they are about 20% behind where they were in 2017 and 2018 (when measured in dollars, as ticket prices would be set in dollars).

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PIA is a monopoly. Even if its revenues doubled, there is no way of judging if it is being well run as there is no private sector airlines to benchmark it against.

what a idoctic logic is that.
Why people do not understated fighting with India and holding top positions are two different matters and subjects.
If we are against their weapons then you are allowed to say if they do not have weapon then indian will destroy us. It has nothing to do with top posts. When our army will fight with india then we will support them.
Not supporting with they are holding all top positions. you do not care about civilian?
In the past chairman of cricket board was retired army officer, who has more experiance, the retired cricketer or army officer? Common, just try to do justice here. Think as a neutral fan.

 

[Napa]

what a idoctic logic is that.
Why people do not understated fighting with India and holding top positions are two different matters and subjects.
If we are against their weapons then you are allowed to say if they do not have weapon then indian will destroy us. It has nothing to do with top posts. When our army will fight with india then we will support them.
Not supporting with they are holding all top positions. you do not care about civilian?
In the past chairman of cricket board was retired army officer, who has more experiance, the retired cricketer or army officer? Common, just try to do justice here. Think as a neutral fan.

The sarcasm obviously escaped you.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

The sarcasm obviously escaped you.

no i got your point what you meant. but this was for those who bring india in whenever we talk about army holding any position etc.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

The sarcasm obviously escaped you.

off the topic. what is NAPA?
I know a company name NAPA, do you work for it?

 

[Syed1]

Civilians should shut up, and applaud the Army for "keeping the boots of the fascist Hindutva RSS off their necks". After all, the Army is saving them from a life of slavery under the Indians. In return they deserve all the top posts in corporations, even if they have no competence or experience in running corporations.



As for PIA's revenues increasing by 45% this is a classic example of misleading news. PIA's 2019 revenues are indeed 45% higher than they were in 2018, however they are about 20% behind where they were in 2017 and 2018 (when measured in dollars, as ticket prices would be set in dollars).

View attachment 98780

PIA is a monopoly. Even if its revenues doubled, there is no way of judging if it is being well run as there is no private sector airlines to benchmark it against.

Did anyone ask you hidutvas your opinion on how Pakistan should govern itself?

 

[Napa]

no i got your point what you meant. but this was for those who bring india in whenever we talk about army holding any position etc.

The raison d'être for the Army's power as it tells the civilians is that it serves the nation by protecting it from the external enemies, ie India.

The truth is that Indians (other than a few delusional RSS Akhand Bharat types) have no interest in annexing Pakistan and taking over Pakistan's problems. BJP doesn't want 200 million new citizens who would definitely vote against it.

Indians do not however like their jawans being killed by terrorists who receive arms and funding from Pakistan.

 

[Napa]

off the topic. what is NAPA?
I know a company name NAPA, do you work for it?

It is a region in Northern California well known for its vineyards.

 

[Saj]

Stick to topic.

Cut out insults.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

The raison d'être for the Army's power as it tells the civilians is that it serves the nation by protecting it from the external enemies, ie India.

The truth is that Indians (other than a few delusional RSS Akhand Bharat types) have no interest in annexing Pakistan and taking over Pakistan's problems. BJP doesn't want 200 million new citizens who would definitely vote against it.

Indians do not however like their jawans being killed by terrorists who receive arms and funding from Pakistan.

Well indian still plays a role to destroy pakistan let's not forget that. Indian are sending spy person to pakistan. Indian are not innocent at all.

 

[Napa]

Well indian still plays a role to destroy pakistan let's not forget that. Indian are sending spy person to pakistan. Indian are not innocent at all.

The question arises "who started it?". It is futile to try to answer this question. It is better that the two countries stop all action against each other and instead focus on development. The faster they get their governments (all arms of the government) out of their economies, the faster they will grow. Subcontinental countries have a fantastic amount of high quality human capital, and there is no reason why they should not be prosperous.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

The question arises "who started it?". It is futile to try to answer this question. It is better that the two countries stop all action against each other and instead focus on development. The faster they get their governments (all arms of the government) out of their economies, the faster they will grow. Subcontinental countries have a fantastic amount of high quality human capital, and there is no reason why they should not be prosperous.

agree,
as you said both countries should focus on development.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

You are incredibly naive if you really believe that retired generals are civilians like any other. Without the power of the men with guns, the generals would not have been getting these jobs.

Retired generals are obviously not like the average civilian. However if generals make up the 1% of the Army, compare them with the top 1% of civilians and you will note that they have the same influence, connections, as the rest of the 1%. Same way with compare the rest of the officer corp with the top 5/10% of civilians and you will again notice they are very similar in influence. I have relatives who have gotten position on sifarish. This is not guess work on my part. They have told me that's what they have had to get the jobs. This is unfortunately part of Pakistan's culture.

