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"Mine is a Simple Approach to Batting" : Haris Sohail

Still better to watch than Fawad and the awful wannabe macho facial hair has made matters worse.

Looks like a gangsta but plays like a chicken.
 
Mamoon said:
Still better to watch than Fawad and the awful wannabe macho facial hair has made matters worse.

Looks like a gangsta but plays like a chicken.
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You were saying how badass he looked with it at first.
Come on now, Mamoon, at least be consistent with your contempt.
 
He looks badass as long as he's not playing. Wimp of a cricketer.
 
That hundred in the Asia Cup final was one of the worst I've seen in recent and distant memory.
 
Wasn't the best by any stretch of the imagination, and if it wasn't for Umar Akmal, we wouldn't have won , but let's not play the 'what if' game.
 
Batted at SR of 50 till 35th over which killed the game.

Even Misbah was faster which is saying for itself.
 
He scored his 50 of 90 balls and ended up with a strike rate of 85 after 134 deliveries - a poor return.

If you are going to eat up almost 50% of the deliveries, you should end up with a strike rate of 100 or above. We didn't lose the game by losing 3 quick wickets but when Misbah and Fawad decided to bat for 2.5 RPO for 30 overs. We were 25-30 runs short due to Fawad and Misbah.

Such hundreds serve as average boosters only.
 
Mamoon said:
He scored his 50 of 90 balls and ended up with a strike rate of 85 after 134 deliveries - a poor return.

If you are going to eat up almost 50% of the deliveries, you should end up with a strike rate of 100 or above. We didn't lose the game by losing 3 quick wickets but when Misbah and Fawad decided to bat for 2.5 RPO for 30 overs. We were 25-30 runs short due to Fawad and Misbah.

Such hundreds serve as average boosters only.
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This.It was a woeful knock along with Misbah's. Lost us the game there.Imagine if Umar hadn't played that knock.We would have ended around 210.

His innings against BD was way better.That is how they should have gone about it.Being three down doesn't mean one should dead bat everything.
 
Haris is a talented youngster and he should replace either Hafeez or Shafiq..!!
Asad Shafiq is an average cricketer at best , he is highly overated and should never ever play for pakistan..

Sohaib Maqsood and Sharjeel khan should be restricted to T20's only

We have many flaws in our selection criteria
 
Mamoon said:
Umar Amin is batting at the wrong position. He's an opener and himself prefers that position.
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Agreed Umar Amin is one of the best talents in the country and has been badly abused.

Here is what I wrote about him the first day I saw Harris bat....sad thing is it was over two years ago and both Harris and Amin have not been given the chances that they deserved to prove or disprove their talent/potential.


Haris also gives us a much needed left handed in middle order, either Haris or Umar Amin, I am such a big fan of amin, unfortunately he was thrown into the deep end without any thoughts behind on how to help him evolve as an international players, If I were captain/coach of those tests that amin played, I would have not batted him at 4, right after Azhar ali, you had a situation where with "solid openers" as Farhat in the 11 and right after openers were Azhar Ali @ 3 and Amin at 4, so almost every time amin went into bat he had the partner at the other end who was also trying to make into the squad regularly...and amin was always little over cautious and didnt play to his potential...not to forget, it was on one of the most challenging wickets that Pak has played in last 5 years. I would have played Akmal between Azhar and Amin, this would have released a bit of pressure on both Azhar and amin and would have gone long way in amin's development as a player.

ATM, Haris also looks as good as amin and that it a pretty damn good sign for Pak future, just get rid of Misbah, YK, Farhat and we have sh!t load of talent in Pak domestic cricket that can look into eyes of any Aussie/SA/Eng players...but till that day, khasssi pana, lack of back bone and mediocrity is what Pak batting line is more likely of doing against the Tier-1 teams in tough circumstances.
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Bouncer said:
Agreed Umar Amin is one of the best talents in the country and has been badly abused.
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Umar Amin was given 30 games in all 3 formats to prove himself. He struggled to maintain a double digit average. This is reality. The problem is with Amin and not with how the Captain/Coach handled him. That he made it to the national team is itself a miracle. He should atleast get his FC average in the 40s before the selectors even bother to look at him let alone consider him for the national team.
 
Arsal_AK said:
This.It was a woeful knock along with Misbah's. Lost us the game there.Imagine if Umar hadn't played that knock.We would have ended around 210.
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Using the same logic, Pakistan would have been skittled out for under 150 if Fawad had not scored 114.
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
Using the same logic, Pakistan would have been skittled out for under 150 if Fawad had not scored 114.
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His score wasn't the problem.

