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Mike Hesson deserves appreciation for strengthening a strong all-rounder core for Pakistan in T20Is

Abid Z said:
I think Nawaz faheem agha and Saim have done ok in the last 12 month just shaheen and shadab look average. Replace them with a good pacer and a solid batter then this is a good strategy. To be honest if I was Hesson I would have exactly the same issue. The no 1 bowler is not performing and shadab promising but fails too often but who to replace them with? Yes mirza Wasim and Naseem are option for SSA but I can’t see a solid full time batter.
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As they say in the UK “ you can’t put lipstick on a pig” the players he has can’t perform as he wants them to. But there is no excuse for picking the wrong ones!
 
A tactical mistake was made where he dropped a pace all rounder for a spin all rounder.

Shadab or Nawaz needed to be dropped for a pacer.

The pitch was clearly supporting seamers.
 
RidiculousMan said:
A tactical mistake was made where he dropped a pace all rounder for a spin all rounder.

Shadab or Nawaz needed to be dropped for a pacer.

The pitch was clearly supporting seamers.
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Nawaz has choked way too many times in big games. I know that I bash Afridi a lot, but he does bowl well in AT LEAST SOME big games - especially that WC final we lost against England when he got injured. I dunno if Nawaz EVER bowled well in a big game?
 
Strong core of bits and pieces. Just drop both Nawaz and Shadab and play a specialist bowler and batter
 
Mike Hesson has this job because he doesn’t have the ego of Kirsten/Gillespie or even Mickey. The other thing working for him is that he’s willing to spend time in pak whereas other coaches couldn’t wait to get out of there. I don’t think he’s good enough to be coaching a top team, which pak aren’t so suits them well.
 
Han g... ho gya deserve... Hesson has literally destroyed our side by filling bits and pieces guys in the side. Is this islamabad united???

Move on... Stop this obsession and play proper players..
 
BouncerGuy said:
Han g... ho gya deserve... Hesson has literally destroyed our side by filling bits and pieces guys in the side. Is this islamabad united???

Move on... Stop this obsession and play proper players..
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Destroyed the balance of team with bits and pieces player
 
BouncerGuy said:
But but Hesson is a very good coach. He won Islamabad United a PSL title saar. Great coach saar.
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Hesson is very good with his words and minnow stats. He will keep posting tweets like 12 wins in 15 matches after a loss and if you dig deep you will find 10 of those wins are vs BD, UAE, Namibia and Afghanistan and 2 are vs NZ B or something like that with the 3 losses being against India or SENA first sides. In my mind he is an absolute con artist for how he pulls the wool over our folks with his minnow filled stats.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Hesson is very good with his words and minnow stats. He will keep posting tweets like 12 wins in 15 matches after a loss and if you dig deep you will find 10 of those wins are vs BD, UAE, Namibia and Afghanistan and 2 are vs NZ B or something like that with the 3 losses being against India or SENA first sides. In my mind he is an absolute con artist for how he pulls the wool over our folks with his minnow filled stats.
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But saar Namibia saar... Shadab, Faheem, nawaz, Saim are great all rounders saar...

People are clueless defending him.
 
BouncerGuy said:
But saar Namibia saar... Shadab, Faheem, nawaz, Saim are great all rounders saar...

People are clueless defending him.
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He has ruined our team with this all rounder BS. Cricket is first and foremost a game of specialists with genuine all rounders a bonus. We are doing bhangra over Saim taking wickets and Shaheen hitting sixes which would be fine if they were performing in their primary discipline...starting with Tulla Captain at number 3 who can neither bat nor bowl.

I remember my arguments after Asia Cup when some were doing bhangra for Hesson because we won a tri series and reached final of Asia Cup. Sounds impressive, right? Until you see the tri series was with Afghanistan and UAE and we actually dropped a game to Afghanistan...and in the Asia Cup we lost 3x in 15 days to India in a mercurial format like T20...never happened before in our history.
 
gazza619 said:
I called Hesson a fraud many months ago when the kiddies of this world were singing praise for him
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You also said there are 3 teams in KPK stronger than the current Pakistan team.

Peshawar first team was knocked out in the group stages of the national cup in a tournament held in Peshawar

Your opinion is as credible as Tulsi Gabbard claiming that there was an imminent threat from Iran (y)
 
gazza619 said:
I called Hesson a fraud many months ago when the kiddies of this world were singing praise for him
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This thread and its premise are an absolute joke devoid of any reasoning of facts. Show me the stats vs SENA first sides and India under Hesson? He has built his reputation feasting on Namibia, Uganda, Zimbabwe, UAE.
 
