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Mickey Arthur remains PCB's first choice as Head Coach

Langer wouldn't last 6 months with the PCB. Would he tolerate sellouts like Sharjeel and Amir to represent the same team as he does? Or sumo wrestlers like Azam and Akmal? It would be a detriment to Langer's health if he takes on a role with the PCB and a waste of money for the PCB.
 
I spoke with someone who knows Langer pretty well and has played under him.

He said that he would be amazed if PCB can get him to become the Head Coach. It would take an extraordinary effort from PCB to get him to agree.
 
Saj said:
I spoke with someone who knows Langer pretty well and has played under him.

He said that he would be amazed if PCB can get him to become the Head Coach. It would take an extraordinary effort from PCB to get him to agree.
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Whats so good about langer? He came across as modern day hard task master with no finesse. We can do without him.

I like what N have done with their appointments, after bracewell, they have gone with coaches who want to take a step up and have gotten their appointments spot on. In fact we can go back to 90s and right from the time of appointing steve rixon, they have gotten their appointments spot on.

We should appoint a NZer to find a coach for us.
 
Is there a chance of Abdul Razzaq becoming coach? He has championship experience.
 
Saj said:
PCB preferred option is an overseas coach.
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Unfortunately it is very hard to see an overseas coach willingly to work with Pakistan after what happened to Mickey Arthur and Bob Woolmer.

Sir Viv Richards may be a good option. In the past, he expressed interest and eagerness to coach Pakistan.
 
Why would any foreign coach want to enter the cesspit that is Pakistan Cricket?
 
Farah Sohail said:
Yesterday, Samaa was reporting thay Ian Pont is one of the contenders for head coach role of Pak.. Ian Pont is a very good fast bowling coach..but if its true that he is being considered for head coaxh role..then on what credentials..is he being considered? Today Pont confirmed he is flying to Pak for 8 days.. hopefully he is just being considered for fast bowling coach and not head coach role as that would not make any sense at all
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He says he's not been invited by PCB.

He's going for a private fast bowlers camp.
 
Saj said:
I spoke with someone who knows Langer pretty well and has played under him.

He said that he would be amazed if PCB can get him to become the Head Coach. It would take an extraordinary effort from PCB to get him to agree.
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Exactly. There’s also always the privilege that top level Aussie and English coaches always come with. We see this less so with Saffers and Kiwi coaches, or a true gentleman, like Bob Woolmer was.

That said, anybody who actually sees beyond the pay check and actually has a true desire to develop players, would love the Pakistan role. You have a young battery of quicks and emerging batsmen from the domestics (Saim, Arafat Minhas, Omair Bin Youssuf, Qasim Akram, even Shafique) to work with. I don’t know if Langer is that guy.
 
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Saj said:
I spoke with someone who knows Langer pretty well and has played under him.

He said that he would be amazed if PCB can get him to become the Head Coach. It would take an extraordinary effort from PCB to get him to agree.
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Langer would have a complete mental breakdown if he was was ever our coach.

He couldnt handle the politics of the Aus dressing room, how will he deal with the politics of Pak Crick (not to mention the vulture journalists)
 
Word is that Sethi is exclusively negotiating with two foreign coaches who were personally recommended by Micky Arthur. Grant Flower is possibly one name but not confirmed.
 
offstump said:
Word is that Sethi is exclusively negotiating with two foreign coaches who were personally recommended by Micky Arthur. Grant Flower is possibly one name but not confirmed.
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Wrong flower brother. He hardly did anything as our batting coach, other then being on sin cycle in the dressing room.
 
We don’t just need a coach. We need a director of cricket role (not miandad) where we can really develop talent from a young age and have a strategy that suits pak cricket for the long term including regional academies and junior level coaches and talent. A coach in isolation is often looking over his shoulder and the constant chopping and changing doesn’t help. Andy flower was great for England and in that role Strauss and Giles followed and were able to work well with whichever coach came along.

Andy flower will be a great addition but would need a lot of powers.
 
This team needs a Langer type coach and someone who gives some much needed tough love to Babar
 
Savak said:
This team needs a Langer type coach and someone who gives some much needed tough love to Babar
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No top level coach is going to join Pakistan.
It will be a third rate coach who can’t get a better gig (even second raters will say no).
That is an inevitability given the toxicity related to hiring and firing and the interference of politicians in cricket matters.
The coaching fraternity is a relatively small group and they all talk to each other — Mickey Arthur will have shared the disgraceful manner of his dismissal.
 
