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"Mine is a Simple Approach to Batting" : Haris Sohail

Getting new players into the team won't solve anything.

None of the young players are seasoned enough to become quality players internationally because of the poor domestic system.
 
Fastandfurious said:
He sucks, Awais Zia is better than him.
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How can you pass that judgment unless you are some Steve Waugh who has seen him bat for 10 innings at least. See if he is that bad how come he has the second best FC average? What is really the criteria to come into the Pakistan team? Is not it the performance in the domestic cricket?
 
MRSN said:
How can you pass that judgment unless you are some Steve Waugh who has seen him bat for 10 innings at least. See if he is that bad how come he has the second best FC average? What is really the criteria to come into the Pakistan team? Is not it the performance in the domestic cricket?
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Actually, he is even worse.
 
He better get in shape. The more technically correct batsmen we have, the better off we'd be.
 
Nothing to look into here unless he ditches desi ghee parathas and passes the Fitness Tests for a change.
 
But when he gets into shape (if), he has the statistics to satisfy the hunger of the people who don't care to watch the game earn their bread on statsguru, so there is no reason why he shouldn't boot Fawad out of the team because he seems to be pretty decent at strike rotation and has the shots as well.

Odds are stacked against him though: if you are Pakistani batsman, there is a 95% chance be default that you are rubbish.
 
Saw him playing.

First impression? Just another hack produced by our substandard domestic cricket Level.
 
What does the word 'hack' mean? I can bet you have no clue.
 
FreeBird said:
Saw him playing.

First impression? Just another hack produced by our substandard domestic cricket Level.
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Looooool. The last thing Haris is, is a hack.

Top player and I hope he finds is way to the intl. team soon
 
A hack is a low skilled batsman with an over aggressive approach to batting and regularly resorts to wild swings and cross bat shots. A poor defense and a blatant lack of technique are also part of it.

In other words, Afridi is the epitome of hacking and every slogger isn't a hack but every hack is a slogger.

Haris is not remotely a hack; every poor batsman isn't. Even Imran Farhat isn't a hack but Shahzaib Hasan is.

Don't throw terms around without knowing the definition just because they sound cool. People on this forum use this word to generalize any batsman they deem world class.
 
Haris is a complete batsman.

He has all the shots. Plays pace and spin equally well. Plays horizontal shots well. Reads situation brilliantly. Rotates strike well etc.
 
What is the hype with Haris Sohail? I watched the West Indies away serious last year and he looked ordinary? This post isn't meant to hate on the player or meant to imply that he doesn't deserve to be in the team, I'm sure he has done something to have so many fans.

But please, do tell, what is so special about him? Would you guys rather have him in the squad than Fawad Alam/Umar Amin/Asad ]Shafiq? :) [MENTION=47981]BulletDrive[/MENTION], [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], [MENTION=136882]Fastandfurious[/MENTION]
 
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^ He played, what, 2 ODIs vs WI ?
Then got a chance at #7 vs Zimbabwe.

You're going to judge him on the basis of how he performed in 3 games, one being nowhere near his position ?

Definitely a better option than Amin & Alam.
 
PB said:
What is the hype with Haris Sohail? I watched the West Indies away serious last year and he looked ordinary? This post isn't meant to hate on the player or meant to imply that he doesn't deserve to be in the team, I'm sure he has done something to have so many fans.

But please, do tell, what is so special about him? Would you guys rather have him in the squad than Fawad Alam/Umar Amin/Asad Shafiq? :) [MENTION=47981][/MENTION]BulletDrive, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], [MENTION=136882]Fastandfurious[/MENTION]
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He's a batsman who responds brilliantly to pressure. Have seen him play superb knocks in finals lots of times now.
 
PB said:
What is the hype with Haris Sohail? I watched the West Indies away serious last year and he looked ordinary? This post isn't meant to hate on the player or meant to imply that he doesn't deserve to be in the team, I'm sure he has done something to have so many fans.

But please, do tell, what is so special about him? Would you guys rather have him in the squad than Fawad Alam/Umar Amin/Asad Shafiq? :) [MENTION=47981][/MENTION]Bullet Drive, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], [MENTION=136882]Fastandfurious[/MENTION]
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Firstly, let's get a few facts out of the way:

Ultimately, he is still a Pakistani batsman which means he is nothing in comparison to the best batsmen other teams have to offer and they still wipe the floor with him and always will, but by Pakistani standards, he's a very interesting prospect.

