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Mickey Arthur remains PCB's first choice as Head Coach

He is an excellent coach , but doubt he will take the job, hope he does.

Yes he is.

Can't take the job on at the moment, but maybe in future.

He's not going to turn his back on the South Australia job at the moment.
 
Justin Langer today:

"I don’t think I’ll coach again. No, I don’t think I’ll coach again,” said Langer, who was a highly-successful coach with Western Australia and the Perth Scorchers before taking the national job.

“The craziness is – and it’s really strange in cricket – if you think about a lot of the other codes, the best coaches are a lot older. It doesn’t make sense in cricket.

“I say I’m not going to coach again, but I reckon I’m 10 years off being the best coach I could be. I honestly reckon – because things don’t shock you, things don’t surprise you (the more experienced you get).”

Langer wouldn't be a good fit for Pakistan. If he couldn't handle the Australian media, how will he handle the vipers in the Pakistani media ? He complained about leaks from unnamed sources as Australia coach - in Pakistan that's like asking why the wind blows !

I'm all for a tough taskmaster but the Amazon documentary and his subsequent interviews showed he has anger issues. Malcolm Conn, the respected Australian journalist who once worked as the CA's media manager, said he didn't know with Langer whether he'd get "an interview or an explosion."

As [MENTION=56933]ElRaja[/MENTION] mentioned, there's multiple reasons why the Pakistan coaching job is thankless and unattractive. Either stump up a large compensation package or shop around for a younger/second tier coach with something to prove.
 
I think given the lack of quality options, the PCB might have to go back to Mickey Arthur and agree on a consultancy role for him
 
Complete confusion, media is reporting that PCB has renegotiated with Mickey Arthur and he has now accepted the offer?

What is the truth?
 
What a sad state of affairs; no foreign coach wants to coach Pakistan.
 
Ramiz Raja is right about how this whole Mickey thing has been handled:

"Despite the presence of your coach (Saqlain Mushtaq), you went to Mickey Arthur. You openly say that Pakistani coaches are not necessary. You went to a foreign coach while the series was on and that foreign coach eventually said that he is not available."

"These are the talks that happen in-house. If you are against the coach on one end, then his passion-drive diminishes and the team is under pressure because of that."
 
Ramiz Raja is right about how this whole Mickey thing has been handled:

"Despite the presence of your coach (Saqlain Mushtaq), you went to Mickey Arthur. You openly say that Pakistani coaches are not necessary. You went to a foreign coach while the series was on and that foreign coach eventually said that he is not available."

"These are the talks that happen in-house. If you are against the coach on one end, then his passion-drive diminishes and the team is under pressure because of that."

Tbh saqlain has not shown much passion at any stage during his tenure.
 
Tbh saqlain has not shown much passion at any stage during his tenure.

His point is instead of doing the politician thing and acting like village yokels - negotiations of such nature are done behind the scenes - not via public pressers.
 
Ramiz Raja is right about how this whole Mickey thing has been handled:

"Despite the presence of your coach (Saqlain Mushtaq), you went to Mickey Arthur. You openly say that Pakistani coaches are not necessary. You went to a foreign coach while the series was on and that foreign coach eventually said that he is not available."

"These are the talks that happen in-house. If you are against the coach on one end, then his passion-drive diminishes and the team is under pressure because of that."

rich coming from a guy who purposely asked the coach contracted to be at the world t20, to not come fro the series.... And than getting the CEO to talk to Misbah to resign......
 
Complete confusion, media is reporting that PCB has renegotiated with Mickey Arthur and he has now accepted the offer?

What is the truth?

I asked a source very close to Mickey and he says it's not true and just some media trying to create stories and confusion.
 
Ramiz Raja is right about how this whole Mickey thing has been handled:

"Despite the presence of your coach (Saqlain Mushtaq), you went to Mickey Arthur. You openly say that Pakistani coaches are not necessary. You went to a foreign coach while the series was on and that foreign coach eventually said that he is not available."

"These are the talks that happen in-house. If you are against the coach on one end, then his passion-drive diminishes and the team is under pressure because of that."

Ramiz himself failed to hire full time Head coach & Fielding coach in his entire tenure and now he is publicly questioning PCB.
Ramiz has just been removed from PCB's top position and as a professional he shouldn't give public statements for 1 year or at least 6 months. I don't understand why Ramiz is giving public statements on PCB's affairs every other day
 
I asked a source very close to Mickey and he says it's not true and just some media trying to create stories and confusion.

