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With misbah equaling ganguly 's record for most away wins in much lesser matches , do you think he has overtaken ganguly as captain.Aslo has much better test avg and proved his captaincy and batting skills in his first away tour to england as captain:misbah
 
Misbah is competing to be the 2nd best captain from Asia.

Let Ganguly take over Saleem Malik first (was a great tactician).
 
Good comparison. If Misbah captains us to victory in Australia, he overtakes Ganguly becoming only second to Imran.
 
It's an insult to Ganguly that he's being compared with a captain like misbah. Yes, I personally like misbah. With all due respect to him, I don't think as a captain he's anywhere to the great Saurav.


Ganguly transformed the whole Indian team and their mindset. He personally groomed many players who later become the stars of Indian cricket.


He's arguably the best captain of all time.
 
Prince_ said:
It's an insult to Ganguly that he's being compared with a captain like misbah. Yes, I personally like misbah. With all due respect to him, I don't think as a captain he's anywhere to the great Saurav.


Ganguly transformed the whole Indian team and their mindset. He personally groomed many players who later become the stars of Indian cricket.


He's arguably the best captain of all time.
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Lloyd and Border left much more dominant teams after they retired.
 
Prince_ said:
It's an insult to Ganguly that he's being compared with a captain like misbah. Yes, I personally like misbah. With all due respect to him, I don't think as a captain he's anywhere to the great Saurav.


Ganguly transformed the whole Indian team and their mindset. He personally groomed many players who later become the stars of Indian cricket.


He's arguably the best captain of all time.
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Lloyd, Border, Taylor, Waugh, and Imran were all better captains.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
[MENTION=139315]Indian_Supporter[/MENTION] and [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]
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They are having a field day after drawing the series against Eng...so let them enjoy. All will sink in pretty soon :)

As far as this thread is concerned, Ganguly handsdown.

Its not always about winning overseas but the caliber of team you are beating.
Under Ganguly, India beat the invincible Australian side in 2001.

Drawn against the ATG Australian team in Aust in 2003.

Drawn the series againt Eng in 2003.

Beat Pakistan in Pakistan in 2004

He took over the captaincy when Indian team was at the brink due to fixing scandals. From there on developed a team and fighting spirit which still can be felt today. Inspired a generation of cricketers.

So for me Ganguly is the greatest test captain from Asia.


Misbah's Pakistan on the other hand played only 1 ATG test team i.e SA and manage to only draw in UAE. Beat a weak Aust team and lost pretty poorly in SA. Also, the Zim test loss was a black mark.

This Eng tour and couple of series where Pak beat Eng in UAE is only something to be talked about.


So its no brainer who is better :)
 
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Belawal2014 said:
You wish.
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Ask any person in the street Pakistan and what they think about when they remember Misbah.

Chetan Sharma was responsible for a 2-0 series victory (not even a draw) in England yet it is the Miandad six that will be remembered.

10-20 years down the line Misbah's test results will only be remembered by cricket geeks but his scoop in 2007 and tuk tuk in 2011 will never be forgotten. They made a nation cry. They are the matches Pakistani supporters include as the worst of all time and who was responsible for it? Misbah.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Cricket does not start and end with India. You need to come out of your delusion.

Misbah's legacy is drawn series in England.

Misbah's legacy is whitewashes of Australia and England in home series.

Misbah's legacy is Asia cup win in Bangladesh.
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You think average person in Pakistan remembers that? No one cares.

You think people when they talk about Dhoni talk about drawn series in SA or whitewashes of Oz (twice) in home series and NZ and WI. Do you think they even talk of the no 1 test mace?

Do you think they talk about his Asia cup wins in 2010 and 2016. Heck do they even talk of the 2013 CT?

No.

They talk about WT20 2007 and WC 2011.

Everyone in Pakistan remembers Imran not for his test record but because of the 1992 world cup which is celebrated even now. You have anniversary threads and they are responded by people who weren't around.

Afridi is loved in Pakistan because of 2009.

Anything Misbah does will always be overshadowed by those two events.

Once is bad but twice?
 
geraltofrivia said:
You think average person in Pakistan remembers that? No one cares.

You think people when they talk about Dhoni talk about drawn series in SA or whitewashes of Oz (twice) in home series and NZ and WI. Do you think they even talk of the no 1 test mace?

Do you think they talk about his Asia cup wins in 2010 and 2016. Heck do they even talk of the 2013 CT?

No.

They talk about WT20 2007 and WC 2011.

Everyone in Pakistan remembers Imran not for his test record but because of the 1992 world cup which is celebrated even now. You have anniversary threads and they are responded by people who weren't around.

