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Moeen Ali - Performance Watch

Batting at number 8
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Cook obviously doesn't rate him
Very disrespectful
Moeen hasn't moaned or whined about it tbf to him
 
His test bowling stats look good so far however I still don't think he's a front line spinner. He shouldn't be dropped but England def need a full time spinner in their side. Just look at what Craig did for NZ during this test.
 
I think he has regressed as a bowler since he has stopped bowling doosra.
 
Very average Test cricketer, but England don't have many options because all of their spinners are average and he bats better than most. It is interesting to note that the Pakistani victim mentality is being extended to him as well . . . 'he will be dropped, while the others will get another chance', hilarious.

Only the emergence of someone like Swann, a world class Test spinner who can also bat a bit but is leagues ahead of Moeen with the ball can usurp him as England's main spinner.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
His test bowling stats look good so far however I still don't think he's a front line spinner. He shouldn't be dropped but England def need a full time spinner in their side. Just look at what Craig did for NZ during this test.
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Saqlain Craig is an underrated batsman too. His bowling is spotty though has improved a touch (Thanks Pakistan!!!)
 
England need atleast one spinner especially when they will go out to play in the subcontinent or in the WI. So he should be available
 
Gabbar Singh said:
His test bowling stats look good so far however I still don't think he's a front line spinner. He shouldn't be dropped but England def need a full time spinner in their side. Just look at what Craig did for NZ during this test.
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Don't be fooled by stats. Craig bowled badly, but England gave him wickets.

Having said that he does give it a rip. Moeen did that last year but not this year, which is why he is not getting batters out on the fourth and fifth days of tests.
 
Good start to The Ashes for Moeen with a brisk 77.

Ball turning a bit for Lyon so maybe he will get into the game later with his bowling as well.
 
Might have won England the Test with that wicket, such is Smith's pedigree as a batsman.
 
Haroon786 said:
The same way that Kamran Akmal is masterful at dropping catches.
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lol you had to bring in Kami...I just don't understand why Pakistanis are obsessed with this mediocre cricketer and have to defend a light criticism.
 
Bowls well enough without looking dominating to take advantage of the Australian desire to dominate bowlers.
 
He has had a good game, but he lacks consistency. The definition of a bits and pieces cricketer.

The issue is that he's not good enough to be a Test class spinner and nor is he good enough to be a Test class batsman.

Quality Test all-rounders are Test class in at least one disciple.

Very useful LOI player though, pretty much an English Hafeez.
 
Mamoon said:
He has had a good game, but he lacks consistency. The definition of a bits and pieces cricketer.

The issue is that he's not good enough to be a Test class spinner and nor is he good enough to be a Test class batsman.
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Agree

Mamoon said:
Very useful LOI player though, pretty much an English Hafeez.
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Now where is that coming from?
Even if he isn't a good test spinner, he has already done lot lot more in test cricket compare to Hafeez.
Hafeez is yet to play a crucial test innings or bowl a crucial test spell.
Moeen Ali has done it even if I don't understand how a quality bat can give him a wicket.
 
Mobashir said:
Agree


Now where is that coming from?
Even if he isn't a good test spinner, he has already done lot lot more in test cricket compare to Hafeez.
Hafeez is yet to play a crucial test innings or bowl a crucial test spell.
Moeen Ali has done it even if I don't understand how a quality bat can give him a wicket.
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Hafeez is not a Test class batsman, but he has played some good innings albeit in patches. Moeen hasn't done more with the bat yet, and in the long run, he will probably have a similar career with the bat.

He's more of a wicket-taker with the ball though, and I agree that it's absurd how keeps dismissing quality batsmen softly, even though his bowling does not look threatening, but I think it's not reasonable to compare his bowling with Hafeez's.

Throughout his career, Hafeez has been used as a defensive option, someone who is looking to contain only.

He played that role for Ajmal for years and now is doing the same for Yasir, and prior to his suspension, he was easily the best at his job.

However, the fact that he has been caught chucking clearly takes away a lot of credibility.
 
Mobashir said:
Agree


Now where is that coming from?
Even if he isn't a good test spinner, he has already done lot lot more in test cricket compare to Hafeez.
Hafeez is yet to play a crucial test innings or bowl a crucial test spell.
Moeen Ali has done it even if I don't understand how a quality bat can give him a wicket.
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Hafeez has a 197 & 96 against NZ, 196 against SL, 224 against Bangladesh in recent years.
 
