Misbah-ul-Haq and Younis Khan both averaging less than 15 Down Under

[TalentSpotterPk]

It was a soft dismissal. You're bat is a certain width-size. As a batsmen at that level, considering the length of the ball, if he got a bigger stride in and concentrated, he could have made that adjustment like we saw from Babar and Azhar. They got some slight indippers and away seamers too. Its about getting a stride in to negate it from that length and not just playing loosely with a gap between bat and pad.

If you will bring Azhar Ali in every single of your Post than even if you are right your argument will lose it's strength.

Here we are discussing Younis Khan's dismissal. It has got nothing to do with Azhar or Babar.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

If this happens to a 42 and 43 year old, and is happening for long time, will keep getting worst. There is only one way to resolve this,show them the door, unless team is their personal property.

Actually these are the huge problems which are stopping next Bradman to debut in place of Younis or Misbah before or after West Indies tour. That is the issue I am afraid.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

With 3 difficult overseas tours of England, New Zealand and Australia the Age of 43 and 44 the pair has these performances in 2016 before the MCG Test

Younis 628 runs at 40 with 2 hundreds and 2 fifties.

Misbah 532 runs at 36 with 1 hundred and 4 fifties.


Considering their age and the fact that Pakistan doesn't get frequent tours of AUS, SA, NZ & ENG these numbers are acceptable and are not very Bad.


Support both players until the end of this tour or until the end of West Indies tour.


Youngsters can wait for few weeks or few months. Not a big issue.


Come On Younis & Misbah uncles.

 

[Junaids]

With 3 difficult overseas tours of England, New Zealand and Australia the Age of 43 and 44 the pair has these performances in 2016 before the MCG Test

Younis 628 runs at 40 with 2 hundreds and 2 fifties.

Misbah 532 runs at 36 with 1 hundred and 4 fifties.

Firstly, your sample is skewed by including the UAE series v West Indies on much slower lower bouncing tracks.

Secondly, each batsman's figures are skewed by their biggest innings. Exclude that outlier and:

Younis Khan's average falls to 28.57.
Misbah's average falls to 30.36.

It's not good enough to keep such old players in the team.

 

[moghul]

When you're in the middle facing bowler. there are no bonus runs for your inflated average for being UAE Khan.
Forget about YK's overall average, all I know in last 15 overseas innings , he has performed in 2 only .

 

[Buffet]

And then he was bowled by a club-quality bowler trying to drive a ball which was too short to drive.

Bird is club quality and Butt is an ATG in Aus from Pakistan. Keep it coming..

 

[saeedhk]

Both are past their sell-by date. Younis has never been good against quality fast bowling on good sporting pitches.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Bird is club quality and Butt is an ATG in Aus from Pakistan. Keep it coming..

And Asif is GOAT.

 

[godzilla]

its just a bit of bad form. anyone with even the slightest bit of intelligence or honesty knows that you cant extrapolate 3 or 4 games into anything meaningful, whether thats three or four good games, or three or four bad games.

heres some examples of the very stupidly obvious:

a cook - first 5 innings average in south africa 26 dec 2015 to 14 jan 2016:

3 Tests
5 innings
0 not outs
0 x 100, 0 x 50,
60 runs @ 12

so what does that mean? he should have been dropped? he was passed it? his reflexes were gone? if not why not? age? whats to say that everyones reflexes go at the same exact age for everyone?

not a fair comparison? ok how about the mighty and superlative tendulkar. from his last innings at adelaide on 24 jan 08 to his first innings an bangalore against australia 9 oct 08, almost a full year of test performances for the little master:

9 innings
0 not outs
0 x 100, 0 x 50,
121 runs @ 13.4

so if we had applied the same logic as in the droningly repetitive, dishonest and deliberately misleading op, should tendulkar have been jettisoned from the indian side too in 08?

there are countless other examples of course, because its massively patently obvious that the very best go through lean patches.

the counter will no doubt be that these two examples only show that good batsmen in the prime of their game can go through lean patches, however, the difference is that misbah and younis are old.

so then how can we tell when an inevitable slow down in reflexes manifests? well this post shows, its not by cherry picking an idiotically small number of data points. are they passed it? possibly. is this a lean patch for them both? possibly. is it disingenuous to be quoting those manufactured stats in the op? yes.

