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Match Ka Mujrim (bechara) Thread

Bilal7 said:
That just ruined the entire game. Fakhar is an integral part of the team and the injury cloud affected the morale and confidence of the players.

Had he opened, the 22/2 is unlikely to happen. Saud and the rest of the team comes in at their preferred slots, with a base set. Pakistan probably chase this down in over 49 or 50.
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Yes. Fakhar's injury was decisive. A fully fit Fakhar was needed considering Saim was injured too.
 
Our pacers are mujrim here... They gave too many runs and then it is our fielding as usual... Standing 20 yards in during last overs when you have to stay on the boundary and then they might have taken some catches.

Pathetic.. Saud is another guy who was hyped to the moon and some people wanted him t20 opener. That guy is over-hyped and only good for tests... Move on
 
msb314 said:
Sorry but this was absolutely a 320 pitch..

Look at the way Agha and Khushdil batted
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Think it was a 280-290 pitch. NZ and PAK were level on score after 43 overs.
They could launch in the last 7 because they had more wickets in hand.
 
We conceded around 20 runs extra but that's it.
300 was due on this surface.
The powerplay score on the other hand was atleast 50 runs short.

Babar rizwan saud were the biggest culprits in my book.

If I've to choose one it's babar. It was embarrassing to watch babar bat in comparison to agha Salman when both were batting together.

Khushdil shah rauf naseem all looked comfortable batting out there but our batters neither scored at acceptable rate nor stayed long enough to cash in later.
 
The entire top and middle order.

But also the selectors.

If we're being honest, this team didn't stand a chance before the tournament even started.
 
kingusama92 said:
The entire top and middle order.

But also the selectors.

If we're being honest, this team didn't stand a chance before the tournament even started.
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Most people knew before the start of the tournament that this squad is not good enough to compete against the top teams of the World.
 
Rizwan. Killed momentum. He must have had hand in selection also overall. Defensive attitude and aiming for a "decent total" rather than going for 275 to 300 minimum.
Buck stops at captain.
 
Sufiyan Muqeem, Saim and Irfan for not being in the squad. Trust me Sufiyan would have complemented well with Abrar in middle overs. When PCT now plays after CT they should go back to the same team combination with Saim, Sufiyan and Irfan Niazi
 
Rizwan was look set and was on 46 with still a lot of overs left to go, was no need to play that shot.
 
Babar needs to go play Domestic along with Rizwan and Shaheen....Haris should be dropped altogether. I know this wont happen but thats the best way to get some new blood into this team
 
mesmerizer85 said:
Babar needs to go play Domestic along with Rizwan and Shaheen....Haris should be dropped altogether. I know this wont happen but thats the best way to get some new blood into this team
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Babar needs to be dropped from international cricket. It is his choice whether to play domestic or not but PCB should not wait for him to play and perform in domestic cricket, they need to move on.

Pak also needs to drop Rizwan, Rauf, Khushdil, Tayyab, Faheem and get youngsters in. The worst it could happen that they will loose, which is anyway happening.

Shaheen needs to be in squad, but PCB need to realise he is not your leader of the bowling line up. Either you beg Amir for his comeback or try to find any youngster who can developed into a 3 format player, Akif could be one of them.

Also there are millions of other things they need to sort out but yeah, to start with end this RizBa culture. It is beyond repair now.
 
imam babar rizwan + shaheen naseen rauf = disaster

these three players have played enough tournaments together everyone and their dog should know they are trash players who are destroying Pakistan cricket
 
mango_bite77 said:
Babar needs to be dropped from international cricket. It is his choice whether to play domestic or not but PCB should not wait for him to play and perform in domestic cricket, they need to move on.

Pak also needs to drop Rizwan, Rauf, Khushdil, Tayyab, Faheem and get youngsters in. The worst it could happen that they will loose, which is anyway happening.

Shaheen needs to be in squad, but PCB need to realise he is not your leader of the bowling line up. Either you beg Amir for his comeback or try to find any youngster who can developed into a 3 format player, Akif could be one of them.

Also there are millions of other things they need to sort out but yeah, to start with end this RizBa culture. It is beyond repair now.
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Were you not a big support of Babar and rizwan and arguing with everyone over them too during aus tour 🤣🤣🤣
 
emranabbas said:
Were you not a big support of Babar and rizwan and arguing with everyone over them too during aus tour 🤣🤣🤣
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No I am not a big supporter of Babar and Rizwan. In Aus he did well in captaincy, and was rightly praised. In today's match Rizwan didn't only forget how to bat but forgot he is a captain too. So no excuse now to not bash him.