Rotates the strike well, has big shots and an IQ of 40+ for sure. He has the domestic statistics to satisfy the statsgurus so I don't see a problem on that front either.

However, he's as fit as a hippopotamus and has been failing Fitness Tests for like 2 yrs now and when he eventually passes, he should be given a chance.

Could be a very good batsman but since he is Pakistani, the odds are heavily stacked against him so let's see.
 
Ahson Afzal said:
Looooool. The last thing Haris is, is a hack.

Top player and I hope he finds is way to the intl. team soon
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Top player? Do you even know what a "Top Player" is?

Well, I am totally NOT against him reaching to the national team. Matter of fact I encourage to keep working hard.
Will he set the ground ablaze in the int'l arena? Not a remote chance!

He will be just another Shehzad, Jamshed, Akmal, Fawad type player. Nothing more than that.
 
PB said:
What is the hype with Haris Sohail? I watched the West Indies away serious last year and he looked ordinary? This post isn't meant to hate on the player or meant to imply that he doesn't deserve to be in the team, I'm sure he has done something to have so many fans.

But please, do tell, what is so special about him? Would you guys rather have him in the squad than Fawad Alam/Umar Amin/Asad ]Shafiq? :) [MENTION=47981]BulletDrive[/MENTION], [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], [MENTION=136882]Fastandfurious[/MENTION]
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He has a sound technique, has proven himself domestically, good SR, good temperament and keeps it simple.

I would have Asad at 3, Haris at 4, Maqsood 5, Umar 6, post WC.
 
FreeBird said:
Top player? Do you even know what a "Top Player" is?

Well, I am totally NOT against him reaching to the national team. Matter of fact I encourage to keep working hard.
Will he set the ground ablaze in the int'l arena? Not a remote chance!

He will be just another Shehzad, Jamshed, Akmal, Fawad type player. Nothing more than that.
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This guy has a level head over his shoulders, Plays nice shots, Feet movement and handle the pressure.
 
So happy he has been selected. Finally a selection on merit.

I have just spoken to him and congratulated him. He thanks everyone for support and says In sha Allah he will perform well and score big hundreds.
 
Bullet Drive said:
So happy he has been selected. Finally a selection on merit.

I have just spoken to him and congratulated him. He thanks everyone for support and says In sha Allah he will perform well and score big hundreds.
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When are you going to tell us how you manage to talk to every youngsta beauty?
 
Bullet Drive said:
So happy he has been selected. Finally a selection on merit.

I have just spoken to him and congratulated him. He thanks everyone for support and says In sha Allah he will perform well and score big hundreds.
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Selected for what? Source?
 
will be another maqsood. All of these lot are talented but they're just unlucky to be playing for a rubbish and corrupted system. The sad thing is, is that he won't be nurtured properly.
 
He's batting too low again. Should have been batting at 3/4. Instead he'll be coming in at 5/6 :/
 
I think he's cursed to not have q successful career. It's really bothers me Shafiq batting ahead of him. I mean your spot is fixed as you are that golden boy no one questions about. Let another youngster bat ahead and make some runs. Absolute selfish captaincy..
 
MRSN said:
It's really bothers me Shafiq batting ahead of him. I mean your spot is fixed as you are that golden boy no one questions about. Let another youngster bat ahead and make some runs. Absolute selfish captaincy..
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Just a bit ago you were crying foul over Shafiq "hiding behind youngsters" in the match thread, and now saying this seems pretty hypocritical.
What's all the pointless fuss for anyway, Sohail will get to bat just the same, no T20 this.
 
Havoc said:
Just a bit ago you were crying foul over Shafiq "hiding behind youngsters" in the match thread, and now saying this seems pretty hypocritical.
What's all the pointless fuss for anyway, Sohail will get to bat just the same, no T20 this.
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well that is right..He was supposed to bat at 4.
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But since the wickets fell too early and Mitch and other quickies were bowling with the new ball , Shafiq sent in Baber Azam instead of coming to bat himself as it was supposed to. In fact he should have batted at 3 instead of Israrullah. He should have come early to s
see off the new ball as he is the most experienced bat.

Even if you say he wanted youngsters to bat more and more overs then why did he come ahead of Haris? He came after the fall of 3rd wicket because spinners were operating and ball was old and conditions were easier for batsmen.
 
