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Mitchell Starc - Seems like he is the next big thing

Having watched every Test played by both Starc and Pattinson, I find it very hard to believe anyone who had done the same would come to that conclusion. But each to their own.

I'm talking about where Starc is now and what he'll achieve going forward. I think this kid is going to be one of the best bowlers in int'l cricket over the next ten years. Time will tell.
 
Starc has improved no doubt and probably Aus's premier LOI bowler atm but he's still got a lot to prove in Tests.
 
I haven't seen much of the trio I.e the three young Aussie fast men, I do think Starc is better cause he was unplayable in the UAE series and then in the world t20.
 
Would love to see Siddle, Starc, Pattison and Cummins in a Test team. Obviously it's a high risk strategy, particularly in India with the delicate Aussie bowlers known to have problems with keeping injury free.
 
shah 1 bro i thnk u are the most knwlegable fan here i admire ur thnking n yup u r ryt starc iz very talented he has fast , swing , control n the x factor which difr him frm other he has the hgt he can revers swing he can bowl lethal yorker which remains of wasim akram according 2 me starc is the best left arm bowler in the world ryt nw n styen is the best right arm bowler in the world joy 2 watch both of them n proud 2 b fan of them

I think I am 10 IQ points lower now that I tried to read that post.
 
most of our Members are Under rating Talent of Junaid khan
Junaid khan will show in near future who is better Starc or Junaid
for me Junaid
Starc has taken wickets vs WI in Perth even Akthar was Unplayable in Perth pitch
 
most of our Members are Under rating Talent of Junaid khan
Junaid khan will show in near future who is better Starc or Junaid
for me Junaid
Starc has taken wickets vs WI in Perth even Akthar was Unplayable in Perth pitch

Even Akhtar? What's that supposed to mean?
 
Mere Matlab sab Fast bowlers achy Performance karte hain Perth pitch per

Wish I knew the Urdu for you are talking bakwaas yet again.

Shoiab averaged 28 in Tests playing at Perth. He also played one ODI for no wickets (v India). Unplayable lmao.

Curtly Ambrose, there was a man unplayable in Perth.
 
Wish I knew the Urdu for you are talking bakwaas yet again.

Shoiab averaged 28 in Tests playing at Perth. He also played one ODI for no wickets (v India). Unplayable lmao.

Curtly Ambrose, there was a man unplayable in Perth.

That 7 wickets for 2 runs spell is burned into my brain. I was just a kid, watching in awe at this guy who it seemed it was an achievement just to survive 2 balls against him, actually scoring a single was like a dream.
 
That 7 wickets for 2 runs spell is burned into my brain. I was just a kid, watching in awe at this guy who it seemed it was an achievement just to survive 2 balls against him, actually scoring a single was like a dream.

Yeah I remember it pretty clearly. Just destroyed us like we were nothing.
 
Wish I knew the Urdu for you are talking bakwaas yet again.

Shoiab averaged 28 in Tests playing at Perth. He also played one ODI for no wickets (v India). Unplayable lmao.

Curtly Ambrose, there was a man unplayable in Perth.

yar tumhe urdu nahi atti Bhai
 
okay, letme tell you something guys.
All those people who think that he is Mitchell Johnson 2.0.

Well the reason he wont be like him is coze MJ has a slingy action that kills the swing and seam in his deliveries. While starc is quite the opposite

So starc most probably is never going to be something like MJ, he looks to be a far more exceptionally gifted pacer
 
That 7 wickets for 2 runs spell is burned into my brain. I was just a kid, watching in awe at this guy who it seemed it was an achievement just to survive 2 balls against him, actually scoring a single was like a dream.

I was at the ground as a 4-5 year old.

My most enduring memory of cricket.

Ground was a disgrace though. You could see the cracks from the boundaries.
 
wow, this patto guy real impressed. A 150k yorker then again 2 more effects bowled. Its awesome, i really hope he gets faster and more aggressive
 
Starc was ordinary again today, he just isn't test standard yet and he's more proof you don't pick test bowlers based on one day or 20/20 form.

