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In PSL (2023/24), he played 122 games and took 19 wickets with an economy of just over 8 but he could not get a chance after. Then he played BPL 2 games only and got 6 wickets there with economy of just 7.5

This is his overall record so far in t20 games:
  • Matches Played: 33
  • Runs Conceded: 728
  • Wickets Taken: 58
  • Best Bowling in an Innings: 5/24
  • Average: 15.56
  • Economy Rate: 7.44
  • Strike Rate: 12.5
  • 4-Wicket Hauls: 3
  • 5-Wicket Hauls: 1
Today he made his debut for Pakistan in the first T20I game against New Zealand and his figures were 3 overs, 25 runs conceded, and no wicket.

I hope he comes well because the over-hyped trio of Shaheen, Naseem and Haris have been poor for years now failing to win any tournament for Pakistan and we have to move on now.
 
Hasn't been impressive so far in his 2 outings. Will give him full series though
 
I think he’s more useful as a test bowler to do some donkey work and supported by some pacier bowlers

No need for him in white ball
 
Daisy unplayable against Pakistan and Bangladesh batters but not an international bowler against all others
 
TheSultan said:
I think he’s more useful as a test bowler to do some donkey work and supported by some pacier bowlers

No need for him in white ball
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Unfortunately we don't have any pacier bowlers willing to play test cricket so he will fronting the attack.


So far he has been poor in white ball but two matches isnt a lot. Hopefully he can come good soon.
 
TheSultan said:
I think he’s more useful as a test bowler to do some donkey work and supported by some pacier bowlers

No need for him in white ball
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Nah he’s rubbish in tests also his follow up spell to Hamza and Khurram at 26/6 was sad to watch
 
One of the worst ever cricketers to represent Pakistan.

We used to think Rana Naveed and Rao Iftikhar used to be mediocre because of standards set by Imran,Waseem, Waqar and Shoaib. Those two were Malcom Marshall level in comparison to current fast bowlers.

Truly sad to watch
 
shah_1 said:
One of the worst ever cricketers to represent Pakistan.

We used to think Rana Naveed and Rao Iftikhar used to be mediocre because of standards set by Imran,Waseem, Waqar and Shoaib. Those are two are Malcom Marshall in comparison to current fast bowlers.

Truly sad to watch
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His head and face looks like Rana Naved. Is he related?
 
Have a feeling he is too old.

He looked so labourered and lacking in rhythm, it looked like he would fall apart any time.

Looked like a retirement league player sadly in these 2 matches.
 
As a player, he is limited in bowling, he is terrible at batting & fielding.

But a couple of years ago, he was one of the best bowlers to come through the domestic circuit.

However, you could say he hasn't gotten enough sample in white ball cricket for Pakistan.
 
So far, he has been a disappointment in t20 cricket...Today in the fifth t20 game, his first 2 overs went for 27 runs...
 
I don't understand his inclusion in the ODI team tbh. He lacks pace and doesn't have any variation to take wickets in the longer format so I think playing him would be a total waste of resources.

Faheem Ashraf would have been a better option compared to him because of his batting.
 
Even though he clocks decent on the speed gun and can swing the ball both ways but he is way too slow off the pitch to trouble international batters even on a fast bouncy pitch , this should be his last game for Pak.

But the problem is that Abbas and Jahandad are even slower than him off the pitch and can’t swing or seam the ball like him as well lol.

Ali Raza and Ubaid Shah are definitely better option as they can move the ball and got that zip off the surface as well.
 
Xoib said:
This middle age uncle has some serious parchi
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We certainly have 5/6 better bowlers who played this season in different formats.

He got in to the team because our most domestic batters can’t play moving ball at 135k+ and he got loads of wickets doing the same thing again and again but sadly this will not work for him in international cricket without the zip off the surface.
 
Awais Anwar can do the same thing Ali can but with extra 5k of pace and he got that zip off the surface too. A like to like replacement which is much better.
 
This really shows that selectors have no clue in differentiating an only good for domestic bowler and International potential bowler, may be they don’t bother looking at the bowler and just relying on stats.
 
He’s a fantastic test bowler. Perhaps Odi also but definitely not a t20 bowler.