Had I been RizBA fan, I would have defended them like most of their bhakta are doing on pp
 
Not necessarily mujrim but Nawaz clearly isn’t a good option against India.

Also next time whenever Pakistan play India unless its a dust bowl play 3 seamers
 
Shaheen - as usual

Nawaz - horrible knock

Agha - poor captaincy. Can’t have Saim bowl two overs in PP against India. And a pretty ordinary knock with the bat
 
Mohammad Nawaz again v India, this time with the bat. In the context of the game coming in at the end when we were expected to accelerate scores a 19 ball 21. At one point he was 7 off 13 balls, if only he had consumed less deliveries would have given another batsman an opportunity to hit big. Faheem comes in at end to score an 8 ball 20, he should have been sent ahead of Nawaz.
 
ads101 said:
Agha and hesson. Poor bowling changes. Mistake to drop Hasan. Agha sending himself instead of other players.

Otherwise we would have won this match.
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The match result was not disappointing today.

The decisions were. Specially the batting order and the XI.

I really thought that Agha and Hesson are in on this new modern day batting approach. But they made conservative decisions today which were disappointing. I wasn't expecting this from them.

Maybe they were under pressure today from externals (Aqib, Chairman and others).

Match result was expected. If anybody was expecting this young team to beat India then they're wrong. There's a gap that needs to be covered. Particularly in batting.
 
Salman Agha. When the captain fails to handle pressure, the entire team sinks. Not only he batted poorly but he was not seen talking to his bowlers when they were bowling half trackers during the powerplay.

His face after losing the toss said it all.

I have a strong suspicion the likes of PCB's Naqvis are interacting with the players on regular basis and consequently putting them under an unwarranted pressure.

Although more than half of the team played miserably today but the lack of leadership played a massive role.
 
Mike hesson..team strategy is out of place, he is not a great thinker i watch his ipl analysis he is a poor analyst no wonder muddled thinking is reflecting in team strategy
 
tiger_khan said:
Salman Agha. When the captain fails to handle pressure, the entire team sinks. Not only he batted poorly but he was not seen talking to his bowlers when they were bowling half trackers during the powerplay.

His face after losing the toss said it all.

I have a strong suspicion the likes of PCB's Naqvis are interacting with the players on regular basis and consequently putting them under an unwarranted pressure.

Although more than half of the team played miserably today but the lack of leadership played a massive role.
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The problem becomes worse when Salman Ali Agha the captain constantly proves he is a misfit in the T20 format. A lot of reporters on social media keep reporting he has zero respect in the team because they know he is not worth a spot in the side
 
mon858 said:
Sometimes its not a Mujrim. Its a hero from other side. Today it was Abhishek Sharma. Take out his knock. We could have won
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Nawaz drop him when he was on 10 .It wasn't easy but not impossible either .First he was terrible with his tuk tuk batting than this hiccup
 
Salman (and Hesson) for
1. team selection
2. sending Talat up the order
3. killing momentum along with Nawaz
4. not trying Faheem or Talat earlier in the innings
 
I think Hesson was guilty of overthinking this. I get the whole left / right hander thing, but you had enough lefties in the order. There was no need to bring Talat in, especially as he hasn’t had a hit in the middle in so long. On top of that, whether you like it or not, Hassan Nawaz is the face of the new mentality, to drop him is admitting defeat to the mentality you are trying to instil.

The whole “match-ups” thing with Nawaz. You didn’t bring in Nawaz to bowl cos you were afraid of the lefty matchup. The lefty took Saim to the cleaners anyway. I’m sick of this stupid matchups thing as if it’s the holy grail. 2 overs for Saim was poor, but 3 overs was criminal. Not only that, on a pitch which you should have read as one favouring the pacers more, to bowl 3 overs of spin in the PP and the last one to Saim is just unforgivable.

Tactically a very poor game
 
ads101 said:
Agha and hesson. Poor bowling changes. Mistake to drop Hasan. Agha sending himself instead of other players.

Otherwise we would have won this match.
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What if,

1) Bumrah/Kuldeep were at their best as usual;
2) We didn't drop 5 catches;
3) Samson was at his fluent best;
4) Sky didn't get out for a duck

Would haves and should haves don't win you matches.
 
Savak said:
The problem becomes worse when Salman Ali Agha the captain constantly proves he is a misfit in the T20 format. A lot of reporters on social media keep reporting he has zero respect in the team because they know he is not worth a spot in the side
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It might be the biggest reason. Knowing the history of Pak dressing room politics, a group might have already been started against him. That might be playing a role in his massive decline as a cricket thinker.

