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Match Ka Mujrim (bechara) Thread

Rana said:
Answer my question. What is your argument? I’ve clearly said he shouldn’t be in the team if he isn’t opening. Plain and simple
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For me he should be in the team as 4. Plain and simple. He flopped 30 odd games as a opener and failed in his most recent outing as an opener.
 
PakEngFan said:
For me he should be in the team as 4. Plain and simple. He flopped 30 odd games as a opener and failed in his most recent outing as an opener.
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Why should he be at 4? Where does he bat at 4 for him to be batting at 4 for Pakistan?

I know the exact reason and politics behind why he is adjusted at 4 for Pakistan. I’m waiting for you to fall right into my trap…I’m giving you a heads up that I am setting you up here.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
He may have flopped in the past man.

But we are flipping right now big time.

Fakhar has done it in ODIs. If he comes good in a T20 we will win the game.

If Riz comes good in a T20 we will get a slightly close to par score.

We are losing anyway. Let's try Fakhar and Saim.

I genuinely believe we have the raw components to win the WC. We just need to find the right combination.
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I already said I don't want rizwan opening. And have no problem with fakhar batting at 3. Fakhar had a million chances as a opener and he blew it again this Psl he was awful.
 
Rana said:
Why should he be at 4? Where does he bat at 4 for him to be batting at 4 for Pakistan?

I know the exact reason and politics behind why he is adjusted at 4 for Pakistan. I’m waiting for you to fall right into my trap…I’m giving you a heads up that I am setting you up here.
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Yes failing a million times as a opener has nothing to do with him batting at 4. This is Pakistan's team players should bat where they are asked.
 
mominsaigol said:
I can, but it'll require

A) Major soul searching across an entire nebula of PP.

B) Will result in the conversation looping to

- You're nothing but a blind hater
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I am waiting for the runs against arshdeep from iftikhar.
 
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PakEngFan said:
Yes failing a million times as a opener has nothing to do with him batting at 4. This is Pakistan's team players should bat where they are asked.
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Again, if he is failing as a player…opener as you say,

Why is he being carried in the team??
 
Rana said:
Again, if he is failing as a player…opener as you say,

Why is he being carried in the team??
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Because they don't have better options at 4 and are not willing to try other players as they know what fakhar can do. Not rocket science really.
 
Ah yes saying iftikhar scoring most of his runs against arshdeep is also sarcasm? I play the same game as you but better.
 
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PakEngFan said:
Because they don't have better options at 4 and are not willing to try other players as they know what fakhar can do. Not rocket science really.
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For some reason I already knew you'd say this. I predicted it today, bit I thought it would be Babar, it fakhar is the same.
 
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PakEngFan said:
Because they don't have better options at 4 and are not willing to try other players as they know what fakhar can do. Not rocket science really.
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That’s 10-15% of the correct answer. Before I give you the right answer, let me counter your response first.

“They don’t have better options”

Right…so how does that make Fakhar the automatic choice for 4? Why isn’t Babar or Rizwan tried there? How do you already know Fakhar is the ‘better option’ for this position whereas Babar and Rizwan who play middle order in ODI and Test are not ‘better options’ for a middle order position?
 
It was fielding and that Shadab's spell that is the mujrim here. They cost us the game especially the worst fielding that I have seen in the last 2-3 years. They were fielding like some street boys.
 
Babar for playing T20 like an ODI
Azam Khan for being a big waste of space in general
Shadab for doling out full tosses as usual
Rauf for undoing some good work by choking in the last 3 deliveries
Amir for again undoing his good work for his 4 overs by choking in the super over and giving no less than 7 extras
The general thinktank for coming up with the genius idea of having our best six hitter fakhar not facing in the super over

All contributed to the lowest point in our T20 history
 
Yesterday it was Match kay Mujrim and not just Match ka Mujrim. It was embarrassing.

1. Babar: Completely stalled the innings with his 4 off 14 in the powerplay and probably was 9 off 23 at one point. This is probably not even acceptable in Test cricket these days. His captaincy at the end was borderline shambolic. You just don't keep mid-off up when your bowler is bowling full. That's just basic captaincy 101.

2. Shadab: A full-toss machine. Against Associates, spin is the way to bury them yet he is always the one who buries his own side. Has no business being in the team as an all-rounder. I had said a long time back that Shadab is trying to become a Shoaib Malik. However, Shoaib in his prime was a more than decent ODI batsman. Shadab cannot bat. Don't get fooled by his gimmicky 30-40 runs. Also Shoaib once he went the batsman route completely gave up his bowling and never pretended to be a bowler.

3. Haris: Ridiculous to not have been able to defend 12 off 3. I can excuse him getting hit for 2 sixes against India because there was a genius at the other end but to concede a 6 and 4 to Jones and Nitish is awful.

4. Shaheen: Dropped a catch of Jones in the last over and costs Pakistan a six the very next ball faced by Jones. Also his bowling IQ is in single digits. Doesn't deviate at all from his plans if they are not working. Somehow he has considered bowling full every single ball in his first 2 overs as gospel.

