Misbah-ul-Haq versus Babar Azam? Who will be remembered as a better captain for Pakistan?

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My vote goes to Misbah as atleast he managed to get some very good wins in UAE and knew how to manage the spin resources at his disposal. Heck i am pretty sure if he was captaining in Pakistan, he would know what type of wickets to prepare and which bowlers to use.

Babar in comparison is completely incompetent and probably would have picked Nawaz as his lead spinner against England in 2012 even if there was a Saeed Ajmal and Abdul Rehman available.
 
What is the comparison? Red ball or white ball?

Red ball is a no brainer…Misbah any day

White ball is the comparison. Who’s tenure has been the most torturous for true Pakistan cricket fans that wish to see their team try and compete with modern batting standards
 
real format is red ball, so i will only compare that.
Misbah wins by miles. He won test in Lords, won series in West Indies, many times in UAE.
Babar hasn't even managed to dominate tests at home let alone abroad.

White ball also I would rate Misbah a touch higher than Babar.
 
Misbah has been the most successful test captain in Pakistan's history. You may or may not consider him the best, but it's undeniable that the Pak test side experienced stability only under his captaincy since the mid 1990s. The UAE transformed into a fortress during his tenure, and he also secured a few significant victories away.


Misbah was a poor white ball captain, though. On the other hand, Babar has a lackluster performances in both tests and odis. Pakistan experienced embarrassing defeats at home in tests and had a terrible World Cup run. While his record in T20Is was decent statistically, Babar's tactical decisions in crunch situations cost Pakistan some important games.
 
Misbah was never as bad of a captain as Babar. But his tenure as white-ball captain was far more torturous because of the team he had. You got a genuine feeling of hopelessness looking at that Pakistan team...like it had no future. Particularly that batting order that featured the likes of Selfie, Akmal brothers, Asad Shafiq (?), Afridi at his brainless peak with bat. It was like the other teams were playing cricket in 2010s while Pakistan was playing cricket in the 1970s.

This team is by no means great but with a better captain, a good coach and some stability in the selection set-up, you could still get something out of it. The talent pool outside the team also isn't as bone dry as it was back then.

I honestly can't recall Pakistan ever having a worse squad of players for the WC then we did in 2015.

When it comes to tests, there is no comparison. Misbah is one of Pakistan's best ever test captains. Though I wouldn't put him anywhere near Kardar, Mushtaq Mohammad and Imran.
 
I can agree that Misbah's white-ball stint may not have been the greatest but you also need to factor in the resources he had at his disposal at that time. Pakistan's fast bowling resources from 2011-2015 were at its absolute lowest. Misbah had to deal with the likes of Rahat Ali, Aizaz Cheema, Ehsan Adil, Mohammad Talha, Sohail Khan, Anwar Ali, Bilawal Bhatti. These were all rubbish bowlers.

It was actually smart of him to realize that he needed to develop his bowling attack through spin where he had the services of Ajmal, Hafeez and Afridi.

People just don't factor in the rubbish team that Pakistan had post-World Cup 2011 till 2015.

Despite that, Misbah's ODI captaincy achievements still outshines everyone. With that horrible team, Misbah has an Asia Cup, an ODI series win against India in India and an ODI series win against South Africa in South Africa. These achievements cannot be discounted at all.

With regards to his Test captaincy, there is simply no debate. He was the best Pakistani captain.

Babar does not hold a candle to Misbah in captaincy. This is a no-brainer.
 
PCT bowling without Ajmal for years was really meh until Shaheen Naseem or Amir(came back).

Considering the team Babar has, he is easily worst, Shaheen and Naseem actually can bat and yet he loses, Rizwan keeps well and does anchor too.
 
I can agree that Misbah's white-ball stint may not have been the greatest but you also need to factor in the resources he had at his disposal at that time. Pakistan's fast bowling resources from 2011-2015 were at its absolute lowest. Misbah had to deal with the likes of Rahat Ali, Aizaz Cheema, Ehsan Adil, Mohammad Talha, Sohail Khan, Anwar Ali, Bilawal Bhatti. These were all rubbish bowlers.

It was actually smart of him to realize that he needed to develop his bowling attack through spin where he had the services of Ajmal, Hafeez and Afridi.

People just don't factor in the rubbish team that Pakistan had post-World Cup 2011 till 2015.