I never said Shafiq wanted to let others bat nor am I arguing for or against whichever position you think he should have come on. I'm merely calling your initially wanting him to come on earlier and then complaining over him batting before Sohail a contradiction.
 
Haris proved today that he is not a limited cricketer like Fawad and Azhar Ali and has some really good scoring shots in the bag when needed to up the ante. I see a very good middle order batsman in him for ODIs.
 
Haris you beauty.

Playing spin and pace with extreme easy.

Using feet beautifully as well, judging from the cricinfo commentary.

On 68* and just hit back to back sixes.
 
Needs to improve his fitness and we should kiss Fawad goodbye for good.
 
Impressed with his temperament and also that he has some good shots in the bag when he needs to up the ante unlike Fawad. Good prospect. Let's hope PCB don't destroy him.
 
This doesn't mean that he should continue to fail fitness Tests.
 
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Starc to Haris Sohail, FOUR, short ball, plays an upper cut, few bounces down to thirdman, great innings there by Haris!!

:14: :bow well played for a top hundred.
 
Haris has proved it once again with that ton that domestic record dont tell lies.He averages over 50 in FC cricket,so does Fawad and Akmal.They would have averaged near 50 in tests if they were given so much matches to play like Asad,Azhar,Hafeez.Asad has just escaped with those some ''meaningless'' runs in the ODIs and this warm up.Azhar cant live in that hundred against SL for ever.We have seen their caliber as a batsman so far-not more than a mediocre-neither good nor very bad.I dont think they cant rise their average much above their present test average and they should be a failure against the likes of Johnson,Siddle.My suggestion is always to have Haris,Fawad and U Akmal in the test batting line up.

But at the end of the day you will see the same line up with which Pak has performed so miserably over the last few years-Hafeez, Azhar,Asad all will play and Pakistan will be whitewashed
 
why is everyone want azhar out, why not masood, younus or misbah out.

infact we can have a lineup where both of azhar and haris can play.

you people are hopeless.
 
Misbah wont use Hafeez more than a few overs.I saw it many times in the past.No all-rounder value on Hafeez.

He will find another Steyn in this series.Have to wait who it will be.Most likely Johnson will enjoy that privilege
 
Mainul said:
Haris has proved it once again with that ton that domestic record dont tell lies.He averages over 50 in FC cricket,so does Fawad and Akmal.They would have averaged near 50 in tests if they were given so much matches to play like Asad,Azhar,Hafeez.Asad has just escaped with those some ''meaningless'' runs in the ODIs and this warm up.Azhar cant live in that hundred against SL for ever.We have seen their caliber as a batsman so far-not more than a mediocre-neither good nor very bad.I dont think they cant rise their average much above their present test average and they should be a failure against the likes of Johnson,Siddle.My suggestion is always to have Haris,Fawad and U Akmal in the test batting line up.

But at the end of the day you will see the same line up with which Pak has performed so miserably over the last few years-Hafeez, Azhar,Asad all will play and Pakistan will be whitewashed
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Fawad will continue to get exposed against the best teams. It is a failure of our domestic system to allow a batsman like him such a brilliant average. Truth is, our domestic bowlers/captains don't have the intelligence to expose the weak zones of batsmen draw them out of their comfort zones and the fielding standards are dreadful too.

There are top quality bowlers in Pakistan domestic cricket anymore and that is why you see so many poor batsmen like Fawad, Farhat, Sharjeel, Shahzaib etc do well but since they have major flaws, they are exposed at the top level.

Umar will never be a classical Test batsman. Yes he can be the aggressor down the order and score a quickfire 70/80 and even a hundred occasionally but don't expect him to score a 100 or a 150 at a 50-55 strike rate without any ugly slogs.

He can convert a 300 score into a 450-500 one and take a 50 lead to a 100 one in one session by deflating the bowling attack, but he will not convert a 150 score into a 500 one by batting for two days and engaging in long partnerships. Just does not have the temperament and Maqsood is cut from the same cloth.

Haris is one of the rare players whose domestic stats do justice to his ability and potential.

Anyone who saw him bat in the CLT20 two years ago could see that he is a proper batsman. Also, the way he handled Ajmal in a PAK vs PAK A match was an indication of his ability to perform at the top level.

Judge players with your eyes and brains, not on Cricinfo profiles. The widespread availability and and access to archives and tools like Statsguru has affected people's ability to judge batsmen.