Would Mickey be interested in a part time consulting gig with Pakistan if the PCB fails to get a good name? I don't think the PCB will have a choice then because going back to the same TTF Pakistani coaches will be madness.

Any idea about the names he suggested to Sethi?
 
Ramiz himself failed to hire full time Head coach & Fielding coach in his entire tenure and now he is publicly questioning PCB.
Ramiz has just been removed from PCB's top position and as a professional he shouldn't give public statements for 1 year or at least 6 months. I don't understand why Ramiz is giving public statements on PCB's affairs every other day

Why he cannot express his opinion ?
 
This is what I wrote in December on this topic. That was almost a month ago and still I believe that our best bet is to look for a good tier two coach from County Cricket or South African or Australian domestic setup. There is no way we are going to be able to come across as an attractive opportunity for a tier one coach.

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The real challenge is that the tier-1 coaches that are really established and are very good at their trades are probably not interested in working with Cricket board like PCB. They make equal or perhaps more money working with the IPL and some other T20 league and working for less than 6 months a year then they would with working with PCB for one full year.

Another big challenge is how the Pakistani x cricketers tend to go after foreign coaches with the help of Karachi media mafia. Every single strategic decision of the foreign coach is criticized over and over again and then the matters of the foreign coach going back to see his family is discussed over and over again along with the the salary and other compensation benefits. So keeping that in mind why would a tier one foreign coach be interested in working with PCB, That is beyond me.

An ideal world we should go for an Australian coach, they have absolutely no nonsense approach towards Cricket and our cricketers no matter how good cricketers they are they tend to respect Australians and can produce good results under them.

I would love to get Justin langer who probably would cost a lot of money but you have to also consider that he has something to prove now after he got sacked by Australian cricket board (this would be ironic because we got Mickey Arthur couple of years after he too was sacked by the Australian cricket board and he seemed very determined to give good results with his next big assignment). So getting Justin would be really awesome.


But there is still hope, PCB should focus on highly talented and driven tier 2 foreign coaches (these would not be the big cricketers in their playing days (unlike Pointing, Justin, Moody, Fleming, flower) but these guys would still have very good skills that can be utilized with the Pakistani talented cricketers to produce some good results.

There are two challenges that I see going for such coach,

Number one recruiting them would require PCB to spend a lot of time and energy and analyzing the performances of these coaches on their current assignments and I don't see PCB as an organization that will make the effort that is required to recruit these guys because PCB likely will not do the hard work of reviewing such candidates.

Second reason PCB is less likely to go for these slightly less known coaches is because they are ****ing afraid of how their own country media will treat them and they will make an issue by painting this (PCB going for a less known international coach) as a failure of PCB so just so that they don't get that treatment from Pakistani media they are less likely to go for it.

I personally would not mind a lesser known foreign coach to be involved in Pakistani setup, In case PCBs unable to get Justin or flower or any other big name.
 
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As I said before the coaches will not make any tangible difference. We need the best mind in PK cricket to become the Director of cricket and give him the power to decide the strategy, appoint any coaches needed, and most importantly get a captain to buy into his philosophy and be positive with our cricket.
 
Pakistan is a country that only sees white people as the real foreign coaches sadly. Phil Simmons and Chandika Hathurusingha have proven record as head coaches but I doubt PCB would even consider them.
 
Ramiz himself failed to hire full time Head coach & Fielding coach in his entire tenure and now he is publicly questioning PCB.
Ramiz has just been removed from PCB's top position and as a professional he shouldn't give public statements for 1 year or at least 6 months. I don't understand why Ramiz is giving public statements on PCB's affairs every other day

I was surprised , because Rameez was the man who convinced Bob Woolmer as coach , and now he was employing very low quality coaches.
 
Pakistan is a country that only sees white people as the real foreign coaches sadly. Phil Simmons and Chandika Hathurusingha have proven record as head coaches but I doubt PCB would even consider them.

Hathurasinghe would be ideal coach , he knows the job , and how to work in background . He is like Chandrakant Pandit. PCB if they have iota of sense would have approcahed him.
 
Given Langer’s recent comments, I’m afraid that the names you mentioned (+ Johan Botha) are certainly now the realistic options.

Could you perhaps speak to each of the above names actually abilities, how suited they’d be to the Pakistan set up and if they can actually improve the player’s technically and mentally?

I ask because I’m actually not too familiar with their recent work and strengths and weaknesses too much.