In this its IK decision who he appoints for this post. IK is not blaming the Army for pressuring him, instead for the last 18 months we have heard that they are on the same page. Therefore he should get the blame/credit depending on this person's performance.

 

[Napa]

Retired generals are obviously not like the average civilian. However if generals make up the 1% of the Army, compare them with the top 1% of civilians and you will note that they have the same influence, connections, as the rest of the 1%. Same way with compare the rest of the officer corp with the top 5/10% of civilians and you will again notice they are very similar in influence. I have relatives who have gotten position on sifarish. This is not guess work on my part. They have told me that's what they have had to get the jobs. This is unfortunately part of Pakistan's culture.

In this its IK decision who he appoints for this post. IK is not blaming the Army for pressuring him, instead for the last 18 months we have heard that they are on the same page. Therefore he should get the blame/credit depending on this person's performance.

Agreed that generals are the top 1% of the Army. However, the size of the Pakistani Army is around 600,000 whereas the civilian workforce is about 120 million. So the civilian top 1% is about 200 times larger than the Army's top 1%.

 

[Abdullah719]

CPEC to be completed at all costs, says Imran

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan vowed on Friday that the government would complete the ambitious China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) project at any cost and pass its benefits to the nation.

“The corridor is a manifestation of Pakistan-China friendship and the government will complete it at any cost and bring its fruit to every Pakistani,” the prime minister said at a meeting held to review progress on the CPEC projects.

Terming the CPEC an excellent project for the country’s socio-economic development, Mr Khan said the gigantic multi-faceted initiative would guarantee a bright future for the nation.

Lauding the performance of CPEC Authority, the prime minister said measures must be taken to improve its working as well as capacity.

The prime minister was briefed about the status of ongoing projects under the giant initiative.

Federal Ministers Asad Umar, Makhdoom Khusro Bakhtiar and Omar Ayub, Commerce Adviser Abdul Razak Dawood, CPEC Authority Chairman retired Lt Gen Asim Saleem Bajwa and senior officers of the organisations concerned attended the meeting.

CPEC is a collection of infrastructure and other projects under construction throughout Pakistan since 2013. Originally valued at $46 billion, the CPEC projects were worth $62bn as of 2017.

The vast initiative is intended to rapidly upgrade Pakistan’s required infrastructure and strengthen its economy by the construction of modern transportation networks, numerous energy projects and special economic zones.

In November of 2016, CPEC became partly operational when Chinese cargo was transported overland to Gwadar port for onward maritime shipment to Africa and West Asia, while some major power projects were commissioned by late 2017.

The potential impact of the massive initiative on Pakistan has been compared to that of the Marshall Plan undertaken by the United States in post-war Europe. The initiative has entered a new phase after the coming into power of the government led by Mr Khan.

Master plans of cities
At another meeting the prime minister directed provincial governments to upgrade master plans of major cities to provide the best civic amenities to the populace.

Due to ill-planned growth in major cities, the environment had deteriorated and people were facing multiple problems, Mr Khan observed.

“As a result of a mushroom growth, green belts are vanishing… Master plans should be amended and upgraded keeping in view the changing circumstances.”

Prime Minister Khan said the main objective behind incentives being given by the government to the construction sector was to create job opportunities.

He advised provincial governments to use the latest technology so that master plans of major cities were upgraded as soon as possible.

The prime minister said a roadmap should be devised within a week to give final shape to the master plans.

The meeting was attended by PM’s Adviser on Climate Change Malik Amin Aslam, Member of National Assembly Khayal Zaman, chairman of the Naya Pakistan Housing Authority and the housing secretary while provincial chief secretaries participated through video link.

The prime minister directed the authorities concerned at yet another meeting to improve facilities in Panahgahs (shelters) for the poor.

He gave these directives while presiding over a meeting on the government’s flagship initiative — the Ehsaas programme.

Federal Ministers Asad Umar, Makhdoom Khusro Bakhtiar and Omar Ayub, Commerce Adviser Abdul Razak Dawood, CPEC Authority Chairman retired Lt Gen Asim Saleem Bajwa and senior officers of the organisations concerned attended the meeting.

CPEC is a collection of infrastructure and other projects under construction throughout Pakistan since 2013. Originally valued at $46 billion, the CPEC projects were worth $62bn as of 2017.

The vast initiative is intended to rapidly upgrade Pakistan’s required infrastructure and strengthen its economy by the construction of modern transportation networks, numerous energy projects and special economic zones.

In November of 2016, CPEC became partly operational when Chinese cargo was transported overland to Gwadar port for onward maritime shipment to Africa and West Asia, while some major power projects were commissioned by late 2017.

The potential impact of the massive initiative on Pakistan has been compared to that of the Marshall Plan undertaken by the United States in post-war Europe. The initiative has entered a new phase after the coming into power of the government led by Mr Khan.