Savak said:
This team needs a Langer type coach and someone who gives some much needed tough love to Babar
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There would be a mutiny amongst some of the players. They wouldn't know what has hit them!
 
Saj said:
There would be a mutiny amongst some of the players. They wouldn't know what has hit them!
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There are definitely quite a few philosophers in this team

Imagine Langer telling them off for being philosophical
 
Langer would put an end to this Twitter crap that some of them have going..especially when they are not in tje playing xi due to injury
 
Though it will never happen, Langer becoming coach of the Pakistan team would be incredible. I imagine he would give quite a tongue lashing to quite a few players. Having seen his management style upfront in The Test documentary series, he comes across as a non-nonsense guy who doesn't hesitate to bluntly tell players how he feels. And his results speak for themselves too. Took Australia out of the doldrums of Sandpapergate and made them the No.1 test team in the world. Also coached them to a T20 World Cup in Asia. Too bad some players were a little too sensitive and couldn't put up with it.

A shame this fantasy will materialize tho.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Langer would have a complete mental breakdown if he was was ever our coach.

He couldnt handle the politics of the Aus dressing room, how will he deal with the politics of Pak Crick (not to mention the vulture journalists)
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That's a misconception. The reality was that the players couldn't handle his intense, no-nonsense management style and turned against him.
 
Rana said:
There are definitely quite a few philosophers in this team

Imagine Langer telling them off for being philosophical
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These guys would go running to their mums in a matter of minutes.

He would sort the men from the boys.
 
muqarrab said:
Langer is a dinosaur, that style of management doesn't work anymore.
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This team needs that dinosaur probably

There is lot of yes Bhai tikay Bhai chai Bhai boys.

He will be like how Sarfraz used to be on the field when captaincy but in the dressing room. Players would stay in the pitch rather going to the dressing room.

Ya some will run to their homes and never return until he goes just like cry baby Amir
 
ask_analyse_act said:
This team needs that dinosaur probably

There is lot of yes Bhai tikay Bhai chai Bhai boys.

He will be like how Sarfraz used to be on the field when captaincy but in the dressing room. Players would stay in the pitch rather going to the dressing room.

Ya some will run to their homes and never return until he goes just like cry baby Amir
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World has moved on buddy. No place for langer's and mourinho.
 
Whilst I’ve been a firm supporter of Babar, it is absolutely clear that this team don’t get angry enough from losing. They are actually one of the most politics free and united dressing rooms I can ever remember Pakistan having.

However, the downside of that is the lack of knowledge in knowing how to ‘win’.

The Italians call it ‘grinta’, basically having the dogged resolve, determination to win.

This is not to say that this team don’t care. They absolutely do. However, when they lose, they take comfort in excuses to get over those setbacks, rather than being bloody minded never to let that setback happen again.

I remember Haris Rauf saying after the India World T20 loss that it’s fine because it was Kohli who hit him for those 6s. That was him deferring to Kohli the great, rather than saying to himself, I WILL NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN TO ME AGAIN.

Look, at the end of the day, it’s talent + mentality + luck that gets you success. Pakistan have enough talent to atleast compete. They now need some of that ‘grinta’ to get over the line a lot more.

That mentality ultimately comes from the captain. And Bobby, as much as I love the lad, ain’t that guy.

However, neither is Shan, who does not merit a place in the team (or squad even).

We can change the captain (Shadab is obvious for white ball), but there is a dearth of leadership in this squad. So the leadership and mentality needs to come from the coaching staff.

This is why mild mannered process coaches like Johan Botha and Grant Flower are NOT the need of the hour.

Thus, PCB really need to move heaven and earth to get a mentality monster like Langer.
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
Whilst I’ve been a firm supporter of Babar, it is absolutely clear that this team don’t get angry enough from losing. They are actually one of the most politics free and united dressing rooms I can ever remember Pakistan having.

However, the downside of that is the lack of knowledge in knowing how to ‘win’.

The Italians call it ‘grinta’, basically having the dogged resolve, determination to win.

This is not to say that this team don’t care. They absolutely do. However, when they lose, they take comfort in excuses to get over those setbacks, rather than being bloody minded never to let that setback happen again.