Otherwise, I know that he was never a great white-ball cricketer but he is not as bad as he is presently performing. Right now he wouldn't make the cut for any high level cricket club in the world, forget making the cut for a national team.
 
sweep_shot said:
It was Talat for last game. :inti
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It's not Talat's fault. The batsmen following him played with the same style - slow. Apparently that was the strategy of the team. They must have discussed it before the game. They misread the pitch. They thought 160 0r 170 will be enough.

Also, the shot on which Talat got out was theoretically correct. He was trying to affect the length of the Yadav. IT didn't come out well but hopefully he won't stop playing such shots in future.

Having said all that , I rather have Hassan Nawaz in the team instead of Talat.
 
pakfan54588 said:
Nawaz drop him when he was on 10 .It wasn't easy but not impossible either .First he was terrible with his tuk tuk batting than this hiccup
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Even if Nawaz had taken the catch SKY would have thrashed us afterwards. The reason being the half-trackers we bowled in the PP.

Nobody during the TV coverage showed the pitch-map during the PP. Most of the balls bowled, particularly by the spinners were short. They made Indian openers look better than they already are.
 
MP2011 said:
What if,

1) Bumrah/Kuldeep were at their best as usual;
2) We didn't drop 5 catches;
3) Samson was at his fluent best;
4) Sky didn't get out for a duck

Would haves and should haves don't win you matches.
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Well that’s exactly that. Those are performances on the day. You can’t control those things. They happen. As do the law of averages.

A team sheet before the match you can consciously control. It is a simple decision. You can’t just tell someone to not get out for a duck to prevent them getting out for a duck.

Captain’s bowling choices are not as clear cut as is induced by pressure in the match. But it’s similar a captain can’t control how a bowler bowls. But he can control if he bows and when he bowls. Same with batting order, you can choose where to come in to bat. Not how you bat, everyone obviously tries their best.

But really I’m more upset with the team sheet.

I haven’t seen India bowl that badly and field that badly for a while. And we hampered ourselves with decisions we made that day. At the start we actually batted better than normal/our averages. So basically it was Pakistan on a very good day and India on a very bad day.

I don’t know if we’ll get another day like that from India any time soon. Maybe I misspoke we wouldn’t necessarily have won, but we would have given a bigger chance of winning. It was an opportunity to win that day. A 200 total should have been on with that start. And we did totally controllable stuff that hurt our chances of getting that. Doesn’t take anything away from India’s win who won at the end of the day even in bad form.
 
MP2011 said:
What if,

1) Bumrah/Kuldeep were at their best as usual;
2) We didn't drop 5 catches;
3) Samson was at his fluent best;
4) Sky didn't get out for a duck

Would haves and should haves don't win you matches.
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Bumrah was at his best, but we attacked him and he couldn’t take the heat. Give the batsmen credit here.

And this should be the template for all batsmen. Stop giving him so much respect.
 
So all International batsmen will now have to learn from none other than Pakistani batsmen how to play Bumrah!

Well done, there is no cure for delusions
 
ads101 said:
Well that’s exactly that. Those are performances on the day. You can’t control those things. They happen. As do the law of averages.

A team sheet before the match you can consciously control. It is a simple decision. You can’t just tell someone to not get out for a duck to prevent them getting out for a duck.

Captain’s bowling choices are not as clear cut as is induced by pressure in the match. But it’s similar a captain can’t control how a bowler bowls. But he can control if he bows and when he bowls. Same with batting order, you can choose where to come in to bat. Not how you bat, everyone obviously tries their best.

But really I’m more upset with the team sheet.

I haven’t seen India bowl that badly and field that badly for a while. And we hampered ourselves with decisions we made that day. At the start we actually batted better than normal/our averages. So basically it was Pakistan on a very good day and India on a very bad day.

I don’t know if we’ll get another day like that from India any time soon. Maybe I misspoke we wouldn’t necessarily have won, but we would have given a bigger chance of winning. It was an opportunity to win that day. A 200 total should have been on with that start. And we did totally controllable stuff that hurt our chances of getting that. Doesn’t take anything away from India’s win who won at the end of the day even in bad form.
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Got you. Thanks for explaining your earlier comment.

However, it's ominous for you guys if despite us having a below par day and you playing quite well for a length of time for a change, you still lost comfortably in the end
 
MP2011 said:
So all International batsmen will now have to learn from none other than Pakistani batsmen how to play Bumrah!

Well done, there is no cure for delusions
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Let’s see - you’ve had your time to hype Bumrah. We’ll see what happens to him moving forward.

He didn’t do much wrong, but essentially had no answer.
 
TheSultan said:
Bumrah was at his best, but we attacked him and he couldn’t take the heat. Give the batsmen credit here.

