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Moeen Ali - Performance Watch

What a match saving attempt by Moeen. If England were to win it, there would be way more ovation towards Moeen than now. Exciting player to watch.
 
Mamoon said:
He's no doubt a much better Test player but not a player you can trust in pressure situations.
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Come on, he's very in pressure situations and he's been proving it ever since 2008. That last test that you're saying he failed in, South Africa needed to bat time and he faced a truck-load of deliveries and only a corker from one of the Aussies got him out. He didn't fail by any means.

I think I've just found my new favourite English player. Whattay innings under pressure from Moeen and that too in only his second test. Cook said it best when he said he didn't deserve to be on the losing side today.
 
What a knock that was. After he got in never really looked like getting out. Rock solid.
 
SL_Fan said:
What a knock that was. After he got in never really looked like getting out. Rock solid.
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He also played shots all around the park so we know that he's capable of scoring quickly when and if required. Had a nice rivalry with Herath going on.
 
Moeen did a Misbah yesterday, played valliantly right till the last over when he gave Anderson strike and didn't rally shephard the strike very well

Overall a dissapointing series from Moeen, didn't create history on the last day and so hasn't recieved any accolades for what was ultimately a dissapointing innings
His bowling was also not upto international class, really will not get into the England team as a frontline spinner
 
chacha kashmiri said:
Moeen did a Misbah yesterday, played valliantly right till the last over when he gave Anderson strike and didn't rally shephard the strike very well

Overall a dissapointing series from Moeen, didn't create history on the last day and so hasn't recieved any accolades for what was ultimately a dissapointing innings
His bowling was also not upto international class, really will not get into the England team as a frontline spinner
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For a guy playing only his second test, it was a great effort. He's received a lot of plaudits for his performances by everyone including Botham so I don't know what you're talking about. Just as good as any other spinner in England witht he exeption of Panesar.
 
The one criticism I can make of Moeen is that he could have tried to pinch the strike to take the last over.

Otherwise - good runs under pressure, crucial wickets - top man!
 
Legend. Saved himself from the chop too. Now I hope he hits at least a couple of more centuries against the parosee's. Would love to see that!
 
Robert said:
The one criticism I can make of Moeen is that he could have tried to pinch the strike to take the last over.

Otherwise - good runs under pressure, crucial wickets - top man!
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Yeah that's what I was bemused about. I never thought they'd let Jimmy take the final over, especially as SL were gonna throw everything at him. He did well for those 4 deliveries though, can't blame Anderson or Moeen, more so the idiots above them.
 
The final days play maybe saved his career for England, but I expect him to be dropped within the next two matches.
Alistair Cook didn't give him a fair go with the ball, at the right times.
If Cook is going to stay then Moeen will be dropped.
Seen similar situations in club cricket in England..........sad but true!
 
Robert said:
The one criticism I can make of Moeen is that he could have tried to pinch the strike to take the last over.

Otherwise - good runs under pressure, crucial wickets - top man!
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The feild was in which meant Moeen would have to play an aggresive stroke to get the ball over the sirlankans heads which could have resulted in a wicket, he could have attempted a risky single but with 1 wicket in hand it was not an option. In the last 10 overs i think Moeen and Anderson batted almost 5 overs each and at that point you'd think Moeen would have been pretty confident that Anderson would pull it off and he almost did.
 
Bilal7 said:
For a guy playing only his second test, it was a great effort. He's received a lot of plaudits for his performances by everyone including Botham so I don't know what you're talking about. Just as good as any other spinner in England witht he exeption of Panesar.
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He got one less wicket than herath on the pitch which shows how sub standard he is

After another test like the first one when he failed to get a fifty , he'l be dropped in the india series, i bet my life on it
 
chacha kashmiri said:
He got one less wicket than herath on the pitch which shows how sub standard he is

After another test like the first one when he failed to get a fifty , he'l be dropped in the india series, i bet my life on it
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Sorry but I can't make out if you're being sarcastic or not. Whatever it is, England would be foolish to drop him.
 