Statsman said:
Hafeez has a 197 & 96 against NZ, 196 against SL, 224 against Bangladesh in recent years.
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Mamoon said:
It's true that he's not quality, but it's unfair to say that he is yet to play a crucial Test knock.
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The innings he made 96, we made 550-3 and the lowest score was 87 I think.

The match he made 197, There were 3 190+ scores including a over run a ball double hundred in first innings.

196 Vs Sri Lanka : There 4 hundreds for the top 3 batsmen from both teams.
He went missing in the result matches that came after that one.


224 vs Bangladesh, again a pure batting track and against bangladesh in a draw match. Scored 8 & 0 in the next result match.
And continue to fail in the result Sri Lanka matches.
Only time he looked good in Sri Lanka was when we were chasing 90 odd.

It tells you a lot about the pitches and quality of the knocks.
 
s28 said:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2015/content/story/896329.html

England v Australia, 1st Investec Test, Cardiff, 2nd day July 9, 2015 Moeen proves himself - again

GEORGE DOBELL IN CARDIFF

Opponents and commentators continue to underestimate Moeen Ali, yet he continues to score runs and take wickets. Perhaps it's time he was shown the respect he deserves
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he's a great lad, an inspiration for young BME cricketers trying to make a name for themselves..He is probably going to get more respect from the white english than our own pakistani community after this series (if he does well)..a true example for young british muslims too..
 
This guy is just plain lucky.He has little talent as a spinner but the wickets keep coming somehow !
 
Have a feeling Moeens credentials as a test level frontline spinner, will be ended once he steps in the UAE likes of Younis Misbah Sarfraz will smash him with ease.
 
Did a Swann impression with that crucial Warner wicket going into the lunch break. Decisive breakthrough taking Aussies from 97-1 to 107-5

Also noticeable how Broad in his article in the Daily Mail highlighted Moeens all round contribution.
 
Doing well. Are people expecting him to make a hundred every game and take 10 wickets a match at the same time.
spouting crap most of u.
limited bowler who is working hard at improving and has played a couple of decent test knocks.
haters gonna hate.
 
His 77 was glorious - very fluent and easy on the eye. Sumptuous.

He delivered mixed bowling spells but produced key wickets at important times.
 
Okay been watching Moeen since last year.

It looks as though since last year he has become a normal English spinner ie. one who doesn't turn the ball :)
ie. bowls straight ones for variety has a slighty slower straight one.

The difference is last year versus India he was putting side spin on the ball which allowed the ball to drift and trouble
both edges of the bat. Now he is rotating the ball more forward, the seam angle is different. All in all he is a lot less
dangerous and is getting less spin.

Maybe he has been coached into becoming normal and less dangerous. Really wish someone would tell him to go back to less years ball grip................
 
Lets ponder the though-process of the opposition batsmen:

Mediocre spinner -> Lets smash the daylight out of him -> throw your wicket away

Rinse, Repeat.
 
Mamoon said:
Lets ponder the though-process of the opposition batsmen:

Mediocre spinner -> Lets smash the daylight out of him -> throw your wicket away

Rinse, Repeat.
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He wasn't mediocre last year but with training his bowling is very boring and not dangerous! :)
 
Cricketrenew said:
He wasn't mediocre last year but with training his bowling is very boring and not dangerous! :)
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I haven't been impressed with his bowling at all, because most of the dismissals are because of the batsmen trying to show too much aggression against him because they see him as the weak-link in England's bowling lineup.

He will find it hard to take wickets if the batsmen show a little caution against him.
 
Fact is though he was the only wicket taker. He keep picking up wickets even when not looking too threatening.
 
Saqs said:
Fact is though he was the only wicket taker. He keep picking up wickets even when not looking too threatening.
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That's the thing though last year he was turning the ball more then normal bowlers and looked dangerous this year,
he has started bowling differently without the turn, ie how he grips the ball.....strange.
So wandering if English spin coach has got his claws into him?
 