I remember Haris Rauf saying after the India World T20 loss that it’s fine because it was Kohli who hit him for those 6s. That was him deferring to Kohli the great, rather than saying to himself, I WILL NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN TO ME AGAIN.

Look, at the end of the day, it’s talent + mentality + luck that gets you success. Pakistan have enough talent to atleast compete. They now need some of that ‘grinta’ to get over the line a lot more.

That mentality ultimately comes from the captain. And Bobby, as much as I love the lad, ain’t that guy.

However, neither is Shan, who does not merit a place in the team (or squad even).

We can change the captain (Shadab is obvious for white ball), but there is a dearth of leadership in this squad. So the leadership and mentality needs to come from the coaching staff.

This is why mild mannered process coaches like Johan Botha and Grant Flower are NOT the need of the hour.

Thus, PCB really need to move heaven and earth to get a mentality monster like Langer.
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This is a summary of a very polite, nice nicy, kudrat ka nizam dressing room culture. Players don't hold themselves to high standards, players don't hold themselves accountable and neither does the coaching staff.

I agree a Justin Langer type personality where the coach tells the players exactly what they need to hear is what is needed.
 
There’s nothing the pcb can offer that would entice a coach like langer to come over. We can’t afford him even at half his asking rate, there would be no stability and he’d have to be away from his family for months at a time. Then he has a monumental task of taking a bunch of lazy, out of shape cricketers to the next level. Half of them won’t even understand a word he’s saying. Remember Geoff Lawson? How did that end up?

Miandad was crazy but he definitely didn’t tolerate **. It’s too bad there aren’t any good, qualified, professional coaches in Pakistan. Somehow we thought Saqi was one but turns out he’s nothing more than a glorified spin consultant. It pains me to say it but Pakistan won’t be able to find a good foreign coach.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Yes i would call that dress room politics, regardless you think Pak players can?
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I think that if he hypothetically coaches Pakistan it will be different scenario. There are not alot of strong personalities in the Pakistan dressing room that will stand up to him or question his management style, and the culture is different here. Even if someone questions his style, they will be perceived as weak and incapable of coping with the pressure that a foreign coach has put on them.
 
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Instead of going for a big name we should consider someone who has proven themself with their first class team and are highly respected for their coaching skills.

Somehow we only seem to look for foreign coaches who have already coached an international team.
 
offstump said:
There’s nothing the pcb can offer that would entice a coach like langer to come over. We can’t afford him even at half his asking rate, there would be no stability and he’d have to be away from his family for months at a time. Then he has a monumental task of taking a bunch of lazy, out of shape cricketers to the next level. Half of them won’t even understand a word he’s saying. Remember Geoff Lawson? How did that end up?

Miandad was crazy but he definitely didn’t tolerate **. It’s too bad there aren’t any good, qualified, professional coaches in Pakistan. Somehow we thought Saqi was one but turns out he’s nothing more than a glorified spin consultant. It pains me to say it but Pakistan won’t be able to find a good foreign coach.
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Lol at Saqlain being a spin consultant. Please remind me of one good spinner he groomed and provided to Pakistan
 
offstump said:
There’s nothing the pcb can offer that would entice a coach like langer to come over. We can’t afford him even at half his asking rate, there would be no stability and he’d have to be away from his family for months at a time. Then he has a monumental task of taking a bunch of lazy, out of shape cricketers to the next level. Half of them won’t even understand a word he’s saying. Remember Geoff Lawson? How did that end up?

Miandad was crazy but he definitely didn’t tolerate **. It’s too bad there aren’t any good, qualified, professional coaches in Pakistan. Somehow we thought Saqi was one but turns out he’s nothing more than a glorified spin consultant. It pains me to say it but Pakistan won’t be able to find a good foreign coach.
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You can't compare the stature and pedigree of Geoff Lawson and Justin Langer.

If the PCB can waste $4.3 million on the PJL, surely they can find atleast $500,000 to hire JL. The PCB should try and use their goodwill with Mathew Hayden to their advantage and get him to try and get JL on board.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Though it will never happen, Langer becoming coach of the Pakistan team would be incredible. I imagine he would give quite a tongue lashing to quite a few players. Having seen his management style upfront in The Test documentary series, he comes across as a non-nonsense guy who doesn't hesitate to bluntly tell players how he feels. And his results speak for themselves too. Took Australia out of the doldrums of Sandpapergate and made them the No.1 test team in the world. Also coached them to a T20 World Cup in Asia. Too bad some players were a little too sensitive and couldn't put up with it.