They are all decent coaches with fairly okay experience. None of them have anything especially significant on their resume.

I don't think Stuart Law would be part of this list. He is coaching Bangladesh U-19s. As for the others...

Domingo started off as Gary Kirsten's assistant coach during Kirsten's stint as head-coach of South Africa. He was promoted to head-coach after Kirsten's departure but relegated within the set-up after Ottis Gibson came on. After that he became head-coach of Bangladesh until last year when he resigned.

Pybus coached Pakistan multiple times between 1999 and the early 2000s and had one stint as Bangladesh head coach too. He has spent most of his career coaching South African domestic teams and currently serves as West Indies director of cricket.

Klusner has mostly had stints as batting and bowling coach for smaller teams like Zimbabwe, Afghanistan. He is more of a small-time coach and I don't think he has been head-coach anywhere.

Simmons has served as head-coach of Zimbabwe, Ireland, West Indies (twice). His biggest achievement is probably coaching West Indies to a WT20 win in 2016.

Stuart Law has coached West Indies and Bangladesh. He was Afghanistan's interim coach earlier last year.


To be honest, none of these names are great options. And after thinking about it a bit more, I'd say we would be better off approaching Graham Ford, Jason Gillespie, Simon Katich or some Australian domestic cricket coach.
 
I think the best (and realistic options) would be Graham Ford, Jason Gillespie, Simon Katich or some Australian domestic cricket coach.

Graham Ford has had successful stints as head-coach of South Africa and Sri Lanka. His last stint was with Ireland. Fairly experienced guy who has coached at the highest level.

Katich is more of a franchise coach. And it might be tough to get him away from his IPL and IPL lite jobs. But its not impossible because he's not an established name and a Pakistan head-coach job is a good way to build to coaching resume.

Gillespie might be the best option. He has more at the domestic level in England and Australia with stints as head-coach of Yorkshire, Sussex and South Australia, where he currently coaches. Has also played a role in elevating Papua New Guinea's cricket at the grassroots level. He reputation as a coach is pretty good and he is fairly young too.

You could try Boucher as well. He might go for it to reestablish his reputation. Which isn't in a great place after the SJN hearings and South Africa's performances in the last few years.
 
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I will repeat what I wrote in another thread

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Firstly we need a selection committee not an advisory committee for the captain! They need to provide the best players we have - once they start doing that job, then you can get the best Coach money can buy and get him to make the players reach heights.

If you give garbage players to a Coach you are paying millions then

1. He will get disillusioned
2. Media will go after him and start mentioning salaries
3. He will leave and no one else will take his place because of above.
 
Looking for only few well known names who work in T20 leagues as well alongside other commitments is just trying to cut the work short and its not working.

There must be plenty of coaches in the cricketing circuit who can be a fit for the role the current Pakistan team needs but for that PCB needs to scout in a better way rather then just restricting them to few names. Agreed with [MENTION=379]Bouncer[/MENTION] on quite a few fronts.

Further in the long run the domestic circuit should be such that even the coaches development is trustworthy as we are seeing that with Aus, NZ, Ind, Eng (Until recently), SA all have their locally developed coaches. This just gives you more options if the other internationally well known names are not available.
 
I think the best (and realistic options) would be Graham Ford, Jason Gillespie, Simon Katich or some Australian domestic cricket coach.

Graham Ford has had successful stints as head-coach of South Africa and Sri Lanka. His last stint was with Ireland. Fairly experienced guy who has coached at the highest level.

Katich is more of a franchise coach. And it might be tough to get him away from his IPL and IPL lite jobs. But its not impossible because he's not an established name and a Pakistan head-coach job is a good way to build to coaching resume.

Gillespie might be the best option. He has more at the domestic level in England and Australia with stints as head-coach of Yorkshire, Sussex and South Australia, where he currently coaches. Has also played a role in elevating Papua New Guinea's cricket at the grassroots level. He reputation as a coach is pretty good and he is fairly young too.

You could try Boucher as well. He might go for it to reestablish his reputation. Which isn't in a great place after the SJN hearings and South Africa's performances in the last few years.

Rumors (Like plenty others) have been that Jason Gillespie was approached but, he is not available.
 
Why he cannot express his opinion ?