Bird should have been in ahead of him.
 
Get your hands together for he's 30-odd short of approaching a ton at the moment in Chennai. For no wickets. That's what you get when you keep bowling around the wicket spearing it into the pads for a right-hander.

Looks like another non-Steyn bowler who needs green pitches to thrive. If and when Philander ever comes to India, I'll like to see how he goes as well.
 
Get your hands together for he's 30-odd short of approaching a ton at the moment in Chennai. For no wickets. That's what you get when you keep bowling around the wicket spearing it into the pads for a right-hander.

Looks like another non-Steyn bowler who needs green pitches to thrive. If and when Philander ever comes to India, I'll like to see how he goes as well.

I don't think he will have the guts to play in India.
 
Fantastic bowler on his day, and in ODIs pretty much every day is. Love the way he brings the ball back into the right handers.

Looks woeful on his bad days though, which are come along quite often in Test cricket, still there is tremendous raw potential there.

Best young pacer in the world at the moment after Boult without question.
 
Fantastic bowler on his day, and in ODIs pretty much every day is. Love the way he brings the ball back into the right handers.

Looks woeful on his bad days though, which are come along quite often in Test cricket, still there is tremendous raw potential there.

Best young pacer in the world at the moment after Boult without question.

initially when i saw him his ability to bowl late inswinging full lenght deliveries into right handers is awesome

lets hope wasim does not take credit for it
 
Fantastic bowler on his day, and in ODIs pretty much every day is. Love the way he brings the ball back into the right handers.

Looks woeful on his bad days though, which are come along quite often in Test cricket, still there is tremendous raw potential there.

Best young pacer in the world at the moment after Boult without question.

Dont you think boult is a faster version of mir hamza

mir hamza bowls in early 130s and has a natural inswinger while boult bowls in late 130s and has a natural inswinger to right handers
 
Dont you think boult is a faster version of mir hamza

mir hamza bowls in early 130s and has a natural inswinger while boult bowls in late 130s and has a natural inswinger to right handers

I don't trust upcoming Pakistani 'talents' any more. They are all garbage because we are a minnow nation now.
 
well this is just one game, but i've liked this kid since the last t20 wc.. he was going for runs, but he has the pace and the right action.. they will persist with him for sure
 
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Hamza definitely looks a good prospect at this point, but the reason I've lost faith is because our simply don't develop; they regress with time.

Look at Junaid - in 2012-2013, he was on par with Starc and swung the ball both ways at 140 kph.

Today, he has turned into a trundler who can't move the ball an inch and nor is he fit enough to play three games on the trot, while Starc is going from strength to strength.

Hamza might have as much potential as Starc and Boult, but there is a 90% possibility that he will not have a successful career simply because he is a Pakistani.

It wouldn't have been surprising if Amir would have been a Junaid level bowler by now.
 
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Hamza definitely looks a good prospect at this point, but the reason I've lost faith is because our simply don't develop; they regress with time.

Look at Junaid - in 2012-2013, he was on par with Starc and swung the ball both ways at 140 kph.

Today, he has turned into a trundler who can't move the ball an inch and nor is he fit enough to play three games on the trot, while Starc is going from strength to strength.

Hamza might have as much potential as Starc and Boult, but there is a 90% possibility that he will not have a successful career simply because he is a Pakistani.

It wouldn't have been surprising if Amir would have been a Junaid level bowler by now.

Agree with everything!
Except for Aamir, his talent is natural, I guess.
He might not get better than he already was but he still won't drop to the level junaid got into.
 
Agree with everything!
Except for Aamir, his talent is natural, I guess.
He might not get better than he already was but he still won't drop to the level junaid got into.

Yes unlikely, but it would not have been surprising given our history.

Its not just the management though; the players don't help themselves either. All it takes is a couple of great series for them to become too big for their boots.
 
Yes unlikely, but it would not have been surprising given our history.

Its not just the management though; the players don't help themselves either. All it takes is a couple of great series for them to become too big for their boots.