Asad, Haris, Amin and Babar are the best batsmen we have at our disposal - batsmen who play the ball on merit, like to play down the ground and on both sides of the wicket and have solid techniques for which there is no substitute. These are the ones that should be groomed unlike the one dimensional Fawad who is rabbit in headlights if you bowling into his body and close down the angles.

The more teams will study him, the worse he will get. Also, if plays Tests regularly, he will be exposed with a barrage of short pitch bowling while the likes of Umar and Maqsood are glorified sloggers. Restless at the crease, always itching for expansive shots and play too many aerial shots. When you watch them bat, you always know something stupid is going to happen and they do so in domestic cricket as well but their opportunities aren't grasped. They will come good once in 5 innings and show little improvement over the years.

Neither Fawad, Umar or Maqsood are more than 35 averaging batsmen in Tests and it's good to see that the selectors and management are showing signs of foresight for a change.

They have stuck with Shafiq and they have refused to let go of Amin because they know they will come good. Haris was neglected because of his fitness problems and he needs to work on it big time because failing fitness Tests repeatedly shows laziness and lack of professionalism.

Judge players with your eyes and brains and if they have good domestic stats to go along with it, it's a big bonus and if not, work on the mental aspects of their game.
 
So happy for him! This innings should certainly earn him a place in the final 15 and perhaps in the playing XI as well. :hamster:
 
this guy is the real deal. just forget his awesome domestic statistics. just look at him batting against pace or spin and you will see what i am talking about. its a shame he hasnt been given a long run in the intl. team which would have enhanced his abilities even more.
 
How to get him in test 11? One choice is to select Mohammad Hafeez as an opener and play one less bowler. Then Ahmed Shehzad and YK can also bowl.

1. Ahmed Shehzad
2. Mohammad Hafeez
3. Azhar Ali
4. YK
5. Misbah
6. Asad Shafiq
7. Haris Sohail
8. Sarfraz
9. Bowler2
10. Bowler3
11. Bowler4
 
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Misbah discarded and ruined his ODI career but boy he is back with a bang and with a strong chance to make the final XI in the first test. Misbah should be ashamed of himself to throw away a potentially good middle order batsman.:facepalm:
 
MRSN said:
Misbah discarded and ruined his ODI career but boy he is back with a bang and with a strong chance to make the final XI in the first test. Misbah should be ashamed of himself to throw away a potentially good middle order batsman.:facepalm:
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Get a grip.
Always hysterical.
Do you have absolute incontrovertible proof that misbah and misbah alone caused it?
 
Pete Rose said:
Get a grip.
Always hysterical.
Do you have absolute incontrovertible proof that misbah and misbah alone caused it?
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Well he was unfairly treated when he was played in the ODIs. He was no.3,no.4 ODI batsman. Everyone knew about that and that's why selectors had picked him because there was a spot available at no.3..but Misbah started experimenting with Hafeez at #3 even though Haris was specialist for no.3 spot, he wasn't big striker off the ball. He was a batsman who'd take his time but he was moved down the order at 5.

For example in the first ODI he played on the WI tour, both Hafeez and Misbah came to bat ahead of him, eating up so many deliveries without scoring much, they left no choice for Haris but to up the ante from the word go because Haris came to bat in the last 20 overs and scoreboard didn't have even crossed 100 runs mark. We struggling on something like 90s. So he battled for a while but he perished because he couldn't hit out which was the reuirement because the game had become a T20.

Similarly in his second ODI he came again at no.5 after Hafeez at #3 and Misbah at #4.
WI had put up 242 for the chase and again some tuk tuk from Hafeez and Misbah and this time joined by another fella Ahmed Shehzad had made RR shoot up to 6+ in the last 20 overs when Haris came to bat and again he had to start hitting from the word go. He scored 17 off 22 balls and again got out.

Do you think he was fairly treated? Experimenting with Hafeez when a speciliast no.3/4 bat was there? Then playing him down the order knowing that he isn't a batsman for that circumstances?Then eating up all the deliveries and sucking the pace out of the game and throwing him out in a pressure situation to prove himself? did he deserve to be kicked out after just giving one game against Zim?Misbah knew Selectors won't select him after the Zim tour if Misbah didn't give him a fair run which is what happened. Misbah played him in only ODI and he was never to be seen again.
 
MRSN said:
Well he was unfairly treated when he was played in the ODIs. He was no.3,no.4 ODI batsman. Everyone knew about that and that's why selectors had picked him because there was a spot available at no.3..but Misbah started experimenting with Hafeez at #3 even though Haris was specialist for no.3 spot, he wasn't big striker off the ball. He was a batsman who'd take his time but he was moved down the order at 5.

