Mickey Arthur remains PCB's first choice as Head Coach

[Major]

Najam Sethi has recently made it clear that he wants an overseas coach to take over the reigns as Pakistan Head Coach.

PCB is keen to look at Mickey Arthur regarding the role of Head Coach. He is currently their number one choice. Options are being looked at with talks likely to take place in the new year.

The complication is that Mickey has a contract with Derbyshire which the County will of course want him to honour.

I guess it all depends whether Derbyshire would allow Arthur to split his time between working in County Cricket and his international commitments.

Mickey Arthur needs to be abit aware of our political situation.

The intial length of his contract wont matter. Maybe if he bags a 5 year+ contract he would be in a win win situation.

The coaches job will only last till the time shebazs gogt is in place. For arthur to keep his job long term, he will depend upon shebaz shareef winning the election. If shebaz losses than Arthus could be removed from the job under the new patron.

The care taker govt will also be crucial if the care taker pm is a cricket fan and ends up taking very drastic measures and brings a new coach.

Anyways, Arthur needs to be abit careful in a way that he doesnt end up quiting derbyshire, come to Pakistan only to get fired after 6 months and than he is jobless for the season.

I think from Arthurs pov, sign a contract, keep the derbyshire contract in place. Just fish and see what happens after general elections and if shebazs govt wins, he can quit the derbyshire job. If he loses his pcb job he can keep his derbyshire one if the other party wins.

Best deal for him is to sign a 3-4 year contract, hope to get fired and get a big pay day....

 

[Abdullah]

We lost test series against NZ and SL in UAE under Micky

Yes let's blame Mickey because asad and Azhar and co, bottled two 130-160 run chases
And look past all the good work Mickey did.
I would love to see him back

 

[Concerned]

Many are pointing out Arthur’s UAE losses.

Didn’t Pakistan just get demolished in a home series without Arthur?

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has explained arthurs career well.

Alam was maneger in 1992.

Overall performance of your team shows how good you are in test.

As far as i remember, wasnt it under mickey we lost our undefeated record in uae

I am not overlooking the criticisms in Tests but it is silly to call him one of your worst ever when he delivered a trophy and helped change how you play LOI cricket.

 

[shaz619]

Many are pointing out Arthur’s UAE losses.

Didn’t Pakistan just get demolished in a home series without Arthur?

Exactly. Apparently he is one of the worst the team ever had lol

 

[shaz619]

Santa Sethi has come down the chimney with a new foreign coach and selectors

Xmas has arrived on que

 

[Forum363]

Mickey Arthur needs to be abit aware of our political situation.

The intial length of his contract wont matter. Maybe if he bags a 5 year+ contract he would be in a win win situation.

The coaches job will only last till the time shebazs gogt is in place. For arthur to keep his job long term, he will depend upon shebaz shareef winning the election. If shebaz losses than Arthus could be removed from the job under the new patron.

The care taker govt will also be crucial if the care taker pm is a cricket fan and ends up taking very drastic measures and brings a new coach.

Anyways, Arthur needs to be abit careful in a way that he doesnt end up quiting derbyshire, come to Pakistan only to get fired after 6 months and than he is jobless for the season.

I think from Arthurs pov, sign a contract, keep the derbyshire contract in place. Just fish and see what happens after general elections and if shebazs govt wins, he can quit the derbyshire job. If he loses his pcb job he can keep his derbyshire one if the other party wins.

Best deal for him is to sign a 3-4 year contract, hope to get fired and get a big pay day....

He just has to hope Misbah is not added to any committees to stab him in the back again.

 

[PakEngFan]

One of the worst coaches we have ever had. He even made sri lanka terrible.

Probably the most over rated coach around here. People who mentioned ct 2017, often forget what happened in the match against Lanka.

That will be misbah by a country mile. Arthur would have continued as a coach if it wasn’t the greed of back stabber misbah.

 

[Saj]

Today, Najam Sethi "I contacted Mickey Arthur and asked him if he is available to take on the role of Head Coach for Pakistan. He said he will let me know as he has a contract with Derbyshire. I will have further information on this in 7 to 10 days time"

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I like Mickey, and didnt agree with his dismissal, but i think the moment has passed

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Today, Najam Sethi "I contacted Mickey Arthur and asked him if he is available to take on the role of Head Coach for Pakistan. He said he will let me know as he has a contract with Derbyshire. I will have further information on this in 7 to 10 days time"

If Arthur has any sense he will make Pakistan commit to a minimum three year contract.
Then, when the inevitable happens in a year and he is removed from his position (either because of poor performance of the team or change in PCB leadership) he will get two years salary as redundancy pay.
Whilst he has just signed an extension to his contract at Derbyshire it won’t be that lucrative, he is hardly in demand on the elite international circuit, so maybe a chance of making some money courtesy of the PCB

 

[mazkhan]

Today, Najam Sethi "I contacted Mickey Arthur and asked him if he is available to take on the role of Head Coach for Pakistan. He said he will let me know as he has a contract with Derbyshire. I will have further information on this in 7 to 10 days time"

Don't understand why our chairman's have to continue spurting everything out of their mouths.