Afridi is loved in Pakistan because of 2009.

Anything Misbah does will always be overshadowed by those two events.
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As I said, you need to come out of your delusion of self-importance, losses to Indian team in world cups have not defined careers of any Pakistani cricketers.

Imran's team lost the WC game against India but nobody in Pakistan cares about that loss because eventually Pakistan won that world cup.
Wasim's team lost to India, he is still regarded as one of the best captains and an ATG fast bowler.
Afridi lost several WC matches to India, he is still so damn popular.
 
Can Ganguly do 10 push-ups?

He whined like a sissy when an Aussie coach pushed him a bit physically
 
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The_Odd_One said:
As I said, you need to come out of your delusion of self-importance, losses to Indian team in world cups have not defined careers of any Pakistani cricketers.

Imran's team lost the WC game against India but nobody in Pakistan cares about that loss because eventually Pakistan won that world cup.
Wasim's team lost to India, he is still regarded as one of the best captains and an ATG fast bowler.
Afridi lost several WC matches to India, he is still so damn popular.
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Misbah didn't lose just any WC match.

If you are comparing Joburg 07 and Mohali 11 to some group stage or super six match then you are deluded.
 
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geraltofrivia said:
Misbah didn't lose just any WC match.

If you are comparing Joburg 07 and Mohali 11 to some group stage or super six match then you are deluded.
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Just like this is Ganguly's legacy? Who is going to remember that drawn series in Australia when he had no answer to Ponting's assault on Indian phaast bowlers.

 
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I will like to know [MENTION=38544]Indianfan[/MENTION] 's opinion here.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Just like this is Ganguly's legacy? Who is going to remember that drawn series in Australia when he had no answer to Ponting's assault on Indian phaast bowlers.

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Yes this is a part of Ganguly's legacy. No one's denying that. When people will talk of Ganguly in the future the 2003 WC final will figure.

But Ganguly also led his team to an ICC trophy which is also part of his legacy.

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You might think I am trolling but let's do a test. If you are in Pakistan go to any 10 Pakistanis and ask them what comes to their mind when they hear the word 'Misbah' - you'll have your answer.
 
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Ganguly.Misbah is a good man manager but not so good tactically.
 
geraltofrivia said:
Yes this is a part of Ganguly's legacy. No one's denying that. When people will talk of Ganguly in the future the 2003 WC final will figure.

But Ganguly also led his team to an ICC trophy which is also part of his legacy.

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You might think I am trolling but let's do a test. If you are in Pakistan go to any 10 Pakistanis and ask them what comes to their mind when they hear the word 'Misbah' - you'll have your answer.
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So, Misbah also led his team to Asia cup victory.

If you are in India go to any 10 Indians and ask them what comes to their mind when they hear the word 'Ganguly', you will hear WC final phainty and quarrel with Chappell.
 
Ganguly took off his shirt and revealed gangster chains and was shouting off the balcony.

Misbah does salutes and mean pushups to show his class and strength.

Who won? Who's next? You decide.
 
The_Odd_One said:
So, Misbah also led his team to Asia cup victory.

If you are in India go to any 10 Indians and ask them what comes to their mind when they hear the word 'Ganguly', you will hear WC final phainty and quarrel with Chappell.
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Then that is part of his legacy.

And that is not Asia cup. It's champion's trophy. No one gives a damn about the Asia cup except Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. We clean swept this year and no one even celebrated. Dhoni hit a six and calmly walked in.
 
geraltofrivia said:
Then that is part of his legacy.

And that is not Asia cup. It's champion's trophy. No one gives a damn about the Asia cup except Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. We clean swept this year and no one even celebrated. Dhoni hit a six and calmly walked in.
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Nobody gives a damn about Champions Trophy too, that is why ICC was scrapping that tournament.
 
Suleiman said:
Ganguly took off his shirt and revealed gangster chains and was shouting off the balcony.

Misbah does salutes and mean pushups to show his class and strength.

Who won? Who's next? You decide.
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Former didn't have the guts to come to the ground and do it in front of the opposition players.

Hid behind his own players, in the corner of the balcony. That too without any good physical built or muscles.

Chickenheart.
 
and Saurav too led his team to a series draw in England in 2002 which again no one particularly cares about.
 
Hawkeye said:
Former didn't have the guts to come to the ground and do it in front of the opposition players.

Hid behind his own players, in the corner of the balcony. That too without any good physical built or muscles.