For example in the first ODI he played on the WI tour, both Hafeez and Misbah came to bat ahead of him, eating up so many deliveries without scoring much, they left no choice for Haris but to up the ante from the word go because Haris came to bat in the last 20 overs and scoreboard didn't have even crossed 100 runs mark. We struggling on something like 90s. So he battled for a while but he perished because he couldn't hit out which was the reuirement because the game had become a T20.

Similarly in his second ODI he came again at no.5 after Hafeez at #3 and Misbah at #4.
WI had put up 242 for the chase and again some tuk tuk from Hafeez and Misbah and this time joined by another fella Ahmed Shehzad had made RR shoot up to 6+ in the last 20 overs when Haris came to bat and again he had to start hitting from the word go. He scored 17 off 22 balls and again got out.

Do you think he was fairly treated? Experimenting with Hafeez when a speciliast no.3/4 bat was there? Then playing him down the order knowing that he isn't a batsman for that circumstances?Then eating up all the deliveries and sucking the pace out of the game and throwing him out in a pressure situation to prove himself? did he deserve to be kicked out after just giving one game against Zim?Misbah knew Selectors won't select him after the Zim tour if Misbah didn't give him a fair run which is what happened. Misbah played him in only ODI and he was never to be seen again.
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I think if you read your post you already know you were OTT.
Complaining about hafeez at a time when he was doing well at 3/4 and yet to be found out by Steyn
The one excuse I have the least sympathy for is whining about batting positions.
 
Pete Rose said:
I think if you read your post you already know you were OTT.
Complaining about hafeez at a time when he was doing well at 3/4 and yet to be found out by Steyn
The one excuse I have the least sympathy for is whining about batting positions.
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He wasn't given a fair run either. Got 3 ODIs on WI tour out of one he didn't bat in and one against Zim. I think he should have been played the whole Zim ODI series Because Misbah must have an idea how selectors will treat him if he was going to warm the bench. I will say it was Misbah the man responsible for him being dropped from the ODI side ultimately by the selectors as the captain thought he wasn't good enough neither he asked selectors to retain him for the next series nor he ever fought for him.
 
MRSN said:
He wasn't given a fair run either. Got 3 ODIs on WI tour out of one he didn't bat in and one against Zim. I think he should have been played the whole Zim ODI series Because Misbah must have an idea how selectors will treat him if he was going to warm the bench. I will say it was Misbah the man responsible for him being dropped from the ODI side ultimately by the selectors as the captain thought he wasn't good enough neither he asked selectors to retain him for the next series nor he ever fought for him.
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Sure you can say misbah caused at the JFK assassination but it won't make it true.
No real proof that misbah solely causes something.
Wasn't selected in the recent t20 as well....did misbah have something to do with that
 
The worst tactical mistake ever if Misbah has made, it has to be trusting Hafeez as a no.3 batsman and hoping he will deliver and continuing even after his poor record as an opener.

Hafeez should have been moved down the order long ago.
 
Mamoon said:
Professor. Yes he will also struggle for runs both his bowling will be useful especially when we don't know how Yasir Shah will fare. Babar is good but needs some support.
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If professor is reported again? it will be a big blow for Pakistan I think he should have been rested till WC
 
Pete Rose said:
Sure you can say misbah caused at the JFK assassination but it won't make it true.
No real proof that misbah solely causes something.
Wasn't selected in the recent t20 as well....did misbah have something to do with that
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Well in Pakistan things work really differently as to other cricketing nations. If selectors pick a player for a series and the captain doesn't play him or discard him after only one game, the next series selectors will drop him unless the captain asks him to be retained. That's why I'm holding him responsible for that.
 
MRSN said:
Well in Pakistan things work really differently as to other cricketing nations. If selectors pick a player for a series and the captain doesn't play him or discard him after only one game, the next series selectors will drop him unless the captain asks him to be retained. That's why I'm holding him responsible for that.
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Too much conjecture. He was selected, did not perform, went back and performed domestically and is in the reckoning. The rest is just speculation. His t20 non selection after a fantastic domestic t20 performance was acceptable then, right?
 