Keep things confidential and professional.

 

[mazkhan]

Maybe we should try our luck and hire Paul farbrace

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Don't understand why our chairman's have to continue spurting everything out of their mouths.

Keep things confidential and professional.

Fully agree — it’s going to look a bit embarrassing if he turns down the Pakistan job for the delights of continuing to coach a second division side in the English county championship …..
I guess PCB chairman have never learned the art of keeping their mouths shut.

 

[Markhor]

Pakistan lost 24 of its last 34 ODI under Mickey, failed to qualify for the World Cup semifinals in spite of getting the best possible preparation among all teams & lost the last two T20I series as well.

In addition, they were a joke in Test cricket as well, losing consecutive home series to SL & NZ & getting whitewashed in SA.

It is incredible how Mickey pulled the wool over the eyes of so many fans & fooled them into thinking that he was a good coach who was taking the team forward, produced results & should not have been sacked.

Mickey & Sarfraz could not recover from the 2018 Asia Cup humiliation. Pakistan team was still in 2017 Champions Trophy celebration mode & had completely ignored the warning signs in NZ in Jan 2018 when Pakistan got blanked 5-0.

It was put down to poor preparation because the team falsely believed that they were untouchable after the Champions Trophy.

The level of arrogance & delusion was extremely high among the squad, the likes of Sarfraz were openly stating that India were scared of playing them, Hassan Ali was acting like an idiot on the border etc., before the team got a brutal reality check in the 2018 Asia Cup in UAE & they were in free fall.

Mickey could do nothing to resist the decline. He was helpless & he deserved to be sacked. He took the team as far as he could.

PCB under the moronic leadership of Mani & Wasim completely botched the succession process & were guilty of clear conflict of interest when they allowed Misbah, his eventual successor, to be a part of the panel that decided his fate.

However, that does not change the fact that Mickey deserves to get the boot. You cannot vouch for a coach with such an embarrassing W/L ratio over a 6-7 month period.

The reason is simple. As you keep repeating, the talent pool and infrastructure in Pakistan is mediocre. Consequently, we must align our expectations accordingly. That means accepting no coach can transform us into a consistent, top ranked side.

Therefore my expectations from a coach is to a) develop young players and b) win the odd piece of silverware.

Mickey did both in his first tenure whereas his predecessor and two successors failed on both fronts. Waqar left after crashing out of group stage of 2016 Asia Cup and T20 World Cup, and his track record of developing youngsters was nonexistent.

Misbah didn't get the chance to coach us at a tournament but failed to develop a single youngster. Babar and Shaheen were already coming into their own before his appointment. He benefited from the ODI top-order Mickey left.

Saqlain has just been an unmitigated disaster. Bottled the T20 World Cup semi-final vs AUS in our second home of UAE, bottled the Asia Cup Final vs a weak SL team, and flattered to deceive in the T20 World Cup. As for developing youngsters - maybe Abdullah Shafique but I'd give Mohammad Yousuf more credit for that.

 

[TheSultan]

Yes let's blame Mickey because asad and Azhar and co, bottled two 130-160 run chases
And look past all the good work Mickey did.
I would love to see him back

This.

What can a coach do when this happens?

 

[90MPH]

Arthur is a good task manager.

Remember a coach in cricket can only steer the ship - he can not save the ship if everything else is going wrong.

I suppose for the PCB (and the media) it will be an easy target to point fingers at if things don’t go to fruition.

 

[Saj]

Derbyshire hold the cards regarding this.

If they aren't happy with it and don't agree to any arrangement then there is nothing Mickey can do about it, other than to resign from the Derbyshire role.

If Derbyshire do agree, then it will be very interesting to see how doing the 2 jobs will work.

 

[HitWicket]

There's no change someone would be able to hold a county head coach role and international head coach role, it just wouldn't be feasible.

 

[Kroll]

True!!!!losing test series against Zim is there ....

I don't remember this, in fact I don't think this true, they might have lost a white ball game against Zimb but not a Test under him.