Chickenheart.
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Yeah, Misbah has strong shoulders.
 
geraltofrivia said:
and Saurav too led his team to a series draw in England in 2002 which again no one particularly cares about.
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In your own words, common man does not care about those drawn test series and people remember moments like winning a WC which Ganguly failed to do. So, no point in bringing up that series from 2002 and that too when England was a nothing team.
 
Ganguly definitely much better than Misbah. Didn't like his antics but no questions on his cricketing brain. #Ganguly
 
Ganguly revolutionized Indian cricket like no other.

Turned around their team after the Azharuddin-Jadeja mess and when Tendulkar failed as a captain.

Made them realize their potential and led them to many home and overseas victories with the pinnacle being the 2003 WC final.

Laid the groundwork for Dhoni which led them to win the 2011 WC and 2013 CT

No-brainer for me...
 
I'll always pick Misbah over Afridi, both as player and captain. But Ganguly is completely on a different level.
He made the team to believe that they can win anywhere. We had super stars even in 90s but couldn't win frequently. And moreover, he captained the side when teams were more much stronger and competitive than present day teams.
 
Cool similarities. Both took up the reigns of captaincy after a match fixing scandal.

Ganguly created a team for all formats in the times when cricket was at its peak post the turn of this century. All teams were competitive home and away and there were spectacular teams like Aussies and SA dominating the game. Ganguly brought in future stars like Sehwag, Yuvi, Bhajji, Zak etc. in the team who paved the way for a WC win and some amazing test victories. Ganguly also fixed the bowling issues that were plaguing Indian team but soon after he left the team was back to square 1 in terms of bowlers.

Misbah has created a good test team and specially fixed the batting culture problem that was Shahid Afridi's legacy. Not sure how long will this change last post Misbah's exit but he's surely taught the present crop of the Pakistani batsmen how to preserve their wicket. Where Misbah excels is that he did this at an age of 40+ where most of the players leave the game (Ganguly was struggling in IPL in late 30s) and did it with great dignity usually unknown for Pakistani players. Where Misbah failed and failed terribly is that he has pushed Pakistan to the bottom of the bottom of ODI rankings. The ODI team at least in the present form stinks and it's really an embarrassment for all cricket watchers. Sadly he doesn't have time to improve on that aspect but maybe his follower Azhar Ali can do something about it. Let's see.
 
Misbah is the best captain to come out of Asia post 2000s and the second only to Imran when it comes to all captains from Asia.

BTW people remember people remember ODIs and T20s ????? The Standards have unfortunately sunk to an all time low I guess :( smh :facepalm:
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Misbah is the best captain to come out of Asia post 2000s and the second only to Imran when it comes to all captains from Asia.

BTW people remember people remember ODIs and T20s ????? The Standards have unfortunately sunk to an all time low I guess :( smh :facepalm:
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I consider only timeless tests as the purest and only true format of cricket. Rest is mickey mouse. :wg
 
I think purely on test results he is head and shoulders above Ganguly. But Ganugly is rightfully measured on the future template he left behind for Indian cricketers. The hard nosed aggression.
Now Misbah might be on his way to leave his own method and legacy (controlled aggression and a stronger spine) on the test team. But that impact can only be measured after his departure.
 
its shame how biased some indian fans r around here... to start with, Ganguly had a much more stable and superior team... Sehwag, Gambhir (in his prime) Dravid, Sachin, Laxman, Kumble, Zaheer, Harbajan, Ganguly himself... 9/11 of the greats of indian cricketers ever... add kapil and gavaskar and thts pretty much all time indian XI and still they just managed a drawn series in Aus when i dont think ( i am not sure 100%) but warne and Mgrath didnt even play in the game they won. only 1 series win away from sub-continent..

compared to tht, misbah had one of the weakest pakistani team to begin with.. apart from Younas and somewat Ajmal, no1 in tht team would have made to a pakistani all time X1... not a chance... just had medicocre fast bowlers, decent spinners and below avg batting lineup and still he achieved what he achieved... so stop being biased and hands down xcept tht Misbah has been a better captain than Ganguly..
 
Misbah took over this team when we were at the lowest point of our cricketing history. The team was mired in controversy with no support even from their own fans! He took that team and almost made us the number 1 team in the world, and too without playing a single match at home.

It's pathetic to see how Indians are calling this a troll thread. :facepalm:
 
Misbah is a better captain than Ganguly who was an embarrassment on the pitch during his last days. Guy couldnt even see or hear the ball against Shoaib. Felt bad for him.
 
Love this thread :) Total gasoline for both sides :)

On point, best to ask rival captains and pundits. I suspect both will score massively and will be tough to distinguish. Anyone tweet to Bumble, Nasser, Wasim, Sehwag, Warne etc?
 