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RizwanT20Champ said:
This thread and its premise are an absolute joke devoid of any reasoning of facts. Show me the stats vs SENA first sides and India under Hesson? This clown built his reputation feasting on Namibia, Uganda, Zimbabwe, UAE.
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7 wins & 8 losses

That's not bad. Mediocre but not bad.

between PSL 2024 & 2025: Pakistan had won 9 & lost 22 matches against the same sides. That's pathetic.

Can we at least give Hesson a bit of time? He's at least not losing to the USA.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
7 wins & 8 losses

That's not bad. Mediocre but not bad.

between PSL 2024 & 2025: Pakistan had won 9 & lost 22 matches against the same sides. That's pathetic.

Can we at least give Hesson a bit of time? He's at least not losing to the USA.
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Can you please provide a breakdown of the 7 wins and 8 losses? All formats?
 
These are Hesson's records:

Tests - we won 2 tosses on turning tracks vs SA and managed to lose a home test.

T20I

Overall 5-6 vs SENAI and this is the kind of stat Hesson and his bhangra fans try to use to pull wool over our eyes:

This includes

0-4 vs India(!!!)
2-1 vs SA when they rested half their side in a bilateral
3-0 vs Aus (bilateral, a side weaker than the one that got smashed by Zimbabwe a few days later in the WC)
0-1 vs England (WC game - first string side)

0 wins in tournaments


ODIs

2-1 vs SA B


I specifically asked for SENAI first sides and as expected got a dishonest answer. Against first string SENA teams from this list Pak are 0-5 under Hesson in LOI. No wins in tournaments.
 
This is the SA ODI side in a bilateral we dropped a match to:

1.Lhuan-dre Pretorius
2.Quinton de Kock †
3.Tony de Zorzi
4.Matthew Breetzke (c)
5.Sinethemba Qeshile,
6.Donovan Ferreira,
7.George Linde,
8.Corbin Bosch,
9.Bjorn Fortuin,
10.Nandre Burger,
11.Nqabayomzi Peter

The side which hesson and his fans are counting in their stats LOL! @BouncerGuy @Kianig89 @gazza619 @Raja Ishtiaq @Hawkeye @Nikhil_cric
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
This is the SA ODI side in a bilateral we dropped a match to:

1.Lhuan-dre Pretorius
2.Quinton de Kock †
3.Tony de Zorzi
4.Matthew Breetzke (c)
5.Sinethemba Qeshile,
6.Donovan Ferreira,
7.George Linde,
8.Corbin Bosch,
9.Bjorn Fortuin,
10.Nandre Burger,
11.Nqabayomzi Peter

The side which hesson and his fans are counting in their stats LOL! @BouncerGuy @Kianig89 @gazza619 @Raja Ishtiaq @Hawkeye @Nikhil_cric
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Hesson is instilling that 2nd Fiddle kiwi mentality in Pakistan team, 4-0 against India in less than 6 months is the actual picture. Hesson has failed consistently when it mattered.
 
Kianig89 said:
Hesson is instilling that 2nd Fiddle kiwi mentality in Pakistan team, 4-0 against India in less than 6 months is the actual picture. Hesson has failed consistently when it mattered.
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That is a SA club 11 team that we lost a game to and some shameless fans including Inds like OP are counting this as first string SENA wins. What a fall from grace for us with having these trolls and tulla Agha leading us.
 
Kianig89 said:
Hesson is instilling that 2nd Fiddle kiwi mentality in Pakistan team, 4-0 against India in less than 6 months is the actual picture. Hesson has failed consistently when it mattered.
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Hesson is a fraud coach. He did zilch with Kiwis and I just saw that he was the coach for Kholi's team in IPL which won nothing in 18 years.
 
No coach will matter, the team doesnt have the skills to execute plans or think on their toes on the field. Stop blaming the coach always. For once, look inwards and see what the "root" issue is.