What I do remember though is him delivering an ICC trophy something everyone has failed to do since 2009

 

[Kroll]

He wasn't taking that good a care of business when he was chucked out, he may have unfinished business, but pretty sure we are live without it.

Bringing back same person is not something that is desirable , Mickey is better than currect coaches but Pakistan need to see other options as well. There are better coaches than Mickey.

I'm not advocating for his return though could prove to be a decent move, but referring to the way he got "chucked out" which is unbecoming of a professional cricket board.

It wouldn't surprise me if he turned down any approach due to the way he was treated.

 

[Major]

The reason is simple. As you keep repeating, the talent pool and infrastructure in Pakistan is mediocre. Consequently, we must align our expectations accordingly. That means accepting no coach can transform us into a consistent, top ranked side.

Therefore my expectations from a coach is to a) develop young players and b) win the odd piece of silverware.

Mickey did both in his first tenure whereas his predecessor and two successors failed on both fronts. Waqar left after crashing out of group stage of 2016 Asia Cup and T20 World Cup, and his track record of developing youngsters was nonexistent.

Misbah didn't get the chance to coach us at a tournament but failed to develop a single youngster. Babar and Shaheen were already coming into their own before his appointment. He benefited from the ODI top-order Mickey left.

Saqlain has just been an unmitigated disaster. Bottled the T20 World Cup semi-final vs AUS in our second home of UAE, bottled the Asia Cup Final vs a weak SL team, and flattered to deceive in the T20 World Cup. As for developing youngsters - maybe Abdullah Shafique but I'd give Mohammad Yousuf more credit for that.

Misbah developed rizwan. Misbah developed abdullah shafiq. Asif alis heroics were in the 2021 t20 was because misbah kept him in the team. Misbah kep iftikhar that was good enough for t20 like we saw in australia..

Doesnt matter who you give credit when these pkayers themselves claim it was Misbah.

Misbah was the one who recommanded isb united to make shadab captain and than recommand pcb to make him vice captain.

 

[shah_1]

Derbyshire hold the cards regarding this.

If they aren't happy with it and don't agree to any arrangement then there is nothing Mickey can do about it, other than to resign from the Derbyshire role.

If Derbyshire do agree, then it will be very interesting to see how doing the 2 jobs will work.[

How can it exactly work? We have a packed schedule during county season

 

[muqarrab]

I'm not advocating for his return though could prove to be a decent move, but referring to the way he got "chucked out" which is unbecoming of a professional cricket board.

It wouldn't surprise me if he turned down any approach due to the way he was treated.

What do you mean by how he was treated? After 2019 WC he went to press and pretty much said he deserved a renewal. Saqlain may resort to metaphysical to explain his follies, Mickey's attitude towards press was belligerent through out his tenre and it is his white privilege, more than his delusional thinking, that made him think he deserved an extension even with poor results.

his job is to enble the NT to win, not to bring through youngsters, you can enable the NT to win by brining through the youngsters but you can't use brining in the youngsters excuse al the time to justify the lack of results.

 

[TeymurBlake]

Anyone is a improvement on Saqlain right now expect Waqar Younis or Misbah-ul-Haq.

But going back to Mickey will have its positives and negatives, such as bringing back M.Amir but having a solid pool of white ball cricketers.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Mickey Arthur Return Pros:

- Sharjeel would be back into the team (KK connection)

- Mohammad Amir would come back into the T20i squad. Imagine having a bowler of his calibre sitting on the bench, it’ll be healthy competition for the pace bowlers.

- He may bring his own fielding coach, Majid is done.

And, the cons:

- Umar Akmal will be ignored, especially after the recent tweets.

- Shan Masood will take over the captaincy for all 3 formats.

- won’t see any improvements in the Test format.

 

[Markhor]

Misbah developed rizwan. Misbah developed abdullah shafiq. Asif alis heroics were in the 2021 t20 was because misbah kept him in the team. Misbah kep iftikhar that was good enough for t20 like we saw in australia..

Doesnt matter who you give credit when these pkayers themselves claim it was Misbah.

Misbah was the one who recommanded isb united to make shadab captain and than recommand pcb to make him vice captain.

I'm talking about developing young players and you're giving examples of Mohammad Rizwan, Iftikhar Ahmed and Asif Ali ?

Shadab broke into the team under Mickey and Inzamam in 2017. As for Abdullah Shafique - he was mishandled by Misbah. He debuted him in an unsuited format in a T20 series in NZL in 2020 when he wasn't ready for internationals and was dropped. He made his Test debut under Saqlain/Yousuf.