Master plans of cities
At another meeting the prime minister directed provincial governments to upgrade master plans of major cities to provide the best civic amenities to the populace.

Due to ill-planned growth in major cities, the environment had deteriorated and people were facing multiple problems, Mr Khan observed.

“As a result of a mushroom growth, green belts are vanishing… Master plans should be amended and upgraded keeping in view the changing circumstances.”

Prime Minister Khan said the main objective behind incentives being given by the government to the construction sector was to create job opportunities.

He advised provincial governments to use the latest technology so that master plans of major cities were upgraded as soon as possible.

The prime minister said a roadmap should be devised within a week to give final shape to the master plans.

The meeting was attended by PM’s Adviser on Climate Change Malik Amin Aslam, Member of National Assembly Khayal Zaman, chairman of the Naya Pakistan Housing Authority and the housing secretary while provincial chief secretaries participated through video link.

The prime minister directed the authorities concerned at yet another meeting to improve facilities in Panahgahs (shelters) for the poor.

He gave these directives while presiding over a meeting on the government’s flagship initiative — the Ehsaas programme.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1566867/cpec-to-be-completed-at-all-costs-says-imran

 

[PetroDollars]

Sometimes its the people who are your own countries biggest problem, and we can see that with this thread.

American history can be filled with numerous army men who retire and became presidant, the whole congress can be filled with retired military men, The whole UK parliment can be filled with retired army become MPs, so can europe but when it comes to Pakistan, there army must retire and sit quietly at home.

These people are not army haters, they simply hate pakistan.

 

[Napa]

Sometimes its the people who are your own countries biggest problem, and we can see that with this thread.

American history can be filled with numerous army men who retire and became presidant, the whole congress can be filled with retired military men, The whole UK parliment can be filled with retired army become MPs, so can europe but when it comes to Pakistan, there army must retire and sit quietly at home.

These people are not army haters, they simply hate pakistan.

You have a very poor knowledge of US history. Army men becoming Presidents and politicians are a rarity, especially since the 19th Century. Eisenhower did win the Presidency, but he was the only one in the 20th Century. He won because the people voted for him, not because he was backed by the Army. MacArthur was insubordinate to the civilian leadership and was promptly fired by Truman. After getting fired, MacArthur became a nonentity. McCain (who was only a junior officer when he left the military) lost, and Wesley Clark got nowhere.

The equivalent to what is happening in Pakistan would be for major US enterprises like Tesla and United Airlines to have their CEOs picked from the military.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Work on M-8 to commence as top priority.CDWP approval obtained for 146 KMs-cost Rs.26 Bn-Hoshab to Awaran(purple dotted portion on map).This road in remote districts of Kech/Awaran is a beacon of light for impoverished South Balochistan,will change lives <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cpec?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#cpec</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CPECMakingProgress?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CPECMakingProgress</a> <a href="https://t.co/tsHAB12E4a">pic.twitter.com/tsHAB12E4a</a></p>— Asim Saleem Bajwa (@AsimSBajwa) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsimSBajwa/status/1279644789563166720?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[uberkoen]

I read somewhere that over the last two years, PTI has gone had 4 Chief SEC Punjab, 5 IG Police Punjab, 5 Fed SEC Interior, 3 Cheif SEC KP, 5 Chairmen FBR, 3 Fed Finance SEC, 3 Chairmen SECP. The only offices that remain unchanged are Chairman PIA, Chairman WAPDA, COAS and DG ISI.

Chairman PIA is an Air Marshal and Chairman Wapda is a Lieutenant General.

As can be seen in this case as well Imran Khan continues to appoint military personnel in key positions (Such as Lt. Gen. (retired) Asim Saleem Bajwa). We have seen that Under Khan the military has also further extended its reach into matters of civil governance, with the Pakistan army overseeing all the coordination between federal and provincial governments in tackling COVID-19. In November, the army also took control of the CPEC Authority body with Lt. Gen Asim Bajwa being appointed the chairman.

After all this and then people have the audacity to say he's not 'selected'.

 

[Bewal Express]

I read somewhere that over the last two years, PTI has gone had 4 Chief SEC Punjab, 5 IG Police Punjab, 5 Fed SEC Interior, 3 Cheif SEC KP, 5 Chairmen FBR, 3 Fed Finance SEC, 3 Chairmen SECP. The only offices that remain unchanged are Chairman PIA, Chairman WAPDA, COAS and DG ISI.

Chairman PIA is an Air Marshal and Chairman Wapda is a Lieutenant General.

As can be seen in this case as well Imran Khan continues to appoint military personnel in key positions (Such as Lt. Gen. (retired) Asim Saleem Bajwa). We have seen that Under Khan the military has also further extended its reach into matters of civil governance, with the Pakistan army overseeing all the coordination between federal and provincial governments in tackling COVID-19. In November, the army also took control of the CPEC Authority body with Lt. Gen Asim Bajwa being appointed the chairman.