Junaid never swung it. Even on that india tour he seamed it. His bowling is more or less the same. The only thing he needs is moisture in the pitch and he'll become effective but he has not been getting such conditions
Just doesn't angle the seam enough to generate swing in the air.
 
Junaid never swung it. Even on that india tour he seamed it. His bowling is more or less the same. The only thing he needs is moisture in the pitch and he'll become effective but he has not been getting such conditions
Just doesn't angle the seam enough to generate swing in the air.

Yes, that was seam and he is a primarily a seam bowler but in the early part of his career, he also used to generate considerable swing. These days, he rarely seams it let alone swing.

Fast becoming another Umar Gul, bowling half-trackers at 135 kph whose knees will give up before he turns 30.
 
Amazing bowler when he gets it right. I can watch those beautiful in-swingers all day long. But I have not really been impressed with him in Asia. He has taken some wickets but he never really looked truly menacing. Also when he gets it wrong he really gets it wrong.

The best is still Boult though. The guy is class, ATG material!
 
Top class with the white ball. Seems to go missing for some reason when it comes to red ball cricket.
 
Top class with the white ball. Seems to go missing for some reason when it comes to red ball cricket.

He bowls in test matches like a ODI match- all variations and not going back to the stock ball and moving from there,
 
Yes, that was seam and he is a primarily a seam bowler but in the early part of his career, he also used to generate considerable swing. These days, he rarely seams it let alone swing.

Fast becoming another Umar Gul, bowling half-trackers at 135 kph whose knees will give up before he turns 30.

I still wont agree on the swing part. An occasional spell cannot be generaliseable. Yes he used to get a bit of inswing to the lefties but that fell away after he tried to get more side on to generate outswing. I can't believe that no one in the coaching staff can teach him a basic skill duch as angling the seam and flicking the wrist. Amir was the perfect specimen for this. Can't he learn by watching him?
On the other point, he is slower than gul but a lot smarter and is a lot better competitor. The former just used to fall away after getting hit to the fence.
 
Fantastic bowler on his day, and in ODIs pretty much every day is. Love the way he brings the ball back into the right handers.

Looks woeful on his bad days though, which are come along quite often in Test cricket, still there is tremendous raw potential there.

Best young pacer in the world at the moment after Boult without question.

Starc >> Boult in ODIs!
 
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Hamza definitely looks a good prospect at this point, but the reason I've lost faith is because our simply don't develop; they regress with time.

Look at Junaid - in 2012-2013, he was on par with Starc and swung the ball both ways at 140 kph.

Today, he has turned into a trundler who can't move the ball an inch and nor is he fit enough to play three games on the trot, while Starc is going from strength to strength.

Hamza might have as much potential as Starc and Boult, but there is a 90% possibility that he will not have a successful career simply because he is a Pakistani.

It wouldn't have been surprising if Amir would have been a Junaid level bowler by now.

Hamza is just an ordinary domestic bowler...

I have seen him in pentangular cup and he looked the worst on display didnt swing the ball even a little bit

I think Zia has more potential, he doesnt yet have great control, but his basics like Pace and action are very strong
 
Starc has edge of genuine pace over boult, but boult is more consistent with his lines and has better control...

In ODIs though Starc is better
 
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Early days though, but whether he has potential or not, its unlikely that he'll make it given the fact that he's Pakistani.
 
Don't think even aamir in full form would have been a good as these two. Brilliant bowlers.

No doubt Amir was special, but people overrate him quite a bit. Boult, Starc and Amir are all in the same class.

He is not as good as people think. Even Dartbhajan took him to the cleaners in Asia Cup.

This summer in England we'd see Boult producing the same magic as Amir in 2010.

If he makes a successful comeback, all three would be in the same class and comfortably the three best young pacers in the game. In the future, can't say who'll be the best of the lot.
 
oh I just watched the highlights of whole match

boult got wickets due to some good fielding and inside edges
while starcy were all super fast late swinging or just super fast deliveries that got the batters out

Starc in odi's by far better than boult!!
 