I am sure its not sarcastic, if he doesn't get a fifty or wickets he won't get an equal chance as others in the team.
He will be dropped by the third test match.

The last days play earned him a reprieve considering the match situation and pressure I hope he is given the whole
Indian series to prove if he has it or not! btw his bowling is lot better then people said it was!
 
Cricketrenew said:
I am sure its not sarcastic, if he doesn't get a fifty or wickets he won't get an equal chance as others in the team.
He will be dropped by the third test match.

The last days play earned him a reprieve considering the match situation and pressure I hope he is given the whole
Indian series to prove if he has it or not! btw his bowling is lot better then people said it was!
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yup. the chances he gets depends on him getting more big scores. he will not get the same chance as a Root or bell. or colingwood when he first started. If he fails in the first two innings against India he will be dropped! The racist right wing media will be baying for his blood. this innings has just kept them at bay. they had to give praise through gritted teeth at times it seems.

I hope Moeen bludgeons the Indians. I really do! and he needs to!
 
GK,

Ramps played in fifty tests despite averaging 28. Nasser went through some lean patches without being dropped, and was skipper for forty tests.

I would argue that no other British Asian player until Moeen was good enough. Solanki was too loose, Owais was a weak fielder who kept causing runs outs, Sandwich Fatel was not fit enough.
 
^ Sad if thats true.The English need people from all communities stepping up more than ever. The way the commies were oogling over his batting makes me think he'll get equal chances though.
 
Played a disgraceful shot to get out 1st inns in leeds but had enough guts and heart to learn from mistake and score a real good hundred in 2nd inns, if he can curb his over aggresive instincts at times he can sucseed at the highest level.
 
Brown people will need to work twice as harder then the white folk in England to make it, Moeen will need to do the same. He is a talent though and what a veteran like knock from a rookie, i'd hope England would persist with him given that they are in the rebuilding phase.
 
Cricketrenew said:
I am sure its not sarcastic, if he doesn't get a fifty or wickets he won't get an equal chance as others in the team.
He will be dropped by the third test match.

The last days play earned him a reprieve considering the match situation and pressure I hope he is given the whole
Indian series to prove if he has it or not! btw his bowling is lot better then people said it was!
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Not sure he fits into the team,

Ultimately i can't see him as a long term fixture in the England test team
 
Bilal7 said:
^ Sad if thats true.The English need people from all communities stepping up more than ever. The way the commies were oogling over his batting makes me think he'll get equal chances though.
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I think he is nailed on for the India series. Whether he goes on tour is a question of what he does in the next five tests. But I think we will see him facing up to the Aussies next English summer.
 
Can't see him getting the same chances as given to Hick, Bell in the past.
hopefully he won't need the chances and will take five wickets or get a hundred.

As far as the communities question goes, at club level, the same opportunities don't exist.
A similar situation happened for England, Cook didn't bowl Moeen even when he had run all the seamers into the
ground and was desperate. Even when he got the ball, it felt as he was going to take him off
at any moment what kind of chance is that!
 
Robert said:
I think he is nailed on for the India series. Whether he goes on tour is a question of what he does in the next five tests. But I think we will see him facing up to the Aussies next English summer.
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Hope you're right, sir. If he plays, I'll support England this time. :)

Cricketrenew said:
Can't see him getting the same chances as given to Hick, Bell in the past.
hopefully he won't need the chances and will take five wickets or get a hundred.

As far as the communities question goes, at club level, the same opportunities don't exist.
A similar situation happened for England, Cook didn't bowl Moeen even when he had run all the seamers into the
ground and was desperate. Even when he got the ball, it felt as he was going to take him off
at any moment what kind of chance is that!
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To be fair, Moeen hasn't shown if he's a top quality spinner at the international level. Cook was probably trying to protect the newbie against a Lankan side who he thought would go after him. Moeen did show his class with two good wickets though but the jury is still out.