 

[Junaids]

its just a bit of bad form. anyone with even the slightest bit of intelligence or honesty knows that you cant extrapolate 3 or 4 games into anything meaningful, whether thats three or four good games, or three or four bad games.

heres some examples of the very stupidly obvious:

a cook - first 5 innings average in south africa 26 dec 2015 to 14 jan 2016:

3 Tests
5 innings
0 not outs
0 x 100, 0 x 50,
60 runs @ 12

so what does that mean? he should have been dropped? he was passed it? his reflexes were gone? if not why not? age? whats to say that everyones reflexes go at the same exact age for everyone?

not a fair comparison? ok how about the mighty and superlative tendulkar. from his last innings at adelaide on 24 jan 08 to his first innings an bangalore against australia 9 oct 08, almost a full year of test performances for the little master:

9 innings
0 not outs
0 x 100, 0 x 50,
121 runs @ 13.4

so if we had applied the same logic as in the droningly repetitive, dishonest and deliberately misleading op, should tendulkar have been jettisoned from the indian side too in 08?

there are countless other examples of course, because its massively patently obvious that the very best go through lean patches.

the counter will no doubt be that these two examples only show that good batsmen in the prime of their game can go through lean patches, however, the difference is that misbah and younis are old.

so then how can we tell when an inevitable slow down in reflexes manifests? well this post shows, its not by cherry picking an idiotically small number of data points. are they passed it? possibly. is this a lean patch for them both? possibly. is it disingenuous to be quoting those manufactured stats in the op? yes.

Cook and Tendulkar weren't in their forties.

You refuse to accept failure by both Misbah and Younis in every away series outside Asia v a major power from ages 38-42 and 39-43 respectively. You say you need more data points.

Do they have to fail for another four years until you have enough data?

How come nobody else picks batsmen in their forties?

 

[Asim2Good]

Have you understood my recent posts?

I have clearly and repeatedly said that Salman Butt should have been recalled for the 12 Tests since July leading up to the series in Australia where his well-suited technique made him Pakistan's GOAT.

But I have also said that at 32 - let alone 42 - he is now too old to select, because at 29-32 you already have too many veterans in Azhar, Shafiq, Sarfraz, Wahab and Yasir Shah.

Australia has one (1) thirty year old, Dave Warner, and he is the oldest player.

I very clearly also say to pick Imam-ul-Haq ahead of Salman Butt, for that very reason.

I'd dearly love to replace Mohammad Asif too, but outside Asia neither Sohail Khan nor Imran Khan is even 30% of the bowler Asif is.

I understand ur posts clearly.
U just write long post, targetting few players over n over.
Throw in random fav players
Proven wrong, then u throw in random upcoming players names.

Everyone knows YK & Misbah are playing their last few series. This was very clear a year earlier that they are NOT going anywhere till this Aus series. And now YK is not going anywhere till atlease 10k runs. And he fully deserve it, doesn't matter in which way u twist ur words.
Over 40 player proved u wrong with double ton in England n now after 2-3 failures, ur knife is out again.

And LMAO at salman's bein Pakistan's GOAT

 

[Junaids]

I understand ur posts clearly.
U just write long post, targetting few players over n over.
Throw in random fav players
Proven wrong, then u throw in random upcoming players names.

Everyone knows YK & Misbah are playing their last few series. This was very clear a year earlier that they are NOT going anywhere till this Aus series. And now YK is not going anywhere till atlease 10k runs. And he fully deserve it, doesn't matter in which way u twist ur words.
Over 40 player proved u wrong with double ton in England n now after 2-3 failures, ur knife is out again.

And LMAO at salman's bein Pakistan's GOAT

1. Younis Khan failed in 6 innings out of 7 in England. His rubbishness cost you a Third Test you should have won.

2. Salman Butt as Pakistan's GOAT Test batsman in Australia is not even up for argument. Younis Khan can take the accolade if he scores more than 160 runs in his remaining 3 innings in Australia. If he doesn't, Salman Butt's record remains intact.

You may not like Salman Butt, but he holds that record, and he got it because unlike any of the 2016-17 Pakistan tourists he can score runs on the off-side without giving the slip cordon catching practice.

 

[Junaids]

For the record, forget targeting Salman Butt's GOAT in Australia record.