A shame this fantasy will materialize tho.
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Thatis how a coach should be , he needs to tell you truth where exactly you stand. If you want to be on the top , you need to accept your faults and work on them.
 
JL has everything to gain from a Pakistani coaching stint. Being able to make a difference as head coach of the Pakistani team is a big resume booster.
 
Why not try someone like Dinesh Karthik or Uthappa. They might be interested or atleast as consultants. Their analysis of the game is pretty good
 
Ramiz Raja on this topic:

“The on-field performance is reflecting the off-field turbulence, unfortunately"

“While the team already has a coach, you went to Mickey Arthur and openly said Pakistani coaches are rubbish and get involved in politics, so we are going to bring foreign coaches. They went to a foreign coach during a series and eventually the coach said he wasn’t available.

“These things are supposed to happen in-house, behind the scenes, even if you want a change. You do it quietly and give respect to your coach. But when you go against a coach like this, it finishes his passion and drive and the team comes under pressure, which it already was.”
 
MenInG said:
Ramiz Raja on this topic:

“The on-field performance is reflecting the off-field turbulence, unfortunately"

“While the team already has a coach, you went to Mickey Arthur and openly said Pakistani coaches are rubbish and get involved in politics, so we are going to bring foreign coaches. They went to a foreign coach during a series and eventually the coach said he wasn’t available.

“These things are supposed to happen in-house, behind the scenes, even if you want a change. You do it quietly and give respect to your coach. But when you go against a coach like this, it finishes his passion and drive and the team comes under pressure, which it already was.”
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What about the on field performance against:

1. Asia cup
2. 7 match series v England
3. World cup group stages
4. 3 match Test series v England

does that also reflect "off field turbulence" Ramiz?
 
Rana said:
What about the on field performance against:

1. Asia cup
2. 7 match series v England
3. World cup group stages
4. 3 match Test series v England

does that also reflect "off field turbulence" Ramiz?
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You can use classic whataboutism all you like, it’s clear that the off field nonsense hasn’t helped the team in this series.

The point on doing your negotiating behind closed doors is just good business practices. But don’t let that get in the way of your bad faith comments.
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
You can use classic whataboutism all you like, it’s clear that the off field nonsense hasn’t helped the team in this series.

The point on doing your negotiating behind closed doors is just good business practices. But don’t let that get in the way of your bad faith comments.
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It’s clear now? We have been pathetic with performances for quite some time

Did anyone from Sethi’s group stir up theories that the players are not performing because of off field turbulence?

Even so, what are the new regime supposed to do if the performances have been so poor? Just let them continue to go about it as things were going?
 
Savak said:
JL has everything to gain from a Pakistani coaching stint. Being able to make a difference as head coach of the Pakistani team is a big resume booster.
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Exactly. The Pakistan team have this infuriating ‘talented but mercurial’ tag amongst world cricket. Thus actually doesn’t apply to this team. These guys are remarkably consistent against lower quality opposition, unless they’re under genuine pressure against said opposition. They will regularly compete against better teams but end wilting in the bigger moments. They will then take comfort in knowing that they competed against ‘such a big team’.

Langer, as we know, has a lot of professional pride. To turn this lot into a winning team would be a gold star against his name. Because, the one thing this Pakistani squad has is a level of talent. They need regular sections of bloody mindedness and Langer knows that he can provide that.

However, the big question with Langer is his attitude. He’s from that old school of Aussie cricketers who sometimes acted like Asian cricket was beneath them ( unless Indian IPL money is thrown their way). He’ll have to meet the PCB halfway on terms.

But in terms of his own professional pride and the opportunity to work with some raw diamonds, this is the job for him.
 
Rana said:
It’s clear now? We have been pathetic with performances for quite some time

Did anyone from Sethi’s group stir up theories that the players are not performing because of off field turbulence?

Even so, what are the new regime supposed to do if the performances have been so poor? Just let them continue to go about it as things were going?
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It’s basic professionalism to not leak information to the press whilst an active series is happening. We all want change, but atleast have the professionalism to do it behind closed doors.

Why were big statements made about Mickey Arthur when you had zero certainty you’d be able to close the deal? It’s because Sethi is less an able administrator and more a publicity seeker.