Cook doesn't come across someone who wouldn't give his players an equal opportunity, its just his defensive nature that gets him stick for every decision.
 
Cook not knowing how to bowl Moeen is not a race issue; Cook doesn't know how to bowl any spinner. Yet another symptom of Alastair's stone-uselessness I'm afraid.

Moeen has had a strong start to his England career, on the back of that quality hundred he deserves the rest of this summer to further prove his credentials.
 
He'll easily score another ton or two against us, as will everybody else.
 
Bilal7 said:
Will he get wickets though? England need some wickets from him every now and then too.
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By the time he comes on we'd have been ripped apart by the seamers and well into the tail, so he won't have the opportunity to take wickets in the circumstances you may be referring to.
 
Varun said:
By the time he comes on we'd have been ripped apart by the seamers and well into the tail, so he won't have the opportunity to take wickets in the circumstances you may be referring to.
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I'm sure it won't be the slaughterfest that you're expecting. India will compete well and win atleast one test.
 
Got whacked today, 0/50 after 9.

Let's see if he comes back stronger for it in the latter half of the test.
 
I'm wary of him because he did well against Sri Lanka, and England think he's good enough for him to be the sole spinner in the side.
 
Expecting him to nip a couple of wickets just like he did against Lanka. Although he needs to focus more on keeping it tight than going for wickets, methinks.
 
114.3
Ali to Jadeja, SIX, pick that out! Tossed up and mullered back down the ground, straight and long and all the way for six

114.5
Ali to Jadeja, SIX, tossed up, nice and juicy and again dispatched with aplomb beyond the boundary ropes, got his front foot out and hit clean through the line and down the ground

And yet our overall runrate is only 2.87.
 
the Great Khan said:
they'll also use this excuse to drop him. Typical public school boy mentality.
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If he performs with the bat they have no grounds to drop him. He is a part timer bowling against the best players of spin in the world on a flat pitch
 
the Great Khan said:
they'll also use this excuse to drop him. Typical public school boy mentality.
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Well if they think he doesn't fit into the top 6 purely as a batsman, then they will have to drop him, won't they?

Its clear that he is not a guy who can hold up an end for 20 overs in the day with the ball, and England erred in assuming that is the case.

They have to get a spinner in the side to at least take some of the workload off the quicks. Moeen got a hundred in the last game, so is well placed to keep his place as a batsman. However, if they want to go with the 5 bowlers, with Stokes in as an all rounder, its a toss up between Ballance, Root, and Moeen to stay in the side.

By shying towards the victim mentality where you think that they are looking to drop Moeen at every instance, you do a disservice to England and the ECB - all they are doing is picking the best XI for the country, and I can see where they may feel that Moeen doesn't quite fit in. Its not as if he is undroppable.
 
He's out with the bat now. England in a spot of bother and wouldn't mind another ton from him.
 
Whether he goes on to make loads of runs and enjoy a long Test career who knows, but regardless of that, he really is a gorgeous player to watch.
 
Weird dismissal against the short one then, out for 14.
 
Looked good but very unlucky with that dismissal, unless Indian bowlers let England off the hook they should win this test as Jadeja is gonna get very hard to play in 4th innings.
 
I really don't care if he doesn't score any runs, keep him in the team for those two drives.
 
Was unlucky today, the short ball didn't climb. Looks good with bat in hand.
 
Moeen looks a better spinner then Jadeja, Unless he does something next innings he will be dropped!
 
India have better players of spin.....India must have better spinners that they can select.
Moeen looks better as a wicket taker, Jadeja has more control but not threatening
 
Cricketrenew said:
India have better players of spin.....India must have better spinners that they can select.
Moeen looks better as a wicket taker, Jadeja has more control but not threatening
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Moeen is still average as a test class spinner. Jadeja isnt a world beater but is much better than Moeen
 
Varun said:
No he doesn't. Jadeja was going at 1.80 runs an over, Moeen at close to 6.
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In his defence, Moeen was bowling against the Indian batting line-up. Not that I think he's as good as Jadeja.