Despite that, Misbah's ODI captaincy achievements still outshines everyone. With that horrible team, Misbah has an Asia Cup, an ODI series win against India in India and an ODI series win against South Africa in South Africa. These achievements cannot be discounted at all.

With regards to his Test captaincy, there is simply no debate. He was the best Pakistani captain.

Babar does not hold a candle to Misbah in captaincy. This is a no-brainer.
The teams that beat India in India and SA in SA actually had very strong bowling attacks in Irfan, Junaid, Gul, Hafeez, Ajmal, Afridi, Tanvir, etc. From 2012-2014, Pakistan could virtually defend any target with these boys, and then Ajmal got banned and Junaid and Irfan got inured. The batting was just always weak barring some good Hafeez and Umar Akmal innings, but the bowling attack up until 2015 wasn't too bad. Even the horrid 2015 WC was the battings' fault. The bowlers did well despite Sohail Khan and Rahat Ali being our frontlines 💀
 
Babar's era will be remembered as very dark and stagnant. There was a complete lack of growth and horrible utilization of resources. The damages he's caused as captain will take years to fix. Misbah at least had red ball going for him and still managed to get ODI wins against India, SA, and West Indies (who were much better back then), all on their home turfs. He didn't even have a great team.

So it's a no brainer really. The players enjoyed their cricket more back then and played with pride. The captain was more mature and wanted it more. And no I'm not even a fan of Misbah, but Babar has made Pakistan cricket a laughing stock and a virtual minnow.
 
red ball no contest, it's 100% misbah
neither have been good white ball captains but it's babar who is the least worst
 
Lol misbah was good test captain , average ODI captain since he didn’t have much resources . Babar despite having good teams failed every occassion
 
Misbah had far better leadership skills and delivered beyond the limitations he had.
Both are mediocre captains, but Misbah is far far better.
 
I would like to add that Babars success under Misbahs coaching was better
 
When it comes to only captaincy based on their form in their time,

Misbah wins the race every day. He was far superior in red ball specially and in white-ball he is a few inches above Babar because Misbah had limited resources to play with while Babar has some good players in the team but he never used them to their full potential like abarar ahemd for example.
 
Misbah by a country mile, Babar has achieved nothing in all three formats as captain.

Teams like England and Australia beat Pakistan in their actual home under Babar.
 
Misbah has drawn a test series in England, leading him team with a standout performance in first test. Those push-ups come to the mind straightaway even though it might be 10 years old.
 
Both were terrible. The difference really is that Misbah actually had some captaincy credentials and wasn’t (for the lack of a better term) as dumb as Babar. So overall was a better captain and leader.

But what’s worse about Misbah is he CHOSE to be defensive. And what’s even worse is Misbah created this tuk tuk culture.

For better or worse, the players that preceded Misbah’s era were run scorers and the younger generation aspired to be like them.

Since then all we’ve produced is a long line of accumulators.

It is embarassing how poor we are at six hitting. We are lagging behind even the minnows. We are looked at as a bunch of weaklings who even in the era of crazy bats can’t even hit sixes.
 
Misbah won a test series in NZ and WI (the only time in pak's history) and drew in Eng. Also the only Captain to take Pak to the top of the rankings (albeit briefly).

Babar got whitewashed at home

Misbah was also smart and professional, while Babar is pretty dumb
 
The title of worst captain previously belonged to Mohammad Yousuf.

Babar is now the worst captain in the history of the PCT. To be fair to Mohammad Yousuf, he didn't lead the side for a long time. Babar got unlimited backing and support and didn't have to deal with problematic players like Malik, Afridi, Akmals and Younis.
 
Misbah was a far better captain. With an underwhelming talent. Misbah reached the knockout of 50 overs World Cup. He brought Pakistan to no. 1 Test position.

He was far better leader, tactician and man manager. If he had the resources and player talent pool that Babar has then Misbah would've achieved a lot more for Pakistan as a captain than Babar has.
 
From on-field strategy don’t see a huge difference. However Misbah seems like a respectful statesman like figure and is a bonafide gentleman. He did navigate Pakistan cricket through rough waters so respect.

From a batting perspective if someone has a gun to my head to watch their batting, as a cricket purist I will pick Babar Azam anyday and twice on a Sunday.
 
If i needed 15 off the last over i will go with misbah.

Both are mentally weak players though who have bottled in crunch moments.
 
Misbah is a millions times better. Misbah just let his nepotism and dosti yaari get in the way.