If someone is professional his actions must speak louder than words. I have never seen ex chairman of any board giving public statements like Ramiz. As I said in my earlier post, Ramiz was in office as Chairman PCB for more than 1 year and he had an opportunity to hire better coach but he failed and he must have understood the challenges PCB is facing. What is the purpose of ranting on social media now? There is nothing hidden from Saqlain, he knows very well since many months that he will be replaced whenever PCB gets new foreign coach.
 
Rumors (Like plenty others) have been that Jason Gillespie was approached but, he is not available.

Pls see

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The thing about pcb that "we want only foreign coach" is downright insulting to anyone who is a pakistani and can coach. You can not do that , you want an imported captain shan masood who has captained some english dimestic sides and despite poor performace he is being tried to fit into captains role. We will go after foreign coaches and many of them will respectfully decline of even if someone wants to come they will be very expensive and may not always be available.

When foreign coaches were here ,didnt we have any understudy who could have learnt from the head coach and later fill in the role? If we want any foreign coaches, our best bet is someone from south africa.
 
I'd give it to Viv or Sammy personally. Out of the box but they have the swagger to carry it off.
 
By suddenly removing Raja , GOP has made very difficult for PCB to find a new foreign coach for the team. All good international coaches have multiple options now a days and why would they consider Pak team coaching job when they would not know which PCB's chairman they will be working with. Sethi will also be removed if another party wins the elections.

Ramiz wouldn't sack Saqlain unless Saqlain wanted which was unlikely.
 
I think the best (and realistic options) would be Graham Ford, Jason Gillespie, Simon Katich or some Australian domestic cricket coach.

Graham Ford has had successful stints as head-coach of South Africa and Sri Lanka. His last stint was with Ireland. Fairly experienced guy who has coached at the highest level.

Katich is more of a franchise coach. And it might be tough to get him away from his IPL and IPL lite jobs. But its not impossible because he's not an established name and a Pakistan head-coach job is a good way to build to coaching resume.

Gillespie might be the best option. He has more at the domestic level in England and Australia with stints as head-coach of Yorkshire, Sussex and South Australia, where he currently coaches. Has also played a role in elevating Papua New Guinea's cricket at the grassroots level. He reputation as a coach is pretty good and he is fairly young too.

You could try Boucher as well. He might go for it to reestablish his reputation. Which isn't in a great place after the SJN hearings and South Africa's performances in the last few years.


Thanks for the background on the suggested names.

The PCB need to decide what they want from a coach. Is he just coaching existing players? Is he developing younger players? What is his man management style? What are his technical abilities? Is there a vision, a strategy for what they want the Pakistan team to play like?

It would be retrograde to just ‘get a name in’. I’d be completely fine for a lesser name, as long as he’s a good fit.

I think a good example is the Middlesex coach who just recently led the Central Punjab lads to the Pakistan Cup. We all saw how well Usama Mir, Zafar Gohar and Qasim Akram shone under him.

That’s the type of progressive coach I can get behind.
 
Give coaching to someone who retired recently like england did with brendon
Maybe try to rope in a good tactician
For example hafeez i think can be a good selector
As someone pointed out maybe morgan can be a loi coach
Maybe jayawardena can be batting consultant
 
Seems like coaching Pakistan team is at the very bottom for the best available names out there. People are preferring franchise coaching, county coaching and Australia domestic coaching over Pakistan national team. Factors like pay, difficult life in Pakistan and Pakistan cricket politics also contribute to the decision making.
With general elections this year and possibility of government change might also be a factor.
 
PCB will have to open it uts coffers, any world class coach will be cost dough. Can't find the next andy flower on bargain unless youd o some serios scouting, which we are not capable of.

What about haveing a director of cricket and bringing people like abdul rehman to the fold. He has done well wherever he has performed.
 
There are some reports on twitter that PCB has approached Waqar Younis for bowling coach and/or a role in selection commitee.. totally disaster, it would be ..if true
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Not sure where the reports of Waqar Younis being offered the Pakistan Bowling Coach role are coming from:<br><br>There has been no offer made to him<br>Highly unlikely he would accept the role even if any offer was made<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1615044445514121216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 16, 2023</a></blockquote>
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There is a fairly easy way to do this.

Assuming Sethi is mature enough to forget past differences:

1. Appoint Mickey Arthur as Managing Director, Mens National Team.

2. Health permitting, appoint Steve Rixon as Head Coach, Mens National Team.

3. Appoint someone young and emerging like Simon Katich as Assistant Coach, Mens National Team.

This would minimise the impact of Arthur being in England April to September each year.
 
There is a fairly easy way to do this.