The fact he was batting even slower than Misbah was for 30 overs was the real problem.

sure you are 18/3.. you consolidate for 15 overs to maybe 50/3. Then what?

You keep playing 15 more overs at same pace to reach 95/3 after 30 overs and Misbah departs at that time playing at almost similar rate , though slightly better, which is pretty funny actually that someone can bat slower than Misbah.

The number of runs are not being questioned, but the length of consolidation.

It's been repeated so many times on Pakpassion its becoming monotonous that people still don't get it.
 
People raise fair and true points regarding first 50, but what we should hope that things will improve as he showed he can carry on for the big score, something none of the other middle order bats have shown

Plus while I know the field was back when was the last time Pak when through 8 overs without a dot ball?


That is where Fawad holds greatest value for the odi team IMO, as a partnership builder
 
Dr_Bassim said:
His score wasn't the problem.

The fact he was batting even slower than Misbah was for 30 overs was the real problem.

sure you are 18/3.. you consolidate for 15 overs to maybe 50/3. Then what?

You keep playing 15 more overs at same pace to reach 95/3 after 30 overs and Misbah departs at that time playing at almost similar rate , though slightly better, which is pretty funny actually that someone can bat slower than Misbah.

The number of runs are not being questioned, but the length of consolidation.

It's been repeated so many times on Pakpassion its becoming monotonous that people still don't get it.
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Yes there is no point in continuing the debate. You are obviously a zealous Pakistani fan who is passionate about his cricket. It must have been painful for you to see Pakistan lose the final against a better team. As is usually the case, our fans love to pick a 'Match ka mujrim' to ease that pain. The anger prevents you from looking at the game objectively. I am pretty sure if Pakistan would have won the game, his critics would bestow him the title of a genius for holding the innings together. But because we lost, it is the 50 off 90 balls you want to focus on and not the 64 off 44 he scored later on, which was a shade quicker than Umar's 59.

Only in Pakistan do we criticize someone who scored a 100 second game after making a comeback with his team reeling at 18/3, and gave his team a chance to win. How many batsmen in your country have an odi average of 47? It is one thing to criticize but can you suggest his replacement? Someone who has statistically (not visually) demonstrated he is better than Fawad? Do you even realize how many brilliant catches he will take and runouts he will be involved in if he is a permanent member of a weak fielding team like Pakistan?

I tell you what. You should consider supporting some other team because this is best talent your country has. To suggest that some pretty boy(s) should replace him simply because they have a better technique is just wishful thinking.
 
fawad_wellwisher said:
Yes there is no point in continuing the debate. You are obviously a zealous Pakistani fan who is passionate about his cricket. It must have been painful for you to see Pakistan lose the final against a better team. As is usually the case, our fans love to pick a 'Match ka mujrim' to ease that pain. The anger prevents you from looking at the game objectively. I am pretty sure if Pakistan would have won the game, his critics would bestow him the title of a genius for holding the innings together. But because we lost, it is the 50 off 90 balls you want to focus on and not the 64 off 44 he scored later on, which was a shade quicker than Umar's 59.

Only in Pakistan do we criticize someone who scored a 100 second game after making a comeback with his team reeling at 18/3, and gave his team a chance to win. How many batsmen in your country have an odi average of 47? It is one thing to criticize but can you suggest his replacement? Someone who has statistically (not visually) demonstrated he is better than Fawad? Do you even realize how many brilliant catches he will take and runouts he will be involved in if he is a permanent member of a weak fielding team like Pakistan?

I tell you what. You should consider supporting some other team because this is best talent your country has. To suggest that some pretty boy(s) should replace him simply because they have a better technique is just wishful thinking.
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When you play 30 overs at a run rate of 2.5-3 , no matter if you score 200, you expect to be criticized.

If you can't bear the heat play "Go Fish".

The wicket was a belter and eased out gradually.

I blame Misbah equally for this. One of them had to realize after 15 overs it was time to get a move on.

But both decided to play it safe.

BTw, had Umar not contributed 59 runs, Pakistan would not been even close to 260 they got and then Fawad's and Misbah's strategy would have been brutally exposed.

As it stands, they got away with a respectable scorecard, because of Umar firing and Fawad adding final impetus later on.

I am not looking for Fawad's replacements. I am just saying how you keep saying no, they did the right thing. At least acknowledge they did the wrong thing. Both of them. 100's are pretty useless except for stats if they don't come at the right time.