For longer spells he can bowl with good control and maintain a tight line and length. As he’s relatively new he’s letting the captain do all the thinking for him but once he becomes a thinking bowler (a rarity in Pakistan) he will be quite impactful. Deserves the NZ series to really test him as nobody can get wickets on that Pindi pitch.

I think his pairing with Akif will be quite good
 
He bowls like a desi uncle in his late 50's playing with his kids and grand kids after several decades
 
Vikram1989 said:
He bowls like a desi uncle in his late 50's playing with his kids and grand kids after several decades
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He bowls like rao iftakhar, shahid nazir, rana naveed. Occasionally they were more effective in wins than shohaib akhtar or Sami. Be patient it’s not like there’s an army of bowlers ready to take a spot.
 
Abid Z said:
He bowls like rao iftakhar, shahid nazir, rana naveed. Occasionally they were more effective in wins than shohaib akhtar or Sami. Be patient it’s not like there’s an army of bowlers ready to take a spot.
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M ali isn't fit to tie the shoe laces of those 3 .

He's a club level , whilst those 3 were professional level bowlers and rana was intl level.
 
Abid Z said:
He’s a fantastic test bowler. Perhaps Odi also but definitely not a t20 bowler.

For longer spells he can bowl with good control and maintain a tight line and length. As he’s relatively new he’s letting the captain do all the thinking for him but once he becomes a thinking bowler (a rarity in Pakistan) he will be quite impactful. Deserves the NZ series to really test him as nobody can get wickets on that Pindi pitch.

I think his pairing with Akif will be quite good
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His test record is surely fantastic for opposition
 
mazkhan said:
M ali isn't fit to tie the shoe laces of those 3 .

He's a club level , whilst those 3 were professional level bowlers and rana was intl level.
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Ok. What one wouldn’t give right now to have rao iftakhar, imran farhat heck even Faisal Iqbal in the team. When I look at the current lot I feel like crying but beggars can’t be choosers.

M.ali is a fantastic bowler. He’s unfortunately played 2 tests in pindi and in both of those awful matches he was our most economical seamer. We have a habit of playing the wrong bowlers on the wrong grounds. Let him play a few more matches and watch. He needs to compete with abbass for the line and length bowlers spot in tests.
 
Abid Z said:
You have to discount pindi pitch.
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He’s played 4 tests already and not all Pindi pitches are bad I remember him following up Hamza and Khurram after BD was reduced 26/6 and ended bowling a pathetic pressure releasing spell on a pretty spicy pitch
 
Despite his domestic & PSL numbers, I really don't see the appeal personally.

Yes he hits the length hard but to me, he looks below average.
 
He is a consistent line & lenght bowler. Should have never been selected for T20I's.
He can be tested a few games in ODI's and should be given a good run in Test. I think these kind of bowlers can be pretty effective on the slow and low pitches we have recently made.
 
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Xoib said:
He’s played 4 tests already and not all Pindi pitches are bad I remember him following up Hamza and Khurram after BD was reduced 26/6 and ended bowling a pathetic pressure releasing spell on a pretty spicy pitch
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Maybe. But the sad fact is out of his 4 matches 3 have been in Pindi and 1 in Multan. All the bowlers went for plenty. Pindi pitch over the last 3 years or so has been a graveyard. Not really fair to judge a bowler on that.

He’s a line and length test bowler. Let’s see how he does in slightly more helpful conditions over about 10 tests or so then we can say. You can just keep on discarding bowlers after 5 or 6 matches. Once selected they deserve a bit of a run.
 
Abid Z said:
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Maybe. But the sad fact is out of his 4 matches 3 have been in Pindi and 1 in Multan. All the bowlers went for plenty. Pindi pitch over the last 3 years or so has been a graveyard. Not really fair to judge a bowler on that.

He’s a line and length test bowler. Let’s see how he does in slightly more helpful conditions over about 10 tests or so then we can say. You can just keep on discarding bowlers after 5 or 6 matches. Once selected they deserve a bit of a run.
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We don’t play enough tests firstly to give someone 10 tests especially someone who is 34-35 and his no visible skill with the ball
 
Abid Z said:
He bowls like rao iftakhar, shahid nazir, rana naveed. Occasionally they were more effective in wins than shohaib akhtar or Sami. Be patient it’s not like there’s an army of bowlers ready to take a spot.
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But i will like an youngster even though he is not youngster will serve pak for longer and he has much more time for improvement
 
Vikram1989 said:
But i will like an youngster even though he is not youngster will serve pak for longer and he has much more time for improvement
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But they don’t improve. Only Pak youngsters regress for a variety of reasons over the initial 5 years of their international debut. M.Amir, SSA, NASEEM, Rauf, SHADAB, there is not one bowler produced in the last 20 years who is international level and can sustain his careeer over a number of years and can take 200+ wickets. Pak just can’t develop players period.