You could give this team the worlds best coach, it wont matter at all. Please understand, unless we start giving domestic more importance, nothing will change.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
This is the SA ODI side in a bilateral we dropped a match to:

1.Lhuan-dre Pretorius
2.Quinton de Kock †
3.Tony de Zorzi
4.Matthew Breetzke (c)
5.Sinethemba Qeshile,
6.Donovan Ferreira,
7.George Linde,
8.Corbin Bosch,
9.Bjorn Fortuin,
10.Nandre Burger,
11.Nqabayomzi Peter

The side which hesson and his fans are counting in their stats LOL! @BouncerGuy @Kianig89 @gazza619 @Raja Ishtiaq @Hawkeye @Nikhil_cric
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Still a stronger squad than the USA one which beat Pakistan in 2024 T20 WC
 
Kianig89 said:
Hesson is instilling that 2nd Fiddle kiwi mentality in Pakistan team, 4-0 against India in less than 6 months is the actual picture. Hesson has failed consistently when it mattered.
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He had a successful stint as New Zealand’s coach. Talking about mentality, the Babar-Rizwan era made fans believe Pakistan couldn’t play modern day cricket.

Hesson is trying to change that with an honest intent. Some of his moves have worked, some haven’t but he deserves time.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Still a stronger squad than the USA one which beat Pakistan in 2024 T20 WC
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Upsets happen more often in T20s, this was in an ODI at home. 2 very different things. In any case this is not even close to a South African first 11 which means this whole post was a falsehood:

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Kianig89 said:
No matter how you twist it , but Hesson is yet to prove himself as successful Pakistan coach.
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But but saar only 0-5 vs SENAI first teams saar, tulla Agha at number 3 saar. Maybe I should type my sentence twice for it to make more sense as some people need to repeated their own names twice. Ind fans like OP have their own agendas to promote a loser like Hesson as coach. RizBar for all their faults reach WC final in 2022 and SF in 2021. What has this bloke done?
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
But but saar only 0-5 vs SENAI first teams saar, tulla Agha at number 3 saar. Maybe I should type my sentence twice for it to make more sense as some people need to repeated their own names twice. Ind fans like OP have their own agendas to promote a loser like Hesson as coach. RizBar for all their faults reach WC final in 2022 and SF in 2021. What has this bloke done?
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This bloke is only experimenting , as a coach he played the whole WC without sorting out team combination, that's enough evidence that he failed in his Job.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Upsets happen more often in T20s, this was in an ODI at home. 2 very different things. In any case this is not even close to a South African first 11 which means this whole post was a falsehood:

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Losing to USA in a T20 is far worse than losing to that South African side in ODIs. It may not have been their strongest XI but it was still not a semi-pro lineup.

Also, let’s not forget that before Hesson took over, Pakistan were already struggling badly, even in ODIs. A second string New Zealand side had whitewashed them.
 
Kianig89 said:
No matter how you twist it , but Hesson is yet to prove himself as successful Pakistan coach.
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Of course, he still has to prove himself. But the point is, under Hesson, Pakistan have mostly played T20s and in that format, they are in a better place now than before he took over.

Also, even in ODIs, some seniors are still holding onto spots. Once that changes, Pakistan can only become a stronger side.
 
Well the main issue is....whose selecting the 15 man squad and who is selecting the playing eleven, cuz it seems like we always get the 15 man squad wrong and the playing eleven wrong as well
Is it Hesson, Agha, Aqib Javed, or someone else, who ever is selecting the squad, like actually calling the shots is the one to blame whoever that may be.

When you select the wrong squad, you already are putting yourself at a massive disadvantage.
You can have the best coach in the world but if the squad is not correct, that it will not make a difference
Hesson yes has made mistakes with some of his tactics, but he is also trying to find a brand or solution for Pakistan to have success

Playing a lot of all arounders in t20 is not the issue, most teams do that, and you can get away with it in t20, but you need to have the correct all arounders to begin with.

I am defending Hesson. If he is the one truly selecting the 15 man squad, than he needs to be sacked.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Losing to USA in a T20 is far worse than losing to that South African side in ODIs. It may not have been their strongest XI but it was still not a semi-pro lineup.

Also, let’s not forget that before Hesson took over, Pakistan were already struggling badly, even in ODIs. A second string New Zealand side had whitewashed them.
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I don't appreciate lies to my post, that is my point. You cannot claim a side like that is anywhere close to their first 11. I was speaking of Hesson's results against first sides of SENA and India and you claimed we were 7-8 against them which is of course a typical orange bold-faced lie

Deflecting to USA is neither here nor there. I could just say with Rizwan Babar opening we reached SF and F in 2021 and 2022 and that is any day better than what we did in 2026. Orange agenda is rather clear here.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Of course, he still has to prove himself. But the point is, under Hesson, Pakistan have mostly played T20s and in that format, they are in a better place now than before he took over.