After all this and then people have the audacity to say he's not 'selected'.

Its great news to put competent Millitary men in charge so that things can get done. What matters is getting things done efficiently and quickly and IK has put people in charge that can get it done.

 

[uberkoen]

Its great news to put competent Millitary men in charge so that things can get done. What matters is getting things done efficiently and quickly and IK has put people in charge that can get it done.

Yes, competent military people have done wonders with WAPDA and PIA

 

[Bewal Express]

Yes, competent military people have done wonders with WAPDA and PIA

Wasnt it the Generals that turned PIA as the model for other airlines in Asia in the 60s? Did any chairman run off like they did under the Nooras, did they appoint 1000s of party workers like it happened under the PPP. Wasnt it under Ayub Khan that all our Dams were built? And only know undr IK has it started off again.Didnt we get our highest Growth rates under the Generals and that without borrowing trillions to be stolen and taken to London? If Mush hadnt betrayed PK in 2008, we would have external debt of around $70bn not a $100bn.

 

[uberkoen]

Wasnt it the Generals that turned PIA as the model for other airlines in Asia in the 60s? Did any chairman run off like they did under the Nooras, did they appoint 1000s of party workers like it happened under the PPP. Wasnt it under Ayub Khan that all our Dams were built? And only know undr IK has it started off again.Didnt we get our highest Growth rates under the Generals and that without borrowing trillions to be stolen and taken to London? If Mush hadnt betrayed PK in 2008, we would have external debt of around $70bn not a $100bn.

Sounds like a good idea. Why don't we remove IK and install a general as the head of the country as well while we're at it.

 

[Syed1]

Sounds like a good idea. Why don't we remove IK and install a general as the head of the country as well while we're at it.

Well we had general's pet dog from 2013 to 2018 and he took our country to the dumps.

 

[Syed1]

I read somewhere that over the last two years, PTI has gone had 4 Chief SEC Punjab, 5 IG Police Punjab, 5 Fed SEC Interior, 3 Cheif SEC KP, 5 Chairmen FBR, 3 Fed Finance SEC, 3 Chairmen SECP. The only offices that remain unchanged are Chairman PIA, Chairman WAPDA, COAS and DG ISI.

Chairman PIA is an Air Marshal and Chairman Wapda is a Lieutenant General.

As can be seen in this case as well Imran Khan continues to appoint military personnel in key positions (Such as Lt. Gen. (retired) Asim Saleem Bajwa). We have seen that Under Khan the military has also further extended its reach into matters of civil governance, with the Pakistan army overseeing all the coordination between federal and provincial governments in tackling COVID-19. In November, the army also took control of the CPEC Authority body with Lt. Gen Asim Bajwa being appointed the chairman.

After all this and then people have the audacity to say he's not 'selected'.

Chairman WAPDA was appointed in 2016.... Who was in government then?

In a cabinet comprising of about 50 ministers, sapms, assistants and focal persons.. only 2 are from military background.

Please remember that this is not your Nooras circle jerk where this sort of baqwas will fly.

 

[Bewal Express]

Sounds like a good idea. Why don't we remove IK and install a general as the head of the country as well while we're at it.

There is a simple reason- IK is the best man for the job. What we dont want is Foreign agents and crooks stealing from PK

 

[uberkoen]

Chairman WAPDA was appointed in 2016.... Who was in government then?

In a cabinet comprising of about 50 ministers, sapms, assistants and focal persons.. only 2 are from military background.

Please remember that this is not your Nooras circle jerk where this sort of baqwas will fly.

Again, your comments are beyond stupid. You justify the wrong doings of Imran Khan by saying Nawaz was also doing it which means you consider both in the same league and if that is your conclusion from all this then we are in agreement.

 

[uberkoen]

There is a simple reason- IK is the best man for the job. What we dont want is Foreign agents and crooks stealing from PK

So the person appointed by Imran Khan to run PIA is the best man for the job?

 

[uberkoen]

Chairman WAPDA was appointed in 2016.... Who was in government then?

In a cabinet comprising of about 50 ministers, sapms, assistants and focal persons.. only 2 are from military background.

Please remember that this is not your Nooras circle jerk where this sort of baqwas will fly.

Also, on Chairman Wapda, it was found that his poor decision making was responsible for loss of billions (because of pre-mature operation of Tunnel-4 of Tarbela Dam). Why did the government not hold him accountable? (loss of $753 million. Imagine making a blunder that big and no one can do anything except run silly inquiries like the whole drama on the sugar mafia)

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION], the best person for the job lost us billions of rupees and nothing was done. Is it because IK can't stand up to the military?

 

[Bewal Express]

So the person appointed by Imran Khan to run PIA is the best man for the job?