Younis Khan requires 135 runs in his remaining three innings just to lift his average in Australia back up to 40.

He then needs another 25 to tie Salman Butt as GOAT.

I used to love Younis Khan. I hope he does it.

 

[Asim2Good]

1. Younis Khan failed in 6 innings out of 7 in England. His rubbishness cost you a Third Test you should have won.

2. Salman Butt as Pakistan's GOAT Test batsman in Australia is not even up for argument. Younis Khan can take the accolade if he scores more than 160 runs in his remaining 3 innings in Australia. If he doesn't, Salman Butt's record remains intact.

You may not like Salman Butt, but he holds that record, and he got it because unlike any of the 2016-17 Pakistan tourists he can score runs on the off-side without giving the slip cordon catching practice.

When matches are won or lost then there are alot of IFs n BUTs.
IF england bowlers had bowled well in last 2 tests, they would have squared series after scoring 400+ in last 2 tests.
IF cook didn't failed miserably, they could have won series.
IF England didn't lost ALL 10 wickets against mighty Bangladesh, they would hvae won series.

no one even cares abt Slaman Butt other than u, so give it a rest.
No one cares abt so called GOAT status In ONE country. GOAT sold his country and took down team's 2 best bowlers with him. Thats what GOAT did and that's how he ll be remembered for rest of his life.

 

[Junaids]

When matches are won or lost then there are alot of IFs n BUTs.
IF england bowlers had bowled well in last 2 tests, they would have squared series after scoring 400+ in last 2 tests.
IF cook didn't failed miserably, they could have won series.
IF England didn't lost ALL 10 wickets against mighty Bangladesh, they would hvae won series.

no one even cares abt Slaman Butt other than u, so give it a rest.
No one cares abt so called GOAT status In ONE country. GOAT sold his country and took down team's 2 best bowlers with him. Thats what GOAT did and that's how he ll be remembered for rest of his life.

Don't let that chip on your shoulder blind you to the realty of which Pakistanis can perform in which conditions.

Pakistan's selectors gambled that the players who beat West Indies 2-1 at home could perform better than ones whose techniques have worked in Australia before.

They were wrong.

You don't get 500+ Test runs in Australia against McGrath, Gillespie, Johnson and Warne unless you have a very strong offside technique.

Yet you belittle Butt for completely irrelevant events and refuse to see the reality that in these conditions here in Australia he is the best batsman your country has EVER had.

And that's a fact. It's not even available for discussion unless the Younis Khan who has 86 runs in 3 innings in this series starts to double his output and makes at least 160 in his remaining 3 innings.

 

[Buffet]

Ali may replace ATG batsman in Aus. His average should be now higher than previous ATG batsman

 

[ask_analyse_act]

i hope BABAR and Sami score nearly 50% more runs than YOUNIS and MISBAH... looks like Misbah will end up this tour with 0 fifties...

 

[godzilla]

Cook and Tendulkar weren't in their forties.

You refuse to accept failure by both Misbah and Younis in every away series outside Asia v a major power from ages 38-42 and 39-43 respectively. You say you need more data points.

Do they have to fail for another four years until you have enough data?

How come nobody else picks batsmen in their forties?

no, they have to a) fail for a fair number of data points eg 10+ and exhibit signs of deterioration and b) be displacing obvioulsy superior talent on the bench, neither of which is the case given the players on the selector's radar.

so now its about age only? or do you have some data to show that players in their 40s who have a lean patch of 3 or 4 games have always been shown to be at the end of their game? if that was so, why did misbah and younis continue to perform beyond everyone else up until these past four games?

you refuse to accept that 7 innings dont prove anything statistically and continue to disingenuously use them selectively whilst totally ignoring full and damning counter proof. its most likely you are easily intelligent enough to understand simple stats which begs the question as to why and how this can be anything other than unabashed and shameless dishonesty.

given ive amply demonstrated a lean streak of that number of games is indicative of nothing, the only argument you have is age. and given youve been saying that for a year or so whilst both have been performing more than adequately, shows that thats an abstract whimsical argument too.

you have no logical leg to stand on.

 

[hur rizvi]

Younis at least has a 65 to his credit.

What does Misbah have to his credit that Misbah and Arthur should sit together?