Haroon786 said:
Yes he was and by a land slide, but obviously don't get subjective bias in the way.
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Ganguly has win % 27 and IK has win % of 16
Ganguly won 21 of 48 tests compared to IK who won 14 of 48 tests
Under Ganguly India beat the ATG Australian team in 2001....IK never beaten the ATG WI team even after 4 series.

Imran Khan is the best test captain from Asia is a myth.

Tests:

Ganguly
Imran
Wadekar
Pataudi
Misbah/Dhoni

ODIs

MSD
Ganguly
Imran
Ranatunga
Wasim

In these order
 
Ganguly being maybe better than Misbah is a valid point to some extent but it really is laughable to claim that Ganguly is better than Imran in anyway whatsoever
 
Slog said:
Ganguly being maybe better than Misbah is a valid point to some extent but it really is laughable to claim that Ganguly is better than Imran in anyway whatsoever
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but but but but ...... Kapil's SR was better :)) :))
 
Indian_Supporter said:
Ganguly has win % 27 and IK has win % of 16
Ganguly won 21 of 48 tests compared to IK who won 14 of 48 tests
Under Ganguly India beat the ATG Australian team in 2001....IK never beaten the ATG WI team even after 4 series.

Imran Khan is the best test captain from Asia is a myth.

Tests:

Ganguly
Imran
Wadekar
Pataudi
Misbah/Dhoni

ODIs

MSD
Ganguly
Imran
Ranatunga
Wasim

In these order
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How is Ganguly a better ODI captain than IK?
 
Obstructing_the_field said:
its shame how biased some indian fans r around here...
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Okay, let's get it underway.

Obstructing_the_field said:
to start with, Ganguly had a much more stable and superior team... Sehwag, Gambhir (in his prime) Dravid, Sachin, Laxman, Kumble, Zaheer, Harbajan, Ganguly himself... 9/11 of the greats of indian cricketers ever... add kapil and gavaskar and thts pretty much all time indian XI
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Some nice rewriting of history there. Firstly Ganguly captained India for around five years from the start of the millenium. And he took over the reins after India were mired in fixing allegations, and the disastrous stint of Tendulkar following it. India were the 6th best team in the preceding 5 years and were known for their abject surrenders outside of their home comfort, described often as lions at home and lambs away. So the Indian team he inherited was by no "great and stable" team by any stretch of the imagination.

Zaheer had just made his debut when Ganguly took over and he was bog ordinary at the start of his career. Only after his stint at Worcestershire in 2006, Zaheer learnt to swing the ball well and became a good bowler. And the Gambhir claim is just absurd because he only debuted in the last year of Ganguly's tenure. Yes, India had some talented and great players in Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, but so does every great team. Lloyd's team contained champions, Imran's team had champion bowlers, and so did Ponting's. You cannot become a great team with just ordinary players.

Obstructing_the_field said:
and still they just managed a drawn series in Aus when i dont think ( i am not sure 100%) but warne and Mgrath didnt even play in the game they won. only 1 series win away from sub-continent..
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Yes, India "just" managed to draw a single series in Australia, against the same team every team got demolished even at home, let alone in Australia. That Australian team only lost 2 series away from home during Ganguly's tenure - once in India against Ganguly and other in that famous 2005 Ashes series. Many teams hardly won a test in Australia, forget about drawing a series. So yeah, that was a pretty good achievement by Ganguly. And Warne being brought up is one of the biggest strawmans I have read here considering that he averaged 63 in Australia against India. India won at home against Australia having McGrath and Warne as well, which no team achieved other than England during the 05 Ashes.

Obstructing_the_field said:
compared to tht, misbah had one of the weakest pakistani team to begin with.. apart from Younas and somewat Ajmal, no1 in tht team would have made to a pakistani all time X1... not a chance... just had medicocre fast bowlers, decent spinners and below avg batting lineup and still he achieved what he achieved... so stop being biased and hands down xcept tht Misbah has been a better captain than Ganguly..
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Both have faced one ATG team each in their time. Ganguly won at home against the ATG Aussie side and drew a series away. Misbah faced the great South African side (which was still inferior to that the Australian side), and he drew at home and got whitewashed away against that side. Both have drawn a series each in England. There is nothing to be biased about here. I have great respect for Misbah but he has a fair distance to go before overtaking Ganguly.
 
This thread is filled with garbage posts from all sides. :(

Its an embarrasment to read posts from both sides here.

And no Immy is not >>>>>>> than Ganguly but he was defo better than Ganguly.

As for Misbah....he is tactically weak...selects the wrong team (isn't proactive when it comes to getting the right people in)..isn't a visionary to build teams.....but is bloody good at attritional captaincy.....and is a great man manager.