Sachins' hundred hundred against Bangladesh was a prime example of a booster hundred, but because Sachin has had 99 hundreds to his name, one can excuse him for being a bit selfish there.


I don't want replacments.

I want people to accept that their strategy was wrong, so next time Pakistan are 20/3, they don't bat the same way and crawl to 250 again and expect to win.

Thats all : )
 
This [MENTION=31960]fawad_wellwisher[/MENTION] seems to have a BLIND love affair with Fawad. Maybe his relative or friend. Surpassed Bullet Drive.

The way he's going after Umar Amin is apalling. Even trying to mislead people here. Poor Amin has only played 14 ODIs that too over a span of 5 years. Never ever got any consistent matches to prove his worth.

Amin along with Haris have immense potential and are complete players. They will be the future of Pak's batting.

Fawad can chip in too but he won't survive for long, these same people will be calling him names and abusing him once he settles in the ODI/Test side because of his limited batting and range of strokes. He can't attack nor will provide you with accelerated run rates when required.
 
Most people take things at face value. Just because Fawad is scoring now and Amin isn't doesn't make the former better.
 
Currently batting on 20* rotating strike and hitting the odd boundary.

He's chasing which he loves.

103 from 74 deliveries. Lets see if he can do it.
 
Bullet Drive said:
Currently batting on 20* rotating strike and hitting the odd boundary.

He's chasing which he loves.

103 from 74 deliveries. Lets see if he can do it.
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He makes it look effortless and easy. So calm, classy and solid.
 
He has done it almost along with Shahid Yousaf. Haris is easily best batsman in country.
 
Averages 52.01 in First class yet he has never played Tests for Pakistan.

Averages only 35.36 in List A and yet he has played ODIs for Pakistan.

Perfect example of selectors incompetence of selecting players for wrong formats.
 
srh said:
Averages 52.01 in First class yet he has never played Tests for Pakistan.

Averages only 35.36 in List A and yet he has played ODIs for Pakistan.

Perfect example of selectors incompetence of selecting players for wrong formats.
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If he plays tests, then Misbah will have to retire.
 
srh said:
Averages 52.01 in First class yet he has never played Tests for Pakistan.

Averages only 35.36 in List A and yet he has played ODIs for Pakistan.

Perfect example of selectors incompetence of selecting players for wrong formats.
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An average of 35 with a SR of 87 is excellent. Don't look at the average only, SR is equally important in ODIs. He can rotate the strike as well as produce big shots.

Would take him over a 40+ averaging batsman with a SR of 75.
 
When the hell are we gonna see him play? Damn it.

We're wasting such a quality player. F the PCB.
 
chases down another total successfully.

he is the only batsman in Pakistan who i can confidently say should play all three formats
 
Wins it for Sialkot with a Six. His average of 45+ After playing 28 T20s is perfect example that he can play limited over format as well as longer one.
 
Mamoon said:
An average of 35 with a SR of 87 is excellent. Don't look at the average only, SR is equally important in ODIs. He can rotate the strike as well as produce big shots.

Would take him over a 40+ averaging batsman with a SR of 75.
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and he averages over 50 in LIST A in last two years if i am not wrong.
 
Ability wise, on par with Umar Akmal but has greater IQ and a shade above Maqsood. Don't insult this trio by comparing them to trash like Shehzad.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Is haris better than maqsood, akmal or shehzad? What's his batting position and age?
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Akmal and Shehzad are Hacks and Tuk Tuk respectively. Haris Sohail is 25 Years has over the years made runs on runs. He is better then Maqsood and very solid and compact. More often then not puts a price upon his wicket and scores runs. Ones who have seen him play know that he has good feet movement and technique. Even scored match winning half century for SS in CLT20 under South African conditions.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Is haris better than maqsood, akmal or shehzad? What's his batting position and age?
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25 y.o. Bats at 3/4. Personally believe he is better than Shehzad and Maqsood. Akmal probably has more talent, but Haris' temparament is a lot better.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Is haris better than maqsood, akmal or shehzad? What's his batting position and age?
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Age 23 middle order batsman cant say that he is better than maqsood or akmal but one thing is for sure that he rotate strikes consistently and can produce big shots too he is an upgraded version of fawad alam
 
Agree that he should be playing all three formats. Give him a proper run.

Tests: Fawad, Shehzad, Haris, YK, Misbah, Shafiq, Sarfraz, Yasir, Zulfiqar, Wahab, Junaid.