One thing I dont get is why if a batsman is as good as you say is not able to score at positions.
Opening is a specialist job I agree but in ODIs good batsmen will open and can also play down the order.
Even the best batsmen started their careers down the order and went up as they found their feet.
Saying that a batsman can only play if they are played in certain roles is doing a great disservice to the person because it stops him from developing and he stats believing that's the reason that he is unable to score.

Play him make him work up the ladder he will become much better, but dont say he can only play he should only play at spot a,b etc. You wont get a proper batsman that way.
 
Pete Rose said:
Too much conjecture. He was selected, did not perform, went back and performed domestically and is in the reckoning. The rest is just speculation. His t20 non selection after a fantastic domestic t20 performance was acceptable then, right?
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That was unfair as well. He should have been selected for T20s as well instead of a nobody Saad Nasim. I know he did well in the CL. But you have got to appreciate and prefer guys who have been performing consistently in our domestic cricket. But anyway two wrongs don't make a right.
 
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deathstreak said:
One thing I dont get is why if a batsman is as good as you say is not able to score at positions.
Opening is a specialist job I agree but in ODIs good batsmen will open and can also play down the order.
Even the best batsmen started their careers down the order and went up as they found their feet.
Saying that a batsman can only play if they are played in certain roles is doing a great disservice to the person because it stops him from developing and he stats believing that's the reason that he is unable to score.

Play him make him work up the ladder he will become much better, but dont say he can only play he should only play at spot a,b etc. You wont get a proper batsman that way.
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Then why Misbah never moves himself from his favorite position 4? Why he made Hafeez who was struggling opening the innings, why he made him bat at 3 and not himself when he was supposed to be the best batsman in the entire line up? I think you lead by example..
 
MRSN said:
Then why Misbah never moves himself from his favorite position 4? Why he made Hafeez who was struggling opening the innings, why he made him bat at 3 and not himself when he was supposed to be the best batsman in the entire line up? I think you lead by example..
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The other poster seems like a Misbah fan. Harris Sohail has been treated very unfairly and any sane person would agree on that.
 
MRSN said:
The worst tactical mistake ever if Misbah has made, it has to be trusting Hafeez as a no.3 batsman and hoping he will deliver and continuing even after his poor record as an opener.

Hafeez should have been moved down the order long ago.
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This. Huge blunder and they keep playing hik at the top !
 
Mamoon said:
Fawad will continue to get exposed against the best teams. It is a failure of our domestic system to allow a batsman like him such a brilliant average. Truth is, our domestic bowlers/captains don't have the intelligence to expose the weak zones of batsmen draw them out of their comfort zones and the fielding standards are dreadful too.

There are top quality bowlers in Pakistan domestic cricket anymore and that is why you see so many poor batsmen like Fawad, Farhat, Sharjeel, Shahzaib etc do well but since they have major flaws, they are exposed at the top level.

Umar will never be a classical Test batsman. Yes he can be the aggressor down the order and score a quickfire 70/80 and even a hundred occasionally but don't expect him to score a 100 or a 150 at a 50-55 strike rate without any ugly slogs.

He can convert a 300 score into a 450-500 one and take a 50 lead to a 100 one in one session by deflating the bowling attack, but he will not convert a 150 score into a 500 one by batting for two days and engaging in long partnerships. Just does not have the temperament and Maqsood is cut from the same cloth.

Haris is one of the rare players whose domestic stats do justice to his ability and potential.

Anyone who saw him bat in the CLT20 two years ago could see that he is a proper batsman. Also, the way he handled Ajmal in a PAK vs PAK A match was an indication of his ability to perform at the top level.

Judge players with your eyes and brains, not on Cricinfo profiles. The widespread availability and and access to archives and tools like Statsguru has affected people's ability to judge batsmen.

Asad, Haris, Amin and Babar are the best batsmen we have at our disposal - batsmen who play the ball on merit, like to play down the ground and on both sides of the wicket and have solid techniques for which there is no substitute. These are the ones that should be groomed unlike the one dimensional Fawad who is rabbit in headlights if you bowling into his body and close down the angles.

The more teams will study him, the worse he will get. Also, if plays Tests regularly, he will be exposed with a barrage of short pitch bowling while the likes of Umar and Maqsood are glorified sloggers. Restless at the crease, always itching for expansive shots and play too many aerial shots. When you watch them bat, you always know something stupid is going to happen and they do so in domestic cricket as well but their opportunities aren't grasped. They will come good once in 5 innings and show little improvement over the years.