No youngster IS THERE!! I know you might have hopes for Abbas afridi, jahandad etc
 
Xoib said:
We don’t play enough tests firstly to give someone 10 tests especially someone who is 34-35 and his no visible skill with the ball
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Then you will see less of him and can be happy. He lands it on a penny and moves it both ways. That’s enough for now. None of our current bowlers , SSA, Naseem, RAUF, husnain, Khurram etc have these prerequisites plus fitness for tests. Might as well stick with M.Ali until genuine seamers can be identified and developed. It takes many years to develop a good pacer. Asif was playing for years before he debuted against Australia in 2004 and taken to the cleaners on helpful tracks but reemerged years later as a better bowler.

A bowler can’t be judged on a poor debut. Need 10 tests to properly assess. From 10-20 tests they either succeed or flop.
 
mazkhan said:
M ali isn't fit to tie the shoe laces of those 3 .

He's a club level , whilst those 3 were professional level bowlers and rana was intl level.
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Rana was an international level bowler with an average of 58 from 9 matches.

Rao only played 1 or 2 tests.

Shahid nazir played 15 tests with an average of 35 and that too with some very helpful conditions in South Africa and England.

The point being M.Ali is exactly this type of bowler. Very unglamorous line and length bowler picking up no more than 2-3 wickets in an innings. This is a typical subcontinental bowler where the likes of an express bowler like Shohaib (who also happens to have a good strike rate) and Asif are once in a generation bowlers. You can’t expect that all the time.

Every subcontinental team has their own MA. There no shame in being a work horse but they need a really good spinner or strike bowler in the lineup.
 
Abid Z said:
Then you will see less of him and can be happy. He lands it on a penny and moves it both ways. That’s enough for now. None of our current bowlers , SSA, Naseem, RAUF, husnain, Khurram etc have these prerequisites plus fitness for tests. Might as well stick with M.Ali until genuine seamers can be identified and developed. It takes many years to develop a good pacer. Asif was playing for years before he debuted against Australia in 2004 and taken to the cleaners on helpful tracks but reemerged years later as a better bowler.

A bowler can’t be judged on a poor debut. Need 10 tests to properly assess. From 10-20 tests they either succeed or flop.
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Don’t peddle this BS that he’s some kind of line and length merchant these type of bowlers don’t have ER of 3.9 in test cricket even in FC level he’s not run stopper with ER of 3.21 which shows he’s not very accurate also don’t built this narrative that he’s a work horse in mould of Peter Siddle or Matthew Hoggard he averages less then 15 overs an innings and he has bowled in some big innings where opposition has scored 500/600 plus.

He has neither pace, movement , accuracy or stamina and on top of that he’s most likely 35-36 easily one of the worst selections we have made in recent years and that is not easy to achieve
 
Xoib said:
Don’t peddle this BS that he’s some kind of line and length merchant these type of bowlers don’t have ER of 3.9 in test cricket even in FC level he’s not run stopper with ER of 3.21 which shows he’s not very accurate also don’t built this narrative that he’s a work horse in mould of Peter Siddle or Matthew Hoggard he averages less then 15 overs an innings and he has bowled in some big innings where opposition has scored 500/600 plus.

He has neither pace, movement , accuracy or stamina and on top of that he’s most likely 35-36 easily one of the worst selections we have made in recent years and that is not easy to achieve
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Ok. No point in discussing with uncivilised people who can’t reason.
He played in Pindi. PINDI!! The deadest pitch in the world.

He’s played only 4 tests. 3 in Pindi and 4th in Multan. The second worst pitch in the world.

Just compare Rana naveed stats. In the first 4 -5 matches RANA played against India and West Indies his average was over 100.

Ali may turn out to be a discard but 4 tests is too soon to judge.
 