And this should be the template for all batsmen. Stop giving him so much respect.
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He was literally bowling full tosses and no balls. Also bowled on-pace deliveries on a wicket where cutters were clearly the go to option.

That is the literal opposite of being "at his best".
 
Mesozoic said:
He was literally bowling full tosses and no balls. Also bowled on-pace deliveries on a wicket where cutters were clearly the go to option.

That is the literal opposite of being "at his best".
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The full tosses came cos the boy was under pressure, that’s what happens. No one plans on bowling badly, but he was feeling the heat. He nailed quite a few Yorkers that were dealt with so you can’t say “aaah he was just off his game”.
 
1. Shaheen. The biggest fraud in recent Pakistan history. He is 6ft6, but has zero fear factor as a bowler. He has seriously regressed as a bowler. He was nothing special to begin with, tbh.
2. Nawaz. The biggest chickhearted cricketer playing today. Once again, he fails against India, but he took a hat-trick against minnows Afghanistan, so it is all good.
3. Salman Ali Agha. Joke of a T20 player. I like him as a test and ODI player, but he has no place in the T20 side. His captaincy has also been a disappointment.
 
MP2011 said:
So Bumrah is just hyped. Hmmm!

You learn something new on this forum everyday
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It’s not hype, he’s a good bowler. However, he’s had quite an easy ride recently with batsmen just looking to play him out. Now let’s see how he reacts when he’s put under the cosh
 
TheSultan said:
The full tosses came cos the boy was under pressure, that’s what happens. No one plans on bowling badly, but he was feeling the heat. He nailed quite a few Yorkers that were dealt with so you can’t say “aaah he was just off his game”.
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His very first ball was a full toss lol. You can try all you want to argue a moot point but you ain't fooling anyone.
 
MP2011 said:
So Bumrah is just hyped. Hmmm!

You learn something new on this forum everyday
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The level of delusion is shocking even me, someone who’s been on this forum since 2009. A single handshake (or lack of) has rattled an entire nation. Goes to show how desperate most Pakistanis are for recognition from India.
 
BreadPakoda said:
The level of delusion is shocking even me, someone who’s been on this forum since 2009. A single handshake (or lack of) has rattled an entire nation. Goes to show how desperate most Pakistanis are for recognition from India.
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It is disrespectful to not shake hands. It is a centuries-long cricket custom to shake the hands of oppositions.

Cricket was always a gentlemen's sport until Indians decided to introduce petty politics. Indians have ruined the beauty of cricket. :inti
 
Mesozoic said:
His very first ball was a full toss lol. You can try all you want to argue a moot point but you ain't fooling anyone.
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He panicked as soon as he saw Fakhar’s charge first ball. You can live in delusion, I’m not bothered. But the boy was beaten mentally yesterday.
 
TheSultan said:
He panicked as soon as he saw Fakhar’s charge first ball. You can live in delusion, I’m not bothered. But the boy was beaten mentally yesterday.
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Similar thing happened with Konstas V Bumrah

Dunno why Indians are getting hurt by your statements. A bowler who is used to being seen off may be caught off guard if someone takes the charge.

Their deification of their cricketers means they have to believe that their cricketer is perfect at all times, but they are human beings who will respond to certain situations in an imperfect way, thats life.
 
TheSultan said:
He panicked as soon as he saw Fakhar’s charge first ball. You can live in delusion, I’m not bothered. But the boy was beaten mentally yesterday.
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Yes he was smacked no one is arguing otherwise. But he was clearly not at his best as you were claiming. No bowler "at his best" bowls no balls and full tosses and leg stump half volleys. That's basic cricketing common sense.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Their deification of their cricketers means they have to believe that their cricketer is perfect at all times
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We are literally saying the opposite. "Bumrah had an off day" is the argument that the poster you quoted is desperately trying to counter. According to him, Bumrah was at his best yesterday.
 
TheSultan said:
He panicked as soon as he saw Fakhar’s charge first ball. You can live in delusion, I’m not bothered. But the boy was beaten mentally yesterday.
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Bumrah also got smashed in England. It was Siraj who did the heavy lifting.

Bumrah's purple patch seems to be over. Teams are smashing him now. Even UAE batters handled him well if I remember correctly.
 
sweep_shot said:
Bumrah also got smashed in England. It was Siraj who did the heavy lifting.

Bumrah's purple patch seems to be over. Teams are smashing him now. Even UAE batters handled him well if I remember correctly.
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He is a very smart bowler and will adapt accordingly.

It is a good strategy to try to go after him; he will take wickets if you sit back and let him do his stuff, might aswell try to put him off his game.
 
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