5. Amir: Came back from retirement to add another chapter to his tainted story. A professional bowler should not be bowling 3 wides in a Super Over. Without those wides, USA may have made only 12 runs. Cannot be absolved because he bowled a good 19th over.

6. Rizwan: I think he has gone under the radar and escaped scrutiny. He was as culpable in the Super Over as was Amir. His keeping in the Super Over was atrocious. Could not collect the ball even once when wides were made by Amir. Cost Pakistan 3-4 runs extra due to his atrocious keeping.


Ifitkhar and Azam are notable mentions. Usman Khan didn't contribute either.

The remaining two Naseem and Fakhar didn't set the game alight either. I don't think I've ever seen a match where all 11 had next to nothing contributions.
 
one other thing, nobody told Amir or he himself didn't realize he should have tried to run out the non striker as he was taking starts every single ball.
overall, whole team + management is match kay mujrim, and it was reflected in them being in panic mode from ball 1. something happened that they were not relaxed at all. crazy selection, running, fielding, catching, decisions, etc.

seems like they were too phased by some off field / other games things:
1. poor IRL/ENG tour, too much pressure that they had to turn things around really badly
2. Injury to Imad, forced to play Azam
3. Watching games played on NYC pitch which is not same as Dallas pitch and thinking that 150-160 will be enough
4. Its USA, just bowl fast, just bowl yorkers, they will get out themselves
5. not having much practice at ground/pitch due to weather
6. new coach not yet understanding team and who to do what with, or enough influence
7. lack of team camaraderie, seems there may be some camps in team, just months ago some folks used to sit on TV and openly criticize current captain, or former captain not happy with getting replaced, etc.
 
Who is the match ka mujrim - Rishabh Pant imo

Came in when score was 23 in less than 2 overs. Gave his wicket away on a nothing ball and then didnt catch

Rohit Sharma for sticking with Spin when it was clear that it wasnt working
 
Match isnt over...

But Rohit SHarma to continue with Axar was totally brainless.
 
Pakistan vs Bangladesh 1st test match. Pakistan lost by 10 wickets.

Shan is the match ka mujrim for me here.
 
shan, babar and shaheen. three of our most experienced, senior players, two have social media hype trains bigger than many actual international match winners.
 
I called in one of the threads that last 2 hours of Pak first innings is going to haunt them. Other then little cameo from Shaheen Pak scored at around 2 runs per over! shouldve scored atleast 100 more before declaring. Or even go on to score as much as you can to bat only once in the match.

For me match ka mujrim is captain and management for not knowing what the plan is and communicating with Rizwan and Saud at that time.
 
Match k mujrim- Babar, SSA and Shan
Pakistan Cricket k decline k mujrim in all formats - Babar, SSA and Rizwan
Pakistan Cricket Limited Overs k decline k mujrim- Babar, SSA, Rizwan, Shadab, Iftikhar, Haris Rauf and recently Azam Khan
 
Don't think there is one. Pak just had one really unlucky 40 mins period.

Babar and Saud wkts back to back at the beginning

Then Abdullah and Salman back to back at the end.

Of these 4 for Babar/Saud the shot was on but execution a bit off. Salman got a good ball and outstanding catch. Abdullah was the only absolute terrible shot.

If the time spacing between these wkts had been about one hour more, Pak could have conceivably saved the game.
 
pratiktc said:
Don't think there is one. Pak just had one really unlucky 40 mins period.

Babar and Saud wkts back to back at the beginning

Then Abdullah and Salman back to back at the end.

Of these 4 for Babar/Saud the shot was on but execution a bit off. Salman got a good ball and outstanding catch. Abdullah was the only absolute terrible shot.

If the time spacing between these wkts had been about one hour more, Pak could have conceivably saved the game.
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Probably true....if this was an isolated event.

However if you look at the results across formats for the last few years there are many similar events where it appears to be an unlucky period of play that took the game away from us.

When you have that much bad luck, it's clear that it cannot just be a lack of luck but the players' inability to withstand even the most minor of pressure without forgetting their skills.
 
who is the mujrim of Pakistan vs England 1st test match where Pakistan lost badly???

I think it is the guy who made such a pathetic pitch first of all.
 
I blame Amir and Imad for this.

They mentally damaged Babar Azam with their criticism on TV and today Babar can’t score a run. We have lost our Bobsy the King.
 
BouncerGuy said:
who is the mujrim of Pakistan vs England 1st test match where Pakistan lost badly???

I think it is the guy who made such a pathetic pitch first of all.
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You blame pitch for the collective brain freeze and chickening out by PCT in their 2nd innings... the pitch had no demons, only had to play ODI style cricket of going along 3 rpo which PCT excel at.
 
Some of these guys will have serious questions to answer in the press conference
 
What was that ??? I don't remember anything more hopeless than this Pakistan's approach..
 
Bhaijaan said:
Some of these guys will have serious questions to answer in the press conference
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Why? Why now? This has happened before. Nothing new for Pak.