Misbah understood the art of winning Tests in Asia, but developing youngsters was not one of his strengths.

 

[shokz1408]

Would be interesting to see, imagine 2023 odi World Cup Mickey Arthur coaching and Sarfaraz due to excellent form finds himself as captain again. I’d love to see it, I hope Sarfaraz can continue batting well, and is given the opportunity to prove himself in ODIs.

 

[Ami]

Mickey Arthur Return Pros:

- Sharjeel would be back into the team (KK connection)

- Mohammad Amir would come back into the T20i squad. Imagine having a bowler of his calibre sitting on the bench, it’ll be healthy competition for the pace bowlers.

- He may bring his own fielding coach, Majid is done.

And, the cons:

- Umar Akmal will be ignored, especially after the recent tweets.

- Shan Masood will take over the captaincy for all 3 formats.

- won’t see any improvements in the Test format.

All cons.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

All cons.

Glad you agree that not picking Umar is a con.

 

[Major]

I'm talking about developing young players and you're giving examples of Mohammad Rizwan, Iftikhar Ahmed and Asif Ali ?

Shadab broke into the team under Mickey and Inzamam in 2017. As for Abdullah Shafique - he was mishandled by Misbah. He debuted him in an unsuited format in a T20 series in NZL in 2020 when he wasn't ready for internationals and was dropped. He made his Test debut under Saqlain/Yousuf.

Misbah understood the art of winning Tests in Asia, but developing youngsters was not one of his strengths.

Rizwan was still 28 at that time, not really that young, but Misbah as a coach developed his t20 game. He moved him as opener and got him playing shots which he didnt play before.

Doesnt matter if Abdullah Shafiq made his debut under tom dick and harry, when the guy himself says even today that it was Misbahs work that helped him the most. He would get selected and sit with the coach only to be trained.

Also, Misbah was not the u19 or Pakistan A or NCA coach. His job wasn't to develop young cricketers, that something that is done from u19 and NCA. HIs job was to train and guide the selected players irrespect of their age. And he did exactly that.

Shadab wouldn't had gotten a gig with Pakistan team if it werent for Misbah. Misbah got him in for Islamabad United and after a season with that kid he recommanded his name for captiancy. Misbah was infact taking input on field placement of this kid.
He got him in the test squad and it was his recommendations regarding this kid that he got selected. Misbah uptill 2019 was considered as the Godfather of cricket as he had more influence than anybody else and he was able to get Shadab in.

 

[Junaids]

So will Shan Masood or Shadab Khan be the new Test skipper?

If I were Mickey I would choose Shadab, with Shan as his vice-captain.

And my Test team would be:

1. Abdullah Shafique
2. Shan Masood (vc)
3. Mohammad Rizwan
4. Babar Azam
5. Saud Shakeel
6. Sarfraz Ahmed (wk)
7. Shadab Khan (c)
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Sajid Khan (Asia) / Mohammad Wasim (ROW)
10. Naseem Shah
11, Shaheen Shah Afridi

 

[Junaids]

It’s a great time for a new coach, because the ancient dead wood of Misbah / Younis / Azhar / Fawad / Yasir Shah is finally gone.

The only two veterans are Sarfraz and Shan Masood, and both are still good enough to be worthy of a place on merit.

Indeed, selecting Sarfraz enables Rizwan to play as a batsman, which really strengthens the team.

 

[daytrader]

Sethi has also talked about the directions he is going to take with respect to coaching staff of the national team. He has said he is talks with Mickey Arthur, former coach of Pakistan.

“The national coach will be a foreigner,” Sethi once again reiterated.

“Mickey is presently contracted with Derbyshire and I have spoken to him. The situation will become clear in the next 8-10 days and we have sought his advice on the new coaching setup for the team.

“When he (Arthur) was with the team, he did a lot of good work and he was responsible for pushing Babar Azam forward. He also maintained a lot of discipline and fitness in the team. I believe he will be good for the team again if he is available.”

 

[gazza619]

Sethi has also talked about the directions he is going to take with respect to coaching staff of the national team. He has said he is talks with Mickey Arthur, former coach of Pakistan.

“The national coach will be a foreigner,” Sethi once again reiterated.

“Mickey is presently contracted with Derbyshire and I have spoken to him. The situation will become clear in the next 8-10 days and we have sought his advice on the new coaching setup for the team.

“When he (Arthur) was with the team, he did a lot of good work and he was responsible for pushing Babar Azam forward. He also maintained a lot of discipline and fitness in the team. I believe he will be good for the team again if he is available.”