Assuming Sethi is mature enough to forget past differences:

1. Appoint Mickey Arthur as Managing Director, Mens National Team.

2. Health permitting, appoint Steve Rixon as Head Coach, Mens National Team.

3. Appoint someone young and emerging like Simon Katich as Assistant Coach, Mens National Team.

This would minimise the impact of Arthur being in England April to September each year.

Excellent idea. Worth a try for sure - could create a structure which could stand the test of time. All Sethi needs to do is to keep his pesky friends in Pak media off the case of any new appointee (and their salaries) and we will be good.
 
Rashid Latif showed a chart which showed that Australia pays its head coach $1.75 million per year and India pays $1.17 million per year. England is paying Mccullam close to $800,000 per year. Sri Lanka is paying Silverwood close to $500,000 per year.

Pakistan was no where close to being competitive with $250,000 per year.

Latif stated that the PCB officials needed to change their mindset and offer a competitive pay to a top tier coach and view the expenditure as a long term investment which will pay off big time in terms of improvement in the players, tactics, team performance and transfer of coaching techniques, methods, processes. PCB sits at number 4 in the ICC revenue table and has the funds to increase the budget for the top tier coaches.

I agree with Latif, if the PCB can spend $4.3 million on the PJL, surely they can spend 20% of that amount on a top tier coach.
 
Rashid Latif showed a chart which showed that Australia pays its head coach $1.75 million per year and India pays $1.17 million per year. England is paying Mccullam close to $800,000 per year. Sri Lanka is paying Silverwood close to $500,000 per year.

Pakistan was no where close to being competitive with $250,000 per year.

Latif stated that the PCB officials needed to change their mindset and offer a competitive pay to a top tier coach and view the expenditure as a long term investment which will pay off big time in terms of improvement in the players, tactics, team performance and transfer of coaching techniques, methods, processes. PCB sits at number 4 in the ICC revenue table and has the funds to increase the budget for the top tier coaches.

I agree with Latif, if the PCB can spend $4.3 million on the PJL, surely they can spend 20% of that amount on a top tier coach.

As I said earlier if foreign coach is paid in millions the ex cricketers and journalists will put his head on the stake and finish him off.
 
Rashid Latif showed a chart which showed that Australia pays its head coach $1.75 million per year and India pays $1.17 million per year. England is paying Mccullam close to $800,000 per year. Sri Lanka is paying Silverwood close to $500,000 per year.

Pakistan was no where close to being competitive with $250,000 per year.

Latif stated that the PCB officials needed to change their mindset and offer a competitive pay to a top tier coach and view the expenditure as a long term investment which will pay off big time in terms of improvement in the players, tactics, team performance and transfer of coaching techniques, methods, processes. PCB sits at number 4 in the ICC revenue table and has the funds to increase the budget for the top tier coaches.

I agree with Latif, if the PCB can spend $4.3 million on the PJL, surely they can spend 20% of that amount on a top tier coach.

Good info and I think you are right on the cost of hiring top drawer, established talent.

If Pakistan - for whatever reasons- want to get a FT international coach for <500k they'll need to adjust their sights. Scour County, Shield or Ranji for an ambitious young coach- one ready to take the step up and with the talent to be a success, but not yet commanding top dollar. Many, many football sides are succesful with this approach when the top 2-3 coaches are locked up or priced out of their market.

The other option is to get a proven international coach like Simmons, who will work for the 250/300k mentioned and is a good coach with some solid results behind him, great experience and has shown a willingness to live and work all around the world. Some of these coaches will only come to Pakistan for above their normal amounts because of their perceptions of living and working in a developing nation + taking their family there. Coaches with a broader mindset or experience need to be targeted. Guys like Langer are not that guy.
 
Pls see

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jason Gillespie "I’ve agreed to an extension with South Australia. Pakistan Head Coach would be a great gig and something I would certainly look at. But my family at this point in time has to come first" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1614593898688696320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2023</a></blockquote>
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Thanks.

So he is not available as well and its officially confirmed now.
 