Yes and he has shown it. If he was in charge for the last decade we wouldnt have lost billions and and hired fake pilots and party workers rewarded for their thuggery. The guy has done a good job so far, and you know he has when the Unions run to court to get him sacked.

 

[IMMY69]

Great stuff by PTI and IK.

The people of Pakistan must be thankful for having IK as their PM.

Meanwhile the mafia and its network of criminals still exists and until they’re executed there is always a fear of a return to dirty mass courrption and looting by these murderers.

 

[Bewal Express]

Also, on Chairman Wapda, it was found that his poor decision making was responsible for loss of billions (because of pre-mature operation of Tunnel-4 of Tarbela Dam). Why did the government not hold him accountable? (loss of $753 million. Imagine making a blunder that big and no one can do anything except run silly inquiries like the whole drama on the sugar mafia)

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION], the best person for the job lost us billions of rupees and nothing was done. Is it because IK can't stand up to the military?

I just wish IKs works even closer with millitary, we need the ISI to weed out the traitors and crooks from all top jobs.
btw
You went quiet on the growth rates or the Dams? Did it not fit in with your narrative?

 

[uberkoen]

I just wish IKs works even closer with millitary, we need the ISI to weed out the traitors and crooks from all top jobs.
btw
You went quiet on the growth rates or the Dams? Did it not fit in with your narrative?

It's not about fitting a narrative. It's about being truthful and looking at everything objectively. I praise PTI where they do good and call them out where they don't. More people need to be like this for our democracy to mature. Call out the mistakes and the false promises and hold the people accountable.

The whole dams story is ** and everyone know it. Most of the those Dams were in bidding process or already inaugurated before IK took over. Nonetheless, that discussion leads to nowhere as long as dams are built in the end its good for the country.

What isn't good for the country is the increasing role of military in civil matters and the fact that no action is taken when we lose billions.

 

[Syed1]

It's not about fitting a narrative. It's about being truthful and looking at everything objectively. I praise PTI where they do good and call them out where they don't. More people need to be like this for our democracy to mature. Call out the mistakes and the false promises and hold the people accountable.

The whole dams story is ** and everyone know it. Most of the those Dams were in bidding process or already inaugurated before IK took over. Nonetheless, that discussion leads to nowhere as long as dams are built in the end its good for the country.

What isn't good for the country is the increasing role of military in civil matters and the fact that no action is taken when we lose billions.

Lol get off your high horse... You run whenever Sharif's corruption is mentioned. Talk about being objective.

 

[uberkoen]

Lol get off your high horse... You run whenever Sharif's corruption is mentioned. Talk about being objective.

This is silly. I've said a million times Sharif's are corrupt. What's the point of discussing their corruption when the world knows that they are. The problem arises when you link everything back with Sharif's corruption. The fact that Sharif's are corrupt does not cover up for the incompetence of PTI.

The typical response I get from PTI followers here (including yourself) when any topic is raised is "So what about when Nawaz did the same?" or "Yeah but at least he's not corrupt". Please understand these are not valid answers to questions raised regarding the incompetence of the government unless you considered PTI and PMLN to be at the same level.

 

[Syed1]

It's not about fitting a narrative. It's about being truthful and looking at everything objectively. I praise PTI where they do good and call them out where they don't. More people need to be like this for our democracy to mature. Call out the mistakes and the false promises and hold the people accountable.

The whole dams story is ** and everyone know it. Most of the those Dams were in bidding process or already inaugurated before IK took over. Nonetheless, that discussion leads to nowhere as long as dams are built in the end its good for the country.

What isn't good for the country is the increasing role of military in civil matters and the fact that no action is taken when we lose billions.

And talk about being objective. Mohmand dam was stuck for 50+ years and you are saying it was already started?????


Dasu dam World bank had allocated funds and we were even paying interest on it but PML-N government didn't even purchase the land for it

Daimer-Basha dam has been inaugurated by every government since Mush in 2006. Heck PPP and PML-N used to 'inaugurate' it every other year, but why is it that when PTI took over they signed the agreement and construction started???



Then this guy claims to be objective. Even denying PTI their achievements that have been accepted by everyone. [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

 

[Syed1]

This is silly. I've said a million times Sharif's are corrupt. What's the point of discussing their corruption when the world knows that they are. The problem arises when you link everything back with Sharif's corruption. The fact that Sharif's are corrupt does not cover up for the incompetence of PTI.

The typical response I get from PTI followers here (including yourself) when any topic is raised is "So what about when Nawaz did the same?" or "Yeah but at least he's not corrupt". Please understand these are not valid answers to questions raised regarding the incompetence of the government unless you considered PTI and PMLN to be at the same level.

You are nothing more than a shameless patwari.


No matter what you say it won't change the fact that PTI government is building three large dams and just last week signed agreement for another HPP, Kohala. I know it hurts patwaris to accept that PTI is doing well. Mardangi khatum hojaigi tum log ki.