It’s why I’m not holding my breath that these guys will get the right coach in. Rameez’s ideas on coaching were outdated, but this regime aren’t exactly improving things, are they?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Why not make Matthew Hayden the coach?
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Because Matthew Hayden has zero coaching credentials.

There is a highly amusing interview with Jarrod Kimber (the Aus crciket writer) who talked about the surprise (and amusement) in Australia when Hayden was appointed as a “mentor” by Pakistan — whilst he was a fine batsman, even in Australia was never seen as a thinker about the game, had never coached and it was unclear what he was bringing to the team.

We really would be scraping the barrel with Hayden — the only criterion he would fulfil is that he is foreign…..
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
It’s basic professionalism to not leak information to the press whilst an active series is happening. We all want change, but atleast have the professionalism to do it behind closed doors.

Why were big statements made about Mickey Arthur when you had zero certainty you’d be able to close the deal? It’s because Sethi is less an able administrator and more a publicity seeker.

It’s why I’m not holding my breath that these guys will get the right coach in. Rameez’s ideas on coaching were outdated, but this regime aren’t exactly improving things, are they?
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The press, public and die hard fans of Pakistan cricket demanded a change, some action. Ramiz and co offered no hope that they take into account that the performances have been poor (at least by the captain) and that they are going to make the changes in order to improve Pakistan cricket.

They knew their time was up and they still went ahead and announced the Test Squad v NZ as if nothing has happened at all. Then there was that reported 'emergency meeting' between Ramiz and his staff in which they were not planning to change Babar or make any important changes until August. People had become sick of this casual, laid back approach at responding to an emergency by the previous PCB in all matters. It got to the point where Ramiz, Saqlain, Babar and co were pretending everything is all good only as a way of getting one over with their critics and journalists who were constantly calling them out. It became a competition for Ramiz, he was the one who wanted to gag the media and ex cricketers from speaking their mind or the truth because he didn't want to look bad.

Sethi being the politician he is knew what the 'Romans wanted' and was doing his best to please the angry masses, and take off a lot of heat that had been generated by the PCB. He gave the media (not directly) the scoop that the PCB are looking for a foreign coach, because thats what the fans and the journalists wanted after 3 years of being frustrated by Misbah, Waqar, Saqlain and Yousuf. He gave them the news that the departments are coming back, because the playing community were at their limits with the pathetic 6 team system. He promised them the return of cricket in Peshawar because the KPK lobby always feels undermined and Ramiz didn't make himself a hero with them.

Sethi and his management have had to do a lot of cleaning up because of the mess created by the previous regime and this is near impossible to be done with everything behind closed doors because the fans, journalists are currently baying for blood! Of course he will tell them that he is going to do what is best for Pakistan cricket and these are the plans/targets
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
It’s basic professionalism to not leak information to the press whilst an active series is happening. We all want change, but atleast have the professionalism to do it behind closed doors.

Why were big statements made about Mickey Arthur when you had zero certainty you’d be able to close the deal? It’s because Sethi is less an able administrator and more a publicity seeker.

It’s why I’m not holding my breath that these guys will get the right coach in. Rameez’s ideas on coaching were outdated, but this regime aren’t exactly improving things, are they?
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Going back to the old status-quo is quite literally the farthest thing from change, which is what Sethi has done and seems to be doing. A person who wants to pretend that we were doing just fine before Wasim and then Ramiz came on is just as delusional, if not more; than a guy like Ramiz.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Going back to the old status-quo is quite literally the farthest thing from change, which is what Sethi has done and seems to be doing. A person who wants to pretend that we were doing just fine before Wasim and then Ramiz came on is just as delusional, if not more; than a guy like Ramiz.
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Exactly. And how can they have appetite for real, discernible change, when they’ll probably be out of the role by November of this year.

Instead, a better use of resources would have been to do a root and branch independent review of the Pakistan team. But that’s not the kind of action that gets media coverage. Pretending to hire Mickey Arthur (and leaking Langer’s name to the media) is what is done.
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
Exactly. And how can they have appetite for real, discernible change, when they’ll probably be out of the role by November of this year.

Instead, a better use of resources would have been to do a root and branch independent review of the Pakistan team. But that’s not the kind of action that gets media coverage. Pretending to hire Mickey Arthur (and leaking Langer’s name to the media) is what is done.
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The amount of stuff they have leaked to the media is just strange. It's like they want to put as much external pressure on the team as possible. So that they do even worse than they have already been doing in recent months. The one positive thing this team had built during the last 6 years or so was unity. But now this lot is intent on destroying that too.