Some bad news is coming up guys. Its either::

Waqar is returning as
1. bowling coach
2. chief selector
3. head coach (may be)
 
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Some bad news is coming up guys. Its either::

Waqar is returning as
1. bowling coach
2. chief selector
3. head coach (may be)

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Wasim Akram in an interview

"If you had asked me, I would have told you that foreign coaches will not come; everyone is afraid that the contract will also end if the board changes. If you are not getting a foreign coach, get the services of a Pakistan, the reason for the decline in the performance graph of fast bowlers is T20 cricket,"
 
Wasim Akram in an interview

"If you had asked me, I would have told you that foreign coaches will not come; everyone is afraid that the contract will also end if the board changes. If you are not getting a foreign coach, get the services of a Pakistan, the reason for the decline in the performance graph of fast bowlers is T20 cricket,"

Another poor analysis

Foreign coaches are not stupid. They will have a 2-3 year contract and will get every pennies worth of it if they are sacked before the contract expires. It most likely will be paid in full to the agent or there will be serious consequences if the contract isn’t fully paid out.

Any foreign coach could care less about the political situation of the country as long as they secure the full bag.
 
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Seems like the media is just making up news to make up for the fact that there is no news.
 
Thanks for the background on the suggested names.

The PCB need to decide what they want from a coach. Is he just coaching existing players? Is he developing younger players? What is his man management style? What are his technical abilities? Is there a vision, a strategy for what they want the Pakistan team to play like?

It would be retrograde to just ‘get a name in’. I’d be completely fine for a lesser name, as long as he’s a good fit.

I think a good example is the Middlesex coach who just recently led the Central Punjab lads to the Pakistan Cup. We all saw how well Usama Mir, Zafar Gohar and Qasim Akram shone under him.

That’s the type of progressive coach I can get behind.

Yeah I mean that is the state of affairs here. No real direction or vision in place. The least PCB could do is copy others and put a proper structure in-place. With a board of selectors, coach, assistant coach. Why is it that we never have an assistant coach? I imagine that the succession process would become far easier if a competent assistant coach was also appointed when a foreign coach is appointed.

But then again, when your board is more fixated with playing political games, feeding lies and rumors to the media, changing the domestic structure every few years and posting poorly designed lists on Twitter, then this is what you get.
 
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Brilliant news

Hopefully Misbah also gives us the great news that he isnt interested.
 
Pakistan really stepped off the gas the day Mickey was dropped and a new regime/mindset took over

They have fallen behind in everything since whilst others have continued to advance

Our cricket became stagnant and started to regress+ our sway in the international coaching market has completely lost its charm

Pakistan will have to break the bank here and change the perception.
 
If you don't pay good money no Foreign will come.
Shaoib Akhtar as Chief Selector.
 
It's harder now for countries like Pakistan to get the best coaches due to the uncertainty at PCB and also guys wanting to focus on T20 leagues.
 
It's harder now for countries like Pakistan to get the best coaches due to the uncertainty at PCB and also guys wanting to focus on T20 leagues.

Look at how Chelsea fc functioned under Abromovic. He was the kind of guy who would sack a manager the year after they won the Champion’s league or premier league if they didn’t maintain the results. It didn’t stop the world’s best coaches to still secure the Chelsea job.

As long as the contracts are iron clad and the manager/coach will get his full dues even if there is an early sacking, it shouldn’t stop attracting the manager

We are just not paying the right money, that’s the honest truth
 
Look at how Chelsea fc functioned under Abromovic. He was the kind of guy who would sack a manager the year after they won the Champion’s league or premier league if they didn’t maintain the results. It didn’t stop the world’s best coaches to still secure the Chelsea job.

As long as the contracts are iron clad and the manager/coach will get his full dues even if there is an early sacking, it shouldn’t stop attracting the manager

We are just not paying the right money, that’s the honest truth

There's a big difference between Chelsea and the PCB.
 
It's harder now for countries like Pakistan to get the best coaches due to the uncertainty at PCB and also guys wanting to focus on T20 leagues.

Like Rashid Latif said, you pay peanuts then expect monkeys. Pay the right amount i.e. $1 million plus and see people applying.
 
Like Rashid Latif said, you pay peanuts then expect monkeys. Pay the right amount i.e. $1 million plus and see people applying.

And then the media will go after the poor foreign coach....like they did with Wasim Khan.
 
Like Rashid Latif said, you pay peanuts then expect monkeys. Pay the right amount i.e. $1 million plus and see people applying.

$1m is the ball park figure for established big board jobs such as ECB, CA and BCCI

Pakistan will have to go 50% to double that offer because of its lower status and developing country issues.

You will also have to go 50% in terms of price more for the support staff of that coach.

You will need a budget of $3-4m a year for a world class coaching staff. Ramiz wasted that kind of money on PJL
 
I will repeat what I said elsewhere. There is NO point getting an elite coach for the national side when the players given to him are NOT the best we have.