 

[Syed1]

This is silly. I've said a million times Sharif's are corrupt. What's the point of discussing their corruption when the world knows that they are. The problem arises when you link everything back with Sharif's corruption. The fact that Sharif's are corrupt does not cover up for the incompetence of PTI.

The typical response I get from PTI followers here (including yourself) when any topic is raised is "So what about when Nawaz did the same?" or "Yeah but at least he's not corrupt". Please understand these are not valid answers to questions raised regarding the incompetence of the government unless you considered PTI and PMLN to be at the same level.

Speaking of government incompetence. Please do tell me the guy who racked up liabilities of 265b is incompetent or the person who paid them off and passed a 1.5b surplus budget. Now get to work patwari and try and spin this news in Sharif's favour as well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Educated, Top performer, star orator, SS left liabilities of Rs 100 bn and Rs 165 bn court cases liabilities. Then" low performer", " not star performer" <a href="https://twitter.com/UsmanAKBuzdar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UsmanAKBuzdar</a> not only paid all liabilities but presented surplus of rs. 1.5 Bn budget 2020-21</p>— hamidmalhi PMS (@hamid_malhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/hamid_malhi/status/1279719434223935488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Bewal Express]

It's not about fitting a narrative. It's about being truthful and looking at everything objectively. I praise PTI where they do good and call them out where they don't. More people need to be like this for our democracy to mature. Call out the mistakes and the false promises and hold the people accountable.

The whole dams story is ** and everyone know it. Most of the those Dams were in bidding process or already inaugurated before IK took over. Nonetheless, that discussion leads to nowhere as long as dams are built in the end its good for the country.

What isn't good for the country is the increasing role of military in civil matters and the fact that no action is taken when we lose billions.

I see you come on whenever someone mentions the corruption of the crooked family businesses. The simple fact is that even if we accept the millitary is far from perfect, they are a millions times better than the civilians that have been promoted by the Nooras and the Sindh mafia. The only people they promoted were the ones that were in on the scams like Fawad Hasan Fawad etc. The Nooras and the PPP have destroyed every single institution to hide their looting and hence IK is picking people from the only institution that works.

 

[uberkoen]

And talk about being objective. Mohmand dam was stuck for 50+ years and you are saying it was already started?????


Dasu dam World bank had allocated funds and we were even paying interest on it but PML-N government didn't even purchase the land for it

Daimer-Basha dam has been inaugurated by every government since Mush in 2006. Heck PPP and PML-N used to 'inaugurate' it every other year, but why is it that when PTI took over they signed the agreement and construction started???



Then this guy claims to be objective. Even denying PTI their achievements that have been accepted by everyone. [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

Isn't the contract of constructing Mohmand dam given to Razak Dawood? Isn't he a close friend of IK?

Everyone knows work on Bhasha and Dasu dams had already begun previously. Wasn't it under the previous government that the land acquisition for Bhasha dam took place?

Here is the article from April 2018 about land acquisition of Bhasha Dam (https://www.dawn.com/news/1398945). Who was the sitting government at that time?

For Dasu dam here are the relevant articles

Major financing received for 4,320-MW Dasu hydropower project being built in Pakistan (2017) -(https://www.hydroreview.com/2017/04...ropower-project-being-built-in-pakistan/#gref)

Hydro-Tunnel Contract for Dasu Damn Construction Signed (2017) - (https://www.tunneltalk.com/Pakistan-April17-Tunnel-contract-signed-for-Dasu-hydro-project.php)

"Early construction works on the Dasu hydropower project stage one were started in June 2017. Estimated to cost $4.2bn, the stage one will comprise six generating units with a combined installed capacity of 2.16GW." (https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/projects/dasu-hydropower-project/.)

I can't believe I have to educate you on these little matters that you can just google yourself.

 

[uberkoen]

I see you come on whenever someone mentions the corruption of the crooked family businesses. The simple fact is that even if we accept the millitary is far from perfect, they are a millions times better than the civilians that have been promoted by the Nooras and the Sindh mafia. The only people they promoted were the ones that were in on the scams like Fawad Hasan Fawad etc. The Nooras and the PPP have destroyed every single institution to hide their looting and hence IK is picking people from the only institution that works.

Again, why must you insist on comparing PTI with PMLN.

Do you think they are the same?

If you think PTI is better than PMLN then why the comparison? Are there absolutely no competent civilians in the entire country is that what you're trying to say? The least you can do is make some sense man. Not really expecting much here and you're falling behind on that as well.