Geoffrey boycott does not seem to rate him as a spin option
I don't blame him

I can't see him and rashid bowling in tandem at egbaston, the balance wouldn't be right
 
Cricketrenew said:
That's the thing though last year he was turning the ball more then normal bowlers and looked dangerous this year,
he has started bowling differently without the turn, ie how he grips the ball.....strange.
So wandering if English spin coach has got his claws into him?
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He was never a bowler to begin with so expect him to have many peaks and troughs. Also he's coming off an injury and was out of rhythm on the WI tour but did fairly well in the 1st Ashes test, went for quiet a bit but kept picking wickets. To cement his place permanently in the side he'll need to deliver with the bat; unfair to expect too much from him with the ball but one would hope he gets better with more experience and spinners tend to peak late. The likes of Rashid put in some hard yards, perfecting their craft before a breakthrough season bought them back on the fringes of selection. Mo on the other hand was mainly picked for his batting but his bowling has been a revelation in recent years, but he has only started putting some effort in working on his bowling probably during last 3 years so one has to bare these things in mind in understanding why he may not be gripping the ball a specific way or any other technical aspect. But since you bring this up, I believe Mushtaq was with England during the series against India and Srilanka I think? so he'd have worked with Mo quiet a bit and Ajmal has helped Mo to at Worstershire. It is possible that he may have received new advice but I just think he's a bowler that will lack consistency given his inexperience as a spinner.
 
Mamoon said:
I haven't been impressed with his bowling at all, because most of the dismissals are because of the batsmen trying to show too much aggression against him because they see him as the weak-link in England's bowling lineup.

He will find it hard to take wickets if the batsmen show a little caution against him.
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That's fine as far as England are concerned. Their bread and butter is that seam attack, if all Moeen does is keep things a bit tight and let the quicks rotate from the other end then that's brilliant for England. He's not there to run through the opposition.

England's real problem is the ineffectiveness of Anderson
 
Is it only me or anyone else as well who have noticed a change in [MENTION=138983]Neferpitou[/MENTION]'s tone these days, which is getting aggressive than it used to be a month or two ago?

Chill out buddy, its just a forum after all.
 
Neferpitou said:
Yes, the general public in India would definitely not be outraged if one of their heroes with 400+ wickets gets banned. :14:
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He was not being picked for the last 2 years, no one cared. If he's banned for chucking, there would be no conspiracy theories for sure. People (and more importantly the player himself) will accept the verdict like with Ojha.
 
Disgusting posts deleted - punitive actions taken

For reference.

Moeen Ali is his name - no need to Add Bhai to his name.
 
[MENTION=138983]Neferpitou[/MENTION] - Looks like some posts are deleted by mod.

1. Reg giving the troll a taste of his medicine - No buddy. He trolled. You lost control and got angry. He won. Fight troll with troll. ;-)

2. Reg Bhajji - Yeah you are right. Indians are so desperate about Bhajji that they practically begged BCCI to have him included in the playing XI all these years and there is no criticism of Bhajji's performances in Bangladesh among Indians. We would be devastated to lose the CURRENT Bhajji. ;-)
 
MenInG said:
Disgusting posts deleted - punitive actions taken

For reference.

Moeen Ali is his name - no need to Add Bhai to his name.
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But this warning was never given when it comes to Amla and Bhai. It's been years people making fun of him, his beard and his religion here on PP and they still use Amla Bhai instead of Hashim Amla.
 
MenInG said:
Disgusting posts deleted - punitive actions taken

For reference.

Moeen Ali is his name - no need to Add Bhai to his name.
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Finally. Thanks.

Batting at #8 is going to destroy his confidence. There is only so much you can do while batting down there and playing long innings is definitely not one of those. England should drop one of Ballance or Lyth for another bowler and move Moeen up the order.
 
Will probably get another chance in the next Test but if he doesn't perform well (3-5 wickets at a decent average ) then he should be dropped for Rashid.
 
Haroon786 said:
Will probably get another chance in the next Test but if he doesn't perform well (3-5 wickets at a decent average ) then he should be dropped for Rashid.
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He'll definitely play the next test. He's batted pretty well in this series, and is also England's 2nd highest wicket taker.

With Lyth, Bell and Ballance struggling horribly, I can envisage a situation whereby one (or more) of them gets dropped, Root moves up the order to fill the void, and Moeen also moves up with Rashid coming in at the no. 8 slot.
 
delpiero10 said:
He'll definitely play the next test. He's batted pretty well in this series, and is also England's 2nd highest wicket taker.

With Lyth, Bell and Ballance struggling horribly, I can envisage a situation whereby one (or more) of them gets dropped, Root moves up the order to fill the void, and Moeen also moves up with Rashid coming in at the no. 8 slot.
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Quite possibly, but also Butler at 7 is one position too high and I wouldn't be surprised to see Moeen being pushed up to 7 and even 6 if Ballance is dropped.
 