How about we bring in a foreign Chairman? Even better

 

[Shariq7]

How about we bring in a foreign Chairman? Even better

Former Pak players and the media will likely drive out such a person. Remember Wasim Khan?

 

[offstump]

Former Pak players and the media will likely drive out such a person. Remember Wasim Khan?

I think he was being sarcastic. On that note however I think Sethi is on to something. Why not foreign players as well? Grant Australians Pakistani citizenship and get them in the team!

 

[Shariq7]

I think he was being sarcastic. On that note however I think Sethi is on to something. Why not foreign players as well? Grant Australians Pakistani citizenship and get them in the team!

Yeah, I thought I should take the opportunity to convey my contempt for the media.

 

[emranabbas]

How about we bring in a foreign Chairman? Even better

Nothing wrong in bringing in a foreign coach it's normal in cricket around the world

England has brendon mccullum

Many other teams use different coaches from different countries

 

[shamaan]

Separate coaches for the formats.

 

[MenInG]

Inzi speaking to the media

“Wins and defeats are part of the game but Pakistan team’s overall performa*nce under local coaches is satisfactory"

 

[brokenrecord]

Inzi speaking to the media

“Wins and defeats are part of the game but Pakistan team’s overall performa*nce under local coaches is satisfactory"

There haven’t been very many performances that can really be credited to them. Just “qudrat ka nizaam” and a rudderless team playing with a plan they come up in post-match conferences.

 

[Babeikh]

Fair decision from Mickey given he has a stable reliable job and not one where he could literally be sacked at 5 seconds notice at any time.

 

[MenInG]

PakPassion understands that Mickey Arthur has put a schedule together and sent it to Najam Sethi for approval,

He cannot leave Derbyshire but it is possible for him to act in a consulting role to pick a support staff and work full on for 7 months.

 

[shah_1]

PakPassion understands that Mickey Arthur has put a schedule together and sent it to Najam Sethi for approval,

He cannot leave Derbyshire but it is possible for him to act in a consulting role to pick a support staff and work full on for 7 months.

According to other reports, this offer has been rejected by PCB

 

[MenInG]

According to other reports, this offer has been rejected by PCB

PCB release:

The Pakistan Cricket Board today confirmed it has been in talks with former national team head coach Mickey Arthur with a view to appointing him as the head coach to guide the side through to the ACC Asia Cup, ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023, ICC Men’s T20 World Cup 2024 and the ICC Champions Trophy 2025.

However, owing to his long-term contract with Derbyshire, we have also discussed a proposal to act as a consultant to the PCB on a time-sharing basis with Derbyshire. Unfortunately, however, this option is proving difficult to materialise for various reasons on both sides.

Under the circumstances, the PCB will continue its search for the right person to fit the slot of the national team head coach and some top names are already under consideration.

 

[muqarrab]

PCB release:

The Pakistan Cricket Board today confirmed it has been in talks with former national team head coach Mickey Arthur with a view to appointing him as the head coach to guide the side through to the ACC Asia Cup, ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023, ICC Men’s T20 World Cup 2024 and the ICC Champions Trophy 2025.

However, owing to his long-term contract with Derbyshire, we have also discussed a proposal to act as a consultant to the PCB on a time-sharing basis with Derbyshire. Unfortunately, however, this option is proving difficult to materialise for various reasons on both sides.

Under the circumstances, the PCB will continue its search for the right person to fit the slot of the national team head coach and some top names are already under consideration.

We dodged a proper bullet with this. Thankfully.

 

[Markhor]

Good. Mickey shouldn't give PCB time of day after the way he was backstabbed in 2019.

With a change of government and more turmoil expected in PCB, it may have been a short lived deal anyway.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Fully agree — it’s going to look a bit embarrassing if he turns down the Pakistan job for the delights of continuing to coach a second division side in the English county championship …..
I guess PCB chairman have never learned the art of keeping their mouths shut.

Well this is indeed embarrassing.
Perhaps the PCB should have kept their interest quiet until it was clearer it might happen. I guess the Derbyshire gig is more attractive that the ups and downs of Pakistani cricket
I never thought he was a great coach, but he was appallingly treated in his departure — the three man panel assembled to assess his performance included Misbah, who was then appointed coach (and then selector). An inexusable conflict of interest.
Good luck to Arthur — he is way better off staying in the U.K.

 

[ElRaja]

Good. Mickey shouldn't give PCB time of day after the way he was backstabbed in 2019.

With a change of government and more turmoil expected in PCB, it may have been a short lived deal anyway.

pretty much this. no top coach will want to work with Pakistan.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Good. Mickey shouldn't give PCB time of day after the way he was backstabbed in 2019.