Babar is Misbah + Stupid on the field.
 
Misbah is a millions times better. Misbah just let his nepotism and dosti yaari get in the way.

Babar is Misbah + Stupid on the field.
Apples to apples: whose batting do you enjoy? Misbah was too one-dimensional as a batsman I feel. Babar is attractive to watch when in flow.
 
Apples to apples: whose batting do you enjoy? Misbah was too one-dimensional as a batsman I feel. Babar is attractive to watch when in flow.
This thread is about captaincy? Lol.

Babar is not attractive to watch, he's a marketing propaganda who's stat inflated. Every tournament he gets exposed for being very ordinary with a few good performances like his India game in 2021 and nz game in 2019, but otherwise he'd be averaging 35 if he faced top sides in foreign conditions regularly.

Babar has a very poor backfoot play, and is mostly drives and pulls.

Attractive to watch would be someone like Jos butler.

Now to answer your question as to who's the better batsmen.

In test Misbah, in odi Babar azam. In t20 both are garbage but Babar is slightly better.
 
Misbah without a doubt. As a captain and a batter.

In tests and in T20 WC he was also the better batsman. No Pakistani has played crunch T20 knocks like Misbah did in the first t20 wc ( all the way until the final :( ). He was literally one shot away from being a Pakistani ATG.
 
Test cricket defines captains as it requires the greatest technical acumen and strategy of any of the formats.
By association, captaincy in T20 isn’t exactly difficult.

Babar is by a country mile worse than Misbah.
Babar is one of the worst captains I have seen from Pakistan (and let’s face it, there are many of them in the “tactically clueless” camp).
Lovely batsmen (esp in longer formats), truly useless captain.
 
My vote goes to Misbah as atleast he managed to get some very good wins in UAE and knew how to manage the spin resources at his disposal. Heck i am pretty sure if he was captaining in Pakistan, he would know what type of wickets to prepare and which bowlers to use.

Babar in comparison is completely incompetent and probably would have picked Nawaz as his lead spinner against England in 2012 even if there was a Saeed Ajmal and Abdul Rehman available.
There's no comparison of Misbah with Babar. Misbah is miles ahead.
 
Babar is one of the worst captain and extremely over-hyped player in cricket.
 
There is no comparison.

Misbah by far was a great captain, he knew how to use limited resources to the best of use. He would never play on myths but on the conditions of the ground.

He managed to get Pakistan into the quater finals by taking a 4 man pace attack and when Hafeez got banned, the guy decided to turn Haris Sohail into a 5th bowling option and it worked.

Misbah knew the art of how to reduce the margin between runs required and balls remaining. For that, his main crucial weapon used to be his 5th and 6th bowling option who were part timers. The skill was to decide when to use the part time bowler and get the margins reduced. Misbah was attacking and defensive when the situation required.

Misbah knew how to employ his spinners so well that he even played 3 spinners in a match and has even opened the bowling spell with a spinner in test. He would do this in limited overs, before other captains started doing this.

On the other hand, Babar seems soo confused that he doesnt even know when to bring in a spinner. Babar sees that Shaheen picks up a wicket in first over, he decides to use him for every first over of the game, irrelevent if he is fit or what the conditions are. No matter what the situation is, babar is always worried when he has to use his spinner and he ends up trying to use all his spinners by the 15-16 over.

Babar not once used a part timer so that he could have multiple options of bowlers in the end. It was the same story in every game. Haris, Shaheen and Naseem having overs left, and no matter if they were hit for 30 runs per over, he would only have the option to bowl them in death.

People used to whine about defensive captiancy in Misbah's era, Babar is what aggressive captiancy looks like. This is why, for the last 14 years i ahve always said on Pakistan, you cannot be a fully defensive or aggressive captian. You need to adjust with what the match situation requires. Misbah got critisizied for being defensive captian, but Misbah used to adjust with what the situation warranted. Babar was a pure aggressive captain, who would try to attack and lose the match in the end.

As for field placements, Babar was an absolute idiot in this regard. He would remove long on and long off and have them at mid on and mid off in death overs.
 
A better thread would be Mohammad Yousuf vs Babar azam as captain
 
I find it amazing to think Babar is still the T20 captain of Pakistan

Wow
 
There is no comparison.

Misbah by far was a great captain, he knew how to use limited resources to the best of use. He would never play on myths but on the conditions of the ground.