Good captain overall but not better than some of the iconic captains in the world.

People are taking a few results and going hyper with it.

Captaincy is never about results but about approach.

Dhoni in 2010 drew a series in SA (where SA were huffing and puffing to save it)....That peak SA was one of the top 5 sides ever...Does that make Dhoni a great captain?

Not really.

There is more to captaincy that just results and numbers.

Irony is that if England had somehow saved the test, there would be 10 threads criticizing Misbah's captaincy. Heck, there was a couple when Pak were about to win.

Same goes for Younis. 1 test back, he was ultra lulloo and now he is almost made into some ultra supreme batsman that he wasn't. In reality, he was a bloody good test player and a bigger clutch test player than most ATGs.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
This thread is filled with garbage posts from all sides. :(

Its an embarrasment to read posts from both sides here.

And no Immy is not >>>>>>> than Ganguly but he was defo better than Ganguly.

As for Misbah....he is tactically weak...selects the wrong team (isn't proactive when it comes to getting the right people in)..isn't a visionary to build teams.....but is bloody good at attritional captaincy.....and is a great man manager.

Good captain overall but not better than some of the iconic captains in the world.

People are taking a few results and going hyper with it.

Captaincy is never about results but about approach.

Dhoni in 2010 drew a series in SA (where SA were huffing and puffing to save it)....That peak SA was one of the top 5 sides ever...Does that make Dhoni a great captain?

Not really.

There is more to captaincy that just results and numbers.

Irony is that if England had somehow saved the test, there would be 10 threads criticizing Misbah's captaincy. Heck, there was a couple when Pak were about to win.

Same goes for Younis. 1 test back, he was ultra lulloo and now he is almost made into some ultra supreme batsman that he wasn't. In reality, he was a bloody good test player and a bigger clutch test player than most ATGs.
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But they didn't. And in 3rd test, had our batting not folded, we'd have won this series.
 
Indian_Supporter said:
They are having a field day after drawing the series against Eng...so let them enjoy. All will sink in pretty soon :)

As far as this thread is concerned, Ganguly handsdown.

Its not always about winning overseas but the caliber of team you are beating.
Under Ganguly, India beat the invincible Australian side in 2001.

Drawn against the ATG Australian team in Aust in 2003.

Drawn the series againt Eng in 2003.

Beat Pakistan in Pakistan in 2004

He took over the captaincy when Indian team was at the brink due to fixing scandals. From there on developed a team and fighting spirit which still can be felt today. Inspired a generation of cricketers.

So for me Ganguly is the greatest test captain from Asia.


Misbah's Pakistan on the other hand played only 1 ATG test team i.e SA and manage to only draw in UAE. Beat a weak Aust team and lost pretty poorly in SA. Also, the Zim test loss was a black mark.

This Eng tour and couple of series where Pak beat Eng in UAE is only something to be talked about.


So its no brainer who is better :)
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So Pakistan beat a weak Australia and then the point is made that India drew with an ATG Aussies away from home, dont you mean India drew against an Australian team missing some of their 2 main world class strike bowlers...? lets not get to carried away with indias draw against an under strength aussie side.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
But they didn't. And in 3rd test, had our batting not folded, we'd have won this series.
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I know...but you can see the point I am making.

Anyways, as for 3rd test, Misbah was right in defending (situation demanded it) but he also allowed England to run away with the game when everyone could see England was playing for the Day 4 final session slaughter.

Team strength and captaincy are often confused (speaking in general).
 
Buffet said:
Lloyd and Border left much more dominant teams after they retired.
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The_Odd_One said:
Lloyd, Border, Taylor, Waugh, and Imran were all better captains.
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That's why I said arguably. I haven't seen much of Border, Taylor and don't know how were they as a captain.

But comparing someone like misbah who's light years behind Ganguly both as a player and a captain should be considered as a cricketing blasphemy :amla


Yes, when the competition is between Ganguly and Imran, it's quite difficult to find the winner. But personally I believe Imran's legacy as a captain died the day he retired from cricket whereas Ganguly built a structure/system as a captain which is still the backbone of Indian cricket.


The success that Indian odi and test team has been seeing these days r the reasult of the system that Ganguly built decades ago. That's why I consider him the best captain India has ever produced and arguably the greatest captain in the history of cricket. :srini
 
Slog said:
Ganguly being maybe better than Misbah is a valid point to some extent but it really is laughable to claim that Ganguly is better than Imran in anyway whatsoever
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Check the stats I posted and tell me why comparing Ganguly with Imran is laughable?
 
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