Neither Fawad, Umar or Maqsood are more than 35 averaging batsmen in Tests and it's good to see that the selectors and management are showing signs of foresight for a change.

They have stuck with Shafiq and they have refused to let go of Amin because they know they will come good. Haris was neglected because of his fitness problems and he needs to work on it big time because failing fitness Tests repeatedly shows laziness and lack of professionalism.

Judge players with your eyes and brains and if they have good domestic stats to go along with it, it's a big bonus and if not, work on the mental aspects of their game.
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The word ''poor batsman'' besides Fawad is unfair,harsh,impractical and also impossible one.I label it as a stupid word to use in case of Fawad.I saw Fawad play,not once- several times,almost every innings.So, it will be a denial of truth if one says that my judgement is solely based on stats.I saw his 166 against the Lankans which was in his debut test and in opening position,not his usual position.He bats at 4 or 5 but team management and captain Younis had faith on a young debutant to promote him at the most difficult position of a batting line up and he delivered.It was an innings under pressure.And he showed in his very first test what he was capable of against Herath,Ajantha (who was lethal at that time),Vas.Except him everybody collapsed.But after playing 2 more tests he was dropped-the most unfair and ridiculous decision one selector can ever make.I saw Asad play against the Lankans and other teams several times,nothing more than mediocre.No big innings,no match winning innings just one innings which earned a draw against Srilanka.And that kind of innings is normal to come by if you give a batsman so many chances as his sample size is larger than Fawad

And I saw Fawad in Asia cup,against the Lankans in ODIs, in Australia against the Aussies,In England.He was never one dimensional.One dimensional player can never survive to score such heavily at a good rate.He has already proved his calibre.If just one bad series comprising 3 ODIs can be the final verdict,then Asad wouldnt have made into playing eleven after 2012 and Amin after his first 3 ODIs.It is a very biased propaganda to promote average players like Asad and Amin who cant even score heavily in FC cricket!Fawad has heavy record in all foramts in both FC,List A and internationals.More than enough to prove his caliber

Your comment is contradictory.According to you Pakistan's domestic hasnt got good bowlers and clever captain to expose the weaknesses of a batsman.Then why on earth Asad and Amin dont take this opportunity to score heavily?Have they been assured of a place in national side inspite of what they perform in domestics?Probably yes-looking at the world famous nepotism of Pak cricket.Actually they have limited capability to play big innings in any format in a regular fashion.So they will never have good average at good SR in any format of both domestic and International matches.There FC and List A record is no more than ordinary,they wouldnt have got chance for sure into any top side.Just go through the domestic records of India and Srilankans natonal team's batsman.You will hardly see a batsman of Asad's and Amin's calibre and record.

Domestic stats does speak truth in almost every case.You cant judge on exception.Younis and Misbah are currently 2 reliable and high average player in tests for Pakistan.Because they have high average in FC cricket.They first proved them in domestic format and hence they succeeded in tests.Miandad,Yousuf,Injamam all had the same scenario.

If you talk about one dimensionality,Asad is a good example.He can only bat at no 3!You have mentioned it several times.A good middle order batsman can bat in any position from no 3-6 according to team's requirement.Fawad is a no 3 at most no 4 player.But look at him.He scored at no 6-a finisher's position,he won matches at that position,he opened even and delivered.A virtual 360 degree batsman.So why so much talented player like Asad,Amin just cant beyond no 3!

You people just reminds me the fans of Md Ashraful.These people always invented and saw extraordinary talents in him. But he was as good as his stats and domestic record throughout his carrier and never improved beyound ordinary.Those people always lived in Cardiff against Australia and 2/3 other notable innings of him in so many matches.Asad and Amin will ultimately disappoint you like Ashraful, no doubt.It will ultimately prove as a wastage of investment on these 2
 
Looked very overweight in the odi outing i seem him play in, it's a shame the whole runner system has been abolished, otherwise he could have been a quality player
 
chacha kashmiri said:
You would have thought he would have done so to get international recognition and not afterwards
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Well let's hope the penny drops now and he puts the hard yards in whilst he is in favor.

People make an effort to lose weight and be in better shape who play club cricket yet these guys don't make the effort and are being paid to play at the highest level.


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MRSN said:
well that is right..He was supposed to bat at 4.
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But since the wickets fell too early and Mitch and other quickies were bowling with the new ball , Shafiq sent in Baber Azam instead of coming to bat himself as it was supposed to. In fact he should have batted at 3 instead of Israrullah. He should have come early to s
see off the new ball as he is the most experienced bat.