With a change of government and more turmoil expected in PCB, it may have been a short lived deal anyway.

The question then arises, which big name do the PCB have in mind?

 

[Bewal Express]

Instead of finding a coach find a guy to take over as the Director of cricket for the national team to pick the team, the captain and any coaches needed. The Director of cricket would set the road map for the national team and type of cricket we should aim to play. We should head hunt a local or a national guy and give him the powers. He should be given a 3 year contract and he must be the foremost cricket thinker( at least if he is a PK) and he doesn't need to have played international cricket but must have played at least domestic cricket.

 

[PakPremi]

Good for Pakistan Mickey not available, was not very good for Pakistan or SriLanka.

 

[Babeikh]

The question then arises, which big name do the PCB have in mind?

It'll be interesting to see for sure. I cannot imagine any serious big name accepting the job, simply because of the lack of stability or confidence in the PCB.

This is why people like Sethi are so short sighted when they do their whole barge into the PCB office and throw Ramiz out thing. It creates an impression that nothing is certain or worth anything and anything and everything can change at a moments notice.

You can change the chairman of the PCB, even after a change in government but it should be a process not a tamasha. People like Sethi want a tamasha, then they also have to accept what impact this will have on their reputation.

 

[ElRaja]

i can already see the future

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Even Mickey Arthur knows whose winning the elections

 

[Plumb]

HAHAHA mentioned it another thread that he will refuse (whatever the excuse been made) Good that PCB get a rejection from him.

 

[Saj]

4 year contract at Derbyshire

6 figure buyout clause at Derbyshire

He had offered a plan to PCB but they said no.

Can't really fault either party as PCB obviously wanted a full-time coach.

 

[Rana]

i can already see the future

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He does have a Pakistani Australian accent

 

[Savak]

4 year contract at Derbyshire

6 figure buyout clause at Derbyshire

He had offered a plan to PCB but they said no.

Can't really fault either party as PCB obviously wanted a full-time coach.

Mickey's badla/revenge with the PCB. The way he was let go in 2019 after he was informed by the Cricket Committee he would be offered a 2 year contract only for the then PTI Govt to intervene and have him removed must really sting him. Even worse is the fact that one of the committee members Misbah replaced him.

Won't be surprised if Mickey Arthur used PCB to negotiate a better deal for himself at Derbyshire. The Derbyshire job is more stable whereas the stint at the PCB would have been completely uncertain.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

4 year contract at Derbyshire

6 figure buyout clause at Derbyshire

He had offered a plan to PCB but they said no.

Can't really fault either party as PCB obviously wanted a full-time coach.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

 

[Saj]

Mickey's badla/revenge with the PCB. The way he was let go in 2019 after he was informed by the Cricket Committee he would be offered a 2 year contract only for the then PTI Govt to intervene and have him removed must really sting him. Even worse is the fact that one of the committee members Misbah replaced him.

Won't be surprised if Mickey Arthur used PCB to negotiate a better deal for himself at Derbyshire. The Derbyshire job is more stable whereas the stint at the PCB would have been completely uncertain.

Don't think it's revenge as he actually offered them a workaround details of which I will share soon.

 

[offstump]

I think this is a blessing in disguise for pakistan. I really hope they can find someone younger who has a deep understanding of analytics and the modern game. Ideally he would come with his own support team of coaches as well.

 

[Savak]

According to a few sports reporters, when Sethi first contacted Mickey Arthur, Arthur ranted to Sethi recalling his past experiences with the PCB in 2019 i.e. he had requested Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan to let him know in advance whether they were moving in a different direction or not during the ODI WC 2019 and both of them gave him assurances that they were going to offer him a fresh two year deal. Then Mickey Arthur appeared before the Cricket Committee and all the Cricket Committee members which included Wasim Akram, Misbah ul Haq assured him that he would be offered a fresh 2 year contract.

Then out of nowhere Wasim Khan contacts him and tells him that the PCB is moving in a different direction and Arthur got angry and berated the PCB for giving him the run around for months and not giving him time to make other alternative arrangements.

Mickey Arthur did his homework and told Sethi that he can't leave his Derbyshire job for the Pakistani team because he has a lucrative 5 year stable job with Derbyshire and also there are no guarantees that Sethi himself will last in the PCB for more than 5-6 months given the political, economic situation in Pakistan. As an alternative he offered to work with the Pakistani team as a consultant where he would come to Pakistan and work with the team whenever he was not busy with Derbyshire. Obviously the PCB worked it out that this arrangement was not going to be effective, fruitful as they needed a proper full time person for Pakistan.

