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Mohammad Abbas is yet to perform against top opposition!

I believe he is a lot older than 29 and we selected him at the end of the last purple patch of his career. He looks finished to me.
 
Can we all please acknowledge the ppers that have consistently argued he is an average uk type seamer. Doesn’t have any tricks up his sleeve no speed no outswinger and not even that metronomic.

We were right to bench him for Brisbane.
 
Buffet said:
To be honest, getting among top rank is very good, but being there for a long period is far more difficult. If he performs even remotely close to what he has done in his first 10 test, then he will stay near top for a long period. You are pretty sure that he will keep doing what he is doing, and many other posters are not too sure about. Let's see where he stands after 2-3 years.

Not too long ago, many posters in PP used to argue that Ali is the best ODI bowler because he got to rank 1 quickly. Now he is at rank 8. Example is not to show that Ali is a poor ODI bowler, but it's very hard to remain at top and if you can remain at top for a long period then you belong in elite category. It's early days for Ali and he has time.

You are convinced that Abbas belongs to that category. Many international players also think the same so you are not alone, but many want to see more than 10 tests to come to that conclusion. It's just difference in opinion and we are always going to have that.

I will not put him anywhere close to Steyn based on 10 tests. Let's see if I am am proven wrong or right in coming years.
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Good post , and good thread by [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] as well,
It is always better to be cautious till one complete tour is done..

But if we are cautious we become too politically correct and not exciting :P
 
Abid Z said:
Can we all please acknowledge the ppers that have consistently argued he is an average uk type seamer. Doesn’t have any tricks up his sleeve no speed no outswinger and not even that metronomic.

We were right to bench him for Brisbane.
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Brother, that isn't true at all. PPers made him a hero, the next coming of McGrath when he was benched for the 1st Test.

Read the meltdown here: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ohammad-Abbas-for-the-first-Test-vs-Australia

JaDed said:
Good post , and good thread by [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] as well,
It is always better to be cautious till one complete tour is done..

But if we are cautious we become too politically correct and not exciting :P
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Thank you [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] brother. :najam

My opinion was based on some red flags: no pace, moving the ball off the seam only on a rough pitch.

Knew he wouldn't last.
 
Looking good in this game but guess the question in the title of this thread remains.
 
Doing a brilliant job Abbas - his figures today (so far) are brilliant - so economical.
 
Noticing some changes in his bowling. Moves it away from the RHB more often. But I think his partnership with shaheen is fantastic. Pressure from both ends which is what pays dividends.
 
17 overs for 19 runs and 2 wickets - incredible!
 
He is on his last legs. The upcoming overseas cycle will end his and Yasir’s career.
 
^^ I must have missed Abbas going at over 5 RPO.

You need a seamer like Abbas in conditions like England, New Zealand, West Indies and anywhere with a bit of lateral movement on offer.

On flat, true pitches he is limited, but his accurate right arm medium pace is a decent foil to young Shaheen and Naseem.
 
Abbas will do very well in New Zealand later this year , he's the right type of bowler. As long as Yasir is dropped and we play a finger spinner in New Zealand, I think we can compete well.
 
The good thing about today is that whoever fails with the bat is on their last legs with yasir, to be replaced by faheem and shadab for the England games
They will be entering the last chance saloon
 
30 years old today!

Big series in England coming for him after Bangladesh Test
 
Former South Africa captain Shaun Pollock on ICC Show, speaking about Abbas:

“At 125-130 [kph] he has shown great control. Maybe just the fear factor is not quite there as compared to some of the other top performers. Perhaps that is why he has not got the accolades he deserves"

“But after 40 Test matches, if he still averaging the same, people would start recognizing him"

“When he came to South Africa I was very excited because he had 36 wickets in just 5 Tests. Unfortunately he was injured and did not really hit his straps as well as he could but you can’t argue with the facts and figures although you do have to sustain it over a period of time"

Former New Zealand pacer Simon Doull

“I also think he lacks support from the other end which makes his record even better"

“If he had someone like Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis bowling with him, it would have been such a great combination.”

“He [Abbas] is a terrific bowler. It’s a very short career so far which it is hard to put him in the top echelon of fast-bowlers"

“He is a bit like Vernon Philander when you look at the line and the length and just nibbles the ball around both ways.”

“Especially on the sub-continent wickets, which are flat and slow, those sort of bowlers are gold"
 
He hasn't looked the same bowler since the injury in 2018
 
Hyperion66 said:
What a thread by [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION]

Considering the timing of this thread when Abbas was actually looking like a world beater is particularly impressive.
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Hawkeye said:
Thank you. :najam

The mass wrist slitting that happened here when Abbas didn't play the 1st Test, you'd think we made a blunder by benching him.

It was, in fact, a favor to Abbas. Turned him into a McGrath overnight among the average PPer.
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Nobody hyped him, OP's making stuff up as usual.
 
Mohammad Abbas 4/28 today in Round 3 of QEA for SP in their game against KP
 
Southern Punjab captain Hussain Talat’s decision to not to opt for the toss and elect to bowl paid dividends as Test pacer Mohammad Abbas took four wickets against Khyber Pakhtunkhwa at the National Bank Sports Complex.

The right-arm pacer helped his team pocket two bonus points as Khyber Pakthunkhwa finished the day on 261 for six in 93 overs.

Abbas’ four wickets included Israrullah (14), Ashfaq Ahmed (11), Kamran Ghulam (64) and Zohaib Khan (23). The 30-year-old accounted for Israrullah and Ashfaq Ahmed in the morning session as Khyber Pakhtunkhwa lost their two wickets for 36.
 