If anything Mickey Arthur should sit with Misbah for an honest and candid discussion in which the latter can announce he will retire after the Sydney test.

Younis should be given the 2nd innings of MCG test to show that he can perform, otherwise he has to make way.

Why Sydney test, why not this test?

Give Sydney test to the next generation

 

[Statsman]

Seriously?

Younis scored 21 from 59 balls, including 3 LBW appeals - one of them given by the umpire - and a scoreless period of 27 balls.

And then he was bowled by a club-quality bowler trying to drive a ball which was too short to drive.

He did hit a couple of nice drives.

But this Innings was what happens when you play Tests once you have lost your consistency.

Club-quality bowler has 3 wickets now.

 

[Ishaq59]

Plz leave Pakistan team

 

[Ishaq59]

Cricket is game of free flex once over 30 u start to struggle.

 

[s28]

no, they have to a) fail for a fair number of data points eg 10+ and exhibit signs of deterioration and b) be displacing obvioulsy superior talent on the bench, neither of which is the case given the players on the selector's radar.

so now its about age only? or do you have some data to show that players in their 40s who have a lean patch of 3 or 4 games have always been shown to be at the end of their game? if that was so, why did misbah and younis continue to perform beyond everyone else up until these past four games?

you refuse to accept that 7 innings dont prove anything statistically and continue to disingenuously use them selectively whilst totally ignoring full and damning counter proof. its most likely you are easily intelligent enough to understand simple stats which begs the question as to why and how this can be anything other than unabashed and shameless dishonesty.

given ive amply demonstrated a lean streak of that number of games is indicative of nothing, the only argument you have is age. and given youve been saying that for a year or so whilst both have been performing more than adequately, shows that thats an abstract whimsical argument too.

you have no logical leg to stand on.

still awaiting response to this

 

[troodon]

Mo Amir is looking more like a batsman than YK and Misbah. They both should retire.

YK will surely score a hundred in 3rd Test to troll Pak fans.

 

[godzilla]

still awaiting response to this

dont hold your breath.

 

[Junaids]

Misbah/Younis 32-2, the rest 852 for 11 wickets

I hope that people are actually processing the full horror of what they are seeing on this batsman's paradise at the MCG.

Misbah and Younis, the two batsmen aged over 32 years of age - by a full margin of 10 and 11 years - scratched around for 32 runs between them, including an overturned DRS LBW and multiple other appeals.

In contrast with their 11 and 21 on a grassless track, the other batsmen have scored:

9
205
23
10
50
29
65 run out (a number 9 batsman)
1 (Wahab Riaz)
10
144
97
84 not out
54
22

This has to be the end.

The word veteran is generally used for players aged 30-35 because hardly anybody plays international cricket after age 35.

I don't even know a word to describe players as ancient as Younis and Misbah, but they have been exposed Down Under. The game is up.

And people need to compare their output with those of younger batsmen - even inferior ones.

It is practically criminal that they were selected in the touring squad for a pair of series in such conditions, and it's becoming unacceptable for them to be selected into the starting eleven.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Even if Misbah was in his 20's, his langra technique would still have been exposed in these conditions. An utterly over rated player.

 

[Abdullah719]

Both out to Lyon in the space of three balls.

 

[Syed1]

Over rated flat track bullies who aren't good enough to be in any other side in the world.

There I said it.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Misbah has been pathetic. Has done everything in his power to make Pakistan lose in both games.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Khudafiz Younis and Misbah

There are 10,000 problems with Pakistan cricket.

But two of the more clear ones are these guys.

Younis doesn't want to retire. Misbah wanted to retire but was made to stay.

Misbah, I'm pretty sure, will retire after the Sydney test. But it's time that the PCB grew a pair and said khudafiz to Younis baba.

I don't care how crap their replacements are. Just get someone young and new who has a brain and a bit of potential. Not Akmals and Shehzads.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Misbah would have retired if he had wanted to. He didn't want to.

Stop making out like it was some sacrifice he made not to retire.

 

[Manager101]

Misbah never said he wants to retire, moreover he had said previously that he will keep playing till he is batting well. I haven't seen him bat well for a long time though.