Failed with the ball and failed with the bat (even if he was unlucky). Needs a much better performance in teh second half of this test and might have to play a match-saving innings once more.
 
Moeens place is under threat its a shootout between him and Stokes for a place if Jordan gets the nod to come back in for Lords. You cant bowl part time pie chuckers to Indian batsman they will get destroyed
 
If Moeen's place is under threat as I think it is.....good to see he got a fair chance!!!
Jadeja bowled into the rough against left handers!!! I was expecting him to cause some problems.
Maybe in the second innings he will do better. Moeen needs a proper 15 over spell before he can be written off.
He needs a more attacking field also.
 
Cricketrenew said:
If Moeen's place is under threat as I think it is.....good to see he got a fair chance!!!
Jadeja bowled into the rough against left handers!!! I was expecting him to cause some problems.
Maybe in the second innings he will do better. Moeen needs a proper 15 over spell before he can be written off.
He needs a more attacking field also.
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Moeen will get smashed Indians are great players of spin. Bowlers like Moeen probably wouldnt make most Ranji Teams first XI. Against teams who are weak against spin he could do a decent job but against the Indians he will struggle.
 
Adil_94 said:
Moeen will get smashed Indians are great players of spin. Bowlers like Moeen probably wouldnt make most Ranji Teams first XI. Against teams who are weak against spin he could do a decent job but against the Indians he will struggle.
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That doesn't explain how he did well against Lanka.
 
Should be in the team for his batting and in his proper position at 3.


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I don't see a place for him in the test team his bowling just doesn't cut the grade at test level.


should be a shoe in the odis and t20's where he would be a proper allrounder, someone who can bat at number 3 or open and bowl 10 overs of spin or 4 in t20.
 
Why or Why did India leave Ashwin on the bench!!! Cannot understand why Binny and Jadeja got in before Ashwin.
Moeen deserves a proper chance a series where he can have long bowl not a few overs here or there.......
Four seamers is enough. Maybe Cook should be dropped
 
Adil_94 said:
Moeens place is under threat its a shootout between him and Stokes for a place if Jordan gets the nod to come back in for Lords. You cant bowl part time pie chuckers to Indian batsman they will get destroyed
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Moeen has been found out this match

England need to get some steady batters in there and Moeen needs to go back to playing for Worcestershire
 
chacha kashmiri said:
Moeen has been found out this match

England need to get some steady batters in there and Moeen needs to go back to playing for Worcestershire
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Moeen should be a shoe in for the LOI teams his bowling will be useful there. Hes unfortunate hes come in a team which has no frontline spinner he shouldnt really be englands frontline test spinner.
 
Feel like punching Dhawan to have got out to him.

Full toss? Really?

Pujara restored sanity.

This pitch has nothing for spinners (atleast as of now) and Dhawan who was looking good gets out.

:facepalm:
 
Got Dhawan's wicket in that little 'trick' over but got smacked for 12 in the remaining five balls as well.
 
Adil_94 said:
Moeen should be a shoe in for the LOI teams his bowling will be useful there. Hes unfortunate hes come in a team which has no frontline spinner he shouldnt really be englands frontline test spinner.
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The team is really unbalanced with Moeen in it, someone who can move the ball will give the team a lift when trying to get this India team out
 
chacha kashmiri said:
The team is really unbalanced with Moeen in it, someone who can move the ball will give the team a lift when trying to get this India team out
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Yeah Moeen cant even really contain the scoring. Indians are smashing him out of the attack.
 
Well he does get wickets because teams attack him but England would take them any which way. Don't think any other #6 player in England has a combined worth greater than Moeen's so I don't know what people are talking about.

I want then to get a frontline spinner too but inplace for one of the pacers. 3 seamers are more than enough in England especially when you'll also have a regular spinner and a part-timer to block and end and break partnerships respectively.
 
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