Even if you say he wanted youngsters to bat more and more overs then why did he come ahead of Haris? He came after the fall of 3rd wicket because spinners were operating and ball was old and conditions were easier for batsmen.
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hats off to you sir you have made a wonderful wonderful wonderful point here in regards with asad using what he learned from seniors in the team on how to protect himself and take advantage of captaimcy(Misbah in particular) to protect his own interests.

did you also notice that imran khan, rahat ali and attaullah were not even part of main 11and Ehsan Adil was.
But in the first inning Captain asad bowled all three of them ahead of the guy who was in the 11, and then not only that but also he gace Ehsan the least overs.

In 2nd inning he bowled rahat and imran ahead of ADIL and ADIL (once again the guy who was in 11) bowled less overs than the two.

Asad is continuing on with the tradition set by seniors to keep doing favors to those who can return the favor and in doing so will absolutely ignore giving chances to people who deserve it based on their potential and people like asad will get praises after scoring hundreds when avoiding to bat up the order.
 
Mainul said:
The word ''poor batsman'' besides Fawad is unfair,harsh,impractical and also impossible one.I label it as a stupid word to use in case of Fawad.I saw Fawad play,not once- several times,almost every innings.So, it will be a denial of truth if one says that my judgement is solely based on stats.I saw his 166 against the Lankans which was in his debut test and in opening position,not his usual position.He bats at 4 or 5 but team management and captain Younis had faith on a young debutant to promote him at the most difficult position of a batting line up and he delivered.It was an innings under pressure.And he showed in his very first test what he was capable of against Herath,Ajantha (who was lethal at that time),Vas.Except him everybody collapsed.But after playing 2 more tests he was dropped-the most unfair and ridiculous decision one selector can ever make.I saw Asad play against the Lankans and other teams several times,nothing more than mediocre.No big innings,no match winning innings just one innings which earned a draw against Srilanka.And that kind of innings is normal to come by if you give a batsman so many chances as his sample size is larger than Fawad

And I saw Fawad in Asia cup,against the Lankans in ODIs, in Australia against the Aussies,In England.He was never one dimensional.One dimensional player can never survive to score such heavily at a good rate.He has already proved his calibre.If just one bad series comprising 3 ODIs can be the final verdict,then Asad wouldnt have made into playing eleven after 2012 and Amin after his first 3 ODIs.It is a very biased propaganda to promote average players like Asad and Amin who cant even score heavily in FC cricket!Fawad has heavy record in all foramts in both FC,List A and internationals.More than enough to prove his caliber

Your comment is contradictory.According to you Pakistan's domestic hasnt got good bowlers and clever captain to expose the weaknesses of a batsman.Then why on earth Asad and Amin dont take this opportunity to score heavily?Have they been assured of a place in national side inspite of what they perform in domestics?Probably yes-looking at the world famous nepotism of Pak cricket.Actually they have limited capability to play big innings in any format in a regular fashion.So they will never have good average at good SR in any format of both domestic and International matches.There FC and List A record is no more than ordinary,they wouldnt have got chance for sure into any top side.Just go through the domestic records of India and Srilankans natonal team's batsman.You will hardly see a batsman of Asad's and Amin's calibre and record.

Domestic stats does speak truth in almost every case.You cant judge on exception.Younis and Misbah are currently 2 reliable and high average player in tests for Pakistan.Because they have high average in FC cricket.They first proved them in domestic format and hence they succeeded in tests.Miandad,Yousuf,Injamam all had the same scenario.

If you talk about one dimensionality,Asad is a good example.He can only bat at no 3!You have mentioned it several times.A good middle order batsman can bat in any position from no 3-6 according to team's requirement.Fawad is a no 3 at most no 4 player.But look at him.He scored at no 6-a finisher's position,he won matches at that position,he opened even and delivered.A virtual 360 degree batsman.So why so much talented player like Asad,Amin just cant beyond no 3!

You people just reminds me the fans of Md Ashraful.These people always invented and saw extraordinary talents in him. But he was as good as his stats and domestic record throughout his carrier and never improved beyound ordinary.Those people always lived in Cardiff against Australia and 2/3 other notable innings of him in so many matches.Asad and Amin will ultimately disappoint you like Ashraful, no doubt.It will ultimately prove as a wastage of investment on these 2
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:14: :bow: Brilliant! THIS!
 
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