He managed to get Pakistan into the quater finals by taking a 4 man pace attack and when Hafeez got banned, the guy decided to turn Haris Sohail into a 5th bowling option and it worked.

Misbah knew the art of how to reduce the margin between runs required and balls remaining. For that, his main crucial weapon used to be his 5th and 6th bowling option who were part timers. The skill was to decide when to use the part time bowler and get the margins reduced. Misbah was attacking and defensive when the situation required.

Misbah knew how to employ his spinners so well that he even played 3 spinners in a match and has even opened the bowling spell with a spinner in test. He would do this in limited overs, before other captains started doing this.

On the other hand, Babar seems soo confused that he doesnt even know when to bring in a spinner. Babar sees that Shaheen picks up a wicket in first over, he decides to use him for every first over of the game, irrelevent if he is fit or what the conditions are. No matter what the situation is, babar is always worried when he has to use his spinner and he ends up trying to use all his spinners by the 15-16 over.

Babar not once used a part timer so that he could have multiple options of bowlers in the end. It was the same story in every game. Haris, Shaheen and Naseem having overs left, and no matter if they were hit for 30 runs per over, he would only have the option to bowl them in death.

People used to whine about defensive captiancy in Misbah's era, Babar is what aggressive captiancy looks like. This is why, for the last 14 years i ahve always said on Pakistan, you cannot be a fully defensive or aggressive captian. You need to adjust with what the match situation requires. Misbah got critisizied for being defensive captian, but Misbah used to adjust with what the situation warranted. Babar was a pure aggressive captain, who would try to attack and lose the match in the end.

As for field placements, Babar was an absolute idiot in this regard. He would remove long on and long off and have them at mid on and mid off in death overs.
Sarfraz and wahab got him their. Misbah's ego against sarfraz nearly booted him Into oblivion. Get over this Misbah love good god. He's a better captain then Babar but you fantasize way too much.
 
There is no comparison.

Misbah by far was a great captain, he knew how to use limited resources to the best of use. He would never play on myths but on the conditions of the ground.

He managed to get Pakistan into the quater finals by taking a 4 man pace attack and when Hafeez got banned, the guy decided to turn Haris Sohail into a 5th bowling option and it worked.

Misbah knew the art of how to reduce the margin between runs required and balls remaining. For that, his main crucial weapon used to be his 5th and 6th bowling option who were part timers. The skill was to decide when to use the part time bowler and get the margins reduced. Misbah was attacking and defensive when the situation required.

Misbah knew how to employ his spinners so well that he even played 3 spinners in a match and has even opened the bowling spell with a spinner in test. He would do this in limited overs, before other captains started doing this.

On the other hand, Babar seems soo confused that he doesnt even know when to bring in a spinner. Babar sees that Shaheen picks up a wicket in first over, he decides to use him for every first over of the game, irrelevent if he is fit or what the conditions are. No matter what the situation is, babar is always worried when he has to use his spinner and he ends up trying to use all his spinners by the 15-16 over.

Babar not once used a part timer so that he could have multiple options of bowlers in the end. It was the same story in every game. Haris, Shaheen and Naseem having overs left, and no matter if they were hit for 30 runs per over, he would only have the option to bowl them in death.

People used to whine about defensive captiancy in Misbah's era, Babar is what aggressive captiancy looks like. This is why, for the last 14 years i ahve always said on Pakistan, you cannot be a fully defensive or aggressive captian. You need to adjust with what the match situation requires. Misbah got critisizied for being defensive captian, but Misbah used to adjust with what the situation warranted. Babar was a pure aggressive captain, who would try to attack and lose the match in the end.

As for field placements, Babar was an absolute idiot in this regard. He would remove long on and long off and have them at mid on and mid off in death overs.
A great captain who finished at the bottom of the Ct group with 3 losses from 3 games
 
Captaincy wise Misbah is miles ahead.

Babar had everything going for him but he failed to build a team. Not his fault alone, PCB/selectors have to be blamed for it as well.
 
misbah was an excellent brain for test cricket, he knew exactly how to win in the UAE and applied the strategy to perfection. babar is clueless everywhere, so no comparison really.
 
If bobby given full choice in selection he will beat all teams

Azam Khan(WK)
Asif Ali
Babar Azam(Cuptaan)
Iftikhar ahmed
Khush Dil Shah
Shadab Khan
Mohd Nawaz
Hasan ali
Haris Rauf
Naseem shah
Zaman khan
 
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