 

[uberkoen]

Speaking of government incompetence. Please do tell me the guy who racked up liabilities of 265b is incompetent or the person who paid them off and passed a 1.5b surplus budget. Now get to work patwari and try and spin this news in Sharif's favour as well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Educated, Top performer, star orator, SS left liabilities of Rs 100 bn and Rs 165 bn court cases liabilities. Then" low performer", " not star performer" <a href="https://twitter.com/UsmanAKBuzdar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UsmanAKBuzdar</a> not only paid all liabilities but presented surplus of rs. 1.5 Bn budget 2020-21</p>— hamidmalhi PMS (@hamid_malhi) <a href="https://twitter.com/hamid_malhi/status/1279719434223935488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The comparison you're making is so damn stupid that I don't even want to comment on this. Honestly, please educate yourself. Stuff like this makes you look really stupid.

 

[Syed1]

The comparison you're making is so damn stupid that I don't even want to comment on this. Honestly, please educate yourself. Stuff like this makes you look really stupid.

Obviously since you have no answer to this you are calling it stupidity.


You are the one who is stupid who is doing sajda infront of the Sharifs when it is evident how they destroyed the country

 

[Syed1]

Isn't the contract of constructing Mohmand dam given to Razak Dawood? Isn't he a close friend of IK?

Everyone knows work on Bhasha and Dasu dams had already begun previously. Wasn't it under the previous government that the land acquisition for Bhasha dam took place?

Here is the article from April 2018 about land acquisition of Bhasha Dam (https://www.dawn.com/news/1398945). Who was the sitting government at that time?

For Dasu dam here are the relevant articles

Major financing received for 4,320-MW Dasu hydropower project being built in Pakistan (2017) -(https://www.hydroreview.com/2017/04...ropower-project-being-built-in-pakistan/#gref)

Hydro-Tunnel Contract for Dasu Damn Construction Signed (2017) - (https://www.tunneltalk.com/Pakistan-April17-Tunnel-contract-signed-for-Dasu-hydro-project.php)

"Early construction works on the Dasu hydropower project stage one were started in June 2017. Estimated to cost $4.2bn, the stage one will comprise six generating units with a combined installed capacity of 2.16GW." (https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/projects/dasu-hydropower-project/.)

I can't believe I have to educate you on these little matters that you can just google yourself.

So you said all these dams were started before but now changed goal post and said PTI gave contract to their own guy? So which one is it? Don't flip flop like your majazi khuda Nawaz Sharif.


Land for Basha has been 'acquired' by every government since Mush. How can I make it even simpler for you to understand!!!! Construction only started when PTI signed the contract and arranged financing.


As for Dasu I already mentioned previously that WB had already allocated funds, but your Sharifs didn't even purchase land for the same..



No matter how much you spin it it won't change the fact that PTI is the first government since the 1960s to build three major dams simultaneously.


Please learn to accept your failure.

 

[uberkoen]

So you said all these dams were started before but now changed goal post and said PTI gave contract to their own guy? So which one is it? Don't flip flop like your majazi khuda Nawaz Sharif.


Land for Basha has been 'acquired' by every government since Mush. How can I make it even simpler for you to understand!!!! Construction only started when PTI signed the contract and arranged financing.


As for Dasu I already mentioned previously that WB had already allocated funds, but your Sharifs didn't even purchase land for the same..



No matter how much you spin it it won't change the fact that PTI is the first government since the 1960s to build three major dams simultaneously.


Please learn to accept your failure.

I see you have no sources mentioned in this rant of yours whereas I proved in my post that work on 2 out of the 3 dams had already started before PTI came into power by providing various sources.

You can make up whatever stories you want but if you're unable to back it up via valid sources that's all they are "stories".

 

[uberkoen]

Obviously since you have no answer to this you are calling it stupidity.


You are the one who is stupid who is doing sajda infront of the Sharifs when it is evident how they raped the country

Man, I didn't want to get into this because it's a waste of time to discuss this with someone who cannot tell a difference between a budget an actual performance. You do know what a 'budget' is right or do you need understanding what it means?

 

[Syed1]

I see you have no sources mentioned in this rant of yours whereas I proved in my post that work on 2 out of the 3 dams had already started before PTI came into power by providing various sources.

You can make up whatever stories you want but if you're unable to back it up via valid sources that's all they are "stories".

Here you go

If your Sharif had acquired land then why did the present government have to release 175b in April to acquire D-B land and settle land disputes???

https://profit.pakistantoday.com.pk...s-rs175bn-to-settle-diamer-basha-land-issues/


Why did government have to release 40b in 2019 to acquire Dasu land??..

https://www.dawn.com/news/1518192




You wanted proof, here is your proof patwari.

 

[gani999]

Well indian still plays a role to destroy pakistan let's not forget that. Indian are sending spy person to pakistan. Indian are not innocent at all.

Well, Pakistan (rather Pakistan's ISI) has been doing the same to India. So understandably the feelings will be mutual. As for spying, everyone does it. You would be naiive if you assume that Pakistan's friends like China and Turkey don't have their spies operating in Islamabad.

 

[Bewal Express]

I see you have no sources mentioned in this rant of yours whereas I proved in my post that work on 2 out of the 3 dams had already started before PTI came into power by providing various sources.

