Mark Waugh vs Damien Martyn vs Michael Clarke

[Saqs]

Re: Mark Waugh v Damien Martyn v Michael Clarke

Waugh
Martyn
Clarke

At one point, Waugh was considered a batsman in the league of Lara and Sachin, though he didn't quite live upto that expectations.

Wrong Waugh. Only Steve was considered in their league to be honest

 

[Mamoon]

Mark Waugh v Damien Martyn v Michael Clarke

Wrong Waugh. Only Steve was considered in their league to be honest

As far as I have heard and seen, Steve Waugh was never rated a very talented batsman or someone who had equivalent talent and ability to the likes of Tendulkar and Lara.

He was sheer grit and determination coupled with very strong nerves. IMO Mark was easily the more talented player with a whole lot more natural ability. He didn't have the drive and commitment of Steve.

But maybe it was Mark's elegant batting style that made him look more talented.

Both polar opposites though, I'd pay to watch Mark but I'd ask to be paid to watch Steve.

 

[IndianWillow]

Wrong Waugh. Only Steve was considered in their league to be honest

Steve Waugh was never considered a big talent, he was more about grit and steel. Waugh was a phenomenon when he came along, and never rose to the heights he was capable of.

 

[Convict]

Steve Waugh was never considered a big talent, he was more about grit and steel. Waugh was a phenomenon when he came along, and never rose to the heights he was capable of.

Steve was very much considered a big talent. It's why he was given such an extended run in the side at the start of his career.

 

[Saqs]

Re: Mark Waugh v Damien Martyn v Michael Clarke

As far as I have heard and seen, Steve Waugh was never rated a very talented batsman or someone who had equivalent talent and ability to the likes of Tendulkar and Lara.

He was sheer grit and determination coupled with very strong nerves. IMO Mark was easily the more talented player with a whole lot more natural ability. He didn't have the drive and commitment of Steve.

But maybe it was Mark's elegant batting style that made him look more talented.

Both polar opposites though, I'd pay to watch Mark but I'd ask to be paid to watch Steve.

Irrelevant really how they looked. It's what they achieved. And Steve was on equal footing with the best in the business when he was at his peak. Mark on the other hand never made use of his obvious talent.

 

[Saqs]

Re: Mark Waugh v Damien Martyn v Michael Clarke

Steve Waugh was never considered a big talent, he was more about grit and steel. Waugh was a phenomenon when he came along, and never rose to the heights he was capable of.

Steve Waugh was the best all rounder for his country in limited overs for a good part of his career. He had more talent than you give him credit for and the acb recognised this through the opportunities they gave him. To get into the Aussie side when he did and to rise to the top isn't just done on pure guts and determination.

You guys obviously are being swayed by Mark and his luxurious style of batting. But Steve was by far the better cricketer.

 

[Ab Fan]

So much class and style in one thread.. Easily the three most classiest batsmen I have watched play.

Out of the three, I will probably say, in order:-

Clarke
Martyn
Waugh

And this when not underrating Waugh. He played in the toughest era of batting(90s) and averaged 42 playing some geniune pace bowling all his career.

 

[Last Monetarist]

For me the order is Waugh; Clarke; and Martyn.

I think the thing most people tend to underestimate about Waugh Junior is that he used to score runs on crunch occasions, when Australia needed someone to stand up and be counted. For examples see his centuries at Kingston in 95 (came in at 50-2 in the series decider and starred in a huge partnership with his brother), Port Elizabeth in 97 (chasing 270 on a treacherous pitch against Donald), Adelaide against SA in 98 (embroilled in controversy because the South Africans thought he should have been out hit wicket, but he survived and saved the series for his team), Lord's in 2001 (Gough and Caddick swinging the ball all over the place). Scoring runs in difficult conditions sort of belied his overall record and general insouciant demeanour while batting. A true genius in my book.

 

[Ab Fan]

For me the order is Waugh; Clarke; and Martyn.

I think the thing most people tend to underestimate about Waugh Junior is that he used to score runs on crunch occasions, when Australia needed someone to stand up and be counted. For examples see his centuries at Kingston in 95 (came in at 50-2 in the series decider and starred in a huge partnership with his brother), Port Elizabeth in 97 (chasing 270 on a treacherous pitch against Donald), Adelaide against SA in 98 (embroilled in controversy because the South Africans thought he should have been out hit wicket, but he survived and saved the series for his team), Lord's in 2001 (Gough and Caddick swinging the ball all over the place). Scoring runs in difficult conditions sort of belied his overall record and general insouciant demeanour while batting. A true genius in my book.

I cant really have an opinion of my own for Mark since I was a kid when I saw him play, but with what I heard and read about him, many consider him as someone who under-achieved and was a bit of softie unlike his older brother- Steve, who had far more grit and determination. So, maybe it will help if you could elaborate a bit on it.

Waugh, though, was a better LOI batsmen IMO.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I cant really have an opinion of my own for Mark since I was a kid when I saw him play, but with what I heard and read about him, many consider him as someone who under-achieved and was a bit of softie unlike his older brother- Steve, who had far more grit and determination. So, maybe it will help if you could elaborate a bit on it.

Waugh, though, was a better LOI batsmen IMO.

I don't think Mark Waugh was soft, his best performances came when Australia were under the cosh as I have explained above. I think it's true that he didn't have the same drive as his brother to ground opponents into the dirt. Mark Waugh would throw his wicket away in fair weather conditions, perhaps because the game came too easy for him. I think that he probably suffered from a lack of motivation when the pitch was flat and the opposition bowling attack was sub-par. Of course, motivation was not a problem when Australia were in crisis. Given his ability, he should have averaged 50 in test cricket.

 

[Ab Fan]

I don't think Mark Waugh was soft, his best performances came when Australia were under the cosh as I have explained above. I think it's true that he didn't have the same drive as his brother to ground opponents into the dirt. Mark Waugh would throw his wicket away in fair weather conditions, perhaps because the game came too easy for him. I think that he probably suffered from a lack of motivation when the pitch was flat and the opposition bowling attack was sub-par. Of course, motivation was not a problem when Australia were in crisis. Given his ability, he should have averaged 50 in test cricket.

Yes, very talented batsmen and has definitely scored runs against top pace bowling attacks in some difficult batting conditions.

 

[Hasan123]

Clarke
Martyn
Waugh

 

[shaaik]

Mark Waugh for me any day. He was so pleasing on the eye. His square cut and on- drivers were a treat to watch.
Michael Clarke wasn't too far either. Had he played for any other country he would have an ATG.
Damien Martin- a promise unfulfilled. He had a potential to be one of the best batsmen but couldn't do justice to his potential. His retirement till date remains an enigma.