Both Starc and Boult are tremendous bowlers. Starc maybe has the edge with his extra speed, but what I like about both these bowlers is that like Wasim Akram, they can swing the ball back in to the RH batsman. Something none of our army of left arm bowlers seem capable of with the possible exception of Rahat Ali.
 
after a long time i have seen 150k yorkers well at least one but this tells you that what an express pace bowler who can bowl yorkers and swing it a bit brings to the table

Starc--- Amazing
 
Very good ODI bowler but a passenger in tests so far. Not sure what's wrong with him but he seems completely a different bowler in tests.
 
i didn't think to much of him when McCullum was batting but that was just an absurdly good innings by Bmac. when he got out Starc was all over everybody except Williamson. You dont see Ross Taylor cleaned bowled like that very often.
 
What's interesting is that exciting bowling talent is all left arm recently.

First Aamir, last year Johno show, this WC these two... Styen was last RH pace sensation.

What I like about Boult yesterday is extra 5 clicks that made him special


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[MENTION=131603]pacesensation[/MENTION]

Hamza definitely looks a good prospect at this point, but the reason I've lost faith is because our simply don't develop; they regress with time.

Look at Junaid - in 2012-2013, he was on par with Starc and swung the ball both ways at 140 kph.

Today, he has turned into a trundler who can't move the ball an inch and nor is he fit enough to play three games on the trot, while Starc is going from strength to strength.

Hamza might have as much potential as Starc and Boult, but there is a 90% possibility that he will not have a successful career simply because he is a Pakistani.

It wouldn't have been surprising if Amir would have been a Junaid level bowler by now.

I think in bowling department our domestic is still doing a decent job

When wasim made his debut according to him he would pitch it on good length and try to hit the seam, that was all he was doing
but then he worked hard
he had issues while bowling around the wicket so with practice he mastered it

Mcgrath in his autobiography said that during 1995 tour of westindies, when he returned home, he had lost like 20 lbs. So after that he started working on his physique ie to stay at optimum physical state

So Mir Hamza has it what it takes to excel at top but he as to work hard to prosper and achieve more success
 
One of the, if not the best ODI fast bowler right now. Really like him and he should become top class in tests too soon enough. I'd say he's Australia's best bowler right now, he's even overshadowing MJ.
 
Those two Super-Fast yorkers were a sight to watch
late 150k yorkers, these used to be a pakistani trademark

Even a top order batsman could not play them if he was facing these as a first ball
 
I think mods should merge starc's discussion in this thread

Like I said a classy bowler back 2 years ago!
 
Rise like a champ Starc, Your team depends on you
I pray that Aus win and you have a huge part in this.

Regards

an express fast bowling fan
 
He doesnt need any introduction.

But what i want to say is that if he could dominate india in india then i think he is one of the best.

Even though he is nt express fast but you know what i mean
i think its safe to say that he is the best now. Even though he has yet to dominate india in india. But that would be too tough to achieve. However, its not impossible

Regards
 
Truly the heir to Wasim Akram. Best fast bowler in the world without a doubt, and an ATG in the making.

A shame that Amir is leagues below him now, his only challenger in this generation seems to be Rabada.

Boult is brilliant too, but he hasn't hit his old heights after injury, although he is showing glimpses of his old self. Would love to see him operate at the same level again, I love to watch him more than Starc, his action is beautiful.

Starc, Rabada and Boult - clearly the three best fast bowlers of the post 2010 era.
 
Starc has two key attributes - fitness and pace. He is right now the quickest bowler in the world and can maintain it for a period of time (i.e. unlike the Mills, Cummins etc who get bowl one spell and get injured).

The types of pitches produced and the sheer volume of international cricket means it is unlikely we will see many 150kph+ fast bowlers in this generation, unless you include the limited over specialists.

This has all contributed to Starc being vastly overrated. To compare him to Wasim Akram is laughable. Akram had insane skills with a cricket ball that went far beyond being able to hurl it as fast as possible. Starc cannot even match Mitchel Johnson's purple patch.