You can make up whatever stories you want but if you're unable to back it up via valid sources that's all they are "stories".

Announcing the start doesn't mean it had any practical impact. It was a political move to fool gullible Nooras. If I announce that I am going to Mars, does that mean I have started on my journey.

 

[Napa]

Its great news to put competent Millitary men in charge so that things can get done. What matters is getting things done efficiently and quickly and IK has put people in charge that can get it done.

Military people (especially those who have spent a couple of decades in the military) have no idea about how to manage civilian projects or to formulate strategy for a firm to succeed. Recent example from Pakistan would be the horribly run PIA. Ever wondered why the largest 100 US has exactly 0 retired Generals as CEOs?

 

[Bewal Express]

Military people (especially those who have spent a couple of decades in the military) have no idea about how to manage civilian projects or to formulate strategy for a firm to succeed. Recent example from Pakistan would be the horribly run PIA. Ever wondered why the largest 100 US has exactly 0 retired Generals as CEOs?

The PIA was run by civilians from 2008 until 2018 so let's talk about their success lol The civilians in PK are people appointed to hide corruption and they offer nothing on the whole. Asim Bajwa has been excellent and I hope he finishes the job.

 

[PetroDollars]

You have a very poor knowledge of US history. Army men becoming Presidents and politicians are a rarity, especially since the 19th Century. Eisenhower did win the Presidency, but he was the only one in the 20th Century. He won because the people voted for him, not because he was backed by the Army. MacArthur was insubordinate to the civilian leadership and was promptly fired by Truman. After getting fired, MacArthur became a nonentity. McCain (who was only a junior officer when he left the military) lost, and Wesley Clark got nowhere.

The equivalent to what is happening in Pakistan would be for major US enterprises like Tesla and United Airlines to have their CEOs picked from the military.

You are trying to hard to attack the army, its becoming laughable - do you even understand what you say yourself.

No, armymen here is presidant, infact, never in pakistan has an army men retired and gone to elections and won, Mush tried it and was a complete failure, yet the childish rants against army controls everything continues.

More men from the army retire in other countries and end up in gov. then in Pakistan, but people like you twist it so much to make it look like it only happens in Pakistan.

Lastly your last statement is beyond terrible, please try better in your ridiculous attempts to malign the army, CPAC is not a private company like tesla, its part of the gov. and the gov decides whos in charge, if the civilian gov. picks a former gen, its because he was better than the rest, you can twist it as much as you like but it doesnt change the facts.

 

[Napa]

The PIA was run by civilians from 2008 until 2018 so let's talk about their success lol The civilians in PK are people appointed to hide corruption and they offer nothing on the whole. Asim Bajwa has been excellent and I hope he finishes the job.

Obviously a culture of corporate competence cannot be formed in 10 years. Also, the people running PIA from 2008 to 2018 were likely government appointed bureaucrats who are as bad as military bureaucrats when it comes to running corporations.

You shouldn't be comparing PIA's performance with its retd Air Force CEO to its performance when it was run by government appointed bureaucrats. You should compare it to airlines of other countries where the military does not dominate the civilian economy.

The very idea that military generals and air marshals can competently run civilian corporations is so delusional and so contrary to what we see happening in Pakistan that it becomes pointless to continue this "debate".

 

[Syed1]

The PIA was run by civilians from 2008 until 2018 so let's talk about their success lol The civilians in PK are people appointed to hide corruption and they offer nothing on the whole. Asim Bajwa has been excellent and I hope he finishes the job.

You are trying to argue with a guy who thinks certain cities in India like Mumbai and Bangalore are like first world countries. Good luck.

 

[Napa]

You are trying to hard to attack the army, its becoming laughable - do you even understand what you say yourself.

No, armymen here is presidant, infact, never in pakistan has an army men retired and gone to elections and won, Mush tried it and was a complete failure, yet the childish rants against army controls everything continues.

More men from the army retire in other countries and end up in gov. then in Pakistan, but people like you twist it so much to make it look like it only happens in Pakistan.

Lastly your last statement is beyond terrible, please try better in your ridiculous attempts to malign the army, CPAC is not a private company like tesla, its part of the gov. and the gov decides whos in charge, if the civilian gov. picks a former gen, its because he was better than the rest, you can twist it as much as you like but it doesnt change the facts.

I don't think you realized that my post was mainly about how US senior military officers do not dominate civilian life and corporations like you suggested.

 

[Bewal Express]

You are trying to argue with a guy who thinks certain cities in India like Mumbai and Bangalore are like first world countries. Good luck.

Really? I must have missed something.

 

[PetroDollars]

I don't think you realized that my post was mainly about how US senior military officers do not dominate civilian life and corporations like you suggested.

Even in that sense they do, they are infested everywhere from wall street to silicon valley.