The rot starts at the selection committee level. Fix that and results will flow.
 
And then the media will go after the poor foreign coach....like they did with Wasim Khan.

The media can go after who they want. It’s freedom of speech. You’ve got to deliver

Pakistan cricket is the colosseum, and the players, coaches, performers are the gladiators.
 
I will repeat what I said elsewhere. There is NO point getting an elite coach for the national side when the players given to him are NOT the best we have.

The rot starts at the selection committee level. Fix that and results will flow.

Let’s see if this is actually true once we have that elite coach. They are not going to be stupid and invest in rubbish players
 
And then the media will go after the poor foreign coach....like they did with Wasim Khan.

Wasim Khan was an incompetent failure. One pathetic decision after the other.

If a foreign coach is clueless the media has the right to go after him. He will not get a red carpet welcome & preferential treatment because he is a foreigner.

This is the biggest problem with foreign coaches. They think they are doing a favor by working with PCB & have a sense of entitlement. A bit of criticism & they start crying.
 
Wasim Khan was an incompetent failure. One pathetic decision after the other.

If a foreign coach is clueless the media has the right to go after him. He will not get a red carpet welcome & preferential treatment because he is a foreigner.

This is the biggest problem with foreign coaches. They think they are doing a favor by working with PCB & have a sense of entitlement. A bit of criticism & they start crying.

Your rants against Wasim Khan are tiresome, facts show that he and Ehsan Mani were more competent than Ramiz Raja whose list of pathetic decisions and financial losses to the PCB outweight his predecessors.
 
Your rants against Wasim Khan are tiresome, facts show that he and Ehsan Mani were more competent than Ramiz Raja whose list of pathetic decisions and financial losses to the PCB outweight his predecessors.

Ehsan Mani was a senile man who hid behind Wasim throughout his tenure. Wasim destroyed Pakistan cricket.

Ramiz was not good enough to turnaround the damage caused by Wasim, but Pakistan cricket is now in safe hands again so we should expect that things will be in better shape 12-18 months from now.

The embarrassing performances of the Test team in 2022 is the outcome of the domestic reforms introduced in 2019. It took Pakistan cricket backwards.

The way he allowed Misbah to decide Arthur’s future, then made Misbah both coach & selector before getting a new selector was an example of how clueless Wasim was & had no plan.

He also botched PSL 2021 in the pandemic & he should be tried for financial corruption because he claimed that PCB signed a Rs. 200m deal with PTV but that turned out to be a lie.

Wasim was the worst thing that happened to PCB in a long time & I am glad Ramiz asked him to leave immediately after taking office.
 
There is a fairly easy way to do this.

Assuming Sethi is mature enough to forget past differences:

1. Appoint Mickey Arthur as Managing Director, Mens National Team.

2. Health permitting, appoint Steve Rixon as Head Coach, Mens National Team.

3. Appoint someone young and emerging like Simon Katich as Assistant Coach, Mens National Team.

This would minimise the impact of Arthur being in England April to September each year.
That is a lot of money.

The amount of money these 3 would demand every year, we could hire or train 30 coaches at grass-root level.
 
Wasim Khan was an incompetent failure. One pathetic decision after the other.

If a foreign coach is clueless the media has the right to go after him. He will not get a red carpet welcome & preferential treatment because he is a foreigner.

This is the biggest problem with foreign coaches. They think they are doing a favor by working with PCB & have a sense of entitlement. A bit of criticism & they start crying.

Wasim being good or bad isn't the point here, although ICC must have seen something to hire him as their general manager.

The fact is that the Pakistani journalists didn't even give him a chance and went after him right from the very first day due to his English passport and him drawing a large salary.
 
SA has elevated their domestic coaches to 4 year contract

Infamous coaches in intl arena, Shukri Conrad and Rob Walter..

Pakistan with peanuts as pay should find something similar , obviously not in Pak domestic ..

Best place to search is in Aus or Eng domestics...
 
SA has elevated their domestic coaches to 4 year contract

Infamous coaches in intl arena, Shukri Conrad and Rob Walter..

Pakistan with peanuts as pay should find something similar , obviously not in Pak domestic ..

Best place to search is in Aus or Eng domestics...

People won’t like this, but one of the best domestic coaches we have was Mohammad Wasim. People will conflate his performance as Chief Selector Vs his actual coaching ability, but he developed and brought through many players at Northern.