Apparently Justin Langer is now the hot favorite to take over the role.

 

[Khurram1989]

Good luck in Luring Justin Langer. His a hard task master and this would not work with our players with there comfort zones.

 

[Saj]

Here's the information regarding why Mickey Arthur and PCB couldn't reach an agreement on his return as Pakistan Head Coach:

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http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...hahid-Afridi-not-continuing-as-Chief-Selector

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Mickey's badla/revenge with the PCB. The way he was let go in 2019 after he was informed by the Cricket Committee he would be offered a 2 year contract only for the then PTI Govt to intervene and have him removed must really sting him. Even worse is the fact that one of the committee members Misbah replaced him.

Won't be surprised if Mickey Arthur used PCB to negotiate a better deal for himself at Derbyshire. The Derbyshire job is more stable whereas the stint at the PCB would have been completely uncertain.

Even if he didn’t renegotiate with Derby, a four year contract is very unusual in todays world. Having that length of stability whilst raising a family, is ideal.

I can also understand the PCB needing somebody wholly committed to Pakistan cricket. I think Mickey’s plan of working 7 months with Pakistan and 5 months at Derby was a non-starter, because you never really get a break.

I’m disappointed it didn’t happen, because the current group of players is at a higher level than the squad he inherited, when he took over from Waqar in 2015. I think he really could have developed Abdullah Shafique, Saud Shakeel and possibly Hurraira and Saim. But alas.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

According to a few sports reporters, when Sethi first contacted Mickey Arthur, Arthur ranted to Sethi recalling his past experiences with the PCB in 2019 i.e. he had requested Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan to let him know in advance whether they were moving in a different direction or not during the ODI WC 2019 and both of them gave him assurances that they were going to offer him a fresh two year deal. Then Mickey Arthur appeared before the Cricket Committee and all the Cricket Committee members which included Wasim Akram, Misbah ul Haq assured him that he would be offered a fresh 2 year contract.

Then out of nowhere Wasim Khan contacts him and tells him that the PCB is moving in a different direction and Arthur got angry and berated the PCB for giving him the run around for months and not giving him time to make other alternative arrangements.

Mickey Arthur did his homework and told Sethi that he can't leave his Derbyshire job for the Pakistani team because he has a lucrative 5 year stable job with Derbyshire and also there are no guarantees that Sethi himself will last in the PCB for more than 5-6 months given the political, economic situation in Pakistan. As an alternative he offered to work with the Pakistani team as a consultant where he would come to Pakistan and work with the team whenever he was not busy with Derbyshire. Obviously the PCB worked it out that this arrangement was not going to be effective, fruitful as they needed a proper full time person for Pakistan.

Apparently Justin Langer is now the hot favorite to take over the role.

I’m not exactly thrilled about Langer. Similar to Mickey, he would come into the job wanting to prove people wrong. He would also instil a winning culture in the dressing room as well, given how much he hates to lose.

However, and other posters could answer this better, did he truly develop any good young players for Australia. Did he improve players? Were Australia more tactically astute under him? Was the team more than the sum of its parts? Did players play fearlessly under him?

I think it’s fair to say that there are many questions. Langer, for Australia, came across as a full on task master.

Pakistani players respond best to coaches who can be father figures to them, stern and challenging when required, but supportive when needed. They also need somebody who can raise standards and technically improve the players individually. Bob Woolmer 2.0 for e.g. I don’t know if Langer has the empathy to be that guy.

And lastly, how would he respond to the lazy ones? This already affects Haris Sohail, but also potentially Sharjeel, Umar Akmal and Azam Khan as well.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I’m not exactly thrilled about Langer. Similar to Mickey, he would come into the job wanting to prove people wrong. He would also instil a winning culture in the dressing room as well, given how much he hates to lose.

However, and other posters could answer this better, did he truly develop any good young players for Australia. Did he improve players? Were Australia more tactically astute under him? Was the team more than the sum of its parts? Did players play fearlessly under him?

I think it’s fair to say that there are many questions. Langer, for Australia, came across as a full on task master.

Pakistani players respond best to coaches who can be father figures to them, stern and challenging when required, but supportive when needed. They also need somebody who can raise standards and technically improve the players individually. Bob Woolmer 2.0 for e.g. I don’t know if Langer has the empathy to be that guy.

And lastly, how would he respond to the lazy ones? This already affects Haris Sohail, but also potentially Sharjeel, Umar Akmal and Azam Khan as well.