And honestly, I don't know if they are even capable of doing an independent review either. I mean Sethi is fairly well-educated and well-read individual. I would even say that he is a gifted journalist. But what was the first thing he did after coming to power? Create a freaking list of how his previous tenure was better from Ramiz's and post it on Twitter. This is the kind of childish behavior he started his current tenure with.

I think the only thing we can take comfort in is that hey, whoever the new coach is, atleast he will be better than Saqlain. Because I can't imagine too many coaches that would be worse.
 
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I actually don't think that any of the names being floated in the media have a realistic chance of being the next Pakistan coach.

I heard Stephen Fleming being mentioned by someone too. No freakin' way is he giving up his cushy job with CSK where he has to work a few months a year, and go through the trouble of coaching Pakistan.

If are intent on having a foreign coach, more realistic potential options would be names like: Russell Domingo, Richard Pybus, Stuart Law, Lance Klusner, Phil Simmons.
 
Does the ex England team director Andy Flower still coach? He is quite strict and regimented, unafraid of ruffling feathers and creating grudges — so he cannot coach a side for more than 4-5 years successfully before he loses the dressing room — but with the recent Pakistan results, this thunderbolt type approach could work for them in the medium term. He joined English cricket at a low point when the performances were extremely poor and quickly worked wonders.
 
Justin Langer today:

"I don’t think I’ll coach again. No, I don’t think I’ll coach again,” said Langer, who was a highly-successful coach with Western Australia and the Perth Scorchers before taking the national job.

“The craziness is – and it’s really strange in cricket – if you think about a lot of the other codes, the best coaches are a lot older. It doesn’t make sense in cricket.

“I say I’m not going to coach again, but I reckon I’m 10 years off being the best coach I could be. I honestly reckon – because things don’t shock you, things don’t surprise you (the more experienced you get).”
 
So Langer is out of race too.. although there were already very less chances of him agreeing to coach Pak..but he seems to be in no mood to take coaching role anytime soon
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I actually don't think that any of the names being floated in the media have a realistic chance of being the next Pakistan coach.

I heard Stephen Fleming being mentioned by someone too. No freakin' way is he giving up his cushy job with CSK where he has to work a few months a year, and go through the trouble of coaching Pakistan.

If are intent on having a foreign coach, more realistic potential options would be names like: Russell Domingo, Richard Pybus, Stuart Law, Lance Klusner, Phil Simmons.
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Given Langer’s recent comments, I’m afraid that the names you mentioned (+ Johan Botha) are certainly now the realistic options.

Could you perhaps speak to each of the above names actually abilities, how suited they’d be to the Pakistan set up and if they can actually improve the player’s technically and mentally?

I ask because I’m actually not too familiar with their recent work and strengths and weaknesses too much.
 
Pakistan doesn’t offer a lot of money plus the person can get sacked anytime hence no quality coach would be interested in this job
 
shah_1 said:
Pakistan doesn’t offer a lot of money plus the person can get sacked anytime hence no quality coach would be interested in this job
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Simple as that.

Paisa phenk aur naatch dekh situation
 
Andy Flower on this topic:

“At the moment I am enjoying my franchise experiences and I am quite busy at the moment and I am going to stick doing that"

“I think they know that I am busy with franchise cricket at the moment"
 
MenInG said:
Andy Flower on this topic:

“At the moment I am enjoying my franchise experiences and I am quite busy at the moment and I am going to stick doing that"

“I think they know that I am busy with franchise cricket at the moment"
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Good

Keep enjoying

Sochna bhi mana hai for you to be Pakistan coach
 
Officer Barbrady said:
Instead of going for a big name we should consider someone who has proven themself with their first class team and are highly respected for their coaching skills.

Somehow we only seem to look for foreign coaches who have already coached an international team.
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Yes because , the local coaches are very toxic with their desi mentality (likes , dislikes, chamchas backing, friendship, favours , return of favoure, yes bhai, sab tikay, qudrat ka nizam etc) and zero professionalism..

They are just uncles being laid back personal toxic level totally unprofessional..... look at what Aaqib, Waqar , Saqlain, Mushtaq, Misbah did as coaches simply not good enough to be head coaches.. some of them even didnt do well bowling coaches...
 