I bet not one in that press conference will be able to identify why Pak lost.
 
Saud Shakeel.

As an opener you’re meant to set the tone, he put all the pressure back on to us.

Then they bring in Fakhar when he can’t run.
 
Selection Committee --- who selected these 15 players.
India coming to CT with 5 spinners. We went in with with 1 spinner.
Then Haris Rauf goes for 80+ runs in 10 overs.
 
A complete mess it is but if in nitpicking, Babar Rauf & too some extent Rizwan are to blame for this defeat.

Babar and Rizwan played passive game and created a mess
 
@Kianig89 your expert from Samaa TV Amir Nazir:

“Salman Agha who do you think you are?? How dare you try to play a big shot with Babar Azam with you at the crease?”
 
Powerplay batting. 10 overs 22 for 2.
So basically Saud, Babar, and Rizwan. All 3.
Rest all tried but it was all over with the 20 run powerplay.
On top of that sending Fakhar right away stalled innings even more.
 
mon858 said:
Powerplay batting. 10 overs 22 for 2.
So basically Saud, Babar, and Rizwan. All 3.
Rest all tried but it was all over with the 20 run powerplay.
On top of that sending Fakhar right away stalled innings even more.
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Why do Babar and Rizwan destroy player’s career’s to bat in a T20 powerplay though?
 
Rana said:
@Kianig89 your expert from Samaa TV Amir Nazir:

“Salman Agha who do you think you are?? How dare you try to play a big shot with Babar Azam with you at the crease?”
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I have watched 97.2 overs don't need an analyst opinion to deduce anything.

From ball 1 team looked devoid of any plan and strategy which I mentioned randomly in match thread
 
the same debate over Babar and Rizwan since they started batting together almost a decade now of these 2 doing same thing and the Saaya corp media making sure we are not allowed to criticize
 
Horrible innings by Babar. It was not that bad of a pitch. Very poor!

Seriously "zimbabwe na khelu to g ghabrata hai" kinda innings
 
Kianig89 said:
Game was lost in first 2 overs of batting, mindset was clear Saud and Babar were playing for themselves
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Exactly they were playing to save their place, even after playing so much cricket they don't know how to rotate the strike and play run a ball
 
We can analyse and say all sorts of things. We must realise though this is arguably one of the best NZ ODI XI. They have all bases covered from opening, middle order, power hitting, spin, pace, experience and fielding.
 
zaidihusain said:
Exactly they were playing to save their place, even after playing so much cricket they don't know how to rotate the strike and play run a ball
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saud shakeel as attractive as his shots can be sometimes he seems to also bat in a bubble and not care abt match situation so fits in perfectly with the Bobsy and Rizzy playbook which was inherited by Misbah
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The bowlers were to blame today. That was not a 320 pitch. They get destroyed at the death because they don't take enough wickets by then.
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Absolutely. I thought it was a 230 wicket. Spin and uneven bounce. NZ showed that with their bowling and our batters died under the pressure
 
gazza619 said:
We can analyse and say all sorts of things. We must realise though this is arguably one of the best NZ ODI XI. They have all bases covered from opening, middle order, power hitting, spin, pace, experience and fielding.
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Which makes me think there's a real chance that if Pakistan can beat India. New Zealand will beat India too.
 
Bhaiyo Khuda ka Khauf karo.

I know you will have your favourites but we should be just with our criticism.

Check CI MVP rankings
here is some background

What is Smart Stats?
Smart Stats is a new way of looking at numbers, by adding context to every performance, batting or bowling. Context includes pitch conditions, quality of opposition, and match situation - in terms of the pressure on the player.

Smart Stats thus measures the true value of every batting or bowling performance.


Now look at this

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Khushdil Shah runs had a true value greater than their scorecard total.

Babars 64 had a true value of 48 runs. It shows how pathetic his innings was. Blame bowlers all you want. Bowlers didn't make him tuk tuk his way to a score that had a true value of under 50.
 
Bewal Express said:
Absolutely. I thought it was a 230 wicket. Spin and uneven bounce. NZ showed that with their bowling and our batters died under the pressure
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Nikhil_cric said:
The bowlers were to blame today. That was not a 320 pitch. They get destroyed at the death because they don't take enough wickets by then.
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Sorry but this was absolutely a 320 pitch..

Look at the way Agha and Khushdil batted
 
It's harsh but the 'Match Ka Mujrim' here is Fakhar Zaman. How do you get injured in the first few seconds of the game? This is after coming back from a long layoff. It's unacceptable for a batsman to get injured so often.

That just ruined the entire game. Fakhar is an integral part of the team and the injury cloud affected the morale and confidence of the players.

Had he opened, the 22/2 is unlikely to happen. Saud and the rest of the team comes in at their preferred slots, with a base set. Pakistan probably chase this down in over 49 or 50.
 
Babar and the fast bowlers, we could have had this match lost it in the middle overs, while bowling, and last 10 overs of bowling as well, followed by first 10 overs of batting, its always the same story with Pak cricket.
 
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