He is doing well right now, but pace without much else will only get you so far. If he ends his career and is remembered as a left handed Brett Lee, he will have done well.
 
Truly the heir to Wasim Akram. Best fast bowler in the world without a doubt, and an ATG in the making.

A shame that Amir is leagues below him now, his only challenger in this generation seems to be Rabada.

Boult is brilliant too, but he hasn't hit his old heights after injury, although he is showing glimpses of his old self. Would love to see him operate at the same level again, I love to watch him more than Starc, his action is beautiful.

Starc, Rabada and Boult - clearly the three best fast bowlers of the post 2010 era.

Boult is hardly a fast bowler, definitely not in the league of Strac and Rabada...Those two are league above everybody else...Sort of like Styen was far ahead of everybody else...Both Boult and Amir are significantly lesser then both of them...When they start winning test series or tournaments outside of home, then they can be mentioned in same sentence as Strac/Rabada...

In ODI, Strac is probably second only to Wasim for ATG spot, maybe even better(time will tell), nobody else is even close...You have to realize Strac bowls in era, when there is so much scrutiny on old ball(first of all, ball is not that old in ODIs), nobody is even close to his death skills in this generation...Also, Strac is 10 clicks faster then Wasim...
 
Boult is hardly a fast bowler, definitely not in the league of Strac and Rabada...Those two are league above everybody else...Sort of like Styen was far ahead of everybody else...Both Boult and Amir are significantly lesser then both of them...When they start winning test series or tournaments outside of home, then they can be mentioned in same sentence as Strac/Rabada...

In ODI, Strac is probably second only to Wasim for ATG spot, maybe even better(time will tell), nobody else is even close...You have to realize Strac bowls in era, when there is so much scrutiny on old ball(first of all, ball is not that old in ODIs), nobody is even close to his death skills in this generation...Also, Strac is 10 clicks faster then Wasim...

You are underrating Boult. He doesn't have the pace and power of Starc, but he is a complete bowler in terms of skill-set, and looks every bit as good as Starc at the World Cup. Post-injury, his pace dropped and he went from fast-medium to medium-fast, but he's getting back there. Certainly well ahead of Amir at this point.
 
Well on his way to ATG status. Seems to be finding his groove in tests as well.

In LO it's scary how good he is. His yorkers are literally unplayable.
 
Potential ATG. In this era bowlers have become bowling machines in ODIs. Starc is the only bowler who can threaten batsmen in ODIs. People who're saying Starc isn't close to Akram are trolling or dense, lets see how well Akram do on a 350 run flat pitch wicket in 2017 with tiny boundaries, thick bats and fielding restrictions.
 
You are underrating Boult. He doesn't have the pace and power of Starc, but he is a complete bowler in terms of skill-set, and looks every bit as good as Starc at the World Cup. Post-injury, his pace dropped and he went from fast-medium to medium-fast, but he's getting back there. Certainly well ahead of Amir at this point.

You are over estimating Boult, like you did Anderson, Boult is no way near as skillfull as Anderson...Anderson was no match to Styen, similarly Boult is not in same tier as Strac...Strac himself was not the bowler with same skills but less pace (140), as soon as his pace went to 150, so his stature... Rabada won ODI series in India, test series in AUS, not because he had good skill but because of 145 clicks pace along with those skills...

Boult was not that special in WC, outside of first spell. Southee and even Vitorri were as effective as Boult upfront...Once or twice NZ had to bowl in death, both Southee and Boult were exposed...Wahab bowled better than anybody else other then Strac in death(mind you against India he bowled 6 overs in last 10, when they were only two out, still did not concede any boundary). If NZ had played more matches in AUS, people would have their death bowling in lot more matches...


What Pace Adds?

You don't value pace, which is fundamental trait of premium fast bowler, other trait is height like McGrath or HW, you got to have something extra (along with skill) to take your self to next level...