Also, even in ODIs, some seniors are still holding onto spots. Once that changes, Pakistan can only become a stronger side.
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Against SENA+India first teams this is a lie again.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
I don't appreciate lies to my post, that is my point. You cannot claim a side like that is anywhere close to their first 11. I was speaking of Hesson's results against first sides of SENA and India and you claimed we were 7-8 against them which is of course a typical orange bold-faced lie

Deflecting to USA is neither here nor there. I could just say with Rizwan Babar opening we reached SF and F in 2021 and 2022 and that is any day better than what we did in 2026. Orange agenda is rather clear here.
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The 2022 final appearance gave power to Babar and Rizwan to turn Pakistan into a mediocre team... It was nothing to do with them in the group stages other players saved them and an unexpected win from Netherlands against South Africa. We have seen the mediocrity since with these 2 in charge before this year 3 years of poor performance in tournaments with their chosen teams.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Saim Ayub has become the No.1 all rounder in the ICC T20I rankings. Shaheen Afridi, already a proven world class bowler, has started delivering game-changing knocks with the bat as well. Faheem Ashraf 2.0 is making his presence felt in both departments. Mohammad Nawaz 3.0 has also been a valuable addition to the team. He won Pakistan the tri series final with the ball and produced crucial knocks against Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. Hussain Talat too chipped in with a match winning performance against Sri Lanka. Mike Hesson deserves appreciation for building Pakistan’s allrounder depth.
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The great era defining Rana Faheem has not been fully utilised. He must be unleashed by Hesson in this new cycle.. 4th bowling option and Faheem must bat in top 4.
 
Cric1234 said:
The 2022 final appearance gave power to Babar and Rizwan to turn Pakistan into a mediocre team... It was nothing to do with them in the group stages other players saved them and an unexpected win from Netherlands against South Africa. We have seen the mediocrity since with these 2 in charge before this year 3 years of poor performance in tournaments with their chosen teams.
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And you are also forgetting this match which was rained off at this stage. The 2022 team had all the luck yet couldn't win the trophy.
 

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RyanRyan10 said:
And you are also forgetting this match which was rained off at this stage. The 2022 team had all the luck yet couldn't win the trophy.
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So if we had luck, Hesson and co would have won the title this time??

It is just the badluck that Pakistan lost ??
 
BouncerGuy said:
So if we had luck, Hesson and co would have won the title this time??

It is just the badluck that Pakistan lost ??
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Conveniently also ignoring the semi final win vs a very good NZ side in the semi of 2022.

I have an open challenge for anyone saying we have done better under Hesson even in T20I. Show me the stats vs SENA+ India first strength sides without being dishonest or with an agenda showing club level sides as full strength sides.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
That would've happened regardless of Hesson. Unfair to blame that on him
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We beat India in 2021 and 2022 and in the T20 WC losses in 2022 and 2024 we fought to the end and it was very close. The 2026 wc match was the most one sided t20 wc match in India's favor since at least 2016. Hesson deserves blame for that.
 
Ball Blazer said:
It is just because these four matches were scheduled in four-month window

Had they been scheduled back to back for four days, they would have still lose, irrespective of coach
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Our only recent parallel is 2022 where we played India 3 times in a short window. We traded close wins at AC 2022 before losing a very close one in MCG. Here we got destroyed almost every match. With a tulla like Agha leading with his stats can't really expect better
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
We beat India in 2021 and 2022 and in the T20 WC losses in 2022 and 2024 we fought to the end and it was very close. The 2026 wc match was the most one sided t20 wc match in India's favor since at least 2016. Hesson deserves blame for that.
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That's because India's much stronger now. Got nothing to do with Hesson. Pakistan may have done better without Babar though
 
BouncerGuy said:
So if we had luck, Hesson and co would have won the title this time??
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can't comment on hypothetical things
BouncerGuy said:
It is just the badluck that Pakistan lost ??
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No. Hesson made some mistakes too but he needs to given more time because his playing philosophy is right. Pakistan cricket needs stability at the moment. Changing coaches every year won't do any good.
 
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