Xoib said:
Don’t peddle this BS that he’s some kind of line and length merchant these type of bowlers don’t have ER of 3.9 in test cricket even in FC level he’s not run stopper with ER of 3.21 which shows he’s not very accurate also don’t built this narrative that he’s a work horse in mould of Peter Siddle or Matthew Hoggard he averages less then 15 overs an innings and he has bowled in some big innings where opposition has scored 500/600 plus.

He has neither pace, movement , accuracy or stamina and on top of that he’s most likely 35-36 easily one of the worst selections we have made in recent years and that is not easy to achieve
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He is a nothing bnowler.
Wasim jr should replace him in next game.
 
Abid Z said:
Ok. No point in discussing with uncivilised people who can’t reason.
He played in Pindi. PINDI!! The deadest pitch in the world.

He’s played only 4 tests. 3 in Pindi and 4th in Multan. The second worst pitch in the world.

Just compare Rana naveed stats. In the first 4 -5 matches RANA played against India and West Indies his average was over 100.

Ali may turn out to be a discard but 4 tests is too soon to judge.
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Are you a member of his family? You seem very determined to defend a very average bowler with no discernible ability. He will probably get a few more international games, achieve nothing and disappear back to domestic cricket.
 
Abid Z said:
Ok. No point in discussing with uncivilised people who can’t reason.
He played in Pindi. PINDI!! The deadest pitch in the world.

He’s played only 4 tests. 3 in Pindi and 4th in Multan. The second worst pitch in the world.

Just compare Rana naveed stats. In the first 4 -5 matches RANA played against India and West Indies his average was over 100.

Ali may turn out to be a discard but 4 tests is too soon to judge.
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Yes on those same Pindi pitches Pakistan gave away all 60 wickets in those 3 three tests and why compare with Rana Naveed who himself was a a rubbish red ball bowler

I have used stats to prove this guy is useless be it as a wicket taker or a run stopper or long spell merchant your only defence of him is Pindi
 
He is decent with the new ball. Gets that away movement against right handers and is relatively accurate. Bowls good yorkers as well.
 
Xoib said:
Yes on those same Pindi pitches Pakistan gave away all 60 wickets in those 3 three tests and why compare with Rana Naveed who himself was a a rubbish red ball bowler

I have used stats to prove this guy is useless be it as a wicket taker or a run stopper or long spell merchant your only defence of him is Pindi
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Xoib said:
Yes on those same Pindi pitches Pakistan gave away all 60 wickets in those 3 three tests and why compare with Rana Naveed who himself was a a rubbish red ball bowler

I have used stats to prove this guy is useless be it as a wicket taker or a run stopper or long spell merchant your only defence of him is Pindi
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Yes you are right. He’s rubbish. And you can judge this after 4 matches in Pakistan. Well done.

our awful batsmen can collapse from any position anywhere.

Thank you for saying Rana is rubbish too. That is exactly the point. Bowlers like Rana , shahid nazir, Mohammed Ali, rao iftakhar are typical subcontinental line and length bowlers. They will always appear awful to people brought up on a diet of w’s and Shohaib’s not realising there his always an aqib or a Mohammed akram on the sidelines who must also bowl 20 overs in a test.
 
Shaka81 said:
Are you a member of his family? You seem very determined to defend a very average bowler with no discernible ability. He will probably get a few more international games, achieve nothing and disappear back to domestic cricket.
Shaka81 said:
Are you a member of his family? You seem very determined to defend a very average bowler with no discernible ability. He will probably get a few more international games, achieve nothing and disappear back to domestic cricket.
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Shaka81 said:
Are you a member of his family? You seem very determined to defend a very average bowler with no discernible ability. He will probably get a few more international games, achieve nothing and disappear back to domestic cricket.
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🤐🤐 😂😂 this is exactly the kind of immature comment you find on these pages these days.

It’s very simple look at England , Australia even New Zealand. No sooner has a great bowler retired somebody else is ready to step up. Can you imagine boland and Green can’t even get a game.

Now look at our sorry stocks. Naseem Rauf and SSA are just awful. If they are not always unfit they are out of form. Khurram can not last a test and abbass is on his last legs. So where are the replacements?

This is not to support MAli but to see where the next bowlers are gonna come from given that they should definitely have at least 2-3 years of first class, have good control move the ball both ways and reasonable 130plus pace as a prerequisite.
 
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