Pace allows you to increase your range, you can bowl more lengths effectively, can reverse more effectively...In test you have more utility across the world conditions as well as various time of the innings... Boult and Amir are duds once ball gets old, they cannot reverse, they don't have effective length or short pitch ball, even Wagnar bowls better than them at 135 clicks...

You can take wickets with old ball and clean the tail, pretty much in every condition, something both Boult and Amir cannot do...

Amir and Boult also don't have strong forceful action that's why even at 140 pace their short ball, reverse swing, yorkers are not as effective as others who has more muscular action...In PSL Mills was also bowling at 140-143 but was much more effective with forceful length balls than Amir at same pace, Amir does not bowl effective heavy ball, because of not so powerful action, same is the problem with Boult...

You will see Rabada and Mills will be more effective(we already know that in ODIs) in IPL late overs , because there is more muscle behind their effort balls, rather than driven by arm speed...

Muscle in modern day LOI cricket is very important, without that its going to be hard to have more variation in lengths(short, good, back and yorker), better reverse swing...We have not seen any muscle bowler in Pakistan since Wahab...Wahab skill level is very weak because of terrible wrist release, he is good athlete, if he had fixed that issue early on, he could have been in the league of Strac...He is lucky to play international cricket because of his muscle power, skill wise he is probably one of the worst bowler in international circuit...

Its very disappointing that we have not seen a single fast bowler(again a bowler with forceful action) even on the horizon thus far in 2 PSL and 8 years counting, this is not good for Pakistan Cricket...All these medium pacers can take you only so far, Pakistan need that muscle power to take the team to next level...The purpose of these academies should be to produce such a bowler, otherwise mediocre lot can come without spending a dime :acp

Also, Amir needs to add muscle to his bowling, like Strac that can take him from 140 to 150, without muscle he can generate 140 pace, with muscle all the other lengths(good, back, short, yorker) will be as effective as others...He needs to make that jump to be Tier 1 bowler, again he has lot of ingredients, need to take that extra step...Very few bowlers can generate 140-145 clicks pace without muscle, he has one of those rare skills...I was hoping that he will take that next step, maybe he needs a time off and somebody needs to work with him to add muscle in his bowling, keep on playing hectic international schedule is not going to help!!
 
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^ You have made good points but you've drawn a false premise; Steyn himself has been nowhere near express for the better part of his career. He had the ability to bowl 150 clicks but has operated mostly at 140, because that is where he could generate more swing.

McGrath was not express but one of the best ever, Botham wasn't express either. There are other examples.

Wasim was express in his youth but after he was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes in 1996, he slowed down but he didn't become a lesser bowler.

Pace is a tremendous asset; any deliver will trouble a batsmen more if it is delivered at a higher pace, but there are other qualities that cannot be compromised for pace.

Starc is not more threatening now just because of his pace but also because he has greatly improved his accuracy.

Amir will become more dangerous if he gets faster, but he is not bowling poorly now just because of his lack of pace.
 
^ You have made good points but you've drawn a false premise; Steyn himself has been nowhere near express for the better part of his career. He had the ability to bowl 150 clicks but has operated mostly at 140, because that is where he could generate more swing.

McGrath was not express but one of the best ever, Botham wasn't express either. There are other examples.

Wasim was express in his youth but after he was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes in 1996, he slowed down but he didn't become a lesser bowler.

Pace is a tremendous asset; any deliver will trouble a batsmen more if it is delivered at a higher pace, but there are other qualities that cannot be compromised for pace.

Starc is not more threatening now just because of his pace but also because he has greatly improved his accuracy.

Amir will become more dangerous if he gets faster, but he is not bowling poorly now just because of his lack of pace.

Mohammad Amir needs to use his non bowling arm more.

Amir yes has been bowling rubbish. Particularly in PSL, looks average.
 
:)) @ the guy who barely managed to pick up 2 test wickets in India being in the same league as Akram.
 
No way close to Wasim Akram,Starc post injury has lost his swing which was Wasim's main weapon.Only his high pace is what troubles batsmen.
 
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