Hmm....seems like my post offended some people here.I apologise for hurting anybody's religious sentiments.I didn't intend to do so."Bhai" has been used here and in :amla thread countless times without any consequences and repercussions.So I think there was nothing wrong with what I posted until now.Again I apologise and vow not to use bhai anywhere near Moeen Ali and Hashim Amla.
 
Bilal7 said:
Finally. Thanks.

Batting at #8 is going to destroy his confidence. There is only so much you can do while batting down there and playing long innings is definitely not one of those. England should drop one of Ballance or Lyth for another bowler and move Moeen up the order.
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Moeen can't hack it up the order if there's any pace in the wicket.

Though neither can Lyth or Ballance
 
[MENTION=138983]Neferpitou[/MENTION] your dream of watching Harbhajan get bannned will be just that......A dream :ajmal !!!

And for the remaining part of your deleted post, you heard what SIF said :yk
 
Convict said:
Moeen can't hack it up the order if there's any pace in the wicket.

Though neither can Lyth or Ballance
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Yes, which is why they are better off getting rid of the out of form batsman, instead of the out of form batting all-rounder. England need another pure bowler in the ranks until Anderson gets his mojo back.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
[MENTION=138983]Neferpitou[/MENTION] - Looks like some posts are deleted by mod.

1. Reg giving the troll a taste of his medicine - No buddy. He trolled. You lost control and got angry. He won. Fight troll with troll. ;-)
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Not sure who is giving whom a taste of his own medicine.Why are Ashwin and Harbhajan called chuckers when Ajmal and Hafeez are banned ?By the same token why is it such a grave sin to call Moeen a chucker ?You see the double standards !!!
 
Captain_Obvious said:
Not sure who is giving whom a taste of his own medicine.Why are Ashwin and Harbhajan called chuckers when Ajmal and Hafeez are banned ?By the same token why is it such a grave sin to call Moeen a chucker ?You see the double standards !!!
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The only double-standards are based on the bowling actions of Bhajjan and Ali. At least from our side.
 
Captain_Obvious said:
Not sure who is giving whom a taste of his own medicine.Why are Ashwin and Harbhajan called chuckers when Ajmal and Hafeez are banned ?By the same token why is it such a grave sin to call Moeen a chucker ?You see the double standards !!!
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I don't think he called Ashwin a chucker. He said that for Bhajji only which is understandable.

I personally enjoy this cross-talk, but the fact is some guys are sensitive to it and get provoked once they find it offensive.

That post of yours triggered him to make such remarks (which he shouldn't have), I would really feel for him if he got banned for that post which I think he has been.
 
Bilal7 said:
The only double-standards are based on the bowling actions of Bhajjan and Ali. At least from our side.
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And both of them are not banned.Why ?
Umpires have not reported them.Why ?
Because they don't think Bhajji and Ali chuck which is what matters.

That should be the end of discussion.Instead your lot first dragged Ashwin into the mess and now Bhajji :facepalm:
 
The "part time" bowler tag is a myth. Since the start of the 2012 season, Moeen has bowled more first-class overs than Adil Rashid and even a veteran like Gareth Batty. In that time, he has also taken more wickets at a lower average than Rashid.

Ali is still a work in progress. He didn't start bowling regularly until 2010. Whether he should be playing Test cricket remains to be seen, I think he makes a far better LOI all-rounder personally.
 
Captain_Obvious said:
And both of them are not banned.Why ?
Umpires have not reported them.Why ?
Because they don't think Bhajji and Ali chuck which is what matters.

That should be the end of discussion.Instead your lot first dragged Ashwin into the mess and now Bhajji :facepalm:
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Huge difference between the actions of Ali and Bhajjan. You need unbiased eyes to see this though.

Did you never raise any questions about Ajmal's action before he got banned? Ofcourse you did. So now don't get upset if the integrity of Harbhajjan Singh is questioned in the same way.
 
Markhor said:
The "part time" bowler tag is a myth. Since the start of the 2012 season, Moeen has bowled more first-class overs than Adil Rashid and even a veteran like Gareth Batty. In that time, he has also taken more wickets at a lower average than Rashid.

Ali is still a work in progress. He didn't start bowling regularly until 2010. Whether he should be playing Test cricket remains to be seen, I think he makes a far better LOI all-rounder personally.
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A good ODI man, though he's a bitsa at test level currently. Not quite good enough to bat in the top six and not good enough to run through a batting side on the last day of a test.
 
As far as what I have seen, Moeen Ali's action is fine.

He will never get called.

Unless he has some special delivery that I don't know about.
 