As long as the selection committee can give a give squad, Mohammad Wasim has the coaching credibility to do well.

However l, I appreciate that realistically this won’t happen.
 
People won’t like this, but one of the best domestic coaches we have was Mohammad Wasim. People will conflate his performance as Chief Selector Vs his actual coaching ability, but he developed and brought through many players at Northern.

As long as the selection committee can give a give squad, Mohammad Wasim has the coaching credibility to do well.

However l, I appreciate that realistically this won’t happen.

The most disturbing aspect of Mohd Wasim's stint as CS showed that he was a shameless compromiser. He was a dummy CS but he sat content taking a high salary then resign for being toothless. He showed the same thing as an analyst during PTV sports where early on he had his own original thoughts which were enjoyable and insightful but later on he clearly showed signs he compromised to toe Dr Nauman's line in order to save his job.

He is unfortunately no different to the dinosaurs we have had in the PCB Set up for ages.
 
SA has elevated their domestic coaches to 4 year contract

Infamous coaches in intl arena, Shukri Conrad and Rob Walter..

Pakistan with peanuts as pay should find something similar , obviously not in Pak domestic ..

Best place to search is in Aus or Eng domestics...

Abdul Rehman
 
Some interesting stuff in this article

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Since Najam Sethi took over as the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief, the game has seen several changes in the country. While several office-bearers of the previous regime has been shown the door, the team also has a new selection panel led by Shahid Afridi. The PCB also wanted to hire celebrated coach Mickey Arthur to guide the national team. However, according to reports, Arthur is not coming because of the unreliable environment in Pakistan cricket, something which he has experienced in the past.

Pakistan pace great Wasim Akram has now opened up on the issue of foreign coaches refusing to come to Pakistan.

"If you had asked me, I would have told you that foreign coaches will not come; everyone is afraid that the contract will also end if the board changes. If you are not getting a foreign coach, get the services of a Pakistan coach," Akram was quoted as saying by a media outlet.

According to news agency PTI, Arthur was apprehensive about coming to Pakistan. "The truth is when the PCB Chairman, Najam Sethi opened talks with him and told him to rejoin as the head coach, Arthur said while he would very much like to work in Pakistan cricket again he had not had pleasant experiences in the past with the board," a source told PTI.

"Arthur told Sethi that the PCB management led by Ehsan Mani during the World Cup in 2019 had assured him his contract would be extended. But after Pakistan didn't make the semi-finals despite winning four matches on a trot his contract was not honoured.

"Secondly Arthur also had apprehensions that even if he ended his long term contract with Derbyshire with mutual agreement and decided to come to Pakistan there was no guarantee his contract would be honoured given the environment in Pakistan cricket."

The source said Arthur had told Sethi he would however be willing to work as a consultant with the Pakistan board and also frequently visit the country.

"But eventually this consultancy arrangement didn't suit the PCB so talks fell through and Mickey is not going to be involved with Pakistan cricket." Arthur was brought in as head coach in 2016 when Sethi was in the board and worked until 2019 when his contract was not extended by the management headed by Ehsan Mani.

NDTV
 
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According to The news paper

Shoaib Akthar might be new bowling coach
 
As per reports Kamran Akmal or Shoaib Akhter will be Chief Selector.
 
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Can not actually believe that Akthar is given such a senior role.

Motormouths should be kept away but it'll be entertaining to see him do the role as an outsider.
 
As per reports Kamran Akmal or Shoaib Akhter will be Chief Selector.

Hahhahaha..oh my days..

What a circus..I mean no wonder no foreign coaches want to come over..you know I haven't watched a single Pakistan game since sethi the genius took over..this is the first time since 1986 where I haven't at least tried to watch the highlights even if painful watching.

I'm sorry but until I see real progress there is nothing to be hopeful for.These criminals have destroyed even the small joys we used to have about Pakistan.

What foreign coach would want to come and work for these clowns? It's a joke. The whole country is now becoming a joke. We should just call it showbaazistaan and pretend we are a normal place. I'm just completely disillusioned at the moment.
 
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Can not actually believe that Akthar is given such a senior role.

Motormouths should be kept away but it'll be entertaining to see him do the role as an outsider.

The intellect of a pea..expect similar stupidity as a selector..
 
Quality of Sports reporting has gone to gutter levels, too many unsubstantiated rumours about appointments, approaches only for denials later on does not portray a promising picture about Pakistani sports reporters
 
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