MenInG said:
Mohammad Abbas ends up on 6/33 today
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QeA, Round 3, Day 2:

Earlier, Mohammad Abbas, who took four wickets on the opening day of the match, picked up two wickets to register his first-class career’s 35th five-wicket haul. The Test fast-bowler returned six for 33.
 
Mohammed Abbas takes a 10-fer! 6/33 in the first innings, 4/39 in the second.
 
Firebat said:
Mohammed Abbas takes a 10-fer! 6/33 in the first innings, 4/39 in the second.
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From PCB match report:

The majority of the damage was done by Mohammad Abbas, who picked up four wickets for 39 runs to finish the match with 10 more wickets in his account.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Abbas just doing Mohammad Abbas things in the QeA Trophy for Southern Punjab versus Khyber Pakhtunkhwa:<br><br>20-7-33-6<br>14-4-39-4<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/QeaTrophy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#QeaTrophy</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1325465724895289346?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2020</a></blockquote>
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He needs to take wickets and his fielding has huge issues, not sure if he will improve at all?
 
Graeme smith made an interesting observation during the India-SA test series last year. He said that the Saffers always wanted Vernon Philander to operate at an average speed of 132 kph to be effective in all conditions and philander's was comfortably around 4-5 kph less than that mark. Mind you that's just to be effective on unhelpful surfaces with the likes of Morkel/Steyn/Rabada bowling with him. Abbas too has always been around the 79_
-80 mph range even back in 2018. He has a similar height and bowls similar lengths to philander and has a similar skillset. It's just the pace that's a little too slow. McGrath even in his last Ashes around 2007 was still bowling close to that 82 mph mark on average , was much taller and was well past it by then. These comparisons with McGrath for every line-length bowler need to stop. A post 2005 McGrath is probably better than the likes of vern, Abbas etc.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Graeme smith made an interesting observation during the India-SA test series last year. He said that the Saffers always wanted Vernon Philander to operate at an average speed of 132 kph to be effective in all conditions and philander's was comfortably around 4-5 kph less than that mark. Mind you that's just to be effective on unhelpful surfaces with the likes of Morkel/Steyn/Rabada bowling with him. Abbas too has always been around the 79_
-80 mph range even back in 2018. He has a similar height and bowls similar lengths to philander and has a similar skillset. It's just the pace that's a little too slow. McGrath even in his last Ashes around 2007 was still bowling close to that 82 mph mark on average , was much taller and was well past it by then. These comparisons with McGrath for every line-length bowler need to stop. A post 2005 McGrath is probably better than the likes of vern, Abbas etc.
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1) For most of his caeeer McGrath average 83-85mph

2) McGrath for most part intentionally bowled at lower pace in order to keep control on his swing and seam which were his main weapons

2) McGrath also bowled on the slower side purposely due to his height. A lot Of his wickets came from lbws and if he bowled any faster than 84-85mph with that height then the lbw would be taken out of play due to the deliveries going over the wicket.

In the past 15 years only Hazelwood and Asif are bowlers who I thought were similar to McGrath. To say Abbas is similar to him is hilarious.
 
He is bowling too slow, he has lost 5kph of pace since shoulder injury. Basically a nothing bowler, wouldn't even be picked for NZ D team but good enough for Pakistan.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Graeme smith made an interesting observation during the India-SA test series last year. He said that the Saffers always wanted Vernon Philander to operate at an average speed of 132 kph to be effective in all conditions and philander's was comfortably around 4-5 kph less than that mark. Mind you that's just to be effective on unhelpful surfaces with the likes of Morkel/Steyn/Rabada bowling with him. Abbas too has always been around the 79_
-80 mph range even back in 2018. He has a similar height and bowls similar lengths to philander and has a similar skillset. It's just the pace that's a little too slow. McGrath even in his last Ashes around 2007 was still bowling close to that 82 mph mark on average , was much taller and was well past it by then. These comparisons with McGrath for every line-length bowler need to stop. A post 2005 McGrath is probably better than the likes of vern, Abbas etc.
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SA had the keeper standing up to Philander when the opposition batsmen batted outside the crease to him. Philander also could move the ball both ways whereas Abbas gets very one dimensional with his gun barrel straight at the stumps bowling
 
He's lost lots of pace. I remember when he first came into the team against the Windies in 2017, majority of his deliveries were in the low 130s. I remember seeing him go up to 137 a couple of times too.

Nowadays he's bowling as slow as 120 kph. Didn't see him get over 130 today.
 
...and

HE NEVER WILL.

Never had it in him to bowl decent against any half decent opposition.

Sure will sometimes run through 3rd rate domestic lineups or on club teams on green mambas.

But.. he's basically a spin bowler where the ball doesn't actually spin and has that pace.
 
He must be around 34-35. The way his pace has gone down over the last couple of years suggests an age-related decline.

He has been toothless since the NZ series in UAE 2 years ago. After running through Australia, people expected him to do the same against NZ but they worked him out really nicely.

He has turned into a medium pace version of Zulfiqar Babar. He bowls long, economical spells but doesn’t take enough wickets to be a potent bowler.

Unless he can get quicker which I don’t think he can at this stage, it would be better to move on from him after this series.
 
Another issue is that these guys are so lazy. They just don't work on their fitness or desire to improve. In Pakistan there is a culture of 'munji thorna' or 'roti thorna' while somebody else picks up the slack.

Sadly this is resonating to our cricketers as well.
 
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