ODIs: Shehzad, Hafeez, Haris, Fawad, Misbah, UA, Maqsood, Hammad/Bhatti ,Wahab, Irfan, Raza Hasan.

T20s: Babar Azam, Shehzad, Hafeez, Haris, Maqsood, UA, Afridi, Tanvir, Wahab, Raza, Junaid
 
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Misbah is destroying many careers wny not leave cricket? Baba ji hun jaan deo horaan dee vaari aan deo
 
I would not play him in ODIs. Average of 35 in List A is not good enough for a chance to play in Pakistan ODI team. He needs to bring it to 40 atleast. His ODI record is poor.

In Tests he definitely should make the squad over Umar Akmal. Then its upto Misbah to decide if he should play in place of Azhar Ali or Asad Shafiq.
 
Thanks guys.

I think he got selected for pakistan national team. But don't remember whether he played or not.

I never understood this desi culture where they give so many chances to one particular player but deserving guys only get 2-3 chances and are dropped after that. You need to give him atleast 4-5 years.
 
Yes indeed, his strike rate is too high for the Pakistan team. We need more Shehzads and Misbahs.
 
Mamoon said:
Ability wise, on par with Umar Akmal but has greater IQ and a shade above Maqsood. Don't insult this trio by comparing them to trash like Shehzad.
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Trash wise, Right Now Shehzad And Umar are on par :)). Shehzad has better Temperament, so he is a far better candidate as for now.
 
A few bad games and they are on par now? Not at all.

Shehzad has good temperament but he simply not good enough. Even Azhar Ali has temperament.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Thanks guys.

I think he got selected for pakistan national team. But don't remember whether he played or not.

I never understood this desi culture where they give so many chances to one particular player but deserving guys only get 2-3 chances and are dropped after that. You need to give him atleast 4-5 years.
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He has only played one T20I.Has played I think 3 to 4 Odis. In one of them he didn't batted. In one pollard I guess took a blinder of a catch while in other one he got out to once in a life catch at shot which had four written all over it. In one odi he did not get a chance to bat as far as I remember
 
Mamoon said:
A few bad games and they are on par now? Not at all.

Shehzad has good temperament but he simply not good enough. Even Azhar Ali has temperament.
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Averages 29 since the CT, Umar that is.

Meanwhile Shehzad averages over 40 in the same period.
 
Hamzakhalid said:
He has only played one T20I.Has played I think 3 to 4 Odis. In one of them he didn't batted. In one pollard I guess took a blinder of a catch while in other one he got out to once in a life catch at shot which had four written all over it. In one odi he did not get a chance to bat as far as I remember
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and in one match he was made to bat below afridi.
these are not excuses but genuine facts about how his exclusion was unjust.
 
Shehzad doesn't have half the ability Umar has. Umar just lacks temperament, people need to understand the difference between ability and temperament.
 
Madplayer said:
and in one match he was made to bat below afridi.
these are not excuses but genuine facts about how his exclusion was unjust.
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Disgraceful stuff that was. How on earth can you have a top order batsman Bat at 8.
 
Arsal_AK said:
Averages 29 since the CT, Umar that is.

Meanwhile Shehzad averages over 40 in the same period.
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Shehzad can average 60 for all he likes, but adds nothing to do the team with his pathetic approach.

The rubbish hundred in Asia Cup vs the Bangladesh and the various half centuries at a strike rate of 65 odd have all contributed to this average.

Since his comeback, he has played only 2/3 quality knocks in ODIs. A cancer to the team along with Misbah.
 
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Not a rant. That facial hair doesn't suit a guy without a power game. :anderson
 
Ho sakta hai lekin us ki natural game kharab hojayegi so it isn't worth it. :corey
 
Ahson Afzal said:
Agree that he should be playing all three formats. Give him a proper run.

Tests: Fawad, Shehzad, Haris, YK, Misbah, Shafiq, Sarfraz, Yasir, Zulfiqar, Wahab, Junaid.

ODIs: Shehzad, Hafeez, Haris, Fawad, Misbah, UA, Maqsood, Hammad/Bhatti ,Wahab, Irfan, Raza Hasan.

T20s: Babar Azam, Shehzad, Hafeez, Haris, Maqsood, UA, Afridi, Tanvir, Wahab, Raza, Junaid
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Gul? Anwar Ali? Don't trust UA in Odis both as keeper and batsman.
Fakhar > Babar in T20s
 
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