Rana said:
Good

Keep enjoying

Sochna bhi mana hai for you to be Pakistan coach
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In the words of our PM "Beggars cannot be choosers"

Expect PCB to be after him when he comes in for PSL.
 
Sunny_majoka said:
Seems no one wants to coach Pakistan team.
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They are asking high profile coaches who seems to have a proven track record..

Let them advertise and see who the application are and then also keep approaching their ambitious options without leaking to media..

If they can be half professional , without playing to the gallery.. They can obviously find a good one...There are many out there
 
shah_1 said:
Pakistan doesn’t offer a lot of money plus the person can get sacked anytime hence no quality coach would be interested in this job
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Yep. You'd have to be basically unknown, insane or very available to take the job. None of those categories fit the description of a quality coach.
 
MenInG said:
In the words of our PM "Beggars cannot be choosers"

Expect PCB to be after him when he comes in for PSL.
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If this nutcase becomes the coach of Pakistan whilst Babar, Rizwan and Shan are still available for T20 cricket

I will openly support India the land of my ancestors
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Yes because , the local coaches are very toxic with their desi mentality (likes , dislikes, chamchas backing, friendship, favours , return of favoure, yes bhai, sab tikay, qudrat ka nizam etc) and zero professionalism..

They are just uncles being laid back personal toxic level totally unprofessional..... look at what Aaqib, Waqar , Saqlain, Mushtaq, Misbah did as coaches simply not good enough to be head coaches.. some of them even didnt do well bowling coaches...
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I’m saying look for a foreign coach who has had success with their domestic teams and are highly regarded for it.

Instead of going for a foreign coach who has already coached an international team and is difficult to recruit unless we offer a ridiculously expensive package.
 
Officer Barbrady said:
I’m saying look for a foreign coach who has had success with their domestic teams and are highly regarded for it.

Instead of going for a foreign coach who has already coached an international team and is difficult to recruit unless we offer a ridiculously expensive package.
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This will have to be the way to go.
There is no point in even approaching an even half successful established international coach as they will say no (having laughed about the approach with their friends).
Duncan Fletcher had success with Glamorgan and then became a very successful England coach, winning the 2005 Ashes (the key objective).
Find someone like him who might be willing to try Pakistan for their first international assignment.
 
Jason Gillespie wouldn't be a bad shout if the main targets are not available.
 
I think with the political involvement in our country and the revolving door based on who is the PM will reflect on a foreign coach of decent pedigree taking the job especially this year. What about Abdul Rehman who was the KP coach?
 
Jason Gillespie speaking to PakPassion regarding possibility of taking on the Head Coach role:

"I’ve agreed to an extension with South Australia. Pakistan would be a great gig and something I would certainly look at. However, my family at this point in time has to come first."
 
In the end they will have to pick one of the foreign head coaches available in the PSL or those whoe were a part of domestic team for this season, albeit Paul Nixon.
 
what do you get when taking on the Pakistan gig as an overseas coach

cons

1. Unrealistically high expectations
2. Unrealistically short time scales
3. Probability of government being toppled and your contract being cancelled
4. No systems or processes for player development
5. Living in Pakistan
6. Massive internal player politics
7. A distrust of scientific methods
8. A very shallow pool of talent
9. Rubbish home pitches
10. No support structure
11. A local media waiting for your failure
12. extended periods away from your family

positives
1. Global recognition if you do well in tournaments
2. Potential to work with a small handful of world-class players

so to balance that out you need to provide an out of this world compensation package to attract any global coach, otherwise, all you will get are unproven coaches.

having said that id be very happy if the PCB managed to get Jason Gillespie in as the test match coach, he did really well with yorkshires first class team.
 
By suddenly removing Raja , GOP has made very difficult for PCB to find a new foreign coach for the team. All good international coaches have multiple options now a days and why would they consider Pak team coaching job when they would not know which PCB's chairman they will be working with. Sethi will also be removed if another party wins the elections.
 
MenInG said:
Jason Gillespie speaking to PakPassion regarding possibility of taking on the Head Coach role:

"I’ve agreed to an extension with South Australia. Pakistan would be a great gig and something I would certainly look at. However, my family at this point in time has to come first."
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He is an excellent coach , but doubt he will take the job, hope he does.
 
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