Bilal7 said:
Huge difference between the actions of Ali and Bhajjan. You need unbiased eyes to see this though.

Did you never raise any questions about Ajmal's action before he got banned? Ofcourse you did. So now don't get upset if the integrity of Harbhajjan Singh is questioned in the same way.
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You are not getting me.Moeen does not chuck.He has a clean action.Same is the case with Ashwin but you guys didn't spare him, did you ?Personally I don't give two hoots about Bhajji.He is a burden on us and shouldn't have been picked in the first place.

What puts me off is when guys like MSRN or MRSN whatever and ahmedzee come out and cry that India would have lost to ZIM if not for Bhajji's chucking or that all off spinners have dubious actions and should be reported.This is why I targeted Moeen.He is a PP darling and anything against him will be a hit.

If Bhajji has a suspicious action, wait for him to get reported.Just don't declare him a chucker because he is Indian.Half of PP doesn't even know what chucking is and they come up with ridiculous pictures to prove their point [MENTION=59284]stallion[/MENTION]_ will agree with me on this.

Secondly you will not find any post where I have raised doubts over Ajmal's actions.Infact I respected him as a competitor till he got banned.Now it is a different story though :ajmal
 
I am a massive Moeen fan, but even when he took those wickets against India I knew he wouldn't be able to repeat such a feat.
 
Robert said:
A good ODI man, though he's a bitsa at test level currently. Not quite good enough to bat in the top six and not good enough to run through a batting side on the last day of a test.
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I'd be looking more at Lyth and Ballance before dropping Moeen. At least he can turn his arm over, those two look like walking wickets.
 
Stallion__ said:
I don't think he called Ashwin a chucker. He said that for Bhajji only which is understandable.

I personally enjoy this cross-talk, but the fact is some guys are sensitive to it and get provoked once they find it offensive.

That post of yours triggered him to make such remarks (which he shouldn't have), I would really feel for him if he got banned for that post which I think he has been.
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Bro this was my post barring the "bhai" word.It was an independent post and not related to the discussion at that point of time.

"How about Moeen getting reported for chucking :ajmal ?"

Not really a great post.Infact a troll post.But I don't think it was offensive.(I am finding it hard to believe that someone like Neferpitou got offended by a mere "bhai" ).He had 3-4 smileys in his post if I remember.

He shouldn't have gone that far and limited his attacks to Harbhajan only.I believe he is rightfully banned and i am rightfully served with an infraction.
 
Captain_Obvious said:
You are not getting me.Moeen does not chuck.He has a clean action.Same is the case with Ashwin but you guys didn't spare him, did you ?Personally I don't give two hoots about Bhajji.He is a burden on us and shouldn't have been picked in the first place.

What puts me off is when guys like MSRN or MRSN whatever and ahmedzee come out and cry that India would have lost to ZIM if not for Bhajji's chucking or that all off spinners have dubious actions and should be reported.This is why I targeted Moeen.He is a PP darling and anything against him will be a hit.

If Bhajji has a suspicious action, wait for him to get reported.Just don't declare him a chucker because he is Indian.Half of PP doesn't even know what chucking is and they come up with ridiculous pictures to prove their point [MENTION=59284]stallion[/MENTION]_ will agree with me on this.
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Well I have see posters do come up with pictures in an attempt to prove Indian spinners action as illegal.

But by doing so, they are presenting themselves as an option to be ridiculed since that exposes their lack of awareness regarding bowling actions. So they are repaid for what they have done in the same thread.

Need to keep your cool mate. Its quite possible that if you are put off by such posts, one day you could post something which you will regret later on. The more you post, the more you will realize that sometimes ignoring or avoiding such posts is a better option.
 
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Didn't see England innings today just saw the score card saying moeen is batting at 49 in 62 balls with 10 fours how was he batting? anything special or just edges going for boundaries
 
Strike Rate said:
Didn't see England innings today just saw the score card saying moeen is batting at 49 in 62 balls with 10 fours how was he batting? anything special or just edges going for boundaries
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Playing a classic innings. He has taken apart Johnson, Pulling him NonChalantly. Perhaps his best innings ever, if you look at the context and quality.
 
Enforcer said:
Playing a classic innings. He has taken apart Johnson, Pulling him NonChalantly. Perhaps his best innings ever, if you look at the context and quality.
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oh cool will catch the highlight later if he can help England get a 200+ leads than i think match is over for Aussies
 
salam bhai brigades, played a superb innings today but i feel like hes too careless to build a longer inning.
 
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