Langer developed players with Western Australia.
But I feel he will be very intense and not sure if Pakistani boys would like that. Those cake celebrations after losses will be tossed to Bin by langer. I feel he will be a very good coach for Pakistan to instil discipline but players will surely revolt with Babar leading the charge.

 

[offstump]

Langer is not the right coach for Pakistan. In fact, I am more concerned about Langer lasting in the role for more than 6 months than I am the Pakistani players. It would end in disaster either way, either with a players’ revolt or Langer saying to hell with this board.

 

[shujaatraza]

With elections this year in Pakistan, the head coach and selectors position are very unreliable. You never know what will happen in August/September.

 

[Suleiman]

Langer is the type of coach this team needs. A hard taskmaster with danda. This Babar guy sometimes is high off his own koolaid and thinks he’s mr tough guy, it shows in his arrogance in media statements at times. Easy to get away with that when you have mr nice guy as coach.

He needs Langer to keep him in check. Moody is a good option too. No more cakes and muffins for scoring 40s and 50s in match losing and stat padding causes.

Win the game or take a hike.

 

[shah_1]

Tom Moody is an ideal coach for Pakistan as he is not part of any IPL team this year. We must give him a good package to lure him.

 

[Justcrazy]

Pakistan need to change there approach both on and off field. No coach can change you unless you change yourself.

 

[Titan24]

Performances under Mickey in test cricket (Which has been an issue currently) especially after MisYou were far from ideal with the two series losses (Only ones in the previous decade in UAE) coming under him against NZ and Srl.

So was far from a savior PCB was thinking him to be...

A lot of decent coaches at international level if thats what PCB is looking for if they scout them rightly with proper research, taking into account where Pakistan team currently stands, in which direction it has to be taken into and who can be the man for that job.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

To convince Langer to stay in Pak to coach the team would be a tough challenge.

Andy flower will be a great option (I would even give coach cum selector position that Misbah held),
they can try their luck with Hayden for head coach ( he might take it)

There are elite coaches who are paid very high like Andy , Langer, Lehmann, Moody, Hesson etc

Also some other set of coaches like Trott , Klusener, Phil Simmons, Jimmy Adams , Russel Domingo, Ottis Gibson, Stuart Law, whose pay grade will be little lower than the others..

Lets see what Sethi can bring in..

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Good luck in Luring Justin Langer. His a hard task master and this would not work with our players with there comfort zones.

They need a hard task master , Langer will cut down all the nonsense and let the team focus on their job...

Rizwans theatrics will be shutdown, no stat pads or celebrations for the same.. He wont keep quiet and tolerate the dramabaaz from anyone... Performing good player will be ease in his eyes, non or under performing players or one who thinks he is doing great will be addressed whats wrong and why their performance is not enough to win matches...

comfort and difficult phases takes a turn in life as it comes one after the other.

 

[Shafi]

They need a hard task master , Langer will cut down all the nonsense and let the team focus on their job...

Rizwans theatrics will be shutdown, no stat pads or celebrations for the same.. He wont keep quiet and tolerate the dramabaaz from anyone... Performing good player will be ease in his eyes, non or under performing players or one who thinks he is doing great will be addressed whats wrong and why their performance is not enough to win matches...

comfort and difficult phases takes a turn in life as it comes one after the other.

True!!! But he will not last not even in a year. Our formers are always there to attack foreign coaches. Saqlain got away will all these things being a local. There is a lot of corruption in team selection and neither Sethi or Shakil are clean people to deal with.

 

[Farah Sohail]

Yesterday, Samaa was reporting thay Ian Pont is one of the contenders for head coach role of Pak.. Ian Pont is a very good fast bowling coach..but if its true that he is being considered for head coaxh role..then on what credentials..is he being considered? Today Pont confirmed he is flying to Pak for 8 days.. hopefully he is just being considered for fast bowling coach and not head coach role as that would not make any sense at all

 

[ask_analyse_act]

True!!! But he will not last not even in a year. Our formers are always there to attack foreign coaches. Saqlain got away will all these things being a local. There is a lot of corruption in team selection and neither Sethi or Shakil are clean people to deal with.

For selections yes, as i always said if pak can select right players for the right format they will be a better team competing with top teams.... As i write here i still see Rizwan being forcefully imposed as ODI no.4 and haris is sitting in the bench...

Atleast they now got Afridi who pinpoint the elephant in the room which is dropping players from other formats where they are good at for their poor performance in another format...

And yes they need big and clean figures like Inzi , Afridi as selectors to shut that door for friendship, sifarishi and chamchas..