 

[hadi123]

Misbah should retire but I'm not concerned about Younis Khan. He should stay a few more series. Misbah really needs to go now, looks deflated AF

 

[in_cutter]

FTB YK should retire. Misbah is too old- mentally shot.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Misbah should retire but I'm not concerned about Younis Khan. He should stay a few more series. Misbah really needs to go now, looks deflated AF

Younis should play for another 5 years to reach 44.

 

[in_cutter]

Misbah should retire but I'm not concerned about Younis Khan. He should stay a few more series. Misbah really needs to go now, looks deflated AF

Not concerned about FTB Younis? Hope you are kidding.

 

[Junaids]

Updated Test averages in Australia and New Zealand, 2016-17

YOUNIS KHAN: 126 runs in 4 Tests at an average of 15.75

MISBAH-UL-HAQ: 64 runs in 3 Tests at an average of 10.67.

 

[Bewal Express]

Updated Test averages in Australia and New Zealand, 2016-17

YOUNIS KHAN: 126 runs in 4 Tests at an average of 15.75

MISBAH-UL-HAQ: 64 runs in 3 Tests at an average of 10.67.

Players past their prime. YK will carry on because of the desire for personal milestones but he is past it.

 

[Ishaq59]

Plz send both home plz

 

[Junaids]

no, they have to a) fail for a fair number of data points eg 10+ and exhibit signs of deterioration and b) be displacing obvioulsy superior talent on the bench, neither of which is the case given the players on the selector's radar.

so now its about age only? or do you have some data to show that players in their 40s who have a lean patch of 3 or 4 games have always been shown to be at the end of their game? if that was so, why did misbah and younis continue to perform beyond everyone else up until these past four games?

you refuse to accept that 7 innings dont prove anything statistically and continue to disingenuously use them selectively whilst totally ignoring full and damning counter proof. its most likely you are easily intelligent enough to understand simple stats which begs the question as to why and how this can be anything other than unabashed and shameless dishonesty.

given ive amply demonstrated a lean streak of that number of games is indicative of nothing, the only argument you have is age. and given youve been saying that for a year or so whilst both have been performing more than adequately, shows that thats an abstract whimsical argument too.

you have no logical leg to stand on.

So you still don't think there are enough "data points" to accept that it's a dumb idea to select men of 42 and 43 years of age to bat at Numbers 4 and 5 in Australia and New Zealand?

You sound like the England coach Peter Moores when he was asked about England's elimination from the 2015 World Cup by Bangladesh and he replied that he needed to look at the data.

Younis averages 15.75 on this tour at the age of 43.

Misbah averages 10.67 on this tour at the age of 42.

Those are the only data points needed.

 

[godzilla]

So you still don't think there are enough "data points" to accept that it's a dumb idea to select men of 42 and 43 years of age to bat at Numbers 4 and 5 in Australia and New Zealand?

You sound like the England coach Peter Moores when he was asked about England's elimination from the 2015 World Cup by Bangladesh and he replied that he needed to look at the data.

Younis averages 15.75 on this tour at the age of 43.

Misbah averages 10.67 on this tour at the age of 42.

Those are the only data points needed.

youve made it very clear that you dont have the first clue about statistics, so its best you stop quoting them. i absolutely stand by what i said, since its evidenced in black and white fact in this thread already. youve been wrong on calling both their failures for the best part of a year or longer, wrong on amir, wrong on jahid, wrong on butt - each time quoting half assed non stats to try to contort some pre-determined perspective in a puerile repetitive unmerciful trolling on these boards.

this is one more innings than the last time i posted. no, from a statistical perspective, there are no reasonable conclusions that are significantly different from before. ive given evidence of this number of failures, worse in fact, from better players that did not signify the end of their careers. so a run of scores like this, this long does not necessarily signify an end to a career. thats fact, and not five data point stats that you disingenuously cling so tightly to.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

So you still don't think there are enough "data points" to accept that it's a dumb idea to select men of 42 and 43 years of age to bat at Numbers 4 and 5 in Australia and New Zealand?

You sound like the England coach Peter Moores when he was asked about England's elimination from the 2015 World Cup by Bangladesh and he replied that he needed to look at the data.

Younis averages 15.75 on this tour at the age of 43.

Misbah averages 10.67 on this tour at the age of 42.

Those are the only data points needed.

Misbah averages 5 in this series. YK averages 27.